It's crazy the effect nostalgia has on our perception. Not even just in dead by daylight but just in general.

Glad to see Otz is finally taking some time off for himself and only giving us a one hour video today 🙏

I'm amazed to see nobody talking about keys. Whilst somewhat recent compared to a lot of these points, it was such a contentious topic, and it really led to anti-climactic moments where you were just playing your game and then suddenly the game ends because the survivors all grouped up and decided to leave.

It was Scott Jund who managed to down a lagswitching Claudette with a green shirt on Autohaven, if i don't misremember completely. His game would stutter when she started lagswitch, so he just stopped in his tracks and managed to down her. It was glorious

Spirit had no vault animation, she could just stand there and you wouldn't know if she's gonna go thru the window or go around the loop

To correct you all, the actual original DS did not require the non-obsessions to wiggle a certain % to break free, every survivor could use it immediately, obsession or not. They didn't change it to the % effect until patch 1.4.0

I started playing in 2016 (don't remember exactly when but it was before the nurse came out), I think the only reason the game's flaws didn't show as much back then was because barely anybody knew what they were doing. I was dropping pallets when the killer was across the map because I thought you were supposed to set them up as a barricade in case the killer came, crouching in the corner for minutes at a time because the killer could be near, hiding in a locker as soon as you hear the terror radius, being too terrified to go for saves, always trying to escape the hook just because the option was available. If I was in a chase I would just drop every pallet, and if I had self care I would do the classic maneuver of healing in the corner while my teammates die because being injured is too scary Also totally random note, i remember playing a game on gideon meat plant against a hillbilly, and the map was PITCH BLACK there was no global lighting, only lights in the map itself. It was actually super cool, you pretty much had to go by the generator lights and random light bulbs. Not sure if it was a moonlight offering but it was really cool

The doctor had 2 phases that you could switch between, one for hitting survivors and the other for shocking survivors.The ridiculous thing was you could grab survivors %100 chance while them unhooking cuz you couldn't hit survivors by clicking M1 when you were in shocking mode xD

You guys forgot the old PWYF + Tinkerer killer power interaction! Back in the day, especially during the Huntress' release, you could run both windup addons in addition to Tinkerer increasing the numbers even further. You would also have PERMANENT 15% increased movement speed from PWYF (assuming you're limiting yourself to using the power only). This was also called the machine gun Huntress build. It was absolutely busted.

this brought back so many memories. I forgot about switching killers in the lobbies. my friends and I used to change our steam names to “play trapper” “no play myers” “no play nurse”

Old sabo is the reason why so many killers have a deep-set primal hatred of Jakes that they can't quite explain even now 😂

I'm convinced that people don't actually miss the old dbd, they miss being bad at dbd, i started playing about a year ago and i feel nostalgia for the big discovery period when I was walking around a map terrified of the killer showing up behind me

I'm a little surprised they didnt mention "infinite mending" legion. That was more traumatizing to me back then 😅

Gameplay is much better and balanced nowadays, but I really miss the old art style. Sure, it was technically less impressive, but it was more unique and distinct and felt much more inspired by old slasher films than the new one. Also, the only gameplay thing I REALLY miss is old Billy. He is genuinely one of the very few things that were made much worse in the new versions. Even his animations were way more smooth and refined than now.

One thing I'm amazed wasn't brought up was old Exhaustion. Up until patch 2.2.0, Exhaustion used to recover WHILST YOU WERE RUNNING. I remember SWF squads would all run Vigil and bring you to OP maps like Haddonfield. Wanna know how bad it was? Imagine the Haddonfield infinite, but survivors had an infinite Balanced Landing every time they jumped off the roof. Or infinite Sprint Burst on any normal loop. It literally made an almost impossible task genuinely impossible

One of the best quality of life changes that I feel no one talks about is when they changed how survivors struggle on 2nd hook. I hating smashing the space bar and sometimes would accidentally die on second hook because of it

Cannot believe you didn't talk about trapper being able to place traps right under the hook, survivors only being able to unhook from the front and therefore 100% getting trapped if they don't disarm it before rescue, making it impossible to recuse if the killer camped. Great video though love the nostalgia

It’s honestly insane to see the old version of dbd being even more of a nightmare than what we have today

The craziest thing to me is that the new Dead Hard and the basekit BT feel so natural despite my thousand or so hours playing without them. Same thing with the endgame collapse. And Hatch standoff. Despite all of the hate BHVR gets, you gotta hand it to them for having most of the gamechanging decisions like this feel as seamless and natural as possible.

There’s only a few things I remember about the old DbD and that was the instant mori, infinites everywhere and for some reason the moon brightness offerings. Truly wild times.

The only thing I miss about old DBD is that it was very casual and was actually (somewhat) scary

Preach! People always miss the old days because the forget about all the negatives and only remember the positives

I have to admit that I miss Silent Spirit. The jumpscares you could pull off with her was spectacular

One more thing about Ruin that I find worth mentioning is that before dedicated servers. Sometimes it was very difficult to hit the great skillchecks due to poor connection to the killer. The skill check seemed very laggy and felt much more random to hit great skill checks on

We often remember the good memories we had learning the game and the different situations our lives are in, but when you really think about it old DBD was an absolute hellhole compared to now.

The only thing I miss is that survivors used to be afraid of the killer, it gave the game a very different feel

It was fun going down memory lane for these, and holding in my laugh when I saw certain topics I remember too well.

Nostalgic? Old DBD gave me PTSD. Maybe if you were a survivor main power tripping every game you would find Old DBD nostalgic.

Oh dear god I remember almost all of these. The one I'm the most thankful for is honestly the Removal of Omega Blink Nurse. Because you'd listen to 7 blinks and instantly 2 dcs.

Top 17 reasons to NOT miss DBD: 1. The Playerbase 2. The playerbase 3. the Playerbase 4. the playerbase 5. The playerbase 6. the Playerbase 7. the players 8. the pLAyerbase 9. thE playerbase 10. the playerbase. 11. ThE plaYERbase 12. The playerbase 13. The PLayerbase 14. the playerbase 15. the playerbase 16. The PLayerbase 17. The playerbase.

For me the worst part of old decisive strike was the fact that it worked in endgame. I remember one game that I had where I would've gotten a 3 or 4k, but everyone I downed had decisive up, so I got a 0k. One of the survivors actually felt bad for me in the postgame chat

Otz, I’ve been a subscriber of yours for years at this point as a part of the DBD community since 2018. I love this video and thanks for taking me back!

The only good things about old dbd are that we had everything still to learn and people weren't aware of the billion abusable bugs and or didn't know how to exploit them well yet

This is even more crazy when you look at the fact some people defended some of the most broken things in this game and claimed the devs were babying the killers when it all got nerfed

A bit of a correction on the Mettle of Man part of the video, the perk DID work on Nurse back on release. Nurse blink attacks were still considered normal attacks back then, so the perk would trigger against the Nurse and waste her blink.

I remember onetime I had a hatch stand off with a bubba, the hatch was on a hill and there were 3 gens left. He was guarding it like no tomorrow, so I finished all the gens. After i finished the last gen, I saw him finally leave the hatch to check the doors, so then I booked it and made it to the hatch. He was pissed lol

Old Freddy was my original main, I still miss him to this day.

I feel like people only miss how dark the game maps used to be. Like the old farm and autohaven maps. They dont remember all the slow and clunky actions of killers or the instablinds

I'd love to see a podcast like this from you guys. You could genuinely talk for hours about anything and it would be a delight to listen to.

This is the golden age of DBD content, between Otz's consistently great, informative uploads, Kyto's experiment games, Spookyloops challenges. What a time to be a DBD fan.

You forgot to mention when legion missed his "special" attack, it didn't take them out of their power.

old dbd in my heart for nostalgia , but new dbd is on top for sure

Loved the vid, usually struggle to sit through long videos, but watched this from start to finish! Was fun to remember all the crazy stuff back then

The 3 loadouts was the biggest thing QOL wise that wasnt mentioned. I had a couple killers who I ran 2 distinct playstyles that I used to write the build perks and addons in a notebook, so I would not forget when testing new builds.

I still miss hawkins....

Also huge shoutout to runningman and cope, they are such a nice people and they have an amazing personality and are fun to watch

Great video! What I've realized that when we people miss games or at least old versions of them, we just miss the emotions and memories we had while playing those old version i guess. And nostalgia really does alter our perception a lot!

Although nothing will ever replace the old injured running animation 💔

I'm so unbelievably glad Otz made this video. I am sick to death of the people constantly spamming "i miSs oLd DbD" constantly or saying it was better than current DBD

One of the things that triggers me the most is people saying that old DBD looked more scary and immersive, this to me is the proof these people have no idea what they are talking about and that they didn't play the game at all at the time or they already forgot how it really was back in the days and are only talking because of nostalgia... Sure the maps look more atmospheric but that's because devs didn't care about balancement at all, it was almost impossible to see players hiding in plain sight in some corners of the maps, the dark atmosphere was an attempt to hide the (at the time) very low graphic that was very outdated even at the time, the animations were all clunky, even the most basic ones like running were super goofy and badly looped, the "maps" were literally all the same thing except one was dark blue and the other was dark orange, the terrain of each map was all scattered and not smooth like now meaning Trapper's traps would sometimes not even be in reachable areas if you got bad RNG and got them to spawn under ground, speaking of which, you could actually place them literally under the ground sometimes because it was inconsistent af, the game looked "better" because it was worse and they had to use lightning to hide problems and this costed a lot in terms of gameplay basically, you could barely play if the room wasn't dark enough, it looked like that one Game of Thrones episode that was infamous because how hard it was to see, you could use offerings to make already darker maps even darker or make them more bright revealing several problems in texture, and all of this ONLY when it comes to visual stuff, let's not get started on gameplay stuff ugh... The game did a wonderful job with the graphical update and balancement over the years, while still not perfect (what is perfect by definition in an asymetrical game?) It's undeniable how much better it is nowdays, people saying otherwise are just blinded by nostalgia or are purposely ignoring the problems above, in which case anyone would obviously say that a dark atmosphere fits better for an horror game, duh!

They should bring back moonlight offerings but the new moon is the old look of the maps, i wanna go back and see old thompson house again. It was cool and actually scary

Tremendous video. Super interesting history for me since I didn't start playing until 12/21. So much history prior to that date.

You can tell what side a person plays more often by how they remember old dbd

The only thing I really miss about old DBD being a player who started playing the day it released. Is just how much it felt like the wild west where people were just trying out random stuff. Wraith was considered OP out of the original Trio and hillbilly was considered trash so the first realizations of how insane the game was with double pallets and infinites weren't really apparent yet. Even if some stuff was so broken, it was new and everyone was just trying stuff out. And I will always miss that.

Loved this. Amazing to reminisce about old DBD. Great video for some nostalgia! :)

Such an interesting topic, I would like to see more videos like this where you have guests on. I was here for some of these, surprised none of you mentioned the old BT and how broken it was, I think it was at its strongest right before it was added to the basekit but the older iterations of it were kinda busted.

Watching yer old videos always makes me think “I can’t believe we played this game and liked it.” I see a lot of disdain for the devs of DBD for things both real and imaginary but I’m much more kind to them whenever I think of how far we’ve come

Finally someone addresses this. People are so blinded by nostalgia that they don't realise old dbd was disgustingly survivor sided extremely buggy and laggy while also having some complete bs on the killers side like moris and old nurse.

That was amazing podcast, thanks Otzy!

Truthfully I agree with Runningman. The hex NOED that had no aura was pretty damn awesome. When I saw it as a survivor I would laugh with FEAR knowing the game could end in no time flat. Now when I think of NOED I think of finding a hiding spot and letting the aura spread and then it’s found with ease. I miss that spice that it used to give to the game, and it made the last few minutes as tense as possible

About the loops, I was always a killer main but played survivor till rank 1 as well, I never really used em because stealth play felt more fun to me and just quick & quiet, no moans of pain or grunts, Nea's fast crouch perk. As a killer, I also remember the original Nurse map had a infinite with 2 windows in the main building. Also, Unrelenting and STBFL both did reduction on hits and missed attacks. And Myers used to be able to stalk multiple survs at once for fast EW.

We will never miss the old mori system 💀

Thank you, Otz, for this trip down memory pain.

Cope just feels so much like "Yeah I am so much better than everyone"

So happy to see Otz's sound management 🙌

Otz uploads +1 hour video: We’re well fed for tonight boys

Love those kind of videos, it feels like talking to my own friends and reminiscing the past

To add to flashlights, there was also the thing where you could flashlight save during the hook animation Sometimes I wished I was a survivor main

I really miss the rustic horror feel, the gritty and bloody texture everything had, like Oldwind Farm, and killers like Huntress or Doctor being standard issue, as opposed to killers like the Trickster and the Skull Merchant

It's just nostalgia not that old dbd is good.

Not a day goes by where i don’t miss forever freddy. Peak power freddy was so fun, especially since it was one of the few builds you can make work without Ruin.

love u otz. you always transmit such good vibes

What I miss is the experience and how I felt. I miss loading into a map, hearing Freddys lullaby and subsequently panic becouse I was scared becouse if he found me he could see me from anywhere on the map. I miss playing as killer and enjoying the dark atmosphere and chasing survivors without having to worry about meta perks, controlling gens and keeping track of hook stages. I miss useing perks I found funny and not perks I find strong. I miss prestige cosmetics being something special. I miss the simpler days...

This was such a trip down memory lane, lol. It also brings into light how much better the game is right now compared to old times.

I still remember playing the beta for the game and grinding it out over the summer in 2016. On the one hand, old self care and old spine chill made survivors unbelievably self sufficient and able to dodge and weave most stuff killers could do to garner an advantage. On the other hand, fighting tooth and nail to be the last one alive only to have the killer stand over the hatch was genuine pain. I stopped playing shortly before Myers got released and didn't come back until The Singularity came out, and the sheer amount of changes and stuff added between then was mind blowing to me

Love the video idea, it gave me quite some flashbacks. Also, i absolutely miss old surv movement.

One thing you forgot is RPD on release. You basically played blackscreen simulator because everything was so dark. Paired with the we maze like corridors it was 10x harder to find gens then nowadays. You also could easily hide from the Killer by crouching on any corner because every corner was basically a black hole.

Big thanks to Cope and RunningMan making this such a cool little walk through memory lane

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO !!!!!!! I was literally hoping someone would since people keep acting like DBD hasn't come far, you are amazing otz I love you.

This is by far one of the most entertaining videos I’ve seen from otz

I still miss old DbD where streaks with no perks/power were possible.

Moving from the mobile version to pc, I miss the blood store lootboxes with iridescent shards and even auric cells, and also the perk menu filters of altruism perks, evasion perks, gen perks, miscellaneous etc. Edit: another honorable mention is the daily missions with iridescent shards and 40 auric cells per week Edit 2: also the 24h free character demo tickets

On the topic of the moonlight offerings, the lightborn perk also made your FOV darker and the shadowborn perk made your screen brighter at the benefit/cost of being more or less resistant to flashlights. Darkest moonlight + lightborn = suffering

this brought back so many memories, I was a second day player and ive been to all this things and even some others they did not mention. Of course game was a nightmare (still is) but it still feels nostalgic. What a game dude.

I’ve been playing this game since early in its beta. The memories of each of these eras are…a lot. Regardless that is was so broken, early dbd is something I’ll miss solely because of that. I hope they can release something that would allow us to experience it again but with maybe some things added to not make it literally impossible for killers or survivors to win.

Thank you Otz for this hard counter to the "Things we miss" videos. Game is in a good place now, many mistakes were made in development that naturally needed to get fixed!

This video has moved me to July 2016 when I just started playing Dead by daylight. I haven't seen so much flashbacks yet. Flashbacks with everything I've experienced for 7 years. Thank you Otz, Cope and RunningMan. In addition to the video, I can remember the time period when you could unhook the survivor from the hook only on the front side. The Trapper could put a trap right under the hook and be sure that no one will unhook the survivor. I can also remember hook tech (hook break could be performed at a small distance from the hook, which instantly teleported survivor to the hook, allowing him to dodge the hit). And how about common and uncommon map offerings? The rope on Pale Rose is still in my inventory. Most of all I miss accelerating perks with own timer without fatigue and old models. I still think that old Kate and Lunar Feng skin models was better than now.

i play killer and survivor, and what i miss is dead hard before the nerf where it’s uses were limited. it’s easy to wait it out and as a survivor who isn’t top tier it’s nice to just have an extra chance

To add to the old ruin conversation; toolboxes used to have a hell of a lot more charges, and would last for multiple gens, which made the addon that eliminates skill checks kinda viable against the whole ruin meta.

The only thing I miss about the old dbd is the old animations, they looked so clean and matched the game vert well. Now all the survivors look dead inside... (Which makes a little sense after going against a camping killer for the 7h time.)

It's been months since I played DBD and I got back and bought a lot of the DLCs thanks to your content. Keep it up.

Great video Ty for your efforts all 3 ❤

I apologize in advance for how long this comment is. I have played the game since launch and there are a decent amount of things that didn't get mentioned in the video. At the very release of the game, when hooks could be sabo'd permanently, trapper's traps could also be sabo'd permanently. Also, if you had a toolbox, you could sabo traps without even disarming them. Spamming m1 while being chased would snap to the disarm animation for any traps in range, so it was super easy to avoid them. Small game was a perk before totems were introduced too, and it used to just show the aura of trapper traps to survivors within a range of 6 meters which made traps even easier to avoid. Flashlights used to have instablind add-ons that increased the speed at which you blinded the killer. This was so fast that you could aim a flashlight at them mid chase when they weren't even locked in an animation and blind them. It was so fast that you couldn't react to it. Also, shadowborn used to make your vision brighter, but also increase the speed you got blinded by flashlights. This stacked with the instablind flashlight speed, so you would get blinded in like a millisecond. Many killers used to run shadowborn because maps were darker and it made finding survivors a lot easier. Another interesting thing was borrowed time on release. It would only activate once per game and you had to be in the killers terror radius, but it would protect both the person being unhooked AND the person who unhooked them. If you managed to save it until endgame, it was a free escape for both people. Also, before deep wound existed, the borrowed time meter could not be mended. It had to be healed like a health state. This meant that if you didn't have self care or someone to heal you, you would just go down after the timer ran out. The timer would also not pause during any action like deep wound does now, so it allowed the killer to tunnel you and you would still die after a set amount of time. I think the bleed out timer was around 40 seconds so it still bought a lot of time. Also, when Decisive Strike was first added, it was not an obsession perk. Every survivor in a match could use it the first time they were picked up without needing to wiggle at all. If you did not press spacebar at all to hit the skill check, you could use it later, but if you pressed spacebar and missed the skill check, it would disable the perk. They then changed it to the obsession thing where non-obsession survivors had to wiggle for a bit. Another thing that used to be crazy was sprint burst and balanced landing. On release, sprint burst had a 20 second cooldown and would recharge at full speed while sprinting. Every 20 seconds in chase, a survivor would keep activating sprint burst. They nerfed it to a 20 second cooldown and made it recharge at 50% speed while running, so it would take 80 seconds to recharge in chase. Then, when nea was added, they added balanced landing. Exhaustion was not a status effect, and these two perks had separate cooldowns independent of one another, so you could use both of them at once. You could sprint burst up a hill, fall of the hill, then get the balanced landing speed boost right after. Jungle gyms used to have a window spawn on both the short wall and long wall at the same time. All pallet loops that can have a pallet at one spot or another spot would instead spawn both pallets every time. This included both pallets at the double window jungle gyms. Wraith used to get deviousness points just for uncloaking near survivors without hitting them, so many wraith players would hook you and then sit at the hook cloaking and uncloaking for points. There are so many other things that I am probably forgetting. While the game used to have a lot of problematic things, I kind of liked how much more wild things were. There was crazy broken stuff on both sides and I think it would be fun to go back and play older builds for a bit to re-experience them.

I’ll always miss when Michael was regarded as a pretty good killer, now with all the new killers and changes and add on changes I feel he is close to one of the worst killers in the game

19:01 I remember Legion w/ two knives add-ons so u would get infinite mend 1:05:56 THE THING back then was that u didn't have any end game perks or just a lot of perks in general, so you almost had no choice but run noed 1:13:11 About QOL u could see killers perks and add-ons after you died/escaped it was so annoying, because after 1 man out by any means and you understood that your build got leaked to other 1:19:35 I'm so glad the made that they made that you keep your items AND a new Teachable perks mechanic is amazing, because you needed to find this perk manually in bloodweb With all these changes you can tell how far dbd went, thx for your efforts boys!!!

I want to add on to the ending conversation. A thing that i loved that was definitely really bad for the game was a small quirk about doctor before his rework. Before doctor’s rework, you could either be in treatment mode or punishment mode, and you had to switch between the two. Treatment mode would bring out your fist and slow you down so you could shock people, but you could not swing your weapon. Except there was a big oversight with this. You could still grab people while in treatment mode. So if you hooked someone and wanted to facecamp, it was arguably even better than bubba. You would just switch to treatment mode and spam the button the swing/shock someone, and the moment they tried to unhook, you would grab them. It was totally ridiculous and it is very good that it is gone, but a little part of my old doctor main self misses it 😅

When you look back, you think “damn that was really bad” but playing during that time, it just felt natural, it was like “dang that’s annoying”

people likes to say that old DBD is more chaotic and broken thus more fun, but i think that a more "competitive" and balanced approach BHVR make to game actually prolongs the game lifespan much longer, a more competitive balanced game tend to have better player retention than a game with crazy lows and highs.

Glad to see Runningman with you all. I have watched every spine chill podcast and it is has been a delight each time. For everyone that do not know about the spine chill podcast, i recommand it (you will meet two others wonderfull lads, especially John, he is the one i have been following for a very long time, and if you like horror contents, i highly recommand this guy). Seeing Cope was also dope, i only expected Otz (which is already 👌), but this. That is amazing

I started playing dbd same month of release and the only thing I look back on fondly is the immersion me and my friends had when playing especially when we played in a private game it was incredibly fun