Hello

What's your name Gabby

Gabby

He didn't turn on Atrac so one wheel wasn't spinning. They all suck at off roading Toyotas. They don't do their homework and just asume they are the best at off roading.

This killed me. “All that other stuff is unnecessary” *proceeds to have issues due to not using A-Trac*

@@Austin-iq7ds I mean he then proceeded to use a little bit of momentum and then make it up no problem

It was me in the 4th gen. Was truly awesome and random to run into Andre and Nathan. They are cool dudes to chat with and meet irl.

@@Mallrunner Hey that’s awesome! Love your rig, I’m a fellow 4th gen owner 😎 but yeah they seem like chill guys

Yeah...nothing quite like vehicles that come with a "strut" mode...

Toyota REALLY needs to put a v8 back in a 4Runner. But then instead of being $53k they’ll be $73k because Toyota.

Doubt toyota will ever put v8 back into the 4runner due to fuel economy and emissions. Probably will be a turbo 4cyl soon

You’re right! Lock the rear, push a-trac button and use your foot on the gas pedal. These guys have done so many videos on these vehicles with a-trac and have never utilized it properly without jumping to crawl control.

Exactly. I've come across a few "stuck" Toyotas (I have one) and I have pressed the button (ATRAC/MTS) for them so they can get out on their own. It could be easier to understand the traction systems but reviewers fail to use that button.

yeah, I don't understand why he talks about the tools available just prior to the scene, and then doesn't use them.

They seem clueless

Thank You. You think they would get a clue. Please do your homework.

Yeah these dudes don't really know what they're doing off road, and its pretty embarrassing.

What else would you expect from “Automotive journalists”? 😅

4Runner would’ve walked right up that razor rock part lol

They get paid to do this too 😅

Great and you can easily add lockers front and rear if you chose.

@@Word-Life whatever do you mean?

Agreed. Need more Nathan.

Yep. Nathan adds a funny, and little sarcasm twist to the videos. POWERWAGON DONT CARE!!!

We've been saying that for a week and I THINK THEY'RE FINALLY LISTENING TO US haha.

Agree 100%, Have wondered why we seem to see less and less of him. Always appreciated his content over the years and, to me, he is part of the crucial bedrock that makes TFL so special.

He used to have a only fans set up but I think he deleted it

Yes!

Ah, but according to Nathan, all he needs is a rear locker. A-Trac and Crawl Control are useless, in his opinion.

Exactly!!! A-TRAC is the right tool for that job. Especially if you don’t want to use crawl control. Love my TRD Off Road!

@@samevans4525 I’m curious, How did you come up with that? Active Traction Control or A-Trac only works in 4Lo. I use it all the time when I go wheeling on my FJ. Ref. 2013 FJ Cruiser Owners Manual page. 182.

@@tirsorosario5940 they were in 4 lo..

You can get the FJ Cruiser in a manual, that's about as close as you're to get. And the nice thing is that it's full-time 4H, so you don't have to switch 2H/4H when the weather gets bad.

@@jimmy-buffett yeah in regular driving it’s a 40/60 split. Have the option to switch to 4high or 4low giving 50/50

Auto lokka at the front, no compromise. They're not expensive and DIY if mechanically minded

Same but toyota never gives us Americans what we want and it sucjs

In the 70,s the 4 runner was stick

You don’t need to engage the locker in order for A-TRAC to work. You just have to be in 4lo

@@ZacTexC Ya because if I'm not mistaken that is Toyota's front locker.

@@neilmurphy845 center diff lock

No center diff lock

I own a 16 trail premium and yes crawl control has its own way of controlling spin

I’ve got the trd off road 21 model I love it I put a leer camper and 32in ko2 all you need don’t lift the truck just cut and take off the mud flaps

@@samsoniteman24 Yeah! It's been a great truck. Great info by the way on the 32inch KO2s. I was contemplating getting the factory lift from Toyota, but really wasn't sure if I wanted a lift...worries about handling etc... So, just trim the mud flaps and your good on clearance with the 32s?

Truth

Thanks Cap'n obvious

Depends on the type of snow

@@Pneuma3301 I’m personally not sure I can think of a snow scenario where airing down would be worse than staying at highway pressures.

They are comparing stock i do believe. Essentially as it is from the factory.

@@alexanderblackburn4520 those stock factory air pressure recommendations is why Firestone has so much trouble with people having blowouts ... they put in the minimum pressure a tire can operate with and expect people to top off everyday... use the full pressure for street and 15 to 25 for off road, depending on the tire

@@philtripe TFL has gone over this a ton of times. For these test they test in stock configuration. On some trails they do air down, and they are fully aware of how much it can help.

You're right. Doesn't matter what car or tire you use if you drive at 35psi. They should be around 18psi right now.

Actually over ice you should not air down, you want high pressure per square inch

Yup. They have no idea what they are doing. They’ve done this so many times and have absolutely learned nothing. They should seek training. They also have zero understanding on the systems they drive work. I guess it caters tot he lowest intelligence person that would not purchase these and go to these places anyway. They are stumbling fools.

They used to air down, and no longer do for some reason, but if neither vehicles air down it’s still a fair comparison. I would t say they don’t know what they are doing since they have hundreds of thousands of subscribers watching lol

@@joshc606 but kind of does a disservice to the vehicles by not showing their true capabilities

@@johnmadsen37 it just seems like they test it based on people who have never gone offroad before but it does a disservice by failing to show the true capabilities of the cars/trucks they test. Like in one comparing a bone stock outback to a tacoma trd offroad in a snow driving test without evening the field with the LP Adventure package available for subies. Instead testing A/T tires on the tacoma to freeway tires on the outback. I have an 18 crosstrek that can do everything they did with these trucks and more.

@@danieljackson-woods6225maybe it's a time/money issue. Waiting to get the perfect trim with best/comparable tires could take a while when they really want to crank out videos.

Stock tires on both, blame Toyota. I had Duratracs on my 4Runner at 400 miles. Also, please avoid KDSS on the 4Runner until the 6th gen if you plan on offroading. It was added a few years into the 4Runner's run and the way they routed the hydraulic lines -- under the frame just behind the driver front wheel -- is a big risk offroad. I specifically went with the TRD Off Road withOUT KDSS for exactly this reason. www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/262325-kdss-armor-must-have-any-rock-crawling.html As for the TRD Pro, the only reason to buy it is the unique color. You can build a TRD Off Road into something better than a Pro for less money. Dealers don't give good deals on the TRD Pro, but you can get the Off Road's for cheap. That's what I did. OME BP-51's, BudBuilt skids / sliders, Expedition One bumper / winch. I'm into my truck for about what I would have paid in Denver for a TRD Pro and I have a better truck.

@@jimmy-buffett yup, that's why I opted out on kdss when I got my 2021 4runner trd off road premium the past weekend. And are considering upgrading the suspension lift and tires. Maybe wheels as well.

Ko2s are ok, but there's for sure better. Depends on what terrain and weather u need tires for. For this application, id rather have st maxx

@@timmyadam3542 K02s are pretty much AMAZING in rocky desert terrain and unbelievably quiet on road. Those tires fully deserve their hard earned reputation. I am running the STT Pro's on my TJ because I didn't want quite as stiff a sidewall on that vehicle. Louder tire but really comfortable ride. So far so good offroad but I've found the traction a little less predictable under certain circumstances. Both offer great bang for the buck imho, just think the K02 probably has an edge in a lot of applications. ***disclaimer- I have basically no real experience in snow with either set of tires...so no idea how they compare in that respect.

Get some Toyo R/Ts or Nitto Ridgegrapplers. Those are the 2 best tires out right now for on/off road driving mix.

I bought an SR5 base model. Just changed out the tires to Yokohama geolander AT's. snow rated and good 2 go😁

Well, you still don't know. Different tires on each, and not the appropriate tires for the terrain and conditions.

A-TRAC would have also solved that problem, but crawl control let’s you focus only on where you’re putting the truck

Cj7...

@@PatrickHenryLibertyorDeath Made today. Jeeps were reliable before Chrysler bought out AMC but they still were never as reliable as Toyotas.

I agree. Actively in the process of getting rid of the jeep and grabbing a 4runner.

Agreed. I traded in my 08 JKU for a 21 Taco TRD Offroad. Extremely happy!

My jeep made 250,000km with ZERO issues! and I traded it in for 25,000$ it was a 2015 and bought a new gladiator. No issues yet! You Toyota boys always so quick to judge the reliability of a vehicle you DONT have

No need they’re still selling 4x the zr2

@@alyx2yonde301 Yep, leave the customers hanging and wanting for more while the competition passes them by. But hey, Toyota still sells more units because of perceived resale and reliability. People are suckers. The ZR2 is a better off-roader for your money

@@shiftmotorsports9803 absolutely. Just watch this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iMmoisKElZ2mlWg.html No stock Tacoma is climbing that without ripping the entire front fascia off.

Unfortunately it seems to be a Theme that Nathan believes that ATRAC is part of MTS and Crawl Control system. Tommy and Andre seem to understand ATRAC better.

ATRAC rules! Use it!! It’s a software based locking diff, if you will. It always surprises me when I use it, in the worst case, lock the rear differential.

@@jenniferspencer3095 Thanks for clearing that up for me Jennifer. Actually, I used it on the same obstacle in the same vehicle in another video. I simply prefer a traction control system that gives me more control. Sorry you’re dissatisfied.

Yeah, they really don’t know what they’re doing offroad, despite all the vids they make about it. I have an LR4 with rear locker but similar to atrac for front (although I don’t have to manually turn it on) and its the same thing- slow steady throttle so the system will sense the slip, apply the brake and transfer the power. Most people do the worst thing for these systems- they let off the throttle when they feel slip. Or they give too much throttle and wind up bouncing all over hitting the underside or losing control of their line. Smh. Man there is more to offroading than just jumping in a truck and driving. Learn what you’re doing and how your rig works.

Isn't the 4runner very similar to the prado?

@@mokseee definitely in the chassis platform. The Lexus GX460 is a Prado. The Hilux and Fortuner sit on a smaller chassis, but the Prado has the same engine and transmission, making it a bit under done for its size. A V6 diesel or petrol hybrid will fix that problem. The point is, the platform for the Taco and 4Runner is much better than the hilux/fortuner.

@@garrygraham7901 yea, the prado really lacks a little power and/or efficiency. Doing alot of highway driving in my j12 and that 3 liter diesel is definitely jugging more than I'd like. Since we can not get the 4runner in germany either my only other option would be the gx470, but that isn't really fuel efficient either. Looking forward to the upcoming prado series, since I heard it might get that new turbo diesel from the 300

@@mokseee I think the V6 would be great, but might hurt 300 series sales, at least here in Aus. Emission control restrictions are literally killing diesels so the future, like it or not, is in petrol hybrid engines which have good power and efficiency outputs. I reckon it is worth waiting a few years to see what Toyota do.

How about if u want to buy a couch or fridge? Still tacoma is universal use lol

@@alyx2yonde301 you can just have it or get it delivered no problem

Thank you so much!

I am deciding between the two. Any suggestions or advice would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Without identical tires it's hard to say anything.

Really...I must have imagined being stuck in Dallas for two days because of an ice / snow storm. Or in Alpine, TX during a snow storm, or the week I spent in Amarillo when it snowed every day. Maybe you live in Huston or Galveston, but I can tell you that Texas gets snow.

*Manual* Tacomas don't have CC. Auto OR and Pros do.

Avoid KDSS on the 4Runner until the 6th gen if you plan on offroading. It was added a few years into the 4Runner's run and the way they routed the hydraulic lines -- under the frame just behind the driver front wheel -- is a big risk offroad. I specifically went with the TRD Off Road withOUT KDSS for exactly this reason. www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/262325-kdss-armor-must-have-any-rock-crawling.html

he should, rather than using “ momentum”. there is a user manual that comes with a runner.

I had a manual 4 runner in the 70’s had it for 12 years

Tommy too

Yep. I went back to hear it again.

I did the taco to 4Runner switch. It’s a big difference, a lot of little things that add up. The 4Runner is made to last longer when you look around at mechanical differences.

Can you please elaborate on what you like about the 4runner? I am in the market for a 4x4 and after test driving both automatic and manual Tacoma’s, I was a little disappointed. I still need to check out the 4Runner.

Last I recall, rumors of the next generation 4Runner sounded like they might turn it into a crossover. I really hope that is not the case.

@@AWDfreak that wouldn’t make any sense, they already have the highlander...

Well the 4Runner is made in Japan, that explains everything