Toxicity Tierlist with Cope | Dead by Daylight

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not Otzdarva

not Otzdarva

Күн бұрын

So Cope and I got together and had a super heated debate about toxicity in DBD. Apologies in advance for all of the screaming and shouting, he's just a bit wild.
0:00:00 Intro
0:00:54 T-Bagging
0:02:56 Doxxing/DDosing/IRL Stuff
0:04:47 Post-game Chat Ranting
0:05:44 Hatemail in Chats/DMs/Profiles
0:07:08 Stream Sniping
0:10:48 Dodging Lobbies
0:13:24 "Bully" Squads
0:17:14 Cheating
0:18:03 Exploits
0:20:33 Deranking MMR
0:23:09 Filters/Config. Editing
0:28:23 Anti-Fun Perks
0:30:20 Full Facecamping
0:35:35 Hard Tunneling
0:39:26 Denying Achievements
0:43:04 "Techs"
0:46:28 Going Full Meta
0:49:36 Bringing 4 Slowdown Perks
0:51:35 Hiding Indefinetely
0:54:22 Full Bleedout
0:57:16 Disconnecting (1 Survivor)
1:00:46 Disconnecting (Killer/Full Team)
1:01:55 Finished List
Our guest: / cope
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@visscolter5324
@visscolter5324 Жыл бұрын
To balance things out you'll have to do a greatest acts of kindness tier list 😄
@gleeetenderers7926
@gleeetenderers7926 Жыл бұрын
Ideas: Dropping items for other players Bringing last survivor to hatch Visiting streamer after game and complimenting them Helping killer when a teammate is cheating
@kaib6998
@kaib6998 Жыл бұрын
@@gleeetenderers7926 -seeing someone being sandbagged and not using that to your advantage but rather go for the sandbagger -helping others to get their achievement -as a killer, letting someone finish their glyph before hitting them
@terriblyterrified8742
@terriblyterrified8742 Жыл бұрын
going easier on the remaining survivors when 2 or 3 others dc from the match?
@Name-ql7jf
@Name-ql7jf Жыл бұрын
Best DBD wholesome in game memes list
@geostorm8192
@geostorm8192 Жыл бұрын
@@gleeetenderers7926 boop the snoot
@imatrapcard3641
@imatrapcard3641 Жыл бұрын
At this point, Otz may rate every survivors hairstyle
@Mr_Dancy_Pants
@Mr_Dancy_Pants Жыл бұрын
As long as Vittorio is in S tier.
@nailwind
@nailwind Жыл бұрын
Fabio hair Felix is pretty S-tier
@Mr_Dancy_Pants
@Mr_Dancy_Pants Жыл бұрын
Bald Dwight is 404 Tier- Hair Not Found
@opaulada8236
@opaulada8236 Жыл бұрын
and i'll still fucking watch his 20-hour-video about that
@luckycorn8590
@luckycorn8590 Жыл бұрын
Laurie Vittorio and Mikaela win
@ivisaboss2319
@ivisaboss2319 Жыл бұрын
I love how cope just confesses to doing everything on the list 😂
@shirokku3279
@shirokku3279 Жыл бұрын
Keeping it real, I can respect that hahaha. I feel like most of us have done at least half of these things by accident if not on purpose. Many times likely out of frustration.
@Kate-dn9hx
@Kate-dn9hx Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 109 more people care about their comment than yours rn soooo
@SpookyYetPolite
@SpookyYetPolite Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 The dedication, zamn
@Drimirin
@Drimirin Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 What a pathetic little life you must have.
@adelineboswell6791
@adelineboswell6791 Жыл бұрын
@@shirokku3279 oh my goodness, the number of times I accidentally T-bagged the killer mid-chase because I hit the wrong key in a panic 🙃 always feel bad about that.
@PotatoGuidanceMissle
@PotatoGuidanceMissle Жыл бұрын
Toxicity on the Survivor side: *angry typing, clicking flashlights, teabagging, constant harassment* Toxicity on the Killer side: *angry typing, slapping survivors on hook, forcing bleed out, constant harassment* the Entity: let us match these players with the most wholesome and fun-loving players to ruin their love of the game.
@Helena-me6mp
@Helena-me6mp Жыл бұрын
honestly i think its pretty funny when a killer just spams M1 at the hook XD
@suricatal
@suricatal Жыл бұрын
@@Helena-me6mp i do that when i get teabagged lul teabag again you little shit while slashing
@Helena-me6mp
@Helena-me6mp Жыл бұрын
@@suricatal XD same
@jansantander9020
@jansantander9020 Жыл бұрын
The other day I had to bleed out a full squad that was all going boil over and sabo 😭. Still if u don't want me to hook y'all I won't (I couldn't).
@Valgient
@Valgient Жыл бұрын
I disagree with clicking flashlights, I personally do it for fun not as BM, it’s not something that should be toxic
@Blargel
@Blargel Жыл бұрын
Cope: I think that belongs in "not nice" and here's a story of a personal experience I had about this. *tells of a war crime being committed to him* Otz: And you think that's only "not nice"???
@ZTGallagher
@ZTGallagher Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's like Cope was aggressively against acknowledging some people's bad behavior. Like, if people behaved that way if I invited over to my house to play boardgames, I'd never invite them back. And Cope would be there like "Dude all he did was brag and jeer everyone all game. It's fine."
@arshadzaidi4667
@arshadzaidi4667 Жыл бұрын
@@ZTGallagher Its a videogame, not real life though. If they did it in person, then yeah it'd be more disrespectful.
@ZTGallagher
@ZTGallagher Жыл бұрын
@@arshadzaidi4667 That's always been a poor excuse to me. We play video games in real life. It's not computers playing against each other. I, as a person, still have to deal with their behavior, as a person.
@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647
@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647 Жыл бұрын
@@ZTGallagher I'm glad someone else thinks this. I never understood the logic that the means of communication somehow affects the severity of what is being communicated. I have unironically met people who defend people telling each other to commit "sewer slide" under the pretense of "Bro it's just an end game chat lol it's fine". Or "Well that's his twitch chat he can say whatever he wants freedom of speech". Like take Uno. A game you can play both in person and online. If I play a Draw 4 on the same friend, once in person and once online, it's suddenly ok (Or at least not as bad) for him to call me slurs online? Like in person it's bad but online he can call me a slur? He's calling me the same thing all the same and it's just as insulting all the same. But no we always just tell the side being harrassed to grow thicker skin. We tell people to just "deal with it" but don't encourage the other side to be better.
@AttorneyGamer
@AttorneyGamer Жыл бұрын
@@arshadzaidi4667 and that is exactly the piss poor way of thinking that causes people to act like assholes online. It is a real life communication...not sure what reality you live in but players do not stop being real people in video games.
@The_Mister_Jey
@The_Mister_Jey Жыл бұрын
Otz and Cope: *talking about endgame chat complaints* Me, a console player: I don't have such weaknesses
@Overlegion
@Overlegion Жыл бұрын
Private messages: Hold my beer 😭
@Diphenhydra
@Diphenhydra Жыл бұрын
I had to turn off messages because of how many toxic messages I would get. And I’ve been around the block. MW2 chat lobbies, never got messages outside of it. Trolling infected CoD Ghosts matches, didn’t get too many. I played maybe 20 hours of killer, with cross play on, and I got more toxic messages outside of the game than any other time I’ve played a multiplayer game.
@eriiicj.1558
@eriiicj.1558 Жыл бұрын
Def nothing like getting called Satan through a message that also goes to your phone app 😮‍💨
@shirokku3279
@shirokku3279 Жыл бұрын
As a PC player with crossplay on, I've found some really fast typers on console xD I'd be going "gg", haven't gotten to push Enter yet and there's already a 1000 word paragraph from a survivor detailing the precise position and implements with which I should go fuck myself.
@Barec76
@Barec76 Жыл бұрын
@@shirokku3279 And how are they messaging you cause console doesn't have end game chat
@ganymede6295
@ganymede6295 Жыл бұрын
My problem with bully squads is that the squads fun requires them making someone else's experience less fun. It sucks to be a new/casual player (or anyone trying to just play a game they like) and have a bully squad in your first game, it can sour you on the experience very quickly
@SrMadru
@SrMadru Жыл бұрын
Mmr stops that from happening
@flenx4383
@flenx4383 Жыл бұрын
@@SrMadru mmr doesn't work most of the time so yeah he get that point
@flenx4383
@flenx4383 Жыл бұрын
@@SrMadru its happen to my friend hes new to dbd and get sabo squad that made him dc
@SrMadru
@SrMadru Жыл бұрын
@@flenx4383 we both have different experiences clearly but i made a new account (not smurfing, lost the old one) and 50 hours in i have not run into bully squads
@adelineboswell6791
@adelineboswell6791 Жыл бұрын
Hey your name matches my pfp! Yes, I was definitely discouraged after being bullied and giving up as killer, only to have the survivors do no gens for quite a while and just try to harass me to get a reaction while afk. When I play, I try to keep in mind the experience of the other side, so no full face camping or bleeding out, and no excessive bullying. Never really been in a swf that was able to get away with bullying like that (and not high enough skill to pull it off), but if I see that the killer is getting discouraged and having a hard time, I'll go easier on them. Love the idea of helping the killer take out a cheating survivor. Ayrun did a video recently where he had a bully squad take on a poor bubba. After harassing him and goofing off for 45 min, bubba got at least a 3k and got to rancor mori a guy. If I was gonna do some stupid mechanics, I'd want to let the killer have me at the end of it as compensation for the silly antics.
@alekizzu4705
@alekizzu4705 Жыл бұрын
4:40 last night I played a game and the dude who died first waitrd until the end just to tell me "I hope your favourite tooth decays and it hurts when you bite into your favourite foods" that one literally made my day
@triniskittles_
@triniskittles_ Жыл бұрын
Lmfao that's such a good one 😭💀
@thedoomslayer5863
@thedoomslayer5863 Жыл бұрын
Almost as evil as "I hope every pillow you ever lay your head on at night is steamy hot"
@chozo_artifact2
@chozo_artifact2 10 ай бұрын
I do enjoy the creative ones
@koffiya9184
@koffiya9184 Жыл бұрын
> Just loses a game and gets t-bagged from inside exit gate > This video gets instantly posted and recommended to me Otz.. how did you.. ?
@mateomiranda2635
@mateomiranda2635 Жыл бұрын
Probably a coincidence which is sad tbh
@abubaytnighan6480
@abubaytnighan6480 Жыл бұрын
There is always a killer being tbagged somewhere on Earth at all times
@martasudrabina2900
@martasudrabina2900 Жыл бұрын
ehhh, this is why i just don't go to exit gates anymore. never worth it :D
@aurotoiras_ttv
@aurotoiras_ttv Жыл бұрын
"Hi friends this is otz, I'm living inside your walls."
@gleeetenderers7926
@gleeetenderers7926 Жыл бұрын
@@martasudrabina2900 -Starts running bloodwarden to counter people t bagging in exit gates - not running anything to allow 1-hit killing people so can’t do anything to down healthy survivors in exit gates -bloodwarden outlines survivors in exit gates aura, allows you to see them t-bagging It’s that easy 😎
@heskymarky
@heskymarky Жыл бұрын
It really speaks to your charisma and the overall quality of your vids that I watch and enjoy every single one without having played dbd in my life
@VVen0m
@VVen0m Жыл бұрын
I've been watching this guy for almost 6 years now and I only started playing the game 4 months ago lol
@websiteusage518
@websiteusage518 Жыл бұрын
you are welcome in the fog if you ever decide to play :)
@notOtzdarva
@notOtzdarva Жыл бұрын
You are too kind my friend.
@flasco5445
@flasco5445 Жыл бұрын
Me too bud his videos are so entertaining.
@memshad_
@memshad_ Жыл бұрын
Wow really? I wonder what it feels like to only know the game through this medium.
@fizzizist
@fizzizist Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think the thing is with t-bagging in Dead by Daylight and how killers can get really frustrated themselves isn't how rude t-bagging is. T-bagging in games is usually done during matches rather than the end of matches in which people have the possibility of getting back at t-baggers. Though, 9 times out of 10, all t-bagging done to piss people off is done when the exit gates are open and the survivors are at the gate. Even I get pissed off from time to time to this because it isn't the actions itself, it's that I know they're full of shit and stroking their ego when the match is essentially done. I feel like they don't get the right to t-bag after the SWF sends me to Ormond and all of them are running gen-rush perks. It ain't that the action itself is offensive, but just the surrounding factors of it.
@arkirron7172
@arkirron7172 3 ай бұрын
Exactly, the intention behind it is what makes it bad. Kind of what baffled me when they put hard tunnelling in “not nice” whilst putting tbagging in “fine”, when most players are just tbagging to try to rub it in and piss someone off, it doesn’t really serve any purpose outside of that, where as tunnelling is a legitimate strategy, otz even does it in some of his games like when he’s had a rough game or the survivors have brought strong stuff and he’s in a rough spot. So a bit weird tbagging got ranked as less toxic, when most people are doing it literally just to be toxic in this game, as opposed to a situational strategy.
@JamesBond-vi2eh
@JamesBond-vi2eh 2 ай бұрын
nah its rude stfu
@TrueCarthaginian
@TrueCarthaginian Жыл бұрын
I don't think Cope is taking into consideration the average player in these scenarios. He seems to only be looking at these things from a content creator with thousands of hours perspective.
@Cystro
@Cystro Жыл бұрын
Being mean in twitch chat: Mortal Sin Fully denying someone's ability to play the game by facecamping as Cannibal: erm.... not nice I guess bordering on fine
@Her_Viscera
@Her_Viscera Жыл бұрын
I dont know much about Cope but I really did not enjoy his presence or opinion in this vid. He seems burnt out!
@danikamcleod707
@danikamcleod707 Жыл бұрын
@@Her_Viscera yeah I felt the same. Or maybe he felt his play style was being called out because he seemed to defend things like tunneling and camping. I’m not familiar with his play style at all so idk, but yeah. That’s what I took from it.
@v1p3r62
@v1p3r62 Жыл бұрын
@@danikamcleod707 He's a survivor main with like 8k hours or something. Honestly haven't watched any of his stuff but checked him out cause he was in a 1v1 video made by Otz and he lost him lol
@jacho4625
@jacho4625 Жыл бұрын
I'm really not okay with the bully squads being into "Not Okay". I barely play killer because I'm too afraid of seeing these men, I swear they deserve a worse category than only "Not Okay"...
@krismelton2386
@krismelton2386 Жыл бұрын
Hello this is subscriber, at least if you check your analytics
@fmbysUwU
@fmbysUwU Жыл бұрын
your*
@gabriellef
@gabriellef Жыл бұрын
You are analytics
@nicholasrodriguez1772
@nicholasrodriguez1772 Жыл бұрын
Funniest comment ever
@thedutywarlord264
@thedutywarlord264 Жыл бұрын
@@nicholasrodriguez1772 bot
@krismelton2386
@krismelton2386 Жыл бұрын
@@thedutywarlord264 definitely
@Woofanoofus
@Woofanoofus Жыл бұрын
On the exploit part and Otz was talking about how people almost never move out of spots where you can’t pick them up. I agree entirely and when I couldn’t pick a Feng up I thought she would stay there until someone could come get her. I was sad, but then she moved out of the spot. It was so nice of her! I really respect that Feng, and appreciate that she didn’t use that to their advantage. I wish I could have thanked them in end game chat but they weren’t steam or epicgames
@gwennygrausamt
@gwennygrausamt Жыл бұрын
Can you see that you can’t get picked up? I don’t play DbD so I’m not sure if I would realize it if it would happen to me and maybe some players just don’t know about it and think the killer just doesn’t want to pick them up.
@TheDoomSheep
@TheDoomSheep Жыл бұрын
@@gwennygrausamt As a survivor you can't know for sure if you're in a spot the killer can't get you but you should notice the killer walk around a little to try to get in a position to pickup especially if they're looking down at you and not forward as if looking for other survivors. But also yea a new survivor player may not know that kind of exploit exists, you're right.
@GoldKitsuneBrony
@GoldKitsuneBrony Жыл бұрын
If they just run to where I can't hook them, fine. I'll leave their ass on the ground and now a team mate has to bale you out or you gotta burn an unbreakable.
@josephhiers9523
@josephhiers9523 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes uou do literally get stuck. I've been stuck in a wall a couple of times
@davidcorodeanu4535
@davidcorodeanu4535 Жыл бұрын
i mean filters are okay legit i have to use them to see something because my eyes are bad so it's just to be able to see normally the nvidia setting are totally okay
@mouthwide0pen
@mouthwide0pen Жыл бұрын
i feel like this tierlist could have benefitted from a "fine but annoying" tier. like a "theres nothing wrong with doing this and i wont fault you for doing it, i just wish you *wouldn't* do it." for things like full meta, 4 slowdown, anti fun perks, etc
@FailToilet
@FailToilet Жыл бұрын
Yeah they're too politicley correct and forget they care less than the avg player cause first and for most they make money out of it.
@mouthwide0pen
@mouthwide0pen Жыл бұрын
@@FailToilet What are you fucking on about?
@hbombdaboss97
@hbombdaboss97 Жыл бұрын
@@FailToilet I mean these two are extremely good at the game. They’re ranking these in the order they see fit. Not for the average player.
@Jackn17_
@Jackn17_ 10 ай бұрын
I think ‘anti-fun perks’ aren’t actually ‘anti-fun’, they’re just uno reverses of fun lol, so i would have put them in the ‘good’ category. Typically the “fun” that survivors would try to go for, would be unfun for the killer, just like the “anti-fun” perks are unfun for the survivor. It’s fair-game
@user-xm2gi8rx5c
@user-xm2gi8rx5c Жыл бұрын
4 people tbagging a D tier killer at the exit gate: It’s fine
@ShaadeGaming
@ShaadeGaming Жыл бұрын
im like fine with that too but if u really just builled the F out of me the whole game. Like come on dont ruin my day even more its like, i had a tough game let it be and just leave. u know ^^
@user-xm2gi8rx5c
@user-xm2gi8rx5c Жыл бұрын
@@ShaadeGaming yep, that’s what I mean
@lesarXD
@lesarXD Жыл бұрын
just force them out and dont take it personally
@herrmuster5272
@herrmuster5272 Жыл бұрын
@@lesarXD or dont go the exitgate. I mean if you clearly lost without any chance of getting someone i dont need to go there to watch them leave. i can sit the timer on my phone. Everybody hates losing, but i dont have to indulge them. And suddenly its way less worse
@maxfrog4
@maxfrog4 Жыл бұрын
It is fine, just ignore them and move on to the next game
@TheOnlyNial
@TheOnlyNial Жыл бұрын
The actual tierlist in Dead By Daylight i never knew i need
@flatlo
@flatlo Жыл бұрын
I care.
@taoisimdrunkard
@taoisimdrunkard Жыл бұрын
i spent an entire match as myers trying to get enough for evil within for unlimited tier 3 and insta kill. no hooks and the gates have been opened. mikaela in the exit, right at the boundary, stood still long enough to get enough stalk, tbaging and being cute. she couldnt exit fast enough and when the kill animation was done, she was thrown over the escape boundary. felt so good!
@BakrisKills
@BakrisKills Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 havin a bad day? On a video about toxicity you decide to find a comment that triggers your reptile brain to be a bozo. Lol get a life and leave other ppl alone. No one cares you have a bad life and want to lash out at others because your an insecure clown.
@sxar3447
@sxar3447 Жыл бұрын
I care. Good job, the satisfactory kill is always the best
@RedBloodAura
@RedBloodAura Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 do you copy and paste that message for every comment?
@DamienCloud
@DamienCloud Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 why are you being the way you are, why do you have to choose to try to hurt others that you don't even know, is it attention you want?
@DamienCloud
@DamienCloud Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 Well you're a pretty sad person an a nuisance to planet earth and I wish you don't reproduce, good day
@dartrunner
@dartrunner Жыл бұрын
What annoys me about tbagging is not the tbagging, but it's the fact that someone is trying to upset someone else in a video game and taunt them. It makes me sad that the only way they can have fun is to try to make people upset
@Greenleaf_
@Greenleaf_ Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's just disrespectful, and kills any sort of "immersion" you may have that this is still a horror game. Also I hate the justification of "oh I'm not doing it to be mean it's just fun to press ctrl." Pretty insulting to others intelligence to say such a stupid lie.
@DalekSquirrel
@DalekSquirrel Жыл бұрын
@@Greenleaf_ True, no one ever complains about pressing ctrl to teammates. That's different from teabagging which is done at the opponent, idk why people have a hard time separating ctrl ctrl "heal me" and ctrl ctrl "f u killer."
@kinroga
@kinroga Жыл бұрын
​@@DalekSquirrel ya then you also got the people that will tea bag at the exit gate till the very last second of the timer and then say "its just me saying good bye and gg" I just image all 30 of those crouches being its own "gg" and someone just repeating "gg,gg,gg,gg....." Over and over again.
@wolfshadowshy
@wolfshadowshy Жыл бұрын
@@Greenleaf_ it's such a damn lie, "oh yea i'm flipping off the opposing team and gesturing at my genitals to say gg and have a little fun hehehe"
@vl2796
@vl2796 Жыл бұрын
Its just taunting, aka showing off to the other side that they failed to kill you, literally nothing wrong with that
@sanquinlily
@sanquinlily Жыл бұрын
This feels like a strange tierlist, because the ranges of bad intent and effects are so huge.
@The_Foxymew
@The_Foxymew Жыл бұрын
I feel like every time Otz goes out of his way to explain what he means, about which situations does and does not apply to what they're talking about, the first thing Cope says is almost always "But in [situation you said didn't count] I think it's fine"
@MokiHunter
@MokiHunter Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 I mean apparently you did enough to take the time to reply/comment 😂
@sacrificiallamb4089
@sacrificiallamb4089 Жыл бұрын
@@MokiHunter I’ve seen them on other comments I think it might be a bot
@ExecutionerOfPosers
@ExecutionerOfPosers Жыл бұрын
@@sacrificiallamb4089 probably just a fatherless 12 yr fapping all day on femboys
@salacious_manque
@salacious_manque Жыл бұрын
Cope was obtuse at times.
@arshadzaidi4667
@arshadzaidi4667 Жыл бұрын
Pretty he was just saying it to make things clear to the audience and make things abundantly clear. I think he went a bit overboard, but I don't think he was doing it maliciously or anything like that.
@logandaugherty492
@logandaugherty492 Жыл бұрын
I think why people get upset by t-bagging is that they are already feeling pretty bad after losing a game, and the other team decided to do something that the killer cant really do anything to stop. Especially when you're a baby killer, getting stomped in a 4 v 1 game can feel pretty defeating
@wjzav1971
@wjzav1971 Жыл бұрын
I think its just some major disrespect to the other side that isn't necessary. Imagine a basketball match where one side is clearly winning but each time the winning team throws a hoop they openly mock the loosing team and rub it in their faces how much they suck. Like, if you are simply better at the game and playing to your full capacity, good for you, but no reason to be a dick about it.
@nikkis.2066
@nikkis.2066 Жыл бұрын
It's annoying and bad sportsmanship behavior imo, is it going to absolutely ruin my day? No but it's the equivalent of spitting on the ground while playing a sport, or not handshaking at the end if a Soccer game...it's just pointless and rude. It's use is 100% from juicers and 1000+ hour players looping players and teabagging after a pallet stun or vaulting a windowed. Cope really had nothing of value to say why it isn't considered bad or rude behavior. Was such a half-assed response and imo, it's absolutely the gateway to more toxic shit ppl can do towards other players. Wonder of he teabags Killers or not...
@abdyorozco4092
@abdyorozco4092 Жыл бұрын
The funny part is the ones Tbagging will also be the DC if they are first down
@meki1420
@meki1420 Жыл бұрын
I feel like we should redo this video with polls on twitch chat. it would be cool to see variety from the community's opinion.
@geekachu1519
@geekachu1519 Жыл бұрын
As someone who has never even heard of Cope up until now, I feel like he's being a bit too generous with some of the things on the list and Otz is just kinda going with it
@cosmicdust2668
@cosmicdust2668 Жыл бұрын
Fair, but he's just less bothered by those things and those are his genuine opinions from his experiences. It's a good thing to have people be so tilt proof
@geekachu1519
@geekachu1519 Жыл бұрын
@@cosmicdust2668 True, I think it's good that he's more tolerant to those things and I don't have a problem with that. It just felt like he was focusing on the best case scenarios a bit too much in a tierlist about toxicity, y'know?
@jordins2875
@jordins2875 Жыл бұрын
@@geekachu1519 agreed
@Wraggle3000
@Wraggle3000 Жыл бұрын
@@cosmicdust2668 He's a survivor main though isnt he? Idk much about the guy so I dont like being too negative but to me it just seemed like he was part of the problem so he cant say anything about it.
@AlsoMeowskivich
@AlsoMeowskivich Жыл бұрын
I'll also add onto the thing about configs: for myself, I have a terrible time seeing *anything* in dark games. DBD included. In maps like RPD where there are hallways that are pitch black, I'd be caught on numerous things that I literally can not see. This happens both as survivor and killer and it just gets frustrating, so when brightness settings are available in games, I tend to crank that to max. I already have poor enough vision as is, I don't really need the game making me completely blind, and it's always a relief when that option is added to a game.
@ShaadeGaming
@ShaadeGaming Жыл бұрын
Gardens corners is beyond impossible to see anything if u have the right costmetic xD
@itookaonabookanyway7385
@itookaonabookanyway7385 Жыл бұрын
@@ShaadeGaming just play blendette and die to end game collapse for the realism of being a map object
@sunny2523
@sunny2523 Жыл бұрын
omg same! like I get for atmosphere reasons some maps are really dark but the amount of times ive fumbled a chase cuz I couldn't see scratch marks or got caught on something is ridiculous
@Ryethekit
@Ryethekit Жыл бұрын
I feel like bleeding out should've been put on the same level as egc- It sorta does the same thing. If you hide at egc as a survivor, you're holding the killer there till you die. If you bleed the survivor out as a killer, you're holding the survivor there till they die 🤔
@kasjomis
@kasjomis Жыл бұрын
I initally thought that too, but I think they kept thinking of the pre-egc example - the survivor can hold the game hostage for much longer - the killer can bleed you out only until you die. we now do have the egc so I think comparing those examples is not really fair. since you can't avoid the egc without hacking I think both are rude, but not really bannable
@Ryethekit
@Ryethekit Жыл бұрын
@@kasjomis Yeah, I think that's fair. Getting bled out honestly doesn't bother me that much when I'm playing solo queue, it really only bothers me when I'm playing with friends and they have to wait on me, haha. Though I had the funniest game the other day! No joke, the killer bled me out at the end because I used pallets in chase 😂🤣
@WutTheDeuceGaming
@WutTheDeuceGaming Жыл бұрын
bleeding out is rare imo. I've only experienced it a couple of times as a survivor and that was because the person was slugging. I've only done it twice as a killer and that was only because it was a 4 man swf who were being toxic the entire game. The thing about hiding forever, is just that. There is no timer. I've seen plenty of duos that hide forever before the egc even happens. On big maps that have plenty of lockers, finding someone can take ages.
@Ryethekit
@Ryethekit Жыл бұрын
@@WutTheDeuceGaming Either you're lucky or I'm really unlucky! I run into bleeding out all the time, honestly. I had one day where killers would either bleed me/the entire team out, just all day long. I don't even do anything considered toxic either. I don't teabag, point, anything. Worst I do is maybe stare at the killer across the pallet/window? Lmao
@Flextray
@Flextray Жыл бұрын
I've had like 5 games this week where i was last survivor and all other teammates dead, bled out. At first, I thought they were giving me hatch but then they bleed me out and hook me last second. It usually happens when i loop the killer a bunch.
@ThePhantomSquee
@ThePhantomSquee Жыл бұрын
One of my last matches was against a 4-man who sent me to old Haddonfield as Trapper. After two gens popped with only one hit, the survivors I hadn't been chasing all stood on a balcony nodding at me. It wasn't particularly toxic, I suppose, and disconnecting certainly wasn't sporting of me, but I took that as a sign of how the match was likely to go, and I think it was the best decision for my mental health.
@BunnyAce
@BunnyAce 11 ай бұрын
Remove map offerings, don't know why it's not already done (and balance the maps)
@morgitoe
@morgitoe Жыл бұрын
With the bully squads, one time I actually cried because I was getting shit on so hard that I felt like the most useless thing in the world
@thedirectorscut4848
@thedirectorscut4848 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@hbombdaboss97
@hbombdaboss97 Жыл бұрын
LMAOOO
@notleonskennedy
@notleonskennedy Жыл бұрын
yea, it can be tough. but remember that it's never personal and if someone is really being mean, they're just having a bad day and are letting it out in a game. there's always another, nicer lobby just around the corner
@xxprototypexx5056
@xxprototypexx5056 Жыл бұрын
@@notleonskennedy "it's never personal" laughs in DM's
@SLNTKNGHT-xj7nl
@SLNTKNGHT-xj7nl Жыл бұрын
i usually get bored with the bully squads. personally its annoying for like a minute until I realize what's happening. honestly the best thing you can do is just walk away.
@Weskin_Time775
@Weskin_Time775 Жыл бұрын
I love how Otz and Cope can talk about this really tilting stuff so analytically, it’s kind of funny :)
@Weskin_Time775
@Weskin_Time775 Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 Did I ask you if I cared? No? Frequent attention seeking is a common sign of lacking a father figure.
@LordFerbombi
@LordFerbombi Жыл бұрын
@@Weskin_Time775 LMAO
@QOArkaria
@QOArkaria Жыл бұрын
Especially with the gripper pfp 💀bros weird
@connorwilliams2919
@connorwilliams2919 Жыл бұрын
@@Weskin_Time775 this is SO fucking funny (ur comeback)
@arshadzaidi4667
@arshadzaidi4667 Жыл бұрын
@@Weskin_Time775 No reason to respond to a troll lol. You're giving them the attention they want.
@mscup8814
@mscup8814 Жыл бұрын
Cope is such a great co-host for discussions like this, he's not afraid to challenge Otz on his ideas or rankings and will say what he thinks. Love that.
@kinroga
@kinroga Жыл бұрын
Love otzs opinions but i also love seeing someone stand by their own opinion. After all its just opinions not facts
@mscup8814
@mscup8814 Жыл бұрын
what a nice thing to say
@Her_Viscera
@Her_Viscera Жыл бұрын
@@haiz768 bro is actually saying that he "doesn't care" on a bunch of different comments. Irony is cool 😎
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Жыл бұрын
No way man, he sounded so entitled especially when talking about Twitch ranting.
@ABSEUDUS
@ABSEUDUS Жыл бұрын
I feel that "evil incarnate" part so hard, I spent 4 hours one evening to get that and so many survivors admitted in chat afterwards, they knew I aim for that and denied it on purpose... ...almost went insane that evening... (still don't have it because it didn't trigger somehow, even though I killed 4 people on tombstone)
@EG1717
@EG1717 Жыл бұрын
I finally got it last night after like 3000 bloodwebs to get tombstone add on and fighting for my life to get it - and then yup, it didn’t trigger. Almost threw my monitor and myself out the window and I really don’t get tilted that often
@ABSEUDUS
@ABSEUDUS Жыл бұрын
@@EG1717 Yeah, that was freaking painful >.> know exactly how that feels
@karesz23
@karesz23 Жыл бұрын
you can use enduring, its much harder for them to deny. just be a bit patient
@ABSEUDUS
@ABSEUDUS Жыл бұрын
@@karesz23 how does Enduring (getting 50% less stun time on pallet stuns) help on survivors hiding in lockers to not be hit by t3 myers kill? 🤔 EDIT: or on the achievement not triggering because the trigger between game and steam is broken?
@karesz23
@karesz23 Жыл бұрын
@@ABSEUDUS i mean if they hide in a locker you can carry them away, and catch up to them after they wiggle out before they get in the next locker
@Aci_yt
@Aci_yt Жыл бұрын
I'd love to fill this out myself, do you have a link to the tierlist by any chance? :)
@Toredos_4242
@Toredos_4242 Жыл бұрын
Bully squad is 100% in Offensive category, at least because these players intend to offense the killer, even if they fail. Plus such squads use most of the other toxic things mentioned in this tierlist and multiply their effect by 4
@MythicTF2
@MythicTF2 Жыл бұрын
I mean, what people label as a "Bully" Squad is what Otz & Cope talked about. There are actual bully squads whos objectives are just to upset the killer but honestly, people will and do label 4-man SWFs who are just trying to do goofy stuff as bully squads a lot, which is what Otz & Cope were discussing. At least thats my take on it.
@domphilbrick
@domphilbrick Жыл бұрын
@@MythicTF2 Exactly. Groups of people trying to screw around with weird builds are often called bully squads and lumped in with the more toxic people, but they aren’t doing anything wrong. I think they’re fun to play against too, since it forces me to adapt to strategies I’m not used to.
@Toredos_4242
@Toredos_4242 Жыл бұрын
@@MythicTF2 annoying builds is not the only thing that makes a squad «bully». Bу itself build falls into «Anti-fun perks», which is not that bad
@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura
@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura Жыл бұрын
My guy the majority of bullysquads are swfs who are playing for fun not wins. Just because people have different playstyles doesn't mean they are legitimate bullies. It's not offensive at all Otz and Cope already went over how some are genuinely toxic but most of it is just 16 year olds getting flashlight saves and spins, who'll die anyway. There is no intended offence to the Killer, that's just how Killers end up perceiving it because they're very aggressive Survivors Killers aren't use to. I've literally made friends with people who 'bullied' me before. They're just good players.
@Toredos_4242
@Toredos_4242 Жыл бұрын
​@@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura I have to agree, that IF we define «bullysquads» the same way as Otz and Cope, it's not that evil. It's just me never defining bullysquad this way. I met SWF who stunlocked me but never teabagged or mocked the other way, and we had a really nice chat after the game... For me, bullysquad is just SFW bullies, and their bullying may combine any sins from this video
@Toredos_4242
@Toredos_4242 Жыл бұрын
The worst part of streamsniping is not demanding attention, but getting unfair advantage in the form of your whereabouts and other information
@acetrainersylph7953
@acetrainersylph7953 Жыл бұрын
That aspect doesnt really matter in DBD, since survivors have so many aura reading perks and after awhile of playing gain a lot of map/killer knowledge so it really isnt hard for the average survivor to often know the killers location every few seconds and know where certain things may be placed. If you played trapper and survivors constantly avoided your traps because they know you'd place them at strong looping/pallet locations, you wouldnt call them a stream sniper. And information is very easy for survivirs and killers to obtain with the use of perks
@Toredos_4242
@Toredos_4242 Жыл бұрын
@@acetrainersylph7953 according to your logic wallhacking would be fine as well
@acetrainersylph7953
@acetrainersylph7953 Жыл бұрын
@@Toredos_4242 lol are you dumb? Theres a difference between wallhacking (cheating) and streamsniping. One is blatantly chesting/hacking and the other is just watching a stream which isnt bannable. God this community is full of dumb idiots such as yourself who always go to the most drastic example to try and win an arguement, ignoring all sense of logic. Wallhacking is hacking and cheating and against ToS, whereas streamsniping isnt. Maybe go back to school and learn the difference? Also perhaps try touching grass and not taking a videogame way too seriously
@Toredos_4242
@Toredos_4242 Жыл бұрын
@@acetrainersylph7953 I never said streamsniping is banable, but it is definitely not fair. Both cheat and stream are a third-party tool which can give player information he was not supposed to get in-game either so easily or at all God this community is full of agressive people triggered for no reason. Maybe go back to parents and learn some manners. Try not taking chatting with someone you don't even know so seriously
@acetrainersylph7953
@acetrainersylph7953 Жыл бұрын
@@Toredos_4242 it's fair, someone makes the conscious choice to stream an online game knowing full well that stream sniping exists, and that anyone could possibly get in a game with them. It's not really cheating, its just a risk that streamers take. Any information gotten from stream sniping could easily be obtained from any aura reading perk (such as object of obsession) or just playing swf. But a fragile killer main like yourself would cry and say that SWF is cheating which it isnt. Like i said any information obtained from stream sniping could be gotten with SWF, Aura Perks, or just general map and killer knowledge. So if you say that streamsniping is cheating, then you're basically arguing that aura reading perks and playing with friends is cheating as well. No, streamsniping isnt the same as using a third party tool, i dont think you're dumb self even knows what "third party tool" even means, its a downloaded program that allows the user to give themself an advantage such as god mode, super speed, etc... Stream sniping does not allow the user to cheat, it just gives them information, something they can get via ingame means and map/killer knowledge. You dont have to download anything to stream snipe, let alone get any of the information that streamsniping provides. The only fragile one here is you, since you're clearly upset over the fact that someone disagrees with you and has called you out for your lack of knowledge at understanding what cheating/hacking is. I never said anything about streamsniping being bannable, just that its not cheating or hacking. You're the one comparing streamsniping to boatant cheats and hacks, which just doesnt work out. Boy arent you clever, just reusuing what i said and trying to make it into a diss. Gold star for effort, but why not try using that small brain of yours and coming up with something actually creative and unique instead of just reusing something. But then again based off your username, ya cant really expect a russian to be smart
@Pedro-fj5yq
@Pedro-fj5yq Жыл бұрын
15:11, reminds me of when I started playing DBD. And I wanted to try out Nemesis, just to see how he works overall. When the four players appeared, I remember seeing mostly Prestiege 50 or higher on three of them, but one had already a 100 on a Feng Min. I was really considering dodging that lobby due to that, but just went for it. And of course it turned out to be a bully squad, not that I cared much because I used that as a tentacle aim practice, and it really worked out, lol.
@muysli.y1855
@muysli.y1855 10 ай бұрын
Im same like cope it doesn't bother me, yea its annoying sometimes but i use it as a Dark Souls boss fight, practice my Gameplay and they mostly die because they are not doing gens
@HomicidalTh0r
@HomicidalTh0r Жыл бұрын
Some insights on DCs. Often times, these types of people just don't want to deal with whatever crap is happening in game. Either yet another Spirit / Nurse / Blight is picked, a team mate goes down quickly to Lethal Pursuer and end themselves on hook, so other players disconnect, or people playing insanely sweaty vs a weak killer who was just looking to have fun, etc. Any number of things can happen in game that make the result of the match already decided within the first 30 seconds that's just not worth dealing with. That being said, you can go out of your way to try to get hooked and exit legit or afk, but you'll often get salty killers that just slug you knowing what you're trying to do, or survivors that just refuse end the game just to spite you. So, in this regard, dc'ing is basically a way to skip all of that mess in hopes that it was a once off. The dc timer is basically a measure of "should I play a different game" which kind of sucks if you literally just logged in and this is the trash you're met with. That being said, after all this cheater crap kicked off and a lot of unfun play styles / killers were being spammed with new updates, I already know I'm not going to have fun, so why bother. I've decided to play a different game for a very long time now, because my style of playing the game called, "just play the game normally" is VERY uncommon. Maybe DBD being a ghost town will be better for the game. Idk.
@joho4430
@joho4430 Жыл бұрын
My favorite color of otz video is the “talk at a tier list” video, genuinely. Guy is so fun to listen to
@squidbad
@squidbad Жыл бұрын
your favorite color of otz video? what?
@joe8469
@joe8469 Жыл бұрын
@@squidbad this one is tierlist colored. what do you mean?
@galactichasyoutube775
@galactichasyoutube775 Жыл бұрын
It’s my favourite flavour of video too
@Wraggle3000
@Wraggle3000 Жыл бұрын
I personally prefer the gameplay flavor but thats probably because I dont play anymore and have stopped "needing" to know whats meta
@xYamakaze
@xYamakaze Жыл бұрын
"Toxicity tierlist with cope" I figured that would be a given! (Thanks for the vid, you guys rock.)
@ToughCanadian
@ToughCanadian Жыл бұрын
Love the longform videos and Cope is always great. Very calm cool and collected lad
@walkerking7060
@walkerking7060 Жыл бұрын
Can we make this a real podcast? Otz having a dialogue with other creators about a dbd related theme is something I didn't know I needed so badly.
@comen9015
@comen9015 Жыл бұрын
47:30 - so if we shouldn’t be insulted and judged for the way we want to play the game then what’s the point of this video?
@arkirron7172
@arkirron7172 3 ай бұрын
Fr, I don’t really get the perspective, or I’m not really sure they do either or had a solid perspective or premise for the video analysis. One minute when talking about hard tunnelling they are talking about how most people think about it, or how it is for other players generally, and the next it was cope saying “I think tbagging is fine so it’s fine”. Like if you just take the perspective of and rating it by “just dont be sensitive and don’t get triggered by things” then literally everything is fine so that point is stupid. Intention is what makes things toxic or not imo and they completely missed the point of that.
@purpleranger5987
@purpleranger5987 Жыл бұрын
I finished watching the last video you made with Cope and I’m glad you guys are doing another video lol
@mnistlaz9820
@mnistlaz9820 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I'm a bit salty or just make a stupid mistake, idk how to explain it but just watching Otz talk about his mistakes, what he could've done better, it makes me rationalize and I'm just like "oh, it wasn't that bad, kinda funny, looking back on it". That's just how great of an influence Otz is, and why I'm lowkey simping for him, man, How IS A HUMAN BEING SO GREAT, OTZ I LOVE YOU
@jbugTTV
@jbugTTV Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed listening to this. Great vid boys!
@Sky-kk1ft
@Sky-kk1ft Жыл бұрын
Your videos are always so informative and entertaining atsm. Love the content Otz !
@emergybro4719
@emergybro4719 Жыл бұрын
the video we didn't know we needed
@acesnipro727
@acesnipro727 Жыл бұрын
I normally dont have the attention span to watch an hour long video but this kept it until I realized I was 50 minutes in, great video to both of you
@KnightofTheBlackTemplars
@KnightofTheBlackTemplars Жыл бұрын
Man, the fact that I could get joy from this game is a miracle. A youtuber I used to watch, made dbd videos, so I learned about the game back in 2018. In 2021, I decided to get the game on my console. I had to pay for an xbox game pass subscription to play, because, along with dbd it also had multiple other games I wanted, so I hadn't bought the actual game. Due to my parents finacial situation (I was 14, now 16), I didn't want to force them to buy me a killer, so I mained Trapper mainly and played a bit of Doctor. I used to play on the living room, with that HUGE ASS TV. Due to the reflection of the sunlight or light from the lightbulbs blocking most of my screen, I had to play in complete darkness. I had my Xbox with 2 controllers since 2016. Due to Dead by Daylight, I broke both and suffered from INSANE controller drift in both. So I ahd to play in total darkness, with insane drift from the controllers I broke due to the same game and I would get bullied, teabagged, blinded and the rest constantly. The survivor often opt-ed their FOV and mouse settings so when they were about to be hit, they could just 360 their mouse and escape. I decided to try again in 2023 with the blight as a dlc killer. After multiple months and having bought multiple more killers, I have gotten a REALLY good killer and I am having lots of fun, but how I used to have fun back then and become a fan, is a miracle.
@fxvxrdrxams
@fxvxrdrxams Жыл бұрын
Tbh I always feel so warm and comfy, Otz is so chill and kind dude it bring tears to my face
@jinxysaberk
@jinxysaberk Жыл бұрын
I think when it comes down to it is you have to just allow people to get mad at certain things but those people also need to learn to let go of a bad game. It's ok to be mad at any of these things as long as you don't go into your next game and then be toxic
@DezKaiZer
@DezKaiZer Жыл бұрын
For someone called Cope this dude is way to chill :D Love seeing you both doing content together
@cyberpunk-2O77
@cyberpunk-2O77 Жыл бұрын
Bully squads being in "not nice" and stream sniping being in "offensive" is such a subjective moment.
@solarpraetor
@solarpraetor Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, would love to see some other's perspectives. Zubat, Scott, Tofu, JRM, Dowsey, etc.
@moss2148
@moss2148 Жыл бұрын
I think a lot of these change positions based on how good the player is. For example, full meta on a new/sort of new survivor/killer can allow them to learn and maybe stand a chance, and then eventually allow them to switch to something more fun. Meanwhile, full meta on a 10000 hour player is over the top as they have the skill to easily win without these perks, and still take advantage of them just to make them win even more.
@jangotossmusic3661
@jangotossmusic3661 Жыл бұрын
Hello Otz, big fan for a while, and you got me playing DBD for the first time lol. Going to use this list to make sure my dregde isn't going to infuriate my survivor friends too much
@zockerlolli996
@zockerlolli996 Жыл бұрын
very nice vid! I have one more question: you still can do a hatch standoff: What cat is this when a killer extendet the standoff only to find the last surv?
@ite547
@ite547 Жыл бұрын
On "bully squads" When I first started this game, I played killer as a friend of mine introduced me to that as a good start for the game. I found it really fun at first, good surprisingly balanced matches for the first couple of hours of playing, i was hooked in. I felt great about getting a couple or even just one kill, as I knew I was new, and it felt like i was doing good. Then came my first bully squad. I was playing huntress, they sent me to autohaven wreckers, I didnt know if that mattered or not. They flashlighted me 100 times, got themselves up off the floor and I just couldnt understand what was going on. If I stopped attacking they would just stand and flick the flashlights, not doing gens. The game took 40 mins, when I eventually managed to hook one of them 3 times, the rest of them decided it was time to end and instantly finished all the remaining gens (I later found out that this was just them 99ing all the gens, at the time it seemed unstoppable but of course i had been run around for ages). As a new player, if this had been one of my first games, I certainly would have left the game immediately. If I didn't play it with my friend I wouldnt have kept on. These squads make the game seem very toxic, and from a new player perspective you have no idea how many people are like that, if the game is just always like that. TL:DR, bully squds, have your fun, but really just dont overdo it. You're scaring off your own victims.
@ShaadeGaming
@ShaadeGaming Жыл бұрын
like every game is like this for me. Its so rare to have a normal game without feng mins looping for 5min each and teabag inbetween every pallet drop. Its so unfun. Idk how people like Otz can play killer this often id get too salty eventually just uninstall lol. I feel like the balance between actually sweatting vs "just having fun" radically drops as soon as u played a few games of dbd. Right off, ur into a high mmr lobby when u have less than 50 hours which is so unfair. Atleast seperate game modes so u can have a more "fun" mode vs the "comp" mode and the "bully around" type of mode. The devs could really do something. I know people dont change but the game can and make it so much healthier
@herrmuster5272
@herrmuster5272 Жыл бұрын
@@ShaadeGaming i mean i play a lot of low mmr since i like billy but still suck with him xD. People who tend to bully are very few. I went against 2 teams which did the last second swap. At all. In 300 h killer xD. I play more survivor. Sure there are people which can run you forever if you are a new player. But most of the time the other 3 are not. Chase them. Part of winning is to get which feng can run you for 5mins. And who can not. And i find nothing funnier than to not chase the "clicker". Let him do gens. That is the one gameaspect i am sure he wont have fun with. And if i lose there with 3 hooks total i can live with that xD. Or i start meming. Although i will admit that sometimes its hard to get into that mindset.
@SeducedByASiren
@SeducedByASiren Жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see if the toxicity levels up when you combine more of these elements. For example: Bully Squads that also exploits. So much love for this guys
@kasmon5723
@kasmon5723 Жыл бұрын
hello, i have a question to you otz. I've been playing this game ever since perks were ultra rare. And i saw your video and thought of something interesting. You were talking about toxicity levels of players during this video. Imma be honest i was banned quite a few times until now, but do you find it reasonable that devs are banning survivor for in-game playstyle behavior / exploiting bugs ? I mean bugs are devs fault anyways, and i remembers that i got banned on 2 accounts permanently: 1st one yamaoka estate rock(which was acceesible by killer too) 2nd one accidentally infinite dead hard (we just pressed e and the cooldown was non existant), on another account i got banned because i quote "toxic in game toxicity" because me and my squad find discusting to not be able to 4 man down as a killer that has 5k+ hours, at that point they just deserve to get teabagged and tech'ed. What do you think? were they indeed well deserved perma bans or were they cash grabbing methods made bay the company in order to milk money out of sightly offensive players?
@maniacalmurderer4123
@maniacalmurderer4123 Жыл бұрын
Hard tunneling has a road tunnel exit as the image I’m dead💀
@Joe-ns4ek
@Joe-ns4ek Жыл бұрын
The most important tier list to come out in years. Thank you otz and cope.
@impishlyit9780
@impishlyit9780 Жыл бұрын
Cope! I send people his name all the time!
@notOtzdarva
@notOtzdarva Жыл бұрын
Wait
@yoman6142
@yoman6142 Жыл бұрын
do you also pair it with a verb "seethe" by any chance?
@vit4mint685
@vit4mint685 Жыл бұрын
Curious of your thoughts on changing Borrowed Time to give endurance to the person performing the unhook for something like 1-3 seconds.
@tulabov
@tulabov Жыл бұрын
Wait how do I get filters? I recently got a new monitor and my game gets soooo dark on autohaven wreckers, like unable to see, does anyone know how to fix it?
@Diamond_Squid
@Diamond_Squid Жыл бұрын
25:00 understatement honestly, for those who don't know the map you can watch them running straight into walls without realising lmao
@FleqxMLG
@FleqxMLG Жыл бұрын
I would have liked to see Killer afk, and Suicide on hook to be on this list. Interested in where you'd place those.
@sanablue
@sanablue Жыл бұрын
Right! Especially suicide on hook is so annoying for the rest of the team, especially if it happens right on the first hook. It's no better than disconnecting right at the start, because it just leaves the others in a 3v1 they didn't ask for and doesn't give them any chancee to actually do anything about it. It's even worse if they are already actively trying to save someone, risking hits and downs and wasting precious gen time only to then see them kill themselves on hook. I think afk killers are just dumb, but not toxic. It's just like... why? We just do our gens, run around the killer, find out they don't move and leave. Not sure why people afk in the game at all, it's so pointless. (Although I have to say, for survivors I'd rather they afk than disconnect. Because at least, the killer can get his hook points still and the other survivors gain a few seconds from them getting hooked and potentially unhooked and stuff. If you don't want to actually play, at least stay and be a distraction) I'm aware that nobody asked, but since those weren't in the video I felt like mentioning this.
@dargus1718
@dargus1718 Жыл бұрын
Yeah or talking about survivor DC to enable hatch if I didn't miss it they skipped that part.
@ad-ne6nf
@ad-ne6nf Жыл бұрын
i cannot believe not a single flashlight clicky was mentioned but on a serious note, great video as always, and yes i know clicking is now kinda patched out
@7h0ru5
@7h0ru5 Жыл бұрын
What do you guys think about using a crosshair (modern monitors often have such an option) for "aiming" killers (huntress, deathslinger...) or flashlight pre-aim? In what category would you put that?
@Yawyna124
@Yawyna124 Жыл бұрын
Also the classic: putting a piece of tape on the center of your screen.
@HeavenBroughtMeBack
@HeavenBroughtMeBack Жыл бұрын
About the thing at 44:56. I once faced a Bubba, we got into a chase, as he was closing in on me he started his chainsaw sweep. I jumped into the closest locker I could find, he hits the locker and goes into tantrum. I managed to time getting out of the locker perfectly and got him stunned since I was running head on as my exhaustion perk. He ended up giving me hatch at the end of the game because of that play, telling me in endgame chat that he was impressed and surprised as he was not expecting the head on at all. I really appreciated him not being salty about it. He just found it funny that he got "outplayed" by a non-meta perk. Would have happily given him the kill at the end as he was playing really good. It surprises me that a lot of killers get mad and makes it their mission to get you out the game asap when you pull off one nice play with non-meta perks. I just think it's nice when people use unexpected perks, playing what they find fun every once in a while instead of always following the meta.
@sacha9957
@sacha9957 Жыл бұрын
Killer main here. I tend to give hatch to a surv who got me good, or had a great run. The exception is if a surv makes a good play, then proceeds to be a clicky, t bagging crouching assfor the remainder of the game. Then I make it a mission to deny hatch to that surv
@AppleJackSix
@AppleJackSix Жыл бұрын
2:13 “I don’t know why getting murdered bothers people, people have been murdering each other since the beginning of time. And in my friend group we flip each other off for fun, so when I do it to strangers they should magically know I’m giving them the finger as a sign of friendship even though it is universally accepted to be an insult.” Why is tbagging so hard for people to let go of? It’s toxic! We can pretend it isn’t, we can wish it wasn’t, but it just is!
@themurderofcoke
@themurderofcoke Жыл бұрын
I'd like to hear you discuss the post game chat given how censored it is. I was blown away the other night, saying "GG, sorry for genrushing, had a challenge to get 3 gens in one game" and it censored genrushing. Can people even say something offensive anymore? Worst I've said in recent memory was "I wish you would play a different game if that's how you always play, it's really not fun for survivors" to a facecamper.
@soursylveon4784
@soursylveon4784 Жыл бұрын
This just in from Otz: “Bullying people is okay as long as you and your friends have fun doing it.”
@wolfshadowshy
@wolfshadowshy Жыл бұрын
look, that pack of teenagers making fun of fat and ugly people in the street is a good thing cause they are having fun, it's fine
@rx4095
@rx4095 Жыл бұрын
That was mostly cope saying it
@dictatorshiki
@dictatorshiki Жыл бұрын
@@wolfshadowshy oh my god don't be so dramatic this is people playing a video game not actually harassing people in real life
@wolfshadowshy
@wolfshadowshy Жыл бұрын
@@dictatorshiki look, this is the kind of thing that parents should be explaining to their kids and shouldn’t be the job of random strangers on the internet, but when you’re playing video games online, those are all real people you’re interacting with
@dictatorshiki
@dictatorshiki Жыл бұрын
@@wolfshadowshy ya and playing the game is not the same as verbally attacking and harassing someone. swfs that use all the best items n play in an annoying way aren't nice but thats not actual bullying, even if theyre called "bully squads." dont be dense
@victorjulian3897
@victorjulian3897 Жыл бұрын
I need a new version of this tier list but with a Survivor main, like JRM. That can be interesting..
@hbombdaboss97
@hbombdaboss97 Жыл бұрын
Cope is a survivor main with 10k hours….
@Brady22254
@Brady22254 Жыл бұрын
I went in to a chat as a killer wesker after the match just 3 days ago and said ggs
@minkcell7509
@minkcell7509 Жыл бұрын
I never got people who will put ttv in their name and then get mad when people in the game come to their stream. They're advertising their stream but at the same time don't expect people to show up? Makes no sense, lol.
@Brady22254
@Brady22254 Жыл бұрын
@@minkcell7509 right but I didn’t even notice it was a ttv until midway into the match I definitely wasn’t stream sniping someone with 5 viewers I’m not trying to make fun of him but yeah
@Fascinor
@Fascinor Жыл бұрын
As always, I love your videos (even though I don't agree with every point ^^) Please continue doing what you like because a lot of people, myself included like it too. PS : what about survivors killing themselves on hook ?
@prism.-
@prism.- Жыл бұрын
Otz I really appreciate the time stamps it's a lot of work (I think) thank you
@lma0henry
@lma0henry Жыл бұрын
Imagine somebody flaming you for denying an achievement when realisticly unless you're Otz, Cope or somebody with similar gametime, you wouldn't even know you're "denying" anything lol.
@lazerax9
@lazerax9 Жыл бұрын
In the case of the myers achievement, even if you don't know that you're denying the achievement, you're still just being annoying. Like getting grabbed out of a a locker instead of killed as last survivor isn't going to give you a chance of escaping lol, you're just denying the satisfaction of a perfect finish for the killer because you're pressed that you lost.
@josephhiers9523
@josephhiers9523 Жыл бұрын
@LazerAx9 I'm ngl. Tombstone pretty much denies everyone of fun but the killer. There's really not a chase. Just staring and doing gens then people start dying around 1 gen left. It's the most boring kinda game unless you're the killer. I can't say I blame people for denying the killer satisfaction when they've sat through a boring and unsatisfying experience with little to no BP reward.
@bumpylandings8484
@bumpylandings8484 Жыл бұрын
Great video but hearing Cope say facecamping is fine made my blood boil. Reassurance is less than 3 months old, and at the end of the day it's all about intent. EVERYTHING is about intent.
@luceus8350
@luceus8350 Жыл бұрын
Same, I would straight up put "full facecamping" in bannable with no second thought
@quince5892
@quince5892 Жыл бұрын
I would swap tbagging and killer/swf DC. I think tbagging for communication between teammates or after a silly moment with the killer is fine, but a 5000 hour player tbagging the killer because they know there’s nothing they can do to catch them because they play perfectly, I would even put it in offensive because at that point it’s purely to cause offence to the killer, especially for those who wait at the exit gates to tbag. Killer/swf DC is fine in my opinion as it’s a sort of victory condition for both teams, a killer who DCs gets to escape whatever torment caused them to DC, and the survivors get the satisfaction of knowing that they played well, on the other side, a swf disconnecting means the killer knows they played well, and the swf gets to escape whatever nurse/blight/whatever caused them to nope out of the game.
@gibbybtw280
@gibbybtw280 Жыл бұрын
How is tbaging gunna be put in offensive lmao
@archyleonlb
@archyleonlb Жыл бұрын
Can someone explain to me what falls under bully squad? Because if I use head on, then its fun. But if its our 4 man using head on, we're a bully squad?
@merin6761
@merin6761 Жыл бұрын
i'm surprised bodyblocking wasn't in the list :o i recently bodyblocked a facecamping killer at endgame so my teammate could safely unhook and got insulted and threatened to no end in endgame chat (and even got a little message on my profile). i personally think bodyblocking is completely fine to protect your teammates, or secure a hit as a killer, but it's another story if you use it to sandbag your team or hold other players hostage. but yeah, surprised it didn't make the list !
@cryingchild6996
@cryingchild6996 Жыл бұрын
Body blocking is a legit strat. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. The only way it becomes a problem is holding others hostage. Trapping people in corners all game and what not.
@merin6761
@merin6761 Жыл бұрын
@@cryingchild6996 exactly. i just thought about it because i regularly see people (mainly killers) complain about it
@dargus1718
@dargus1718 Жыл бұрын
Yep I always bodyblock the first survivor I find in a corner (doesn't happen often) to secure a kill once end game collapse is over while it doesn't matter if we are at 0 gens or 5 gens. Dunno why people have issues with body blocking.
@DISTORTEDNOISE
@DISTORTEDNOISE Жыл бұрын
Denying achievements - "That's just awful, when you have nothing to gain but just do something to irritate the other side" Tbagging - "fine" Getting mixed signals here
@lil_230
@lil_230 Жыл бұрын
You know there is a difference between denying achievements and tbagging right?
@mayjhor
@mayjhor Жыл бұрын
I think tea bagging is so context specific. Scott Jund has a really agreeable view on them, and that is that it's one of the few ways survivors can express themselves. Now, after a match where they were abusing exploits, or full meta, or intentionally harming the other side, I agree that the teabag is on par with something like slapping on the hook. Taunting when the other side has no response is ill-mannered, for sure. But in most of the cases I've seen, I feel it's more of a “friendly” communication.
@hbombdaboss97
@hbombdaboss97 Жыл бұрын
I will never understand how people are fragile enough to get mad when a survivor crouches repeatedly
@Yawyna124
@Yawyna124 Жыл бұрын
@@hbombdaboss97 I mean, if you take an overly reductive point of view to pretty much anything, it becomes really easy to not understand things.
@cannedsquasher5923
@cannedsquasher5923 Жыл бұрын
@@lil_230 I mean they literally struggled to put "Bully squads" into "Not Nice" when people literally do it simply to ruin the fun of the other side. I fail to see how that is any different than say denying achievements. At the end of the day the purpose of both is to ruin the experience for someone other than yourself & not necessarily to win.
@wellplayedguille3839
@wellplayedguille3839 Жыл бұрын
Great video of a lots of topics for conversations in the community. I would add to this list (I don't know if it falls into another category) throw a map offering. = Not nice Love your work Otz, keep it up.
@ElSuxo
@ElSuxo Жыл бұрын
SWF DC should be on the bannable tier when they abuse it to deny a killer perk (like Blood Warden or other hook or pick up perks). It's exploiting at that point.
@pixpk
@pixpk Жыл бұрын
I think the fact that the tier list for toxic behaviours can even be created for this specific game speaks for itself. This game's community isn't nice and toxic behaviours aren't punished sufficiently. Lucky we are carried by such great creators as Otz and Cope. Great video!
@HigherDarkness
@HigherDarkness Жыл бұрын
Dbd community is atrocious lmao
@Sahbla
@Sahbla Жыл бұрын
@@HigherDarkness I speculate it mostly has to do with the 4v1 imbalanced formula at play, what else could cause a game to be much more toxic and spiteful than other genres?
@a50ftfall6
@a50ftfall6 Жыл бұрын
Franklin's demise actually kind of a needed perk at this point. He counters med kits which basically every single survival on Earth brings I know it's annoying dropping your items but I can't just let you feel 10,000 times with that purple medkit with the gel dressing and gauze roll add-ons. And I know what about Boone circle of healing but I can count our Boone circle healing I can snuff it out and if I have the boon breaker perk I can completely remove it. But with items there's no way to remove them from play. Also I love making them drop items especially when they are bringing those stupid tool boxes they get gens done in like 20 seconds
@dizzylilthing
@dizzylilthing Жыл бұрын
tbh I don't make good use of my tools or heals for the most part. but if a killer uses Franklin's I am going to rummage through every chest and slow the match to a crawl
@dizzylilthing
@dizzylilthing Жыл бұрын
@Makoryuko queue I've found that tunnelling handles medkits better
@MythicTF2
@MythicTF2 Жыл бұрын
Franklin's is annoying for the survivors but that's about it. Me personally, I generally will only bring in a brown medkit or maybe a yellow (but that's because I'm a hoarder and like to save rare stuff for some reason). So to me franklin's is just "sorry, you don't get a survivor power" which fair. It's just annoying. I think Franklin's is fine and I'd argue these "anti-fun" perks ARE good for the game, albeit annoying to deal with. Since the worst part is when a killer will slap you JUST to remove the medkit from your hand then leave you to go slap out another item, therefore making the rest of the medkit useless outside of altruistic heals. (I also think item rarities should be physically visible on the item but that's a different thing) I think to make it less annoying but still keeping it powerful it'd be nice to nerf it's charge loss factor but make it also work with special attacks. -After 20 seconds, the item will start to lose all its charges over the course of the rest of it's timer +Any attack on the survivor causes them to drop their items
@cuppedcup5048
@cuppedcup5048 Жыл бұрын
@@dizzylilthing “but… but tunnelling is bad!! And 3 medkits is fine!! Only I can have fun, not the killer!! Bad game!!”: every survivor main
@skeletonwitch.
@skeletonwitch. Жыл бұрын
me bringing built to last with a medkit 🤓
@liamwelch6485
@liamwelch6485 Жыл бұрын
Hey I'm having trouble with my DBD for the past month or so when I play killer my character stops for a second for no reason for like a half second kinda like lag but whenever I'm using a power like holding a clown bottle up I go at a normal speed is this happening to anyone else
@quillerink
@quillerink Жыл бұрын
Is there a link to this tier list? I wanna make my own
@Shadowborg
@Shadowborg Жыл бұрын
I dont understand how people arent more bothered by teabagging. They say "it's just pixels on a screen", but there is a human being behind those pixels thats literally being a dick and teasing the killer. Bagging to ask a survivor to heal you or to say thanks is one thing, but bagging at every pallet stun, bagging during chase, bagging at the exit gates, to rub it in the face of the already ftustrated killer is being on ass. It's at least on the same level as trash talk in end game chat.
@nikkis.2066
@nikkis.2066 Жыл бұрын
Bully behavior excused by ppl who either bully others or never been on the receiving end of bullying in life. It's like being picked on at school ND the teacher going "it isn't harming you, it's just a joke" and it's like riiiight, so the intention to try to upset someone and make them the butt of jokes isn't seen as toxic? *eye roll*
@Shadowborg
@Shadowborg Жыл бұрын
@@nikkis.2066 Exactly.
@DarkPhoenix2001
@DarkPhoenix2001 Жыл бұрын
I agree. It feels this is disregarded because it is an online interaction they use that anonymity to dehumanize the other person. Whether it is taunting/bullying behavior or other toxic interactions, not just in dbd or online games but in general. To disregard someone’s feelings on the matter is no better than doing it in person when someone antagonizes/bullies someone else. You never know what that person has went through or is going through, intentionally trying to “rub it in” especially when they did nothing wrong can still push them into a bad place emotionally even if it is “just a game”.
@josephhiers9523
@josephhiers9523 Жыл бұрын
Probably cause a lot of people grew up playing games like Halo. Personally I don't mind t bagging hell I enjoy it. Adds a competitive aspect to the match. Like now I gotta have you or in a shooter let's go head to head for a good bit of the match. I don't T bag in dbd personally but when survivors do it to me I'm chillin and it makes the kills far more satisfying too. Also tbagging is legit a disadvantage for the survivor. If you don't allow yourself to get angry you'll see it's easier to close distance on someone who t bags then someone who stuns and then holds W immediately after.
@hbombdaboss97
@hbombdaboss97 Жыл бұрын
This is the most fragile comment I’ve ever read 😂😂💀
@slasher1563
@slasher1563 Жыл бұрын
"so teabagging is interesting to me." "I don't get why people have a probably with teabagging, it's fine." "I got teabagged the other night OFFLINE." Bro I can see the rock raising his eyebrow with every line lol
@MokiHunter
@MokiHunter Жыл бұрын
The amount of adepts I’ve lost or had to do a second or third game bc someone dc’d solely bc of the killer I’m playing is actually astounding. I could maybe understand it if someone is hard tunneling off hook just to get adept, but I try really hard to never actively tunnel or camp if I can avoid it so when people dc when I’m adepting it feels so bad (‘: I genuinely wouldn’t mind Franklin’s except for the fact you lose your item even if you escape unless you pick it up the entire game or if you leave it somewhere before you’re chased and go back for it at endgame. I don’t care if I can’t use my item that game I just don’t want to lose the item for future games if I escape ya know 🤣 Also curious where you’d rank last minute item/character swaps on this list! I personally don’t really mind them but I’m interested seeing your guy’s takes!
@highkeydevin4323
@highkeydevin4323 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much otz for talking about people with big tvs playing a little dbd in the morning omg.. omg when you said that I felt like you were talking exactly about me
@MrHuman002
@MrHuman002 Жыл бұрын
Survivors stand around in the exits for 2 minutes every game in the hopes of tbagging the killer, so bleeding them out for 4 minutes when the opportunity comes up is cosmic balance.
@arkirron7172
@arkirron7172 3 ай бұрын
Apparently that’s “offensive” and tbagging at exits is “fine” 🤦‍♂️. “Naughty killer extending the game unnecessarily when they’ve already won and doing things to rub it in the survivors face, that’s offensive! Oh wait, that’s exactly what the survivors are doing that we labelled as fine.”
@dimathevs
@dimathevs Жыл бұрын
Great to see Cope! Always thought he matches your energy somewhat! Hope he gets into DBD more often again. Love to see this!
@bubu.D.28
@bubu.D.28 Жыл бұрын
His opinion was so weak. Dont like the Match with otz
@Goremaecpck
@Goremaecpck Жыл бұрын
Was the killer BMing on hook not included in this tier list?
@jaydonarchuleta5691
@jaydonarchuleta5691 Жыл бұрын
Surprised it’s not on the tier list. It’s up there with teabagging imo. Both are just rude things to do, especially if the side/person you’re doing it too has literally done nothing toxic in the match.
@giantsweet1472
@giantsweet1472 Жыл бұрын
Another short video to watch during lunch. Thanks Otz.
@WTFisAuserFRCKINname
@WTFisAuserFRCKINname Жыл бұрын
People don’t like to hear this but taking offense is a choice
@ilias-4252
@ilias-4252 11 ай бұрын
most important thing i got from this video is that cope is stupid
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Жыл бұрын
I honestly think "oh teabagging is one of the few limited forms of communication we have" thing is honestly cope for toxic people. *You're not meant to communicate with the killer during a game.* Otherwise don't you think they'd have just put a chat in? The most respectful way for survivors to play is to just give killers the silent treatment and play the fucking game.
@theblackbaron4119
@theblackbaron4119 Жыл бұрын
The only toxic things in my opinion are: gamebreaking exploits, cheating, or for survivors intentionally playing badly/ blocking hindering your teammates. For example body locking your teammates or blowing up generators intentionally. Also taking the game too seriously and trying to insult people in the end game chat.
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