Top 5 Epistemological Reasons the LDS Church is True (Hansen 5 Model)

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2 жыл бұрын

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Often belief gets panned by materialists and atheists (secular religious zealots) because "there's no proof" but, unfortunately for them, not only is there "proof" but there's a lot more of it for belief than non-belief. In this video we define epistemology, what it is, how it works, and warrior priest and philosopher Jacob Hanson of thoughtful-faith.com tells us why the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is True and how you can know it and why you should say it out loud! Cardon Ellis, Kwaku El, and Brad Witbeck join in.
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@dbat480
@dbat480 Жыл бұрын
My old bishop said once "if you want pure evidence that God lives, pray to him and ask him to humble you." Best advice I ever got
@Kleanex
@Kleanex 10 ай бұрын
Holy crap! Yeah idk if that’s good advice but yes that would for sure provide you a witness God is real haha.
@payaj2815
@payaj2815 9 ай бұрын
That is excellent advice.
@getharryonsax
@getharryonsax 7 ай бұрын
If something bad happens to you, it is evidence that god exists. Because you asked to be humbled. If you want evidence that God lives. Pray to him and ask him to make it rain. Eventually it will rain and prove god lives
@yeboscrebo4451
@yeboscrebo4451 7 ай бұрын
@@getharryonsaxexactly
@karylmorgan7320
@karylmorgan7320 3 ай бұрын
So true. Had a friend ask the Lord to humble him and it happened.
@izzieluv
@izzieluv 11 ай бұрын
I realized what I mean when I say, "I know the church is true," on my mission. When I say it I am saying this is the same church that Christ established on the earth restored to the earth again.
@jmhatutube
@jmhatutube 10 ай бұрын
Guys, this is one of the best. Pure knowledge proceeded forth! I just loved this one. I haven't wanted to part of a group of guys or a clique in a long time until y'all came along. I love the logical approach along with the spiritual. I've been talking to machines (computer programmer) for over thirty years so speaking in logical terms is important to me. For a long time I've seen the restored gospel as far more logical than anything else, but that understand took a while to fully process. I most certainly wasn't there when I was on my mission because it would have helped. Thanks again! I love the five witness concept!
@WARDRADIO
@WARDRADIO 10 ай бұрын
Yeah… it’s one of my favorites.
@ItsSnagret
@ItsSnagret 2 жыл бұрын
I think a beautiful aspect of LDS epistemology is that God is literally revealing Himself to you personally and He will reveal Himself to us in a way that is enough for us on an individual level. Some may have dreams, so may just feel peace, some may have words spoken to them, some may have burning bosoms or visceral experiences, etc. For me, God knew that I could never deny feeling and hearing the Spirit testify to me that the Book of Mormon is true - I cannot doubt it, it is written in my soul.
@CMZIEBARTH
@CMZIEBARTH 2 жыл бұрын
That is 100% precisely God's intent.
@ItsSnagret
@ItsSnagret Жыл бұрын
@@thebenplatt that’s a good point, and I think it’s worth more discussion. From a cultural perspective, this is probably less discussed because most assume the Bible is already true whereas the BoM the new guy on the block that needs testing. Additionally, the BoM is the keystone of the religion, in that if the BoM is true, we can also assume the Bible to be true, because the BoM testifies of the veracity of the Bible. And personally, I’ve had spiritual witnesses that all of the standard works, especially the Bible, are true. Hope that helps.
@dcarts5616
@dcarts5616 Жыл бұрын
God knows me too. I probably made Him worry due to how long in my youth I waited to pray about it. I am SO THANKFUL for the members of my ward who sacrificed their time, their efforts, their own ease of life, to try to be there for all of the youth of my ward. Their testimonies (evidenced by their efforts) helped a lot of us. I was almost 20, I cannot ignore what I was able to feel as it was like NOTHING I had ever experienced before. My doubts and worries and even dying faith in a God even existing, have always been overcome because of that spiritual experience I had as a 20 year old.
@chinchillax1483
@chinchillax1483 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your testimony really quick. Just typing one sentence can bring the testifying witness of the Spirit to even just one rando (me) on the internet as he or she scrolls through some comments on a KZfaq vid. Thanks for following the prompting to share your few and simple words
@pamelalane3001
@pamelalane3001 5 ай бұрын
​@@ItsSnagret😊
@StephenSmith-qc3xx
@StephenSmith-qc3xx 7 ай бұрын
I taught my course 10 sunday school kids this same thing today. The come follow me lesson this week was James 1:5 This scripture is a perfect example of this principle in action. It explains that you should trust your own experience and go to the source for enlightenment and intelligence. This action of seeking creates your spiritual inertia, God will create the fruit.
@Anti-Dentite907
@Anti-Dentite907 8 ай бұрын
First video of yours I have seen! Wonderful, engaging, faith promoting discussion. Subscribed and can’t wait to hear more.
@Leowinegar
@Leowinegar 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this episode, Jacob!
@TdaPIANO
@TdaPIANO 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Leo, I enjoyed your Never Ending Story reference in one of their other episodes. You really do bring a different life experience and personality to the program. I made my own response to this video. Do you feel like taking a look at the other side of this claim? If so check out my latest post.
@hispeedbullet2661
@hispeedbullet2661 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking these matters head-on and helping us all understand how we come to know Gospel truths
@GuyRicheyGibbons
@GuyRicheyGibbons 10 ай бұрын
Best WR so far imo. Really really good guys. Thank you. Lots to ponder about.
@iknovate
@iknovate 4 ай бұрын
Really great episode because Cardon was mostly quiet. More content, less noise, better episodes.
@BravyM9
@BravyM9 7 ай бұрын
This was amazing! All of you nailed it! I prayed for all four of you because l see as apostles of the Lord to the world. You are so bright and spiritually powerful.
@dianalupton5543
@dianalupton5543 2 ай бұрын
I know the church and the Gospel are true. I've never had to be convinced,it just burns in me EVEN when I was away from the church 30yrs. So glad your program is reaching so many. Think how many would "Know" if only to be taught 1x!!!
@harmonillustration
@harmonillustration 3 ай бұрын
This is the 3rd time I've listened to this episode. It's truly one of the best episodes. Just send every single Anti-Mormon, especially Evangelicals, to this episode. Super awesome!
@emilywilson9632
@emilywilson9632 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great episode. The best I've listened to. I was feeling sad and disheartened, it cheered me up and gave me a boost.
@amandaspencer4686
@amandaspencer4686 Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite video you have done. Love, love, love it. Thank you!
@CryptoCPA
@CryptoCPA 2 ай бұрын
This is own of those shows that drops so much knowledge you just got to watch it twice. Thanks Ward Radio and Jacob.
@payaj2815
@payaj2815 9 ай бұрын
This episode was just excellent! This is how I feel.
@nickhoward3040
@nickhoward3040 2 ай бұрын
All Christians should have this lesson about Epistemology.
@rsetina
@rsetina Ай бұрын
This is one of the best discussion I’ve heard from you brethren. It’s so packed with stuff to digest, think about, and learn, I need to watch it several times and take notes. Great job guys.
@lafeharris8471
@lafeharris8471 2 жыл бұрын
This episode was epic! Very few have come close to the value this one has. Thank you for standing at the forefront of the discussion and crying the truth from the rooftops!
@wayneorr6748
@wayneorr6748 3 ай бұрын
The Holy Ghost has pure knowledge and has testified this to me, that I will always treasure. Yes the restoration is true. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true and as a pure knowledge as that I live. That is one of of the Holy Ghosts mission. Carol
@Ancientrepentor
@Ancientrepentor Жыл бұрын
This is why I can’t deny that this Church is true because of that experience I had 42 years ago in Michigan because I know too much from my past!
@Muneca6575
@Muneca6575 5 ай бұрын
One of brother Joseph’s quotes was The Things Men Believe in are the Things They Do!!
@3-jalee
@3-jalee Жыл бұрын
This is an awesome one y'all did!! Thank you!! 🙏❤️⚘️
@raulofmustachio3d
@raulofmustachio3d 2 жыл бұрын
Yet another banger. Been waiting for one on this subject. Well done
@TheHappyNarwhals
@TheHappyNarwhals 2 жыл бұрын
Another great episode! Helpful ideas (going with sisters to a dude who rests on bibles authority) trying to get him to pray.
@realtomtomeny
@realtomtomeny 2 жыл бұрын
I am at a huge family reunion. I will do everything possible to get the whole family to watch this episode. This is surely your best work ever. I will also feature it on my story, which will soon be advertised on a billboard on southbound I-15 in American Fork. Every living person would benefit from this episode! You are the good and faithful servants.
@nathanaeltuft973
@nathanaeltuft973 Жыл бұрын
What is your billboard?
@angelalewis3645
@angelalewis3645 7 ай бұрын
This is AWESOME! I had no idea that all people (members of the LDS Church, other Christians, and all other people) didn’t already know this stuff. Mind blown.
@danielhickmott5800
@danielhickmott5800 3 ай бұрын
As an investigator of the Restored Gospel (47 yrs ago) I recognized James 1:5-6 and coupled it with 1 Thessalonians 5: 21 Prove (test) all things, hold fast that which is true. Sounds like the scientific method doesn’t it? 😮
@josephinerogers79
@josephinerogers79 11 ай бұрын
Best vid I've seen you guys do so far. And also one of the best I've seen anywhere.
@pesalefau7629
@pesalefau7629 8 ай бұрын
Awesome podcast god bless you gentlemen . I agree 1,000 % with everything y’all said.
@jasonsellers56
@jasonsellers56 4 ай бұрын
I've been jumping around through your episodes for a few weeks, watching different ones, and this one is my absolute favorite now. I can't even describe how important it is for everyone to understand this. Thank you so much for this discussion, and for explaining these 5 ways to ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ ̶ be confident of the truth of something. 🙏
@stevendorsey4882
@stevendorsey4882 6 ай бұрын
I have taken undergrad and graduate level philosophy courses on Epistemology. I have always subcribed to the theory that all begins with the Spirit (intuition) and other ways of knowing can help increase understanding of and conviction to that which the Spirit reveals. I enjoyed your discussion. Thank you for sharing your perspectives in a lively discussion.
@aathorpo
@aathorpo 2 жыл бұрын
Keep bringing Jacob!
@StevenMayberry
@StevenMayberry Жыл бұрын
That was a fantastic discussion!
@WARDRADIO
@WARDRADIO Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it :)
@gingermcgovern5682
@gingermcgovern5682 25 күн бұрын
Awesome! I love simple truths and wisdom discussed and presented to clearly logical that its depth of profoundness completely blows my mind!
@starbolt0636
@starbolt0636 2 жыл бұрын
10:18 5 witnesses. Intuition. Sensory data. Reason. Moral outcomes. Authority. For those who want a quick refresher.
@jonycruz2430
@jonycruz2430 2 жыл бұрын
God thank you!
@establishingzion688
@establishingzion688 Жыл бұрын
I came back just for this refresher, thank you!
@amh9641
@amh9641 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!! 🙏🏻
@angelalewis3645
@angelalewis3645 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@blessyoushortly3918
@blessyoushortly3918 3 ай бұрын
We LDS need to quit explaining ourselves trying to get to a more clearer point of how we know how things are true and whatnot... We just need to testify honestly and let the Holy Ghost do the rest. Many members sleep on the power of fasting unto the Lord. If we fast for 24 hours on a fast Sunday and dedicated unto the Lord and His gospel, we will get that Elder Bednar and Elder Holland power. If you're not good at fasting, get good at it and start teaching. You'll thank God that he inspired me to write this comment ✊
@ingramwifey2016
@ingramwifey2016 6 ай бұрын
I loved this discussion!! My baby has an ear infection. Thanks for helping me get through the late nights! ☺️
@WARDRADIO
@WARDRADIO 6 ай бұрын
You're a good mama. If it keeps recurring, then in a few years, check on adnoid removal.
@sendlazarus430
@sendlazarus430 Жыл бұрын
Gotta listen to than one again. Well done!
@jasonmears4393
@jasonmears4393 Жыл бұрын
I've always turned to Moroni 7: 11-18 (proper way to discern truth& error) to verify if something is true or not. In these verses, it mentions how we can have a PERFECT KNOWLEDGE TO THE TRUTH. There are not many if any times the scriptures teach, we can be perfect in something. But here, as we apply the formula in these scriptures, we can have perfect knowledge. Personal revelation wasn't addressed in this video, or at least I didn't think it was emphasized enough. Anyway, I love Moroni 7: 11-18. It makes it so simple, that even a child can understand and apply.
@paulcasini4759
@paulcasini4759 10 күн бұрын
MORONI IS NONSENSE HOW DUMB CAN ANYONE BE TO SWALLOW THIS NONSENSE JOE SMITH WAS A CONMAN END OF
@danascully7358
@danascully7358 2 жыл бұрын
Edit: This was a BRILLIANT conversation. Definitely your best. This explains why so many will be confused in the last days and will think the AC is actually Christ. Most Christians have put their faith in their pastors and not in Christ. They don't have the relationship with God. This whole conversation addresses so much of what is going on in our world and in churches. Kwaku's point about churches and God not having a gender and the current gender fight we are battling was nothing short of genius. Gimme more!!
@Nassaldromus
@Nassaldromus 3 ай бұрын
according to survey data, 99% of people love completing surveys. That bit was awesome!!!
@samuelmoon3051
@samuelmoon3051 9 ай бұрын
Before I was a member of the Church, i had a Bible once (I think an NIV) that said in the study notes that the “for” in Acts2:38 could mean “because of.” The author of that note was Dr Charles Ryrie, who certainly knows Greek, and knows that statement is incorrect (because of the case of the word that the “for” modifies.). But his denomination forced his interpretation in the wrong direction.
@anthonymagee5725
@anthonymagee5725 2 жыл бұрын
We need a part two to this.
@TdaPIANO
@TdaPIANO 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree. More study is required on this topic. I just put my own review of this together if you want to take a look?
@bondweaver7606
@bondweaver7606 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! Thank you gents!
@ksanofsky6
@ksanofsky6 3 ай бұрын
Elder Corbridge gave a great talk at a BYU devotional back in 2019. He discusses the 4 methods to know truth, they include scientific, analytical, academic, and divine methods....It's a great talk....highly recommend!
@Total_Freedom
@Total_Freedom 2 жыл бұрын
This is you guys at your best: scary smart and informed, logical, fun, entertaining, and intellectually diverse to a point that nobody watching this can simply dismiss you or The Church. Thanks for an amazing and faith promoting episode!
@williamcharles2117
@williamcharles2117 2 жыл бұрын
I dismiss them and the church.
@krismurphy7711
@krismurphy7711 2 жыл бұрын
I dismiss Church History as the basis for Truth.
@RGS86
@RGS86 2 жыл бұрын
"scary smart" hahahahaha
@grantbeck9228
@grantbeck9228 7 ай бұрын
I dismiss it. This is just motivated reasoning because of brainwashing by the church since birth. The life of joseph smith is all I need to dismiss thie truth claims of the church. How can you continue to believe this?
@angelalewis3645
@angelalewis3645 7 ай бұрын
So well said! Nice, Total Freedom!
@vendingdudes
@vendingdudes 5 ай бұрын
I'm going to watch this again and take notes. This topic in a more harnessed form would make an amazing sacrament meeting talk or fifth Sunday lesson
@annaclark5196
@annaclark5196 2 жыл бұрын
You guys should review Street Epistemology with Anthony Magnabosco. He talks about some of these issues and he interviews missionaries from time to time.
@yarim6359
@yarim6359 4 ай бұрын
This was so good it was golden! Thank you!
@BlueHalfVision
@BlueHalfVision 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode. We all need to share this with as many as possible. All believers and non-believers must watch this… and think.
@danascully7358
@danascully7358 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly.
@TdaPIANO
@TdaPIANO 2 жыл бұрын
I watched the whole thing, would you share my review that I posted on my channel as well? I think it shows another side to this claim that alot of members miss.
@BlueHalfVision
@BlueHalfVision 2 жыл бұрын
@@TdaPIANO I sat through OVER 2 HOURS to give you a chance. My review is: 1) Incredibly boring 2) Berdyaev and Jaspers talking points 3) You need a new host. Even the villain needs to be a person viewers care about (Ex: Felonious Gru). Kind of reminded me of High School “Intro to Philo”. I file your show next to Honey Boo Boo and Gigli. Sorry, man. Don’t give up- Script these out and use teleprompter.
@TdaPIANO
@TdaPIANO 2 жыл бұрын
​@@BlueHalfVision Sounds like your looking for entertainment more than substance. GRU from despicable me? I'm honored that I gave you that impression. Even bad guys get right from time to time. Thanks and take care.
@BlueHalfVision
@BlueHalfVision 2 жыл бұрын
@@TdaPIANO I like substance. But in this format, it also has to be worth someone's time. It seemed like a 20-minute read stretched out. And, yes, Despicable Me as example that every character's lines need to be compelling. Don't be too hard on yourself. Hang in there. I think my suggestions will help.
@vonsowards1297
@vonsowards1297 2 жыл бұрын
Hollow earth and casting out goblins in fun fuller, but these types of discussions are the real reason I stick around!
@ahh-2-ahh
@ahh-2-ahh 2 жыл бұрын
These fruits are so good!
@vincentvos3434
@vincentvos3434 3 ай бұрын
Great show Brothers !
@rickyde0255
@rickyde0255 2 жыл бұрын
Good discussion.
@vsd333sc2
@vsd333sc2 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic episode!
@kevinslyter
@kevinslyter 2 жыл бұрын
I used to consider myself an atheist, now I’m an agnostic, it’s true that atheists/secularists tend to discard what most other people would consider evidence such as personal human experience. Does the spiritual realm exist? Probably 🤔 I’m not sure what it is.
@jessicaloveridge2759
@jessicaloveridge2759 3 ай бұрын
When I say the church is true I literally mean that I know for a fact that it is the true church on the earth. And I then say I know because God has told me it is true.
@brb5506
@brb5506 3 ай бұрын
Plato's parable of the cave is relevant. The guy that leaves the cave and sees reality is someone who has received revelation and bears witness of it.
@KylonRic
@KylonRic 4 ай бұрын
Man I miss back when Kwaku was fighting secularism and the way progressives think
@juliaharrison2096
@juliaharrison2096 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode! I would love to hear your guy’s thoughts on The New Order of the Barbarians. It’s a KZfaq video about a lecture given by a doctor in the 60s.
@user-sc7ek4ru1o
@user-sc7ek4ru1o 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for talking about something that matters.
@ParadiseDestroyed
@ParadiseDestroyed 4 ай бұрын
This requires another show so that we can get a deeper dive on the epistemology of Church doctrine
@dankuchar6821
@dankuchar6821 4 ай бұрын
Excellent content as always.
@blessyoushortly3918
@blessyoushortly3918 3 ай бұрын
LDS 4 LIFE BABY ✊
@jillhorkley9158
@jillhorkley9158 3 ай бұрын
Wow. Just listened to this a year later. Spot on!
@josephmcmurray6634
@josephmcmurray6634 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for adding to my perspective.
@user-og2wt3le4j
@user-og2wt3le4j Жыл бұрын
I always thought the "burning in the bosom" feeling about the truth of the Book of Mormon had something to do with heartburn.
@realtomtomeny
@realtomtomeny 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Jacob! You used the verses in 1 Corinthians that I have long used to defend the Church since joining 5 years ago. You are a miraculous midnight mormon to me, by my epistemology.
@TdaPIANO
@TdaPIANO 2 жыл бұрын
5 years in? Congrats I was born into it back in 1981. Since then I served my mission in southern France, served in the US Air Force studying many facets of communication. I currently enrolled in the theology and religion department at the University of San Francisco. I just did a review on this entire video. It's a very serious critique of some of the flaws in this video and LDS claim as a whole. I just posted it on my channel if you want an in depth review of the other side of the coin?
@hansenjacob1986
@hansenjacob1986 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks man :) Just sharing what I find as I explore the depths of the gospel.
@deannawendt146
@deannawendt146 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome guys!
@l.tavakepaongo4205
@l.tavakepaongo4205 Жыл бұрын
This is some great content.
@travisweaver7567
@travisweaver7567 2 жыл бұрын
Well done gentlemen!
@spencerharward4884
@spencerharward4884 Жыл бұрын
⚡️ Great topic !!
@jacobreeves3110
@jacobreeves3110 Жыл бұрын
Kwaku is the king of swerving the conversation into head on traffic.
@reebsicles
@reebsicles Жыл бұрын
What is the name of Jacob's podcast? I think you guys have mentioned that he does one
@larryfrakous1332
@larryfrakous1332 2 жыл бұрын
This is sooo helpful. I love how this channel balances the kooky stuff and these really thought-provoking ideas about our faith.
@rconger24
@rconger24 7 ай бұрын
13:48. Cardon: "adopting the language of our oppressors" 30:23 Cardon: "their rhetoric, their vocabulary, their institutions and their methodologies" Am reminded of The Silver Chair and the heroic speech of Puddleglum also by CS Lewis.
@angelalewis3645
@angelalewis3645 7 ай бұрын
Beautiful thought ❤
@angelalewis3645
@angelalewis3645 7 ай бұрын
Puddleglum is the bomb.
@kevincantrell8109
@kevincantrell8109 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video brothers! Love what y'all are doing. Keep being watchmen and telling it how it is. Hugs and loves 👊🕊❤🤗
@Johnboynid
@Johnboynid 4 ай бұрын
Very, very good. It totally makes sense.
@garyamero7892
@garyamero7892 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion, I need to take notes! I call them Non LDS Christians (which sometimes irritates them, lol 😂 … extra benefit) to differentiate between us as y’all know they often don’t believe that we are Christians.
@realtomtomeny
@realtomtomeny 2 жыл бұрын
Eugene Peterson, The Message. A translation I love.
@cleopatra9235
@cleopatra9235 2 жыл бұрын
This is my fav episode so far! I just got back from a girls trip w two evangelical friends and we had some awesome discussions about similar topics. One area I need to explore further that I was having a hard time articulating in our discussions was why Christ isn’t “enough.” In talking about covenants/temple work/ etc. my friends were adamant that none of that is needed. Honestly I didn’t have a good answer - I talked about being bound to Christ through covenants but they feel they are already bound to him because they’ve accepted him. Anyway… this episode was beautiful in so many ways. I think you’re getting better at not talking over one another. Haha. Thx for a great one. ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@six1nyne
@six1nyne 2 жыл бұрын
Parable of the talents yo str8 from the masters lips. U have to show them what u have learned by your works. The mysteries u know that they only know in parable u have to teach them by the spirit of truth. The Holy Ghost will teach them actually it won't be you. Matt 13:10-16 this is Jesus saying Jesus is not enough. That their are levels and not everyone is on the same level. John 16: 12-15 this shows how Jesus is not enough. You have to show them eternal truths. To this end were you born for this cause came you into the world to bear witness to the truth. Those who are of the truth hear his voice. Think about the fruits of the spirit and approach your friends with those fruits you partake together. Don't go about proving to them, they are blind they will see nothing. It will avail u nothing u have to open their eyes. Find what they don't know on the level they are at and raise them up. In the end they have to understand the one true God John 17. Jesus in the end is not enough he is essential to learning to take your first steps like Peter stepping out into the storm tossed sea. Parables use them to reveal the mysteries and their devine potential/birthright. Christ teachings all point to losing your life to find it the greatest work ever wrought was the atonement. Jesus is not enough he is essential but only the rock on which you build. Find scriptures that show the promises of God to those who build on the rock of the redeemer. Stay in the bible till they start to have aha moments and then dive into the restoration. Line upon line. Milk before meat. We eat the bread of life and then partake of the living water. A work the apostles observed after the death of christ. Or just invite them over to your house to talk shop with the missionaries that's the best way to go. Faith vs works is a hard one because the bible is mad contradictory in that department. Show them your good works that they may glorify your father which is in heaven show them what they are missing. Christianity wants to side step accountability show them that Jesus held men accountable he asked that they bring forth fruit meet for repentance and to be a light to the world. Ask them what they think the jews did in the temple? Ask them what they think moses did? If god does not change why would these things change for us. They will say jesus. Then ask them why the apostles were at the temple daily? Ask then why do we get baptized? Baptism is a work an ordinace of heaven (somewhere in job 38 it talks about the ordinaces of heaven) you could say if Jesus was enough then why does the scriptures say that he will send the spirit of Elijah before the great and dreadful day. To turn the hearts od the children to the fathers and the hearts of the children to the father if not he would smite the earth with a curse. It appears jesus is not enough. if they believe baptism comes from faith alone then ur pretty much screwed. Continue to show them ur good works and pray that he will soften their hearts. Congratulations on becoming a Mormon. This life will begin to make a ton of sense for u now. (If in fact your a recent convert if not my bad)
@krismurphy7711
@krismurphy7711 2 жыл бұрын
Review the Sacrament Prayer....that should be enough...every week?? (Secret Handshakes, Passwords and Which Shoulder your Robe is on shouldnt control your access to Heaven or God...and really sounds human in origin.)
@cptn-4085
@cptn-4085 Жыл бұрын
@@krismurphy7711 sacred temple ordinances don't control access into gods presence? Baptism by the proper authority of the priesthood does. Also, the temple endowment pertains to exaltation, not salvation or inheriting the celestial kingdom which is possible for those who have been baptized as explained. Also, do some more studying about the covenant relationship Christ has with his disciples, sacred embraces of Israelite and Egyptian origin as well as the apocryphal episodes describing Christ's prayer circle, his hand clasps with disciples and how these relate to signs, tokens, handclasps and his crucifixion.
@bryantsmith1295
@bryantsmith1295 10 ай бұрын
​@cptn-4085 The LDS temple endowment ceremony claims specifically and explicitly that it enables you to enter God's presence.
@thedailydump7407
@thedailydump7407 7 ай бұрын
Oh my friend… Jesus IS Enough!
@starbolt0636
@starbolt0636 2 жыл бұрын
This is definitely a very helpful episode and one of my favorites. Thank you for your service, brothers. You guys are awesome.
@henryponnefz1419
@henryponnefz1419 6 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@beaumccraney8914
@beaumccraney8914 3 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@akaNJ814
@akaNJ814 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an another great episode
@LatterDaySigma
@LatterDaySigma 2 жыл бұрын
Cardon @ 41:53 is that why it also says in the scriptures that in the last of days Men’s hearts will fail them? And that even the elect among us will be fooled? … That’s deep brother!!
@morganmauget9719
@morganmauget9719 4 ай бұрын
The thought of Graven Images comes to mind, but we aren't worshipping this, just admiring a faithful servant of our Savior 😊
@Bratt95632
@Bratt95632 3 ай бұрын
Bible becomes an idol.
@shireecox122
@shireecox122 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes one just knows what one knows.
@pamelajessee8011
@pamelajessee8011 2 жыл бұрын
GREAT presentation! Thought-provoking, educational, informative!
@dcarts5616
@dcarts5616 Жыл бұрын
This was awesome MM. Of note, I always loved how the promise in Moroni, that in its Spanish translation it used “conocer en vez de saber” as well. I’ve lost about half of my immediate and extended family to secularism (not all were of the LDS faith FYI) over the last 34 months. It’s truly sad to see how obviously soul sucking secularism is to societies of the world. May God come soon, or may he start some impressive for all to see manifesting ASAP.
@TroyLeavitt
@TroyLeavitt 2 жыл бұрын
Another enjoyable watch even though I disagree with much of it. Thank you for the insight, gentlemen!
@WARDRADIO
@WARDRADIO 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@John-re7dd
@John-re7dd Ай бұрын
I saw this podcast and the title grabbed me as epistemology is one of my favorite topics. I thought the discussion was spot on at first then quickly deviated from being reasonable. You should listen to Jonathan Streeter's podcast "How to fix your faith crisis with this one weird trick". He pushes the idea of wood tools vs. steel tools as a means of epistemology. Steel tools, as he defines them, are useful in discerning between truth and error; wood tools are not very useful. In the case of knowing if the LDS church is true, look methods you are pushing here to see if any church could use the same method you are purporting. If a member of both the Jehovah Witnesses and LDS can use these methods to be able to say they know, then its a wood tool, unable to give you the best opportunity to discover actual truth. The KZfaq video "Spiritual Witnesses" shows people of many religions saying they know theirs is the true church, mostly based on the ideas you are suggesting here. I realize I can't know anything for certain, but I want to use steel tools to help me have the best probability of finding and incorporating true ideas into my life.
@joepro66
@joepro66 8 ай бұрын
Like other Christians when you speak of personal revelation and they look at you like you have a third eye...
@jonahbarnes5841
@jonahbarnes5841 2 жыл бұрын
Sheesh. Start to finish, every minute is excellent! What a great discussion. I'm excited to show this to my teenaged boys. God bless you dudes.
@TdaPIANO
@TdaPIANO 2 жыл бұрын
After you're done maybe you should show them the other side. Ya know the reality version. Lucky for you I posted one on my channel. I'm sorry you want to tell your boys to follow a scam like this but maybe you'd be better off giving them the full story instead and trusting their judgement for once. Indoctrination isn't cool, but I'm sure you know that. Just a thought Jonah.
@jonahbarnes5841
@jonahbarnes5841 2 жыл бұрын
@@TdaPIANO eew! Sick burn brah! Never heard that before! Ya know, tearing down traditions and faith isn't brave. Do you know that? You know,: you're not brave. You're not edgy. In the 80s, maybe. But not now. Now it's so cliche it's painful to see in real time.
@TdaPIANO
@TdaPIANO 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonahbarnes5841 Not trying to burn ya but I see why you need to project your misguided anger somewhere. All I'm offering is the truth, and you know it. if this challenges your faith take it as a way to grow. If it destroys it, than look at it as a new beginning. I used to have an LDS father that pushed the mormonCorp single mindset on me too. He was wrong and so are you for pushing it on your kids. One day the points I make will come to haunt your relationship with them and that will be 100 percent your own fault for ignoring the warning. Know thyself, and quit being a sheep, it's painful to see this type of behavior still endorsed in real time.
@jonahbarnes5841
@jonahbarnes5841 2 жыл бұрын
@@TdaPIANO oh grow up. I've heard this a thousand times before. You're not brave. You're not original. You're not clever. Blah blah blah
@TdaPIANO
@TdaPIANO 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonahbarnes5841 That's wonderful news, now all that's left for you to do is act. But cowards rarely act, they're too busy waiting for someone like a savior or a prophet to do it for them. So do you and your kids a favor reach down grab your nuts and remind yourself you're not a little girl who needs some clever or or brave statement to come figure out this scam for you and do it for yourself. Or you could head on over to my video and point out what I got wrong like a big boy who knows how to swim in the deep end without his floaties. Thanks for the comment.. You're adorable.
@realtomtomeny
@realtomtomeny 2 жыл бұрын
Most profound episode ever! Thanks guys!
@mmeszmurrized7872
@mmeszmurrized7872 5 ай бұрын
Right on!!
@GwPoKo
@GwPoKo 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode, guys! Love the deeper conversations going on tackling real questions and issues. Keep 'em coming!
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