Transmission Lines : part 2 | Let's take a journey with the signal inside the transmission line

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@daevid3299
@daevid3299 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I am at the moment studying telecommunications and although I had a loose idea what these concepts meant I never had such intuitive understanding that your videos provide. Also did you mean to show the Zo at 11:49 as 50 ohms? Shouldn't it be 80 or am I missing something?
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
yes, it should be zl=80. Here the source finally see the 80 ohms load impedance. thank you:)
@somenmohanty9557
@somenmohanty9557 Жыл бұрын
one of the best videos i have seen which explains the reflections of power signals in transmission lines.
@Dimas_Lopes
@Dimas_Lopes 2 ай бұрын
i wish i had these videos during my EE course teachers doing on boards and replicating with real components in the lab was so hard
@boyuanxiao7723
@boyuanxiao7723 Жыл бұрын
This is the clearest explanation I've seen of this topic - thanks for taking the time to make it!
@rudylopez6546
@rudylopez6546 Жыл бұрын
As a professional antenna engineer, I feel like I finally understand the mechanism of reflections instead of just memorizing this process. Thank you for the amazing video!
@SurvivalSquirrel
@SurvivalSquirrel Жыл бұрын
Congratulations! You can now call yourself a real engineer, and not only someone who has a master in engineering ;-)
@sagarrawat7203
@sagarrawat7203 10 ай бұрын
But i didn't understand. How is there conductance between wires in parallel?
@Blank-wv3uf
@Blank-wv3uf 10 ай бұрын
@@sagarrawat7203 If you consider the resistance of the wire insulation and the medium (seawater, air, etc), you can model it as an extremely large resistor. In almost all cases, it's so high that it can be treated as an open circuit. However, when dealing with extremely high voltages, the small amount of current that flows through this large resistance is not negligible in the case of per-unit-length circuits. So there is some resistance in parallel (shunt resistance), and therefore there is a conductance which is 1/R.
@sagarrawat7203
@sagarrawat7203 10 ай бұрын
@@Blank-wv3uf thanks. But, then why shouldn't we take resistance R in parallel too than conductance G? This G made it complex. Is G really different?
@MrFgibbons
@MrFgibbons 5 ай бұрын
Really nice illustration. I think until you appreciate the finite propagation speed of the signal, none of this transmission line stuff makes sense, but of course,it’s still really really fast, so hard to have much intuition. Your video really helps visualize the reflection due to impedance mismatch - why is there a reflected wave? Because it takes time for the input signal to reach the load! I’ve taken the coursework, understood the math, but never really understood the physics of it all until your video. Thanks!
@DrDovanik
@DrDovanik Жыл бұрын
This is gold! I really love the duality of the transmission problem from plenty’s pow. When I’ve studied it, the concept that really helped me to get to the point was the fact that nothing could travel faster than c, so the generator’s voltage phasor is actually a signal. Therefore this “signal” needs time to arrive to the end. But this visualisation had a lack on the reflections because it is not so immediate to immagine it from the signal pow. However this visualisation of the continuously correction of the capacitor’s voltage is brilliant.
@ragd4L
@ragd4L Жыл бұрын
This is wonderful, all the best!!
@naidusushantchandra7915
@naidusushantchandra7915 9 ай бұрын
Fantastic! most intuitive explanation so far
@omarmohamed3473
@omarmohamed3473 9 ай бұрын
Amazing content and a beautiful explanation!
@nikomo37
@nikomo37 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Things become more and more clear. What I still do not get right in electricity is active and reactive power propagation.
@algorithminc.8850
@algorithminc.8850 5 ай бұрын
Great series ... I look forward to scoping your other videos. Thanks. Subscibed. Cheers ...
@nasirulhaque8942
@nasirulhaque8942 4 ай бұрын
Beautiful!
@danieljohnson8437
@danieljohnson8437 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Daniel
@SuperSviki
@SuperSviki Жыл бұрын
An extremely helpful video.
@temp8420
@temp8420 3 ай бұрын
Great video hours of effort put in
@federicogemin1715
@federicogemin1715 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video
@harshaprasad9636
@harshaprasad9636 Жыл бұрын
Thank you 😍❤️
@horizon586
@horizon586 Жыл бұрын
Nice man it helps
@carlojoshualauengco38
@carlojoshualauengco38 Жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@ericadhikari1598
@ericadhikari1598 11 ай бұрын
thankkkkkk you very much
@claudioalbertoortega
@claudioalbertoortega Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Can you point usto the simulation software you used in this video. Thanks. Keep them coming.
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
Here I used keysight advanced design system (ads)
@pseufei839
@pseufei839 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Great video👍, but there’s one thing that I’m not sure. How do we choose appropriate capacitance and inductance when modeling the transmission line?
@sagarrawat7203
@sagarrawat7203 10 ай бұрын
I think we don't insert any capacitor and inductor in wire. 🤔not it's only wire?
@julianarturohoyosrodriguez5465
@julianarturohoyosrodriguez5465 11 ай бұрын
Great video! Very clear explanation. Why is the voltage on the 80 ohm charge not going to 320mV first? If we have the same current (4mA), the voltage on the load should be 80ohm*4mA = 320mA. What am I missing ? :D
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN 11 ай бұрын
which minute?
@hernanwindholz6739
@hernanwindholz6739 9 ай бұрын
9:42 "same current (previously 4mA) driving higher resistance (now 80ohm) gives us higher voltage, 245mV" @@TheSiGuyEN
@WEIDU
@WEIDU 5 ай бұрын
The forward current is the same 4mA, but 80ohm has backward (reflected) current, so total current is less than 4mA.
@luphiax4239
@luphiax4239 2 ай бұрын
if you see the graph at @9:48 it effectively reaches 0.32V (look at the spike voltage). But then if you calculate the reflection coefficient gammaL(80-50)/(80+50) and you multiply it for 0.2 you get 0.245 that is the reflected voltage. So the difference is 0.45V.
@AdityaRaj-kc4nv
@AdityaRaj-kc4nv Жыл бұрын
Hey, excellent video !!! I just wanted to ask that in the case where load impedance matches characteristic impedance( @8:50), is the output voltage level necessary 0 before the traveling wave gets to the load? I have seen a video of veritasium in which he says that there exists a minor voltage even before the wave reaches the load. P.S. I can give the link of the video of veritasium if you want. Thanking you in anticipation of your respnse.
@somenmohanty9557
@somenmohanty9557 Жыл бұрын
can you the veitasium link please.
@AdityaRaj-kc4nv
@AdityaRaj-kc4nv Жыл бұрын
@@somenmohanty9557 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pa-Pi5WUsq6ylWQ.html Arround @18:59
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
I will make a video soon replying to Veritasium. I think he was wrong. thank you for highlighting that point
@AdityaRaj-kc4nv
@AdityaRaj-kc4nv Жыл бұрын
@@TheSiGuyEN thank you so much for replying! Eagerly waiting for your video!
@enthusiastic_7
@enthusiastic_7 Жыл бұрын
this video is so amazing but I want to ask a question that if we cut the transmission of the signal after some time, the long wire is storing the charge. In lossless line how to discharge them or will they form an oscillation or not? please reply I am eagerly waiting.
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
The stored power will be discharged into the load
@ragd4L
@ragd4L Жыл бұрын
I have a question here, In the unmatched load condition, is it still correct to replace the rest of the line by the charecteristic impledence like we've done in ech of the individual "sections"
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
yes, as long as the signal is still travelling toward the load before reaching it. Before reaching the load, the signal doesn't know what kind of termination; it sees only the charecteristic impledence of the line.
@natureeeeyt
@natureeeeyt Жыл бұрын
Hello sir, im not quite understanding the whole concept of the video and i want to ask whats the point of examining this phenomena ? What does it do in our daily power transmission ? Does power reflect from my home back to the station ? Also if i see the generator voltage and my appliance voltage at the same synchronized clock frame, will it have a phase difference due to the signal delay ? We say power grid is in sync, but after watching those transmission line videos im in doubt. Please answer sir ty
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
Hope my newly uploaded video answered your questions
@karielf8947
@karielf8947 Жыл бұрын
You have a deep understanding of phenomenas, this not so easy for me. I have a question : From 0 to 5ps, this is the time of the capacito charge, then before the voltage is established , I see some ripples, they are do to what? And is there a possibility that thse capacitances filter HF? also there is a condition about distance between the 2 conductors to assume a TL, physically that correspond to what? On youtube we could see that all intresting scientific videos are in english, unfortunatly in french we dont. Also I had courses on TL and never the teacher talked about all of what you are explaining. THANKS a lot for these precious videos, even I dont get it all but I get some very precious informations.
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
"I see some ripples, they are do to what?" there're ripples because the circuit is not first order. The approximation at 4:00 is first order rc circuit, but this is very accurate. There are inductors and they should be taken into consideration for more accurate results. "And is there a possibility that thse capacitances filter HF?" They do filter HF. we applied a step voltage at the input, and the voltage at each section is low pass filtered as shown in the video. Also the overall response of the TL is sort of low pass filter response 13:14 (you apply step at the input and the output will settle after some amount of time govern by reflections as well as lp filteration associated with the capacitors) "there is a condition about distance between the 2 conductors to assume a TL, physically that correspond to what?" No, the only condition to assume a wire as a TL is that the length of the wire is much larger than the wavelength of the signal. the traces on PCB for example are considered TLs if the circuit work at high frequencies (wavelength is small). The distance between the two conductors actually affects the capacitance per unit length, and inductance per unit length which in turn would affect the value of the characteristic impedance and propagation constant (they depend on the capacitance and inductance per unit length). You can easily predict the effect of the change of the value of c, l, and zo (same graphs as shown in this video but with different values). If you have any other questions or recommendations, please don't hesitate to ask :)
@karielf8947
@karielf8947 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSiGuyEN thank you, I'm so glad to read you, your answers are very précious. I look for courses to understand deeply EM. Dovyou have références.thanks à lot
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
@@karielf8947 it depends on your background and what you want to learn. But in general, this is a good book: "Microwave Engineering by David M. Pozar"
@karielf8947
@karielf8947 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSiGuyEN thanks à lot. I m à phd in emc, and I use EM in my analysis. I need to predict what could happen, or to analyse measurements or analysis.
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
@@karielf8947 Great, Here're some of my favourite books: Engineering Electromagnetics. By John A. Buck, William H. Hayt Electromagnetics: With Applications By John D. Kraus, Daniel A. Fleisch Field and Wave Electromagnetics By David Keun Cheng This is a great course covering fundamentals of electricity and magnetism By Prof Walter Lewin: "8.02x - MIT Physics II: Electricity and Magnetism" kzfaq.info/sun/PLyQSN7X0ro2314mKyUiOILaOC2hk6Pc3j you can use this course to refresh your memory about the basic concepts but as an engineer, don't rely entirely on it.
@gauravchindarkar9841
@gauravchindarkar9841 7 ай бұрын
What a simplified lecture ╰(*°▽°*)╯
@karielf8947
@karielf8947 Жыл бұрын
I simulated thé circuit minute 4.32 on PSpice, I used DC crurent power, c 20fF, and R 50 Ohm. All crurent pass by thé resistor, thé capacitor does not charge anymore.dont know why.
@TheSiGuyEN
@TheSiGuyEN Жыл бұрын
you can upload a screenshot of your schematic as well as the results besides your question on the Discord server or the Reddit community (links are in the description) so that I can see where is the problem
@karielf8947
@karielf8947 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSiGuyEN ok thanks I will try. What I see is that PSpice does not show thé transient state only thé établished state. Thé time scale is good. I should see thé curve Vc=E(1-exp(-t/to).
@karielf8947
@karielf8947 Жыл бұрын
I just got thé answer, I had to défine initial conditions of the capacitor to 0. To indicate that thé capacitor is discharged. Youpi!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e6uAZbiBu6_RaaM.html
@narasimharaju6037
@narasimharaju6037 7 ай бұрын
Very good video to understand the reflections on transmission line . This is the basis and fundamental for SI analysis.
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