In aviation circles there's a saying "The takeoff is optional, but the landing is MANDATORY". It's not an issue of being able to pull a heavy load, you have to be able to control the vehicle, including stopping while doing so. Great review.

Diehard ram guy here and I've told my wife many time over the past few years "I'd drive the shit out of one of those powerstrokes". They really are awesome trucks.

Thank you guys very much. I was thinking about the same as you,(looking at Ford). But with the engine brake being so good on my Ram 3500 I have to stay right now with my Ram. Your doing a real service for us brother. BAD CHERRY.

It’s fun watching some pros talk shop and review equipment together. I’ve learned a lot about towing and hauling from you both.

I know I'm late to the party, but I was waiting for this video! I wanted to say something about Ford's exhaust break system for towing when you made the previous video visiting the dealerships test driving the Dodge Ram vs the Ford...but I wanted to wait until you made a video of you actually towing with a Ford. True, I do favor Dodge products, "Even though I was raised in a Chevy family" but I like all badges, and in the end was not surprised by your conclusion. In all honesty...I know people are asking for you to review a Chevy or GMC but hear me out. Ford is about to release their F600! this July apparently. Basically an F-650 but with the pickup cab and front end, without having to run the oversized medium duty body. Best yet, it comes with a 4x4 option, High output allegedly, and the 10 speed!! If you can gets your hands on an F600 to test it would be awesome to see, because no one is talking about it! Not even Fast Lane Truck is covering it or evening mentioning it, and right now there's only 1 KZfaq video of a running example of an F600 and it's just the 7.3 gas. Overall it sounds like a review thats easy pickens/up for grabs, and would be really cool if you could beat FLT to the punch. Anyway, sorry for the long comment. Really enjoyed this one, and loved the collab you did. Keep it up, and looking forward to what's next.

Bad Cherry, funniest reply on deck space “6inches is almost like a foot”.

H*** yeah finally yall meet up, I had a suspicious feeling this was gonna happen from as much as you kept mentioning tow piglet!!

Bad cherry, and I drive a 2019 Chevy and tow about 38 max weight. My truck does have a weight reduction done. Love it.

Really cool of tow piglet to do this, awesome!

It's a good thing that you were able to test out the Ford with the trailer and whole shabam. It shows you what the reality behind the product is!

these are the type of videos that help so much!

I had a 2015 Ford F-350 and now I'm in a 2020 RAM 3500. Yes, the exhaust brake is much better in the RAM but I always made it down all the big hills in the Ford with very few brake applications.

I set my trailer brakes on 5.5 with engine brake on also in tow haul mode stops on a dime 2018 f550 towing 30,000 all day long

I own a 2020 f-350 and agree on the engine brake being lame. I learned that putting it in manual downhill helps alot! I have been on passes through the west coast and the Rockies. Thanks for the vid!

I mean that’s a stock 350 that’s equal to or slightly better than a modded 5500. Pretty impressive

Bad cherry. On my 350 if I have the cruise set I never have to touch service brakes going down hill. Liked the video. I bought a 40 foot air ride, 25k diamond c after I saw your trailer comparison with the hydraulic dove tail and jacks. Absolutely love it.

I subscribe to Alex...i honestly freaked when he switched to Ford but now that he's on his second one I'm pretty impressed. With the EPA cracking down I think the Cummins longevity advantage might go away...so it may mean the Ram, Ford and Chevy are all only going to last 250-300K if you're lucky. I honestly am confused as to why Ram doesn't switch to an Aisin or ZF 10 spd gearbox. Anyway Bad Cherry...im stoked you and Alex got to do a video..and he's an awesome dude to swing buy and let you do a test drive the way you needed to.

Great video I'm glad I stuck with the ram for shore

Bad Cherry. That was a great comparison video. I agree with your view point. If someone is primarily towing in hills and mountains. A good EB is essential. You feel safer, and more confident. You're not wearing out your truck, or trailer brakes as much. Replacing breaks more often, is an unnecessary added expense. I've driven a 2018 Ram 5500 with a 40ft gooseneck, loaded over 35k, all over Wyoming. That EB makes all the difference.

Right on Alex ! Cool to see you on here CRYPTO..

I think its awesome you guys got together. I watch both of you guys, very different personalities but awesome none the less.

Great video. Hats off to Tow Piglet. Wish you the best.

The video that everyone was waiting for. Awesome... it want that bad, it was good bc I learn something new: for work towing, hill power Dodge. For towing 4 wheels, horse trailer, camper, a tractor at the ranch Ford

Baaaaad cherry. Lol. Always learn a lot at your final chats. On what ya think anyway. Well done! Have a good weekend

Bad cherry 🍒🤘🏻Nice video, enjoyed it. Alex definitely seems like a good guy. I’ve watch quite a bit of his videos

I have a 2015 ford f350 single and it has made me a ford believer. Ya you dont notice the exhaust brake like on the other brands BUT it does work. I have a stock trailer 27 foot a flatbed 27 foot and dump trailer 14 foot bed all gooseneck trailers. Truck is stock and it get the job dun. 👍🏻 great video loved the test.

Bad Cherry. Nice collaboration, and great real life tow conditions!

Doing a great job Sam keep it up

Hey, both guys are on the top of my subscribed list, Awesome content! *CDL Loads = 450/5500, just the final drive ratio will help to slow ya down. My opinion is to put the Ram exhaust brake on the Ford rather than the Ford Trany on the Ram. Besides I think there is more than a common bolt pattern that gets an automatic transmission/engine pair to work well. Don’t sweat the Ford Trans Temp. I have a MB Sprinter that runs at Temps that would get you to call 911 and its normal. Hoping Ford and Ram are watching your important content and reading some of these comments, I would like to add that both Ram & especially Ford need to go with a tilt (F-650 style) front hood, one should be able to see the engine without pulling the cab. Thanks Guys, please keep it coming!

Bad cherry. I spit my beer out when you said "I guess 6 inches is a lot of space for some people"

Bad cherry boss I agree Cummins I’m rocking my 2000 Ram 3500 dually 5.9 24v 4x4 with exhaust break.. trying to work hard as can to buy another that’s new to experience it but Cummins all the way!!! Been watching all your videos from top to bottom just subscribed not to long ago around the time you gave grandma a ride in her truck maybe a few back from that. Keep up all the good work bud!

i am sorry if i affended anyone . i am 53 years old i have had jobs in logging ,salvage , welding , wrecking yards , garbage industry . ihave only had 5 personal vehicles i owned and normally i had more agressive trucks than my employer . three where ford f 350+ two chevy's 1 dodge that my neighbor loaned me when my chevy 3500 caught fire . my 69 still runs great but so does the dodge . thanx for listening to an old man ;

I’m down with this video. I like Tow Piglet, he is brutally honest. When he fucks up he shares it with the world, so others don’t make the same mistake. He genuinely wants to help others scratch out a living.

I'm a fan on both channels. I'm powerstroke all the way now.

Bad cherry! I've owned both Ford's and Dodge. I'm probably not shopping until 2021. The race is on for my business!

Hey Sam been watching your videos for awhile, and like you I’m a dodge guy, well more like a Cummins guy. I live in the Texas panhandle so no hills, but we do have wind like crazy. So I have a short story to share. Now this took place back in 06 so laws where different back then. I was hauling cattle for awhile in a 05 with a tune I cannot remember. Again going to remind y’all in Texas and in 06, but I was on a regular basis weight total 38k and some change and my 05 4x4 dully 5 speed and straight exhaust, that’s it. It would pull that load all day at 70 with no issues. I still think there is no better engine than a Cummins, so stick with what works, the 08. It’s pre emissions crap and you know it. If you need more power throw some bigger injectors in it and a compound turbo set up. As for more gears get you a gear vender then you would have a 12 speed, assuming your 08 is a 6 speed now. That’s my thought, like them or not just my thoughts. Pray God keeps blessing y’all!!

Bad cherry. I was here back when you had a few thousand subs and I was one of them. Glad to see you’ve grown. Alex seems cool but his videos are obnoxious and cheesy way too much theatrics for me and just rubs me wrong like a dishonest used car salesmen so I can’t believe anything he says. But you are more of a mans man with your video and I appreciate that and take what you say with much more than a grain of salt. Just picked up a Texas pride 40ft goose and tow it with a 2015 f350 fx4 with airbags and I agree the exhaust break sucks big time and I won’t upgrade till they can compete with rams. I17 north heading up to flagstaff from Phoenix is one of the toughest hills I’ve ever driven and with a 20k load I’d be lucky to hit 34 miles per hour I’m thinking with a 30k load id be at 15 or less. Those hills are true proving grounds for any badge. Thanks for the videos keep them coming

Need that new 18 speed ram 3500 😂 just start swapping eaton fullers in these trucks and call it a day

It's a combination of exhaust break and transmission. Even my 2019 Volvo VNL I have to downshift going down steep enough grades with a load on it. Of course truck, crane and steel step-deck trailer scales out at about 39,500 to 40,000 empty at steel warehouse in Chicago.

Excellent video. Great seeing you and Alex together. Been in the excavation and trucking biz since 1995 and still learning from you guys!! Going hotshotting for my final years though until retirement. Thanks again guys!! Peace.

Bad Cherry. Good honest evaluation of Ford vs Dodge for your needs. I traded my 3500 6.7 Cummins for a 2019 6.7 F350 dually. But, I don't tow the weight you do and seldom run the hills you do. An occasional trip to Wyoming and the Sierra's only. But, mostly the flatlands of Texas. Also, my equipment is no where near the weight of yours! I too am a fan of Cummins. I still run an '05 ISL and it's a great motor! Thanks a bunch for the review!

I like the looks of the Ford over the Dodge. I have 2, 2012 F-350's. They have done a great job for me. Both the Dodge and Ford are awesome trucks!

It’s.cool that you and Alex got together for a video, I like him also. There are big differences

Good to see someone being honest in the comparisons as a mechanic and a Ford fan it would of been interesting to see if you could of bought your super duty with the 6.7L or Cummins and the 10 speed. I have to agree that in stock tune the engine brake is weak but just putting a small tow tune on the Ford really wakes up the engine brake. In our area their is a lot of companies that use super duty for their work trucks and most agree engine brake from stock should be better. I think if you had a chance with trying a super duty with a tow tune that wakes up the engine brake you might have a different opinion. No matter it was another great video look forward to more.

I watch you and tp all the time cool to see you guys working together

Thank you for doing these comparisons. Bad Cherry

bad cherry. Great episode !! you two are the only guys I really follow

This is a fantastic series. Can't wait to see what you guys end up with. Keep it up! edit: bad cherry

Bad Cherry my friend...love your content!

Per instructions, "Bad Cherry." Now, I was a Cummins faithful after years of using them in the Army until I drove a Silverado 3500 4x4 Duramax. Allison is nice, ride is good, the exhaust brake is more of a trans brake but the fuel mileage is what sold me.

Sam...F450 has bigger brakes, bigger rear axle shaft and lower gears. Also, the dodge video that took zero brake applications...not true. They said with the button they pushed the truck applies the brakes for you in order to hold the speed. You don't have to hit the brake pedal, but the brakes are still being applied.

Nice to see someone open to testing different options instead of only blindly following brand loyalty.

I said this on instagram but dang I can believe two of my favorite KZfaqrs are collaborating

When I was shopping for a new 3500 SRW truck 2 years ago for our RV, RAM won. The highest GVW, highest PAYLOAD, shorter wheelbase for the same cab and bed configuration. Personally I am not fond of the Ford styling, but I guess that's the reason they make different brands.

Bad cherry. Loved it brother.

The 10 speed transmission in the Ford learns how you drive and tries to match it depending on your driving habits. So if it acts weird thats why because it's still learning.

Nice video, & thanks for this info!

I wish I was nearby id let you borrow my 2020 450 platinum to do this same test! The engine braking works the best out of all the trucks I've had.

YEEEEES!!! I have been looking forward to this video. Eager to see what your reaction is on it. Perfect lunch break haha Ahhh tow piglet, Nice!!! Im just going to keep updating this comment as the video goes haha Thanks for the good review! Bad Cherry ;)

The Cummins engine is just so freaking reliable. Rumor is Ram with a allison trans! I towed horse trailers all over the mountains before exhaust brakes were a normal thing on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. I have saw other horse trailer brakes on fire on those 7%+ grades for miles. I only wish I had my current 2018 Ram Limited back when I towed horse trailers through the mountains.

Really good info. Thanks for showing all sides of it. Bad cherry lol. I'm a Cummins fan for the way they tow. I am in the process of building my ultimate tow rig, 2005 3500 with nv5600, plan to add compounds and injectors to it. My goal is 500+ hp on my tow tune. My 08 has the factory vgt with the exhaust brake but it's an auto truck with a mild built 68rfe, good for towing but not as good with the heavy trailer as far as trusting the transmission. The 6.7 has so much more torque than the 5.9 though.

Awesome video. Hat is ordered!😎

Bas cherry glad to see Tow Piglet and you together the 450 will have better gear for towing 4.30

Jeez , 1m in and you rackin up views.. 🤘

Exhaust Brake - 450 driver here, also often around 39k total, so the exhaust brake while ‘on’ (not automatic) seems to have four settings, not just one. If you just hit the button it doesn’t do much. Hold the brake with moderate pressure for maybe 3 seconds. Too quick won’t work. Listen, you can hear it spool up, I call this the second setting. Then wait maybe five seconds and repeat, get into third level. Listen for the increased sound. I think I can detect four settings, although the max one may only come on during slower speed high downward incline situations. Ford engineer may correct any of this but this seems to be how it works. Play with it again and see if you can engage at least the third setting coming down 8% grades at 55! Huge difference. As soon as it gets steep do the three or four second moderate brake application to engage next level. I don’t brake often, but definitely do. Going down 70 Co for example (The Gauntlet). If this is correct maybe this is better because it isn’t just on/off, it has settings you can manipulate with the brake pedal for situation. For fourth setting slow (7 mph) and steep it is extremely strong. Is it detecting angle? Maybe. Separate comment: if towing around 30k consider the 450. Better in high wind sway, braking of course and turning radius - good for jackknifing massive RV’s right into small slots for example. Controlling load critical - engines so good now very small trucks are often managing loads they can’t stop or maneuver well if something goes a little wrong in front or to the side if you.

Already subscribed to tow piglet nice person good content in his videos. Bad cherry. Good work on the video loved the content in it keep up the good work and stay safe out there.

Bad cherry. Great comparison video!!

Thinks Y'ALL,LOVE VIDEO. GOD BLESS Y'ALL.

My 2017 Ford F-250 towes Great. Exhauste brake works great

Hi mate, just a quick point on engine brakes, i have 47 yrs experience in large trucks, and regardless of horse power different brand motors all retard differently. Cummins has always been strong, then GM,mack and caterpillar. The point is that Cummins will hold you at 45mph on a hill whereas mack might have to go down the hill at 40mph, cat at 38mph,etc. Also the gear ratio of the gear you are in will be slightly different as well. Perhaps if you came off the hill at 35 instead of 40mph could have been the difference between touching the service brakes or not. Also sometimes engine brakes work better with slightly less revs. A 2nd go down the hill at a lower starting speed would have been good, and might have surprised you. Keep on Truckin. Cheers from Digby in Perth western Australia

Just can’t beat that Cummins exhaust brake

Regular 68RFE has slip and slide with powerglide (Torque Management) On really steep stuff, 20% plus it would heat badly up to 275 with the stock trans. With my ATS Stage 2 with Co Pilot the max I have seen is 192. Whole different trans and torque converter. And for me, show me the Ford 6.7 with 500000 miles that has towed heavy. Very nice of Tow Piglet Alex to let you test with your loads and your roads. Now the exhaust brake is the deal breaker. For those really steeps with my 2 wheel drive and the manual transfer case, I never have to touch the brakes. On the east exit from Yosemite, you get to do 11 miles of 8% downhill. There are two switchbacks. Just to be safe even though the turn sign said 30 mph, I did one small brake stab to go from 30 to 20. Did not really have to do that, could have downshifted but I am lazy. Be careful what you wish for. There is ZERO long term on that 10 speed tranny in the Ford. And maybe do yourself a favor and on one of your builds, drop in an ATS 68RFE. Totally different trans only the cases are used and those are reinforced. The ATS will hold double the torque of the Aisin.

Bad Cherry brother keep up the awesome videos

Test the 450 Vbelt! That’s really what you need for your jobs; tight turns big brakes and lower gear!

bad cherry what an exciting video

Being able to pull big loads and stop them are two different things for sure. Ram and Ford are both good, but in the end the decision rests with what gives you the most features that you need the most.

I have a 2017 F350 4x4 XLT with extended cab 8ft bed 410 LS rear end. I haul consistently 20k on a 6500lb 38ft sliding axle trailer. The F350 has 86500 miles the transmission just was rebuilt do to running to hot consistently 275 degrees up Vermont hills 230 average, not good, shouldn't run hotter then 240 up any hill on an automatic transmission it will cook the plastic that's in them making the transmission useless. Other then that I'm impressed a 1 ton has done all that work 5 days a week to 80k before a automatic transmission overhaul. I'm getting a 2020 F550 single cab with a customized gooseneck bed with storage integrated into the sides, going to be way better in turning radius then the F350 which is horrible. I manage cause I've been hauling class 7and 8 trucks with 53ft trailers for 22 years in Boston/New England and NY. But doesn't mean it can't be done easier with less aggravation with a proper set up. So we'll see if this new F550 out does the F350, I'm banking it does. Stay safe 💯drivers ✌💛👊

Thanks for sharing that was good video 👍

Hang tight V Belt. Ram will be coming out with either a commercial ZF Powerline 8 speed or a 9 Speed Allison (not a branded one as in the case of the 2020 GM HD). Either one will be game over, plus the new cab coming over from the 1500 RAM to the HD lineup. Watch for the 2021 announcement. Pre Covid 19, this was set for 2021, I have no clue if Covid 19 changes the launch. I hope they opt for the 9 Speed Allison, it would be untouchable.

That's a 'bad cherry' hair cut dude, and I'm jealous! LOL I needed one real bad before this virus thing closed the barber shops here!!! LOL --gary

When you turn on tow haul on push button twice. Second time has more draw back. I run F450’s Tows better with gear ratio

Very interesting & informative.

Love it thank y’all

Tow Piglet!!!! HELL YEAH BROTHER! You gonna convince him in a Diamond C? BAD CHERRY. If Dodge goes with a 10 Speed, hope they do not de-rate the engine.

X2 on the 450 test drive I’d love to see you test one out! Badcherry

Is that on fire?? 😂 I see what you did there. Nice that you had a collab.

As a die hard ford guy I’d have to agree that nothing beats a cummins engine brake. Been wanting ford to make an actual engine brake.

Tow piglet ! How cool is that 😬👋🏻

bad cherry. good video guys!

Speaking of cherries..I just got some of y'all s California grown cherries waaay down yonder in East Central fl... Y'all do a few things pretty good (from pt. Conception North) 🤘

Love tow 🐖 great guy !

Awesome videos. Since you have tested Ram and Ford, you should try to get a GM and try the same load up the same hills. Even if your not a GM fan, I imagine it would be good for views. Keep up the awesome vids! Bad Cherry!

Bad cherry. Thanks for sharing.

We have a 2011 f-350 6.7 power stroke and it tows amazing

Great information! Bad cherry.

Did you hit the button for the exhaust brack its in the middle above the radio

Bad Cherry? Well, up until about 27 minute mark, I was getting nervous fer all yer Dodges. I was gonna send you a check and take 'em all off yer hands. But then, you professed yer loyalty, and i thought, Damn, that was close! Welcome back to the fold.

What.... Dang your getting some high end name's on here first Dixie Mae now tow piglet.... Who's next??? Also you were so close to my house. On the last stop👍. That is a big hill to climb

Awesome video

Bad Cherry great video.