If you want to see markups on Toyota vehicles (specially sienna), then please stop by Miami toyota dealership (majority of them are charging 5k to 10k). One trick they used is they don't advertise the markups on paper/sticker.

Grandfather got 2 door Sport model F150 with 20k miles for under 25k.

Here's my theory, The automakers are using the "high covid prices" to make the gas MSRP the same as the electric MSRP... it's their way of making us pay for the additional cost of going from gas to electric.

The Tundra is the slowest selling truck for good reason ! Thus they on the lots. Your game is weak. Ur a shill for Toyota. They aren't good 1/2ton trucks. Every truck guy knows this fact. -NY

@@raheem035 No Yodas for me!

People are dumb. They think they're impressing everyone buying these junks.

Blame Biden for printing all the money.

Absolutely correct. I just don’t get it. I will NEVER pay over MSRP, EVER.

I bought a brand new F-150 XRT in 2006 for under $25k. Tell me why the price has TRIPLED in 15 years. This is why recessions are necessary.

I dont think that's true, that's why the trucks are just sitting there, not bought.

And to see Americans wise up & stop buying $70,000 trucks. I never see these trucks being used as work trucks, just some suburbia family thinking they're all vikings or homesteaders.

Right, I grew up on a farm in a northern state, we NEEDED our trucks! Unless you need one, say for your business, why would you spend that??

Reason why i buy trucks that will last 20 years, so that i dont ever have to see a stealership for a long time.

That would only allow the ones that don’t go out of business to charge even more

@@dustyking8851 -- I would love own a truck but I use a 2006 Toyota Rav4 to haul concrete, drywall, and 12ft pieces of hardie board. I hate moving drywall/plywood b/c I have to mount it to the roof rack. And it's heavy having to lift it above my head. Sigh.

He films on Sunday

😂😂😂😂

It’s not hard he goes on a Sunday when the dealerships are closed. Then rants and raves like a lunatic in he parking lot for you the viewer . He doesn’t mention that he picked a few Fords with the 5=liter V8 and one with a diesel . Lol This guy is so full of 💩 .

followed? Try chased! I drove into a ford dealership years ago and had a saleman actually running behind my car.

@@ozneroll2132 LOL 😂😂 I bet he's still lurking around your home in the bushes.

So is $9.00 for a toothbrush.

Yes, but the high price is primarily the only thing pushing me away; Toy tends to have better quality vehicles than Ford and GM

Trucks are useless to 90% of people 😂😂😂

​@@chrismayer3919 new toyotas are trash now they keep breaking down

​​@triggerxx9760 really??? How come

some dealerships (stealerships?) do ... though all that pent up demand over the last 3 years - is gone and so are the "free money checks" - so we ALL paying for it now. THX to incompetent central bank policies (in all directions!). End The Fed! Long live the F-150!

You and I know the government will bail them out again.

Government can’t bail them out this time hahaha they going under to

@@righteous_entertainment8539 Only on paper they're going under my friend only on paper😂

They're not going to eat any inventori gumby they're going to sell it watch them

The maverick is junk

Correct!!! Buy used. Prices WILL come down.

Yes, I completely agree!

My last 5 cars have been used. The most I paid was 7800. That was for a 2004 gx470 with 150k miles. Still have it an have only put in another 2k in maintenance over 7 years and 70k miles. It’s worth more now than when I bought it. I like the E350 ford vans. They are cheap cause the gas mileage sucks. But they carry most things I need or can tow must anything I need. New cars are just too expensive.

Absolutely ,I was at the bank a few weeks ago setting up a ira we got to talking about car loans she was telling me some Landers are going out like 10 years on new car loans. In my opinion if you have to go out 10 years then you can't afford the car .

Good to see someone has some sense.

Have a 08 F150 XLT. Bought it 3 years old at the time for around $19k. No debt and the family brings in well into 6 figure territory. I have no clue who is able to or just YOLOing into these truck prices. Will be keeping my old boy till I die.

@@e4gail people with zero self control and discipline.

@@e4gail same here. Bought a 2006 F-150 XLT Oklahoma Edition 4 door in 2009 for $16K. I still have it and it is still running strong with 220K miles. I still think that generation of F-150 is the best looking one ever produced. I will never get rid of it.

​@@TheChoochooboy99I bought a 21 tacoma sr5 in 2021 just before things got crazy. I paid 35k for it and will never get rid of it. My same truck today would be well in the 40k range. No thank you.

The fact is, if Toyota can keep their prices down in that range, then the domestic vehicles have no excuse… it’s price gouging

It's way cheaper to just fix issues with an existing vehicle versus buy a new one. Even more so with the high APRs

Lucky mofo! I gotta get one for my bday, & i gotta for out double!

I paid 30k for a 2013 Tacoma in 2017... they wanted 40k.

It has never been a better time to be a mechanic. Nobody buying new cars means all these used cars are going to need fixing. Do not work for dealerships unless you really know what you're doing.

What’s insane is that Tundra’s have more than doubled in price ($80,000) in 9 years.

People are stupid, buy vehicle they can't afford, at bloated prices over blue book, so when it gets repo you owe the difference from auction, which will be what the vehicle cost in the first place.

Because the gently used ones arent much cheaper. Glad I scooped my 17 tundra limited 4x4 for 43k before prices went insane.

If you account for inflation the prices are much saner

@@MikeMarshall1411 buy something you can afford that is still reliable. Unfortunately timing sucks for some. I paid a little too much still for a 2008 GX 470. But it's still going to last longer than me if I do oil changes and maintenance.

​@@FarmingWithYahweh exactly. That's the way to go. Screw these new vehicles. My 2003 Tahoe is still running strong. 250k miles in and the biggest issue I had was blown head gasket. Nothing major

Nothing ever changes. The banks, the corps, the car manufacturers always get bailed out while the working man gets screwed.

Ford didn’t take bail out money

@@vontrap6942 Socialism for the rich, capitalism for everybody else.

The simple solution to it all is don't buy it!

@@jimbobaggans1564 I don’t buy American yet, my tax dollars bailed them out. So what was that about don’t buy them?

It’s really too bad that Nissan is killing off the Titan

@@Bone89 now they just add your old loan on top of the new loan.

Basically, using credit cards for groceries. All that is about to fail too.

​@@Bone89 No they won't, the banks aren't stupid, they are already cutting credit.

Sad times.

build back better 😂

I cannot believe the number of whiners or losers blaming dealers for the price of luxury trucks. They want a RAM 1500 Limited for 40K that is now as good as a BMW in terms of ergonomics, ride quality, safety and comfort for the price of a good lawn tractor. I give up on these hosers who shud get real jobs as plumbers/electricians/HVAC techs/landscapers etc. and make some bux not whine that dealers are ripping them off. Look at the newly arrived Mexicans (and illegals) in the SW USA all driving luxury pickups as they go to work every day in the service industry unlike the priveleged whiners here who want everything for nada.

And sell they do. No idea where all these people are getting their money from, but they keep buying.

@@El_Scorcho_ We have been to Fla, Cal, Nevada n Arizona and 90% of the owners are immigrants or illegals crossing the open border as murica has no borders (40 million illegals) . They tribalize as here in LA n soon dominate the service industry and can charge U 100+ plus an hour to change a sink faucet gasket as useless murican colleges turn ut grads specializing in ECG and transgender/LGTBQx studies. Go figure who U would pay to fix ur AC.

@@El_Scorcho_ 7 year payments for a vehicle is how they are doing it. Meanwhile, vehicle loan defaults are at an all time high.

They are not buying them. That is the problem and why GM, Ford and Ram are screwed. They raised the prices, lowered the quality and car loans are now at 8% and above. There is going to be a crash in the market once the 2024 models start rolling out.

Until you need service that is.

Or maybe they just make a ton of cars and can't keep up with demand.😂

@@Electronica27 Toyota charges more for parts that aren't any longer lasting than parts used in other brands. Look no further than the 2nd gen Tundra's garbage air injection pump that they charged $400+ for while there was a compatible pump sold by AC Delco for less than $80. "yea but the Toyota OEM part reflected that price difference by lasting longer and being made better!" Nope. The Toyota OEM part failed just as often if not more often. It was garbage. The same goes for the Toyota OEM starter, water pump, power steering pump, rear diffs, etc. Worst of all was the frame. Toyota frames rust rot faster and more aggressively than the frames use by their competitors. "Yeah but Toyota gave away free frame replacements!" Nope. They gave some customers free frames. They did everything they could to weasel out of replacing all the frames they should have. They told dealers to only replace the frame if it had rust holes greater than 10mm in diameter. Your frame could have hundreds of rust holes in it, but if they were just 8 or 9mm, Toyota rejected the replacement, instead telling dealers to just cover the rust rot in undercoating. They also limited the "limited service campaign" to a very short period of time. Lots of owners didn't find out about the LSC until it was too late because the deadline was intentionally short. This is why Toyota lost a $3.6 billion dollar lawsuit for selling trucks and SUV's with frames that they knew for years had serious rust rot issues and did nothing to address the issue, instead doing everything they could to avoid being forced to issue a recall.

thats a function of inflation and wages not keeping up more than it is corporate greed. a $60k truck nowadays would be priced at about $34k 23 years ago, the problem was always with our highly intelligent 'elected' officials driving inflation while wages stagnated or even dipped.

40k is insane for a truck even

So get a midsize one and you're good.

70K gets you a fully optioned out 4WD F450 Chassis Cab with enough to get an aftermarket bed of your choice added. As in the things you see the forest service using to plow roads. Not a 2WD F150. That's literally how bad the gouging is. Same manufacturer, same dealers. Just criminally bad behavior. But, yes, that IS how you avoid this. Get a Chassis cab and then get the bed of your choice. Dealers have piles of these things they are desperate to sell off. And they are built better and can do more as well. Win-win. Head straight to the fleet manager and ask about commercial vehicles. :)

@@josephoberlander I disagree - they aren't better built. The new EPA restrictions, the remote controls that allow hackers and the Gov easy access? no - these newer vehicles are _NOT_ better. Those twin turbo V6 will never outperform or outlast a traditional NA V8.

@@FarmingWithYahweh They are better built compared to the current F150s for sure. That's why you just get a F350/450 with a V8 in it. That said, yes, just do get a Toyota instead. That Tundra will last you twice as long for sure. I can't remember the last time Toyota had major engine issues with its trucks.

Yeah, but you can't go by what you make... those 70k and up are much different than those expensive ones 20 years ago, plus it includes inflation, if you take away the screens electric rear window heated steering wheel end seats automatic wipers and lights things which are today on trims 3 steps above base, so if you get trim without all this you will be paying the same price as 20 years ago plus inflation of course, 2wd single cab fleets for 30k today is simple example of that

Actually, the banks are hurting more than the dealers are. Because your 70k f150 will end up being about 75k after interest

Becoming like bankers? Nah stealerships have always ripped everyone off.

Blah, blah, blah

​@Sven Jorgensenn 75? More like 90 after 6 years

Gm makes more money with financing over vehicles.

Yeah , I bought a used Texas truck , 2005 GMC SIERRA 4X4, . They don't make them like that anymore. I need for work and couldn't see buying a turbo 4cylinder in a truck.

So true. Trucks used to be designed to carry/haul loads, now they're designed to carry people. I lost my shit when the megacab came out.🤬

Even worse is people in big cities that never go outdoors but full size pickups. I can understand buying a midsize so you can go camping or fishing on weekends but why do you need a full size pickup truck in the city? Makes no sense

When I used to work at pennDOT everyone else had full-size trucks of various brands and sizes, I had a couple of tacomas and would go scrapping at night and on the weekends. You’d see all these big trucks lined up with nothing in em sitting in the parking lot and there would be my tiny truck overflowing with scrap, sometimes hooked up to a trailer which was usually also over weight. I thought it was kinda funny. But then the dealers started only supplying trucks for those kinds of people. It’s dang near impossible to get the cheaper trim models with no options with a regular cab any more. They’re all expensive 4 door short or super short beds.

@@BoaConstrictor126 some of us city people actually work

Oh ya. I have no doubt some of them are still marking up. Just didn’t see that here. I even checked online prices and no markups were listed. Glad to hear that dealers doing the markups are losing allocations. Thanks for the info.

Only way I found out was when I complained at auto show to company rep. They told me about it. First time around put deposit for an order and salesmen switched to their name. 4 months later a call from salesmen demanding $10k and private sale. Found out he was fired but I did threaten him and got money back. I was not the only victim. Dealership's only question was did I get the deposit back. They could care less after that. Toyota is looking into it.

So Timothy... you ended up paying msrp? Not good. By you paying msrp you are paying exactly what the manufacturer wants you to pay. That's not a deal my friend. Hard to believe that people are now paying msrp and celebrating about it, lol.

Well when you need a car and your current one needs $3500 in repairs, which is the smarter move. Throw money into a piece of crap 2018 Jeep 2dr Wrangler with 25k miles with electrical issues or bite the bullet and at least get the money out of the Jeep in trade which was a lot. In this market you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled first. I made the right choice.

Dealers do not have to honor smart path. A lot of them won't for popular models

Used trucks are insane too

Smart move!

I made the mistake of buying a used F150 with the 5.4L before knowing that a POS it was. Even still, I paid $5000 cdn for 2004 FX4. I've put $5000 into it and will continue to maintain it because it is still cheaper than $80K + for a new one or even $25K for a 10 yr old one. Trucks up here in Canada are insane...the money they want for a used one is nuts.

I understand completely. My '18 GMC Sierrra loaded and is paid off and just about when I think of buying a new truck, I ask why, for what, a couple more gadgets and a bigger screen?? $100K+ just seems outrageous for a truck

Unfortunately they aren't designed and intended to last and drive forever!

We just picked up my Wife’s new Prius that we ordered 3 months ago. Paid MSRP 37k. And now there’s a 8 month wait. I’m a Chevy truck guy. And have no desire for a new one.

inflation. our dollar lost mad value in 3 years. no one buying treasury bonds. the dollar is toast. be prepared to pay 100k for a new vehicle. that use to be called being middle class. welcome to the future.

I am seeing Honda not marking up most of their vehicles (minus the Civic and Type-R). Mazda's are sitting on the lot and Chevy and Ford cannot sell trucks currently. That should be a sign for anyone that this high prices will come down really soon.

you can get a Sr crewmax 4x4 for 45k

You dodged a bullet there by not getting that truck.

Yep, in the exact same boat. Pro model isn't even available now, so it's actually $70,000 after tax and destination fee

Same here. I placed a reservation in July of 21 for a Lightning Pro at $39,900. I got the email 2 weeks ago that my number is called. I called my dealer and told them to stick that Lightning where the sun doesn't shine. Absurd they want 60k for a base lighting work truck. Blow me Ford!

@@truthserum5310 FORDS BLOW UP TO SH!T ANYWAY. Don't buy one!!!!!

Bravo - once more people tell them "Screw You" (I'd use my firmist Christian tone possibe) to their GOUGING, and walk away - those prices will drop like a STONE. Cause that's unsustainable BS territory there ! Market pressure when prices meet reality. Bottom line many, perhaps a majority of new car & truck sales are DISCRETIONARY, meaning your old vehicle is still FINE for continued service but too many have become pampered & conditioned to expect "New Every 2" years car / truck trade ins. I have idiot neighbors who do this - they're fearful of breakdowns, ignorant of how to maintain their own vehicles & plain LAZY. You now have a MAJORITY of the population that are like this - and it's flat out UNSUSTAINABLE. When I was a kid in the 60-70s most Dad's at least changed their own oil & did break jobs + taught their sons how to. Precious few today are taught such practical skills, they all play on computers afraid to dirty their hands. It's all coming home to ROOST. And we've no one to blame but ourselves !

I bet its still at least $5000, too.

$5k in 1980 is $18,254.85 in todays money, adjusted for inflation.

​@@internetguy1260 minimum wage was $3.10 an hour in 1980. I bet his Chevy like most trucks of the time is pretty basic.

And it's likely worth more than you paid for it in 78! A clean square body goes for darn good money in our area.

@@phillmckrakin2518 That is why they survived. And we know that. Its also why we like thrm.

Same for a few people in my family. There is a reason Toyotas are selling so fast

Honestly its sad but if you want a reliable american car your gonna have to go early 2000s late 90s

Same with GM. A few years ago we got a new equinox and Silverado. Both were unreliable garbage. Ford is no better. Now we have a Toyota highlander and no problems. However, I live in the Detroit area, so it’s kinda sad not driving a car built by the companies in my area

@@waldo2600 More like 1912 Model T.

We have a fleet of Ford EcoSports. In all 5 of them , the engines blew up before 80,000 highway miles.

FUCK TOYOTA

Same here, Ford and Toyota marked up 5k to 10k above MSRP. The GM dealer did not

My friend bought 2023 Toyota tundra TRD. At 103k out the door. I was like wtf.

@@sfcjones2590 -- Three months ago, the GM/Chevy dealership was marking up the truck/SUV - the Suburban (these things are beasts!) by $16K. Three weeks ago, we purchased the same Suburban for MSRP. Prices are coming down. Is MSRP rising?

Problem is people are still buying them. I’m boycotting buying a car until I can pay MSRP out the door again. Yeah that’s with the tax. I use to talk them down to everything in the price dealer fees and tax and I only paid the price of the MSRP. So I got the car for thousands under MSRP.

Guess what, people are leasing them. So in 3 years, there will be a lot of nice cars and trucks for sale with about 30-50k miles. These might end up being good deals

I farm, and needed more expenses for my taxes last year, so I bought a $60k Ram and wrote the entire thing off. Many tradesmen do the same thing. It's better to spend the money on yourself than give it to the government in taxes that they'll waste. As for non-self employed people, I couldn't tell ya.

@@svenjorgensenn8418 lol nope. They will just charge you $30-$40k for a used one.

@@kenshinhimura9387 More like 50. Used car prices are just as absurd.

Most cannot, they are leveraged to the eye balls. Those folks will be the first ones to turn their truck over when there is a little snag in their income. Repo's are on the rise and used car sales are down this last month. Stand by, in 4 to 6 months there will be a ton of used cars to pick from.

2008 was 15 years ago. A LOT has changed since then

@@Txpo50 Chris what an intelligent reply on this blog filled with morons. I bought a house in 70s for 40K and a truk for 4K. Do the math on what this house is worth today in North Carolina and then talk truk prices in terms of relativity. The morons here cannot even balance a capital one debit card but r truj price experts.

47,427.42 today, adjusted for inflation. That's still half of a fully loaded truck today...

I bought a lightly used F150 back in 2002, four wheel drive, V8, supercrew. For 19K I still own that truck. 😊

That’s coming

When already?!

Yes, you are correct. Nobody is talking about it. Banks know, it will be on news for everyone to see and hear , be wise don't get caught up in this insane Manipulation 😢

If people would quit living on credit and go back to living on MONEY, wages would go up, as people would instantly found out that they are seriously underpaid.

@@michaelbenardo5695 no.

People these days have gone crazy and will buy exorbitantly expensive brand new vehicles when good slightly used vehicles costs MUCH less.

I won't play the new vehicle game. Not because I can't, but at the end of the day it is something that gets you from point A to point B. A nice used car well maintained with lower miles works for me. Pay cash, no debt.

I honestly don't know how average consumers are affording these prices especially with housing alone skyrocketing in price. I just have to assume people are swimming in unimaginable debt. Government spending isn't setting a good example either. Just run up the tab. How big can the bubble get before it finally bursts and when it does how bad is the situation going to be then ? Scary to think about.

@Paul When supply comes back the prices will fall. Will they fall to 2018 levels? No. Dealers and factories are greedy. When the supply comes back and one of them starts walking away with sales figures they will start putting large rebates on them again. Guaranteed.

@@truckguy6.7 no, it will not, the makers will reduce supply to maintain pricing

I did the same with my 2018 Silverado Z71. Never again

@@zoobrizz I have the same. A silver 2018 Silverado Z71 that I paid $38K for. Gonna keep it forever I guess.

@@tho464 Hopefully it'll actually last forever, I definitely don't trust any Chevys newer than like, 2003...

71 year old driver here. I am driving a 1996 Toyota Tacoma 4 banger with 224 K miles - A/C, auto trans, everything still works great. This old truck starts and runs like a champ, the paint looks good and everything works. ALWAYS DO THE REQUIRED MAINTENANCE on time and enjoy your older vehicle - please note that car insurance gets cheaper as the miles and years pile up. Don't beat your vehicles to crap like SO MANY THOUGHTLESS people do. Drive the speed limit, modest starts and stops, warm up the engine for 20 - 30 seconds every morning before driving, keep up all basic maintenance as per the owners manual, and last but not least, smile all the way to the bank every day. A new car DOES NOT EQUAL ETERNAL JOY. Do you want money in the bank or do you want an older but very reliable vehicle? You decide. I TOTALLY AVOID AMERICAN MADE CARS BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE IS nearly as long as Toyotas or Hondas. Yes, the Toyotas and Hondas are a bit more pricy but they last longer than other brands.

@@perindne I agree on the longevity of Toyota and Honda, but I really don’t like how thin the doors and sheet metal feel on a foreign truck. They make me feel like I wouldn’t make it out of an accident alive. That being said my other car is a Honda Accord which will last forever. My last Accord I drove for 220,000 miles before I decided to move to a Hybrid and I now get 50 MPG highway. Gotta love that.

Call them out for false advertising

They indeed do that, so you have to go, work on the MSRP(getting it lower) then work on the add-ons(removing them and lowering the price on the ones they won't remove, make sure you ask the salesperson for a print out of every little thing they are adding to do this and be sure you get it and then do the math to make sure it's all there). The online MSRP on my 2023 Tacoma TRD off road 4x4 that I just purchased in March was $41,791. When I got there, the inflated price was $48,788. I immediately asked the salesman for a complete printout of every single little add on/option they threw in to make the price balloon and then I told him I want to negotiate just the MSRP without anything they added. I got the MSRP down to $37,000 flat, then I went down the list on every single add on and had him remove/negotiated on the ones they would not remove. I got him down to just under $42,000 with the add ons, then went with the finance manager and since they still would not remove the useless KAAR alarm, I had them deactivate it and saved an extra almost $600. I had the finance manager promise to paint my rear bumper chrome caps at no charge to me as part of the deal(make sure to get that or anything like this or any promises in writing in the forms you are filling out) the same Lunar rock color as the whole truck and declined any and all warranties and service plans he tried selling me(you can get those at a later time if you'd like). Out the door with all taxes and registration fees, I paid $44,627. It was pretty tough and I did not enjoy it at all, but I think I did OK from where I was and from where I could have been. Dealerships are there to rip you off as much as you let yourself. Never speak about monthly payments, downpayments or anything else, never let them run you credit or even inform them of what it may be like besides not bad, don't talk to them about how much money you make and stick to your guns and be ready to walk away! Negotiate price, total price with add ons and then, and only then, move forward. I did have great credit and a downpayment of $12,000 as well as a pre approval from my credit union for 3.99%. I informed the fincnance manager of this and they not only matched it, but went lower at 3.5%.Good luck!

@@erod6468great advice, thanks

@@paul562 agreed, but compared to what most people are getting ripped off for, I think I did OK and instead of being completely raped, I was at least wined and dined.

@@paul562 yeah, anything pro they will not budge much if at all. To be honest, unless you really, really, really just want the pro(tacoma at least), they aren't really worth it. I got my off road and I already have a better suspension than what comes on the pro, have better wheels and tires, got a grill(bronze trail edition) and the inside is pretty much the same minus leather which I personally don't like. It also has the rear diff locker and the crawl control, so really just a better factory suspension(not even that great to be honest) and mostly cosmetic differences is what differentiates them. All for way less than anything pro. Not worth it in my opinion, especially if you'll still be modifying it. To each their own though.

We did the same on a Highlander.

Agreed. You go to the dealer and they show you an allocation list of what you're interested in that is coming in. You select and put down a payment then wait, up to three months. They call when your truck arrives. Tacomas are high demand vehicles.

Exactly what I did for my Tacoma off road 2021. Saves me 5k based on other dealership's mark up.

Went to a Toyota Dealership to do the same last week. Luckily they had gotten 5 Tacoma’s a day before. Picked up on with a $3k discount on MSRP.

Thats how I feel. My house mortgage is $1100 a month. In 10 years my house will still be worth something and have value. How much value/worth will all these overpriced small displacement turbo charged trucks have in 10 years?

@@windjammerjohn right my mortgage is 1,160 a month and my house has gained 150k + buy a new car and it drops what 10 to 20% the minute you leave to lot .

@@windjammerjohn First off, there's no such thing as a new car that can be bought that only goes up in value. But given vehicle used price trends from the last 15 years, truck values depreciate a lot slower than cars. The chances you'd be upside down on a truck during the course of the loan is A LOT lower. I say this from experience. I'm halfway through the loan (used car loan, meaning higher interest than new) on my truck and I'm already at the point where I'd be in the green if I sold it.

Yeah, I only buy cars 20k max.... And never buy new....

@@simpolang good idea no point in being car poor

I just picked up my 2023 Tundra at msrp from mark miller. Robin is my salesman and will continue to give them my business. honest dealership.

Even without markups......you are being royally screwed.......they are 'mass produced items like toasters and blenders.......they can stamp them out by the millions.......they have perfected making them cheap and fast.....then selling them at outrageous prices to dummies with more dollars than sense.......

His family also funded the Land Cruiser museum in SLC. Great facility!

Honda never had a market adjustment either. We bought a brand new Pilot Black last year from Don Jacobs, Louisville KY, no markup!

Where is the dealership

You acting like you got a deal, bruh you got robbed clean

Buy a used Nissan or Datsun or Ridgeline for ur pocketbook and then test drive a RAM 1500 Limited to discover what a loser U r driving these inferior pik ups but at lo costs so U can eat lunch tomorrow without Jello as dessert.

ILL tell YOU WHAT ! Back in 1973 my DAD bought New F-350 - 1 ton 2 wheel drive truck with 390 engine, granny 4 speed transmission for $3600 Bucks ! That's 3 Thousand 6 hundred Dollars!

@@Jerry-up8bk lol

Car dealers, regardless of brand get a bonus called "kickback money" from the manufacturer every year based on the number of units they have sold for the time period so they do not have to add extra money to the MSRP. Dealers are not very smart people or they would realize they are sending buyers always by this bad business practice. None of the car manufacturers tell dealers to sell above sticker price nor do they condone this. Large Ford dealers seem to be the worst offenders. New cars are already too high selling at MSRP. What ever happened to incentives and rebates? Still new car dealers are able to move the numbers around to whatever they want them to be to look more appealing to the customer. Did you ever notice that some car sales people will avoid from being specific about payments even after a drawn out time of negotiation in order to get you on into the finance office to start closing the deal. That's when the final numbers are revealed. May be more money than the deal deal you tried to get but by then you're too worn down to negotiate further. You want the car or truck and go ahead because you figure it's the best deal you're gonna get at that dealer even though it's more than you originally more than you wanted to pay. Buying a new vehicle can be a nightmare especially by the time you get to the finance office. By then you've surrendered your right to walk away. The dealer's got you where they want you.

A Toyota dealer in St. Augustine is doing >>>> "MARKET ADJUSTMENT" ON NEW & USED!!!! GO FIGURE????? FLAP YOUR TAIL AT THAT!!!!!

Arizona has a couple Toyota dealers selling MSRP with only a small add on package, less than $1k. Even a TRD Pro Sequoia.

@@thorsky2754 Do you know the location of those dealers?

How did you manage that! I just got back from Texas and NO ONE would sell me a truck without jumping through all the hoops. If a truck is being registered in CA they don’t have the smog equipment to test to CA levels. I searched the TX DMV for the requirements to register my truck in Texas and it required I live in TX for 30 days, supply a Texas address, provide proof of residency. The kicker is I wanted to buy the truck in TX because I am moving out of CA but need to wait till my house sells before I can do that. I need the truck to move.

01 Tacoma prerunner here. Frame and engine replaced, current engine has about 200k, trans and body have almost 500k miles. Still does what I need her to do.

Nah, Nissan's challenging period was between 2010 and 2018. They just started leaving the malaise they've been going through since Carlos Ghosn was removed from his position. But he absolutely saved them from bankruptcy in the late 90s and breathed massive life into their products from 2002 to 2010.

@@SurelyYewJest Nissan is Renault now. Stay away, far, far away… There’s a reason they lead the way in sub prime lending.

I have a lexus ls430 2001 with 360,000 miles. Original engine and transmission. Original starter and alternator. It is the best car I ever had. I also have the lexus ls460 L and it a great car also.

@Steve Chadwick I had ls430 2001 for 20 years and they are bullet proof cars. I have had a few mechanic work on ls430 2001 and they say it will easily go over 500,000 miles if I keep up the maintenance.

Not only did you win financially but you got those before all the parts shortages and poor quality control. These new cars and trucks being sold are all riddled with major issues that might show up in a few months, a few years, or just randomly on a road trip your wheel decides to drive off into the sunset without you.

If you bought them with cash then your might be in a decent spot but if you have a garbage 72 month loan with double digit interest rates then buddy you were fucked hard in those deals.

And they feel cheaper made than ever.

The Tacoma broke into the 40's back in 2020 in Texas. I can kick myself for not buying the base Tacoma for 24k when I had the chance in 2019.

Got mine for $ 43k 100k warranty parts and labor TRD sport

Not Ford and GM

What’s wild to me is people are still buying them. At what price point do people say enough?

It's the new increased MSRP that includes more money for the dealer now.

I remember when trucks like the tacoma and the ford ranger, hell even the tundra were supposed to be basically entry level type trucks, or aka the affordable trucks. And as time goes on they are becoming more and more out of reach.

You are buying around $ 400 total in scrap prices , that is all it cost in materials, I know about R&D and tooling , if they did not have to meet these EPA numbers every year maybe they could build the same truck for let's say 10 to 15 years and just build the same thing in different colors and trim with the same body , engine , transmission , ect . . . . the cost to the consumer would drop . Overbuild everything and pick a reliable engine / transmission and have maybe 2 models an economy model with a high torque 4-cylinder engine and a V-8 heavy duty model , manufactures used to do this and almost anyone could afford some kind of a new car or truck , all they would do year to year was to change the trim , grill while keeping the basic car the same . If the EPA would lower the C . A . F . E . ( Corporate Average Fuel Economy ) numbers .The manufacturers would also need to stop screwing with the C . A . F . E . numbers and build what people need and not what the E.P.A. wants , maybe we could have a light-duty truck for everyday use that is not a gas hog . I'm all for bigger is better but we are being lied to , I would rather use a light-duty truck over one of these huge monsters any day , I'm not a contractor so why should I be forced to drive one of these giants . When was the last time you saw a truck like everyone built back in the 1970's , like the Ford / Mazda Courier , the Chevy / Isuzu LUV , or the small Toyotas Datsuns ? That is all most people would ever need but they don't exist new , you are forced to buy only the biggest thing that still only takes up one lane . Like I said I'm all for bigger is better , but we should also have a choice and not have to pay out the butt for their choice 🤬

Because we're american, we want less for more to keep up with the Jones

⁠@@dannyjohnson6967self effacing, anti Americanism. Yeah, nowhere else in the world are people behaving like this. Everywhere else in the world, people are handling their money perfectly and doing it all with perfect underlying motives. Oh America….if only you were more like everywhere else in the world.

Your parents got scammed into buying a $30k truck for $60k. Especially considering it only costs them $12,000 to build it.

@@vincea1830 They did not ‘get scammed’. That implies that they ended up paying more because of some lack of caution or failure to be informed. Instead, they were victims of a racket. Like most other average people, they had no means to evade paying what they did, and fortunately not more. There is virtually no chance of paying what these things are really worth even if you know exactly what that number is. The buyer shouldn’t bear the guilt of overpaying the way the game is rigged, instead, these companies should feel the guilt of the racket they are running.

Damn that's ridiculous. Carlock Toyota in Arkansas sold me a brand new 22 TRD Off Road 4runner for literally MSRP February of last year.

GR Corolla I could understand, but a regular pick up truck no.

@@harrisonom why? The trucks he is looking at are in the 60-70k MSRP range and the base model GR Corolla is 40k MSRP. Why does it need a 10k market adjustment for the **base model**??

@@mmark9644 because the gr corolla is rare, and it will sell with the markup... and likely hold its value

@@cosmicapple9921 an affordable sports car shouldn’t be marked up to the point where it isn’t affordable anymore. A dealer just listed a Morizo edition for 105k. It’s unreasonable.

wait until that tesla breakdown after warranty is gone, who are you going to get it fix from? If you call tesla they will charge u an arms and legs.

My Tesla was $4k cheaper then a Toyota RAV4.

@@rodrigocortes3641 YOu save now but when that thing break down u will pay for it later.

@@rodrigocortes3641 It should be. Tesla has terrible quality control and service options.

​@dang0088 da what breaks on them besides a battery (after many years). It's wheels and an electric motor. The software on it is actively maintained and regularly updated so any problems there will get fixed for free over time.

No sellers for any service or industry, regardless of what they say, are interested in reducing price gouging. Price gouging will only be corrected after we all fall. Im just concerned we won't all fall together..

@@13whip13 That's the problem. Some affluent individuals have a safety net so they don't care how bad things get.

Bro Elk Grove Toyota is where it’s at!! The only thing is that they only have the SR5s but they are getting a couple limiteds in soon!! How is the drive? I test drove a limited in Roseville but not the sr5. Am I missing out on it compared to a Tacoma sr5

@@vendettauzumaki I am coming from a 3/4 gmc diesel ,I wanted more options,but this is what was allocated to them ,I told them I wanted white or silver with black interior,I am very happy with the sr5 ,it has everything I need . Quiet ,smooth ride .👍❤️

For $50k I can drive 10 yo Bentley Continental GT.

Had the same experience. Used Off-Road Tacoma's, earlier model years with mileage, were pricing more than buying New. Also, did not want to rely on the maintenance previous owners had performed on their vehicles.

@@georgedreher2322 agreed ,this is my last truck anyway, knowing the maintenance history and how it was taken care of is very important,I was told the truck would be built with the build sheet ,8/8/22 in Texas I bought it 8/12 in Elk Grove ,as of today I have 1,823 miles will change oil at 5k 👍