I don't understand how they can erase a record if it was legal under the rules in effect at the time. Start a new set of records for the new rules, but leave the old ones on the books.

Imagine being the guy that changed the rules to an event. Absolute legend status right there

"The Olympics, to celebrate the peak of human capability." Also. "Too good! You're too good!"

I would like to see a 3km long field, with the original javelin. Just imagine what the true world record would be if the field was lengthened.

Javelin: Flies too far. Me: "Make the field longer!" Thanos: "Make the javelin worse."

I think this just means the javelin event needs to be moved to a more optimal venue. Instead of limiting the distance because of space, just increase the space.

When talking about Räty, you have to mention his incredible injury record. He was strength first thrower and that really showed in how prone he was to being injured. An absolute legend, and had potential for so much more.

That slip damaged his ankle and it got worse as the rounds progressed. He kept throwing warm up throws through the competition, just to load up everything on the last one. With a busted support leg, that is supposed to be stomped on the throw line and transfer the running energy to the hand and to the javelin. His growl ends up in an "ai" which is a cry of pain. Seppo Räty is not the kind of guy who cries from pain.

Fun fact: the javelin used by Uwe Hohn for his WR in 1984 was designed by Miklos Nemeth who set the WR in 1976.

And then Jan Zelezny went on a terror and broke the world record at 98.48 meters and will certainly be called the greatest javelin thrower ever.. Hohn had injuries shortly after his mark of 104 so the consistency of being able to compete was not really there for him.. Raty and Tapio for Finland were great throwers as well..

4:40 When the officials at the end of the tape are all sprinting away from you it's a good hit.

Boy, it’d be interesting to see his distance with an earlier, optimized version of the javelin…

I was a young javelin thrower when this happened, just learning the event, and my dad told me about him throwing 97 metres after he heard about it on the radio. It took my club a while to get the new design javelins, but when they did, even the kiddie ones I was throwing went nearly 10 metres less distance!!!!

The original changes to javelin specs pushed throwers such as myself and many others out of the event. It became much more of a strength event.

The records count. Each reset generates a new category.

I’m sorry Mr Beamon, your jump is disqualified because you jumped beyond the length of the sand pit. You could have hurt someone!

After todays Results I am interested to know how great is Arshad Nadeem's achievement of throwing 92.97 with the new Javelin and again scoring 91+m in his last attempt crossing the 90m barrier twice in a single event.

Arshad Nadeem from Pakistan just broke the Olympic record with incredible throw of 92.97 m , His massive improvement from Tokyo 87m to Paris two 90+ throws is incredible and in near future he may set new records in javelin history.

They banned the discus type throw for the javelin. But it’s proven that if done right it destroyed records by 30 meters. But they didn’t like that during the windup the javelin would point at the crowd lol.

This is literally the only media I have ever seen regarding the javelin event which made me care about it. Well done, sir.

So, Arshad Nadeem if he had a chance to throw from an old Javelin would challenge his record of 96 meters.

Miguel de la Quadra Salcedo did 112.30 m in 1956, but the Federation changed the rules because he used rotation and that was dangerous.

I feel like removing records is kind of silly, why not just draw a line after javelin changes where you would count completely new records so they all could co-exist through any javelin changes

When you look at the records you have to go to non legal throws to find Ratys throws which were legal at the time but go down to the freethrow category and youll see a distance of 99.25m achieved in 1956.... it was with a spinning technique where the javelin would be held at the hip

The change of the implement was not because Hohn threw so far but because there were so many flat or near flat throws and so much discussion about foul or not. The committee proposing the rule change was already finished when Hohn threw over 100 meter.

Nadeem 92m

The speed of the second change probably has as much to do with bureaucratic inertia as it does with the quality of either of the two throws. Once they decided the javelin could be changed, changing it again would be less of a big deal.

It would be cool to see modern day javelin throwers once in a while have competition with old javelins

would be interesting to optimize the javelin as much as possible and see how far a human could take it? Are there other throwing objects that would take it even furter with optimisation? Like a discus or frisbee of some sort?

Here after the 2024 olympic world record

Who else is here after the 2024 Olympics javelin record?

Congratulations from Pakistan to Arshad Nadeem for making all of us proud with his Olympic Record!

Who’s watching this after Arshad Nadeem set the olympic world record in the paris olympics 2024

That record 96,96m In Punkaharju, there is metal rod in the ground at the spot.

Golf has the same problem. The equipment manufacturers improve the distance of their clubs and balls. This screws up the challenges that the courses present. The USGA tried to limit the distances. The equipment people sued the USGA. The USGA gave up and instead moved the tees back on the championship courses.

Thanks for the amazing story I never would have heard anywhere else. Absolutely LOVE this type of stuff, and share it with my dad who loves it too. Thanks again

If people are getting so good they threaten the spectators, move the spectators. How did nobody think to do this?

This is SPARTA !......spear flies from Athens to Babylon.

Would love to see a championship where any kind of spears would be allowed, to see how far an optimal spear could be thrown

Time to update the video. Arshad Nadeem is cooking.

Notice the number 92 on Räty, the thought was he would throw 92 meters, hence the number.

Thanks for this. As a long time aficionado of track and field this history lesson was fascinating.

Olympics: Lets see the capabilities of humans. Also the Olympics: lets limit them.

i was a kid learning how to throw back in those days. still have those nike javelin boots that Raty wore, black and luminous yellow. great times for throwing.

Jojo Vetter's 97.74m is arguably the true world record given it was inside a stadium. Zelezny's WR had a nice tailwind.

Seppo Räty is one of the biggest Finnish legends. He and the ski jumper Matti Nykänen are responsible of half of the funny quotes used by Finns to this day. After throwing this javelin competition in Punkalaidun, reporter wanted to know why he was so good: "I've been getting so good food that I've put in 5 kilos." On preparing for Barcelona Olympics: "I've been driving around with Mika Halvari because it's been so cold." Explaining his smile and handwaving at medal ceremony: "I waved just to fuck around." On losing a competition in Germany: "Germany is a shit country." On preparations for Helsinki EC 1994: "I rest or get drunk." Before 1996 Atlanta Olympics: 500 000 marks in cold cash in my hand, and the stick flies over 100 metres." "Before leaving for Atlanta I decided that I wouldn't speak one word English. Speaking Finnish would have to suffice." "I can throw 60m standing still." "I feel pity for (Usain Bolt's) wife, girlfriend or girlfriends. The guy is done under 20 seconds and already dripping in sweat." Sports reporter asking him to say something with substance/weight: "Caterpillar." On losing a Mercedes in Stuttgart that they gave out to winners: "I didn't even want one, because it's a shabby car." Said to a female javelin thrower Heli Rantanen on the pitch in Atlanta 1996 "Throw so hard that your pussy tears up." and "Throw so hard that you'll piss yourself." Heli won gold. When asked if he'll do a victory lap: "I won't go unless they force me." About an upcoming 20-something thrower: "They can concentrate only on two things. If you try to study, do sports and fuck, there's one thing too many. You can study later."

The same thing happened with the U.S. M1 Rifle used in WWII. Not only did some commanders not allow the full 8 round clips, limiting the troops to 3 or 1 round clips, when the rifle was being tested, the range exceeded the “safe zone” for the shooting ranges, so the Army brass developed the M2 round with a shorter range - they removed some of the boat tail from the end of the round. The US fought WW II with an hobbled rifle, so the shooting ranges didn’t need to be changed.

3:40 look at how the javelin is being twisted! That throw had so much power.

Cool video! Räty is a legend here in Finland

i hate that they slowed down the javelin, they should instead longer field and let anyone use whatever javelin they want and whatever technique they want, i want to see the how far it can go using the most optimal technique and materials, if your putting limits ,you might as well just use a wooden stick as it in no way shape or form represents the best of human capability

96.96 Bro really went from track and field to art classes😂

A few errors in this video. It wasn't that the IAAF needed to change the rules because the javelins was going too far - that's evidenced by the fact that Jan's WR is significantly further than Seppo's 96.96m. The issue was that two javelin manufacturers noticed a loophole in the javelin specs in the rules, and started working to introduce elements to the javelin design where they could claim it was within the rules. First Nemeth introduced the roughened edge at the back of the jav, then in response (I think it was...) Nordic who added some "spiraled" tape around the end. Both had the effect of altering the aerodynamics to increase the hang time but still allowed the javelin to pitch point down, which was the problem with the old pre 1986 javelin. So the IAAF disallowed the record as it was basically breaking the rules. They clarified the tech specs of the jav and off we went - the record goes back to 89.58m and it was never a problem again. Sort of like a wind assisted run/jump. For example, the TJ WR of 18.29m is a bit less than Jon Edwards all time biggest jump of 18.43m disallowed because it was windy.

Who's here after Olympic 2024 record by Arshad??

Distance thrown/safety WAS NOT the reason the javelin was changed in 1984- it was to insure a point first landing, so judges did not have to make a judgement of fair or foul. The rules were changed in 1982, but gave javelin companies 2 years to develop the new designs and give athletes time for everyone to gain access to the new models. Rules changed in 1982; new rules announced in 1984; new implements used in 1986.

Silly me thought you were gonna talk about the real world record holder, Miguel de la Cuadra Salcedo, from Spain who, in 1956, threw the javelin at 112,5m pulverizing the previous record by almost 30 meters. I guess using soap instead of resin and being from a backwards rural village from northern Spain was too much for the IAAF and the scandinavian strongmen who could not be humiliated like that during a world event, deciding the soap was illegal (everyone used resin) as well as the "technique". So let´s keep talking about records not given.

And then comes Arshad Nadeem. Breaking all of it.

Fascinating! And while I do agree that it's an absolutely insane throw by Raty that made the associations change the sport again basically immediately, I do wanna point out how impressive it is that they took 2 years after the >100m throw from Uwe Hohn and *nobody managed to beat it in that time*. To me that just means that yes, he had an easier time than any athlete after the change because of the way the javeling was built. But he was also clearly the best because nobody could beat him with that javelin.

Perhaps your best work right there!

The javelin wasn't changed due to throwing distances. They were, at the time, already planning on changing the javelin as the point wasn't sticking down enough and was putting the ruling of whether it counted into the hands of the judges, which was causing many disputes.

I almost skewered my P.E. teacher at school when we did javelin throwing. It was “only” about 56 metres but he was stood a couple of feet from where it landed. Everyone else was throwing more like 30m so he stood down range at around 55m. I had a good arm on me lol. I also got the school record for the discus throw at the time. Running 100m was my thing though, so I didn’t really pursue javelin or discus.

Imagine changing the rules of the event and completely invalidating the hard work people put into reaching world records instead of just adding 10 meters to the length of the field💀

What i don't understand is why are women javelins lighter

Little know fact: The javelins that went "too far" were designed by Wormser, a child prodigy at Adams College when he was a 10 year old undergrad. In addition to pushing the boundaries of javelin engineering, Wormser was one of the founding members of the the Adams College chapter of Lambda Lambda Lambda... a fraternity which, until the chapter at Adams started, had been an all black fraternity. The odds were against them ever becoming TriLambs after the 60 day trial period mandated by the fraternities bylaws because, as the head of the organization, UN Jefferson, put it... "Your nerds." But Wormser and his brothers persevered and were able to win over UN Jefferson. Wormser and his TriLamb brothers at Adams created an "ahead of its time" fraternal organization that did not discriminate on the basis of race or creed... or sexual orientation. Wormser was truly a trailblazer on many levels.

Genie. “you have one wish” Me. “I want to roll my R’s!!!!”

Bruce Jenner there holding his javelin before he decided to throw it away for good.

i wouldnt say there was more urgency to change the rules the second time, but because it was done before, they new what to do, that no one would complain etc.

At 3:00 the British announcer sounds like he is coming straight from his Monty Python routine.

Incorrect info. The correct info is that there was already talk about changing the design before Hohn's legendary throw and all that throw did is speed up the implementation of what was already in the works. They knew a massive throw would happen, they just didn't know it would be so soon. The javelin was changed not BECAUSE of Hohn's throw but because his massive throw was premature.

They should allow the old records to be broken by using only the same type/style of Javelin that was used to set that record. Doesn't make any sense to change up the Javelin making it less likely to travel as far as the previous ones used before it.

the Olympics should not be allowed to erase current record placements. changing the equipment is fine, but let the numbers stand for that era. it's literally taking away his accomplishment.

To all those saying "make the field longer": Uwe Hohn might have disrupted commercial air travel if he kept at it.

We need 4 Olympic events for all spots: 1. The average Joe Olympics. 2. The current Olympics. 3. The "Let's see how good we are without drugs" Olympics, i.e. modifying equipment to however you damn well want, just go fast, jump high and throw far. 4. And the cheaters Olympic. Let's see how good an athlete is within rules compared to a normal human, and then compare them to the other 2 categories and see what we are really capable off without rules.

thanks, as cool as the +100m story

Don't know why this came up in my feed, but great video! No affiliaton with athletics whatsoever but I found this very informative

"Coincidentally, the guy that broke the record broke it again." Omg what a spooky coincidence

1:04 priof that Jason Statham is an immortal.

Thank you for sharing!

I wonder what insane distance record you could get if you, with all the advances in modern technology, could absolutely optimise the javelin so go as far as it could possibly be thrown

Some of the funniest threads I have seen in years 😂 I thought they were trolling at first but nah some people would actually be Thanos! 😂 I owe disney an apology. Thanos is a very realistic character and based in reality. There are many people with his sort of motivation and point of view. "Where would we get more space?" "The stadium size!" "Other events would be affected!" "They had to cut the world record!" "Where would we get infinite space!?" Me: Go Outside. Any field. You only need like 150m.

I understand there being safety concerns, but isn't the correct solution to simply increase the size of the field?

i wonder how far an Olympic javelin thrower could throw a javelin designed to be as aerodynamic and efficient as possible.

3:50 Did he just double wind breaker? Next level

I'm officially team Seppo!!!

Thanks for covering Rätys story.

Next javelin throw legend is Arshad nadeem who just broke the Olympics world record

"They had to change the rules of a sport that existed since the ancient Greeks, because I was too good at it," is the greatest thing you can brag about.

Why de-optimize the javelin when all you need is to move away the audience where the javelin is thrown into?

I think Javelin's are the only thing in which the actual event is literally 'designed' to prevent you from performing at your best..... Imagine how far they could chunk actual 'war-javelins', if they are flinging ones quite literally designed 'not' to fly, over 80 meters.

Anyone remember "The Alcinder Rule"? When Kareem Abdul Jabbar was in college his name was Lew Alcinder. The NCAA changed the rules of basketball by disallowing dunking. Although they denied it, everyone knew it was aimed specifically at Alcinder. After he entered the pros, the NCAA changed the rule back and once again allowed dunking.

Zelezny is the GOAT. How many times did he set the world record? World Championships won? Most importantly he won Olympic Gold medals. As great as Raty and Backley were, when you compete in an Olympic sport, there is only 1 metric that counts and that's the Olympic Gold.

Was wondering if you can do some digging into the advent of super shoes and how these will affect high jump, pole vault, triple jump, and even long jump. Watched the javelin and was wondering if the shoes could have any effect on it - my mind says it might but it hasn’t been tested yet. But those other events might have the WR threatened by the shoes. Personally, I would hate for the High Jump WR to be broken because of shoes. It would feel quite hollow. But I’m not sure if this could actually happen.

Would love to see modern athletes throw the old javelin to see were they are in comparison? Wonder has this happened.

They have also changed the athlete going from Bruce to Caitlyn 😂 they erased his balls

arshad nadeem breaks the OR

I understand the changing of the javelin for safety but....... fuck that. Its the olympics. It should be about how far you can REALLY throw. Make the BEST javelin and make the crowd be further away. Make that javelin fly.

Räty was also a legendary personality. F in comments for those who don't know :D

Why were those fools allowed to stand in such a dangerous location?

I may sound stupid because I know nothing about this sport, but why don’t they just move the people away from the direction of the javelin rather than continuously making the javelin worse?

i understand why the changes were made but they shouldnt have deleted those distances imo, there should be annotations next to them or a seperate section for each iteration of the javelin, the athletes shouldnt be penalised for pushing the boundaries past what was considered safe

Would be interesting to have than just counting the horizontal distance. Would be great to have competitions for height and for accuracy too😊😊