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Trash Taste

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00:00:00 Final week
00:00:38 Talking about the new Pokémon game
00:03:33 Joey explains why he likes Pokémon Scarlet and Violet
00:06:20 Pokémon lore
00:12:09 Being angry about the graphics
00:13:37 Pokémon breaks records
00:16:56 Garnt finishes God of War
00:20:39 God of War tricked Garnt's gamer brain
00:29:40 Honey
00:30:45 Bokksu
00:32:14 House of Dragon
00:36:31 Connor explains Game of Thrones
00:41:22 Garnt explains why he likes the latter seasons of GoT
00:47:11 Re:Creators
00:49:20 Popular indie games target a niche
00:52:17 Garnt wonders if he should start the Trails series
00:59:55 Connor only cares about gamer score
01:03:08 Garnt doesn't want to 100% after finishing a Tales game
01:05:32 Is streaming fun or work
01:07:39 Connor wants to stream more interesting IRL activities
01:13:51 Joey tried surfing
01:16:24 What sports make good streams
01:17:19 Weird outdoor stuff
01:19:34 Joey wanted to do a video about niche otaku stuff
01:20:46 Connor saw a gun shop in Japan
01:23:20 Fishing in a restaurant
01:24:27 Garnt is ashamed to ask for more sushi
01:25:35 Can our parents even use chopsticks
01:28:44 What Japanese food would we recommend for first timers
01:34:24 Connor isn't a fan of Greek food
01:37:43 Connor took Emily to eat lamb
01:40:06 How would you like your pork cooked
01:43:52 Allergies, they're weird
01:51:16 What nobody is allergic to

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@uknowfattyburger
@uknowfattyburger Жыл бұрын
I feel like every week for months now I've caught myself thinking about how Garnt might be the most unrelatable, yet not completely insane, person ever.
@vonwaq
@vonwaq Жыл бұрын
for sure. i agree with a lot of his takes, and even the ones i disagree with (the bread one lol) i can see how he would think that way and he just needs to try and not be stubborn about it to change his mind
@daydia5718
@daydia5718 Жыл бұрын
is that what you decide to dedicate your brain power to
@user-fl6xm1km1n
@user-fl6xm1km1n Жыл бұрын
I actually relate to a lot of garnt's takes with the excepcion of his food takes
@monstravictorious
@monstravictorious Жыл бұрын
Oddly I relate more to Garnt than the rest. His takes actually lines up with most of my preferences.
@bxyxg
@bxyxg Жыл бұрын
if you live in asia you almost 100% would relate more to grant
@phothewin6019
@phothewin6019 Жыл бұрын
Every time I think their tastes can't get any worse, _they get worse._ I love these guys.
@Rychee
@Rychee Жыл бұрын
Right 😭
@flameking2178
@flameking2178 Жыл бұрын
It's Called Trash Taste For a Reason
@RedYellowBird6889
@RedYellowBird6889 Жыл бұрын
If nothing else it fits their brand.
@ThePsylopAt
@ThePsylopAt Жыл бұрын
That's why we are here
@andr0zzsenpai
@andr0zzsenpai Жыл бұрын
Is that effin Notte as your PFP? top tier taste there RIP Dragalia
@Alexwantsbacon
@Alexwantsbacon Жыл бұрын
I love how Connor goes from praising how the World Building is great with most characters, including secondary ones in GoT, but then immediately gets disgusted by the same idea in an RPG series.
@blurb9319
@blurb9319 Жыл бұрын
Hearing Connor talk about plot and story structure in such an in depth way when talking about GOT gave me whiplash for a second there
@gigaazzahrawani6456
@gigaazzahrawani6456 Жыл бұрын
Ikr. Monke shouldn't have that kind of way with words.
@SuperDeathgun
@SuperDeathgun Жыл бұрын
Story in games: I sleep Story in TV/Movies: Real shit
@masudbillah6196
@masudbillah6196 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperDeathgun Well makes sense cause why else would you watch a movie or Tv series?
@sleeplessknight173
@sleeplessknight173 Жыл бұрын
That's what's so weird about him! It's not like he doesn't like plot and story telling, it's just that he HATES it in games. His ability to take in a story disappears once a controller enters his hands, it's uncanny.
@techpassion4126
@techpassion4126 Жыл бұрын
@@sleeplessknight173 This is a weird analogy I'll admit, but it's sorta like how if you want to eat tacos but I brought you to a steak place instead. Steaks are great, but you were in a Taco headspace. You were in the mood for tacos, not steaks. I have a few friends like Connor, and when they wanna watch a movie they want a movie, and when they wanna play games they just wanna play. Both are enjoyable things, but if they're in a gaming headspace they just wanna play and nothing else. I could also be talking out of my ass with these thoughts though so def take it with a grain of salt lol, but that's how I feel it's like at least!
@InvaderMEEN
@InvaderMEEN Жыл бұрын
gotta love how joey's justification for keeping up with pokemon is literally just the sunk cost fallacy
@wesnohathas1993
@wesnohathas1993 Жыл бұрын
Kind of explains why the whole Pokémon franchise banks on nostalgia bait more than anything else. Gamefreak knows their audience.
@Royal__Kitsune
@Royal__Kitsune Жыл бұрын
I mean maybe this is just me but I feel like you could say the same for most of nintendos franchises lol
@TheCocomunges
@TheCocomunges Жыл бұрын
@@Royal__Kitsune I mean, as they said. Metroid is still quality, so is Zelda and Mario. It’s just Pokémon that wouldn’t be given the time of day if it didn’t have that legacy behind it
@Dappis
@Dappis Жыл бұрын
@@Royal__Kitsune i have to disagree. Mario games are still consistently well crafted both in the gameplay and graphical sense. And even if i haven't been a fan of the Breath of the Wild era of Zelda (open world fatigue is real) i could not even pretend to make the argument that the game is "shit" in the same way as the recent pokemon games, everything the game tries to do it does well and functions without any troubles. The Kirby games have been great, Animal Crossing still goes hard, Metroid Dread is easily one of my favorites in the franchise, etc etc etc. Nintendo does milk nostalgia but with most of the franchises they at least have the decency to make sure that the product is still good, Pokemon is exceptionally poorly made compared to the other games they put out.
@DerpyDerpums
@DerpyDerpums 9 ай бұрын
​@@Royal__Kitsuneyou are objectively wrong. Mario and Zelda is constantly innovating and pushing their gameplay and world building to the limit
@bradyphillipisjwara1917
@bradyphillipisjwara1917 Жыл бұрын
Garnt explaining himself here reminds me of his "Life-Cycle of an Anime fan" video. You start out enjoying trashy shit, then you go thruogh your artisan phase of wanting to experience "complex writing" or "highly acclaimed" media, and then you get burnt out and finally reignite your passion by accepting you enjoy trashy shit.
@Kruxx26
@Kruxx26 Жыл бұрын
Never thought I would hear about Trails in a Trash Taste episode. I think Garnt and Joey would really like the games. You don't need to rush through them, just play them at your own pace. Also, the games are filled with banger tracks.
@Guy811
@Guy811 Жыл бұрын
Yeah trails is lit, I played most of them from June to November. I’ve taken a little break to play other stuff but I’m really excited to get back into it.
@Kruxx26
@Kruxx26 Жыл бұрын
@@Guy811 I've been playing them since 2018 and took breaks between them to play something else too. I like to do that to avoid any burn out. Hope you keep enjoying the franchise. You are in for a great time!
@jackie_stones
@jackie_stones Жыл бұрын
Def one of my fav game series.
@Speedracer6
@Speedracer6 Жыл бұрын
my absolute favorite jrp series
@UltimaKeyMaster
@UltimaKeyMaster Жыл бұрын
And then there's Connor with no concept of having to watch cutscenes-
@bryanbowler805
@bryanbowler805 Жыл бұрын
A take I completely agree with Connor, having a generation of Pokemon where the types are NOT grass, water, and fire would definitely be interesting and almost a breath of fresh air
@dodgerthud6645
@dodgerthud6645 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind, but I can understand why they never changed it. Since the games are primarily aimed at a younger demographic, the red-green-blue triangle very quickly explains the concept of type weaknesses in a intuitive way. A kid won't have to ask why water is strong against fire. But if you have uhh psychic-dark-ghosts starters or whatever, the concept becomes more abstract from get-go instead of later on in the game.
@dermicool2011
@dermicool2011 Жыл бұрын
Pokemon dark rising
@pathfindersunite
@pathfindersunite Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a triad of Fighting/Psychic/Dark starters
@zachrohler1047
@zachrohler1047 Жыл бұрын
Dragon, fairy, and psychic
@ceoofjeanneism6777
@ceoofjeanneism6777 Жыл бұрын
Electric, Rock, Steel The first gym is ground
@lucasd1384
@lucasd1384 Жыл бұрын
All the Trails fans coming out of the woodwork after this episode. I love it.
@oratorioeight6098
@oratorioeight6098 Жыл бұрын
There's a whole dozen of us!
@onepiecefan3969
@onepiecefan3969 Жыл бұрын
This series is my favorite piece of media ever, I urge everyone to play it if it sounds like something they'd be interested in
@pesky2119
@pesky2119 Жыл бұрын
just finished zero today, another 5 games to go
@Bainonis
@Bainonis Жыл бұрын
INDEED! Garnt would be in danger if he got into trails, it's exactly his thing
@1988theRick
@1988theRick Жыл бұрын
What's the actual name of the series though. I know Atelier is a whole different thing that Garnt mixed up.
@reiskyxaver5110
@reiskyxaver5110 Жыл бұрын
I would never thought I'd see the day Garnt mentioned Trails but I really really wish he's get into it cuz it just seems like something he would love, this is coming from someone who has Trails as his favorite series ever, seeing Garnt just thinking about starting it even if he prob won't just made me happy and excited for no reason lol
@Esteban_D_
@Esteban_D_ Жыл бұрын
I just realized Joey = Pokemon Garnt = God of War Connor = Elder Rings A true differed gaming style
@DasDieDerErik
@DasDieDerErik Жыл бұрын
Aka gaming to Feel good Experience something Improve
@robustsauce3349
@robustsauce3349 Жыл бұрын
Elder Rings?
@REREMO
@REREMO Жыл бұрын
Ah yes my favorite game. Elder rings
@Esteban_D_
@Esteban_D_ Жыл бұрын
Whops wrote it wrong *Edit note* Elden Ring
@greyfox4838
@greyfox4838 Жыл бұрын
JRPG nostalgia Narrative Fun gameplay
@narutoshippuden0121
@narutoshippuden0121 Жыл бұрын
So glad Trails is being mentioned, definitely an under rated series. really hope both Garnt and Joey gave them go whether off stream or on stream
@statesminds
@statesminds Жыл бұрын
The best series ever he needs to start with Sky trilogy tho pleasee
@CheekyCheeky
@CheekyCheeky Жыл бұрын
Everytime i heard Garnt and Joey talk about their love for a world building in media i was praying they would look into the trails games.
@jorntumrongwit9056
@jorntumrongwit9056 Жыл бұрын
If Garnt get into Trails imma fucking scream from joy
@maxy1172
@maxy1172 Жыл бұрын
I really hope they get into this
@semirionu
@semirionu Жыл бұрын
They perfectly captured my feelings about the series. I've been trying to dive into it for a couple of years now, but still haven't
@honilock577
@honilock577 Жыл бұрын
I've noticed recently that Connor's open laugh hapoens more and more. Even half a year ago it was quieter but now it's just all out, 40yo dad in a pub after his football team won and he's had a few beers. I love it
@jwly4809
@jwly4809 Жыл бұрын
You know trails is good when basic NPCs make continuous cameos across games that takes place in DIFFERENT countries and YEARS (Yes Ricky and Anton I'm looking at you.)
@timidalchemist8475
@timidalchemist8475 Жыл бұрын
Legit, the Series is so good that it makes me sad when other modern Jrpgs (outside of Dragon Quest) doesn’t have the depth of characterization with NPCs as Trails.
@itsyoboibrent
@itsyoboibrent Жыл бұрын
"The WORST Takes we've ever had" Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
@ausreir
@ausreir Жыл бұрын
All bread tastes the same still takes the cake.
@tc2241
@tc2241 Жыл бұрын
@@ausreir Frenchmen everywhere cried out in anguish
@acehughj4527
@acehughj4527 Жыл бұрын
@@tc2241 all Europeans man. Hungarians, Italians, Germans, all.
@acehughj4527
@acehughj4527 Жыл бұрын
@@tc2241 hell, even brit*sh people also felt some pain. Greg's bread ain't bad at all.
@ausreir
@ausreir Жыл бұрын
@@tc2241 Northern China also eats considerable amount of "bread", so definitely not the same.
@TemporalDecay
@TemporalDecay Жыл бұрын
Throwing my hat in to support Garnt and Joey starting the Trails series. I always heard of Trails in the Sky and Trails of Cold Steel as cult classic RPGs in the past, but I properly gave the series a shot a few years ago and, and it's a wonderful journey. This is the perfect time to jump in as well with them finally pushing out English localizations of the 4th and 5th games (though Joey has the luxury of going through the games in Japanese, which are way further ahead). It scratches a particular niche for RPG lovers. Definitely not for everybody (Connor definitely won't like them), but the series deserves all the praise it gets.
@Kaebuki
@Kaebuki Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@Leopectus1986
@Leopectus1986 Жыл бұрын
Now we understand how Connor gets food poisoning so often..."Medium rare pork". Perfect.
@mellar5864
@mellar5864 Жыл бұрын
I ate raw pork a couple of times. Always seemed normal to me and never had any issues.
@fancehdonneh1584
@fancehdonneh1584 Жыл бұрын
@@mellar5864 probably a 'you' thing but generally raw pork is poisonous to pretty much almost everyone.
@JustFabi_
@JustFabi_ Жыл бұрын
A german eating his Mettbrötchen
@alexandresobreiramartins9461
@alexandresobreiramartins9461 11 ай бұрын
Pink in the middle, but never rare, for me. I don't think it fits the taste of pork.
@Daniel-jz9td
@Daniel-jz9td 8 ай бұрын
Pork literally has no terms it has to be well done. It's not like beef.
@Sasu556
@Sasu556 Жыл бұрын
As another Trails fan voicing in for the franchize, I absolutely agree that it's an amazing JRPG and that the pay-off is definitely here. Garnt explained the premise quite well and it's definitely true that it has some of, if not, the best world-building I've come to know in any JRPG series ever. Literally almost every NPC has a name, its own story, 2 new dialogue options after every major plot point event, is capable of sorting out their own problems and some even reappear across multiple game arcs. You can still meet old NPCs you were used to seeing in the older games in the newer ones on the same spot too! That being said yeah, as you could probably imagine, the games are very text-heavy, apart from doing fights, some main quests, etc, it consist of a lot of running around cities and actually talking to NPCs (I mean you can skip it and not do it, but I feel like it's such a huge part of the game that if you were to do that, the game is simply not for you). On top of that, with a lot of games to the series and with how the games are designed, I personally find myself having over 100 hours on every single one of these games (some of them even over 200). Now granted I do tend to play my games rather slowly and I'm more of a completionist, it's still definitely a considerable time-investment that you need to account for when you get into it. Pair that up with how the game is and that it has a turn-based combat system (which I absolutely love, but I fully understand its not for everyone), I do get why it may be a hard series to get into. At the end of the day though, I still believe those absolutely epic moments where various characters get mentions from others you have only heard of up until that moment, when they actually meet and unite across different arcs, interact together, and fight together are absolutely amazing and you will grin from ear to ear after experiencing that awesome adventure.
@avion609
@avion609 Жыл бұрын
“This is coming from someone who’s never watched Game of Thrones by the way” Classic Joey
@BattyWanderer
@BattyWanderer Жыл бұрын
yeah lmfao
@jamiekb9v
@jamiekb9v Жыл бұрын
Trails series is amazing but you need to really like story and character development. The amount of dialogue in the game is soo detailed, random side characters on the street will go through full arcs if you talk to them regularly. So good, but obviously not for everyone!
@finnthehuman9033
@finnthehuman9033 Жыл бұрын
Speaking of random side characters, Anton said hi
@kogashinto2123
@kogashinto2123 Жыл бұрын
imagine next week comes and Joey randomly finishes Trails in the Sky FC like he did with 13 Sentinels.
@Prenda_
@Prenda_ Жыл бұрын
My favorite arc is trails azure fishing guild, they went through a hell of struggle. I JUST STARTED COLD STEEL THEY HAD THE AUDACITY TO TELL YOU THAT KENNETH IS LAKELORD FUCKING BRO? This game is full of twist
@jamiekb9v
@jamiekb9v Жыл бұрын
@@Prenda_ azure in general was pretty goated. I liked the fishing too though
@Prenda_
@Prenda_ Жыл бұрын
@@jamiekb9v absolutely, i played this game after finishing yakuza 6 and the feels i had for keA is the same feeling kiryu had for haruka, and it pains me a lot seeing "that twist"
@jotobrosmusic3928
@jotobrosmusic3928 Жыл бұрын
lol, I heard Garnt saying "There's a very very niche JRPG series I've been thinking of getting into" and my mind immediately went to Trails, which I was playing whilst listening... and I was freackin right.
@mrfantastic9466
@mrfantastic9466 Жыл бұрын
Hearing the boys discussion around GoT reminds me of the dumpster fire in the Attack on Titan community when the manga ended. Really excited to hear the discussion here once it ends
@lowelldaveagnir6459
@lowelldaveagnir6459 Жыл бұрын
You're a true trails fan if you're playing 8pm in the final chapter and finishes at 4am in the morning. Man, you know you can't put it down once those climax of chapters hit the fan. That's the hype that I get in trails games that I can't get in other JRPGs.
@martiniquevodka5574
@martiniquevodka5574 Жыл бұрын
Knowing Garnt's tastes in games. I really think he would enjoy the "Trails" series of games. For those who would like to play these games, the structure of games is simpler than what Garnt said. It's really chronological, divided into successives games about (successives) stories arc. For example, the first 3 games are about Liberl arc and the names are trails in the sky 1,2,3. So the only rule to follow is to pick any of the first game of an arc. You could start with Trails in the sky 1 or you could start with trails of cold steel 1 based on Erebonia empire arc. If you pick the latter, you will be spoiled about Sky arc at some point. The earlier you pick, the more you will taste world building and enjoy the story but you really can start with any of the 1st game of a story arc. Its really depend how much time you want to spend (Starting from the first game its hundreds of hours)
@pokeboi5438
@pokeboi5438 Жыл бұрын
It’s not “Trails of” it’s just “Trails”
@DragonEdge10
@DragonEdge10 Жыл бұрын
He'd probably love the fuck out of the Xenoblade games
@martiniquevodka5574
@martiniquevodka5574 Жыл бұрын
@@pokeboi5438 True
@statesminds
@statesminds Жыл бұрын
Trails is one of best series ever but it is HIGHLY recommended to play Sky trilogy then cross bell then cold steel in order
@statesminds
@statesminds Жыл бұрын
@@pokeboi5438 yeah he’s confusing tales of with trails
@quincyarcher1798
@quincyarcher1798 Жыл бұрын
The thing with Game of Thrones is that the showrunners didn't even run out of books, they just ignored the direction that books 4 and 5 were going in and shoved a few plot points into season 5 while ignoring entire other plot threads (The entire Dorne plotline in the books for example was just thrown out the window, and Young Griff straight up doesn't exist in the show).
@yuvalgabay1023
@yuvalgabay1023 Жыл бұрын
Tbh I anderstand some of the trimming down they did in the show(not all but some) in the end it's a tv series they can't put it all in. Cutting some new plot points that might drag down the heavy plot will be unwise move .and tbh that's one of my problem whit gourge. He probably didn't finish WOW because there was so many plots and charcter to tie down whit our making it collapse on its self it's almost impossible and probably stressful af..makes me Wonder what will happen if G didn't felt like adding so many new elements ..(still doesn't forgive what the writers did to our cathulu pirate)
@vinhbui3501
@vinhbui3501 Жыл бұрын
For Trails, play in Japanese release order and you should be fine 👍 Perfect time right now as one of the older arcs--consisting of two games--is finally being localized next spring with the epilogue game for the 3 established arcs from the very first Sky game to now also being localized next summer.
@TrinityEcho
@TrinityEcho Жыл бұрын
I completely randomly got sucked into the Trails series about a month ago. I was just looking to buy a new game on Steam under the JRPG tag, and within hours I had somehow purchased all of Sky and Cold Steel in one go. I am waiting for Azure to drop to see if there will be a good sale on Zero. I say waiting but I have so much on my plate already as is.
@freezedTIM
@freezedTIM Жыл бұрын
Connor saying he couldn't live in a world without cheese is true American Midwest
@wesnohathas1993
@wesnohathas1993 Жыл бұрын
Connor seems to be getting ever so slightly more American with every passing episode.
@sechabatheletsane9784
@sechabatheletsane9784 Жыл бұрын
I couldn't either.
@grimdarhk
@grimdarhk Жыл бұрын
You dorks get it from Europe.
@hiruharii
@hiruharii Жыл бұрын
real and true
@uatom
@uatom 8 ай бұрын
even though the best cheeses are all from Europe.
@Pandillatime3
@Pandillatime3 Жыл бұрын
I never thought the boys would ever discuss the Trails series, I hope one of them gives it a go!
@sofnof
@sofnof Жыл бұрын
Same, whenever they discussed Persona I thought to myself ‘damn they would really like trails’
@finnthehuman9033
@finnthehuman9033 Жыл бұрын
I hope Garnt and Joey can both try it out, don't think it's for Connor
@CarDaMax1770
@CarDaMax1770 Жыл бұрын
THIS! So much this! Joey and Garnt would definetly love the series, but Connor would loathe it. Every single game in the series has about as much text as a Visual Novel, after all.
@VanillaCoke1956
@VanillaCoke1956 Жыл бұрын
Trails in the Sky SC blows every other JRPG that ever existed out of the water.
@GeebusCrust
@GeebusCrust Жыл бұрын
​@@VanillaCoke1956Sophisticated Battle is the best battle theme ever, change my mind
@Kostanovi
@Kostanovi Жыл бұрын
Even worse than the TV series video? IMPOSSIBLE
@22515362
@22515362 Жыл бұрын
there's no ceiling of their trash takes. It just gets higher every episode
@bryanbowler805
@bryanbowler805 Жыл бұрын
@@22515362 Can we get much higher?
@ItsShaz1
@ItsShaz1 Жыл бұрын
The TT ceiling does not exist.
@GarethXL
@GarethXL Жыл бұрын
any of their food takes are just trash
@rainbowmagic3585
@rainbowmagic3585 Жыл бұрын
It wasn't that bad. I took my time to watch "The good place" reccomended by garnt and actually enjoyed it, might check out more shows that they mentioned. Edit. But maybe I just have trash taste xd
@JJG1666
@JJG1666 Жыл бұрын
Really hoping that Garnt does play the Trails series.
@ms.silent5291
@ms.silent5291 Жыл бұрын
Love the Trails series mentioned, I started with Cold Steel saga, and I'm continuing to work backwards to older games with enjoyment. Hope you guys will try the games in the future.
@StripofPaper
@StripofPaper Жыл бұрын
I'm 100% with Garnt here and video game stories: I am not only here for pressing buttons, I need a story investment in a game.
@hanavolta9785
@hanavolta9785 Жыл бұрын
Wack, I'm here to press buttons and get the .PNG that says I press buttons better than 98% of players
@rafacastillo9611
@rafacastillo9611 Жыл бұрын
Same thing I have with porn. Give me depth damn it
@tasgr5559
@tasgr5559 Жыл бұрын
If you haven't already try Hades, it's the absolute perfect mixture of gameplay and story.
@dajokahbaby1506
@dajokahbaby1506 Жыл бұрын
I feel kinda split on this, my favorite games of all time are the Max Payne games, and they have tons of story, and yet I don’t really like the direction that modern games are going for where story is completely prioritized over gameplay
@yunogasai1338
@yunogasai1338 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy story in video games but I also enjoy games that mainly involve the players skill with little to no story like the project diva games.( mainly because it's a fun rhythm game series). I love the story and gameplay for the death end request games. I'm hoping if they get a third game made it'll combine the best parts of both. Utawarerumono is a game series that's a slow burn story interspersed with bits of turn based strategy battles with fun combo gameplay. The emotional payoff of both mask of deception and mask of truth are great! I'm currently playing prelude to the fallen( the actual first game in the series that the U.S. got late') I imagine I'll feel the same even after having fully watched it's super condensed anime counterpart years ago.
@Tan12
@Tan12 Жыл бұрын
Here for the Trails mention. I think it's right up Garnt and Joey's alley, and to anyone interested, Garnt made it sound more complicated than it really is, just start with the first game and follow release order if you want a great turn based JRPG series to try and are an enjoyer of rich story, dialogue, and worldbuilding. (And I suggest talking to lots of npcs and doing plenty of side quests or you miss half the fun)
@MyVanir
@MyVanir Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it isn't Fate, you don't need hours of videos to get into.
@blurb9319
@blurb9319 Жыл бұрын
@@MyVanir I mean, arguably you can do the same thing for Fate and follow the release order.
@MyVanir
@MyVanir Жыл бұрын
@@blurb9319 The thing about following release order is that F/Z being before the UBW and HF adaptations means that a lot of rather important parts of those get spoiled. Like, if you don't want the experience spoiled, you NEED someone to tell you what to avoid, while Trails is literally a linear experience.
@blurb9319
@blurb9319 Жыл бұрын
@@MyVanir If you want to get technical about it, FSN was the first thing in the series that was released, then the FSN Dean adaptation, then the UBW movies, then Zero.
@MyVanir
@MyVanir Жыл бұрын
@@blurb9319 And if you want to get technical about it, you don't need anything besides FSN, FHA and the F/Z novels in that case.
@Japerhood
@Japerhood Жыл бұрын
1:34:44 Let's gooo Greek food. Conor just hasn't eaten in good Greek restaurants. Just come to Greece and try it here :D Also Garnt broke my heart when he said he doesn't like Feta :(
@Katia.t.t
@Katia.t.t Жыл бұрын
I got whiplash when they mentioned Greek food, never heard them speak about anything Greek before and if sounded unreal lmao
@animetherapy2796
@animetherapy2796 Жыл бұрын
@@Katia.t.t Same lol
@zetashadowdragon
@zetashadowdragon Жыл бұрын
This year, I just started trying to get through the Legend of Heroes games. I played the first two Cold Steel games, then realized I may need to go back to the Crossbell games (and listen to the Drama CDs via youtube). I am glad they are porting the Crossbell games to modern consoles, but I also want them to localize the high-definition port of the Sky trilogy and port them to modern consoles.
@Chumbv
@Chumbv Жыл бұрын
I doubt he will read the comments, but Garnt should really give the Trails series a try. It's one of the most rewarding stories in all of gaming.
@catxsoho
@catxsoho Жыл бұрын
"A world without cheese is one I don't wanna be in" Yes Connor
@longlosttricorn
@longlosttricorn Жыл бұрын
*cries in lactose intolerant cheese lover*
@itssteph263
@itssteph263 Жыл бұрын
@@longlosttricorn I'm lucky enough that my lactose intolerance is mild enough that lactaid or similar work for me
@chrisf7345
@chrisf7345 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t know Connor was friends with so many game journalist. That’s what I can assume since he said he keeps hearing people tell him how complicated Ragnarok’s storyline is. Prayers to them eventually finishing the game.
@hisekekukachi
@hisekekukachi Жыл бұрын
Super hyped to see a mentioning of the Trails series! Love the game with all my heart!
@tmk5567
@tmk5567 Жыл бұрын
I was fist pumping so hard from Garnt just mentioning Trails. To the maybe 2 or 3 people that read this, don't let the mention of the 20 minute video intimidate you (there was a bit of trouble in the past where 2 earlier games didn't have English localization, BUT this problem has been fixed.). The series is long, but it tells a linear story across all its games (Japanese release order matches the order of events. It's not hard to follow). For those who don't want to Google anything, the order is Sky games, Crossbell (Zero/Azure), and Cold Steel (and most of them have the decency to be subtitled 1, 2, 3). Every single one of the games are on Steam (and a majority are on nearly every console). You can play the first game Trails in the Sky FC on a 20 year old laptop. Also, it's dirt cheap. It goes on sale all the time for as little as 10 bucks. Yes, there's an intended (and ideal) order to the games, but it's really not that complicated. Also, if you're not into JRPGs PLEASE at least listen to the soundtrack. It is one of the best soundtracks out there. Every game in the series has dozens of absolute bangers.
@yunogasai1338
@yunogasai1338 Жыл бұрын
I haven't even played the trails games yet but I love the theme from the first dungeon in trails of cold steel 1. So pretty. I'm thinking of starting with trails from azure since it's on switch. I'm still annoyed cold steel's first few games aren't on switch in the U.S yet. I'll probably play my fiance's copies on the ps4 then.
@tmk5567
@tmk5567 Жыл бұрын
@@yunogasai1338 Did you mean Zero? Azure isn't out until March and it's a direct sequel to Zero. If you do play it I hope you enjoy it. Crossbell has got some awesome tunes. And yeah... it's a shame too. I really hope all the games get ported to switch but it's unlikely. The Sky games and the first 2 Cold Steel games were under different localizers. They did a SPECTACULAR job, but the games didn't really catch on until latter half of Cold Steel, so it changed hands. Xseed did awesome work, but they were way too small a team to keep translating a game as text heavy as trails.
@yunogasai1338
@yunogasai1338 Жыл бұрын
@@tmk5567 oops, my bad I meant zero.
@bobthebuilder3609
@bobthebuilder3609 Жыл бұрын
Jrpg bad
@Prenda_
@Prenda_ Жыл бұрын
I just played fc, sc, 3rd(and stopped bcs it's just rescuing, shame because i love kevin very much), zero, azure(psp translation, i'll buy the pc one if it's out), and now in the middle of cold steel. And i got 5 more games i have yet to play oh boy
@johnnypixel3929
@johnnypixel3929 Жыл бұрын
Garnt should totally get into Trails! It's a fantastic game series! Just start from the first one and you're set!
@kiroo886
@kiroo886 Жыл бұрын
im curious, is it really needed to start from the start?? So far only finished trail in the sky FC and SC
@finnthehuman9033
@finnthehuman9033 Жыл бұрын
@@kiroo886 Sky FC is the start
@kiroo886
@kiroo886 Жыл бұрын
@@finnthehuman9033 sh*t im dumb, i thought they meant the start of legend of heroes series
@finnthehuman9033
@finnthehuman9033 Жыл бұрын
@@kiroo886 Oh lol, don't know if they even know it's part of the legend of heroes series
@iqbalkurniawan5626
@iqbalkurniawan5626 Жыл бұрын
Cmon let's get garnt into it
@cheyenneturner5455
@cheyenneturner5455 Жыл бұрын
I wish Aki had featured in this. I could totally see her arguing for HOURS on the Kingdom Hearts games and storyline hahaha.
@oek5515
@oek5515 Жыл бұрын
I just want a double guest episode with Emily and daidus, let the hot takes unfold x2 .
@Xeziz
@Xeziz Жыл бұрын
as a certified greek i can say that a lot of greek restaurants in australia are really good because most of them are run by greek people and greek hospitality is something we are very proud of and also on the other hand alot of greeks can be mean or dismissive towards people and that could be the reason joey and connor have had such diffrent experiences,still tho im happy to see greece talked about on this podcast
@GoldenPincers
@GoldenPincers Жыл бұрын
Greek watchers rise up
@Panos_of_Rivia
@Panos_of_Rivia Жыл бұрын
Both Joey and Connor are correct, Greek food abroad is hit or miss. Aussie Greeks seems to know their shit though. Good takes by both gents here.
@watermint2887
@watermint2887 Жыл бұрын
Also it would be nice when people realise that Greek food is not just lamb, feta cheese and tzatziki. We don’t even eat lamb that often. I’m not sure what those international Greek restaurants are doing.
@nonionbeezness
@nonionbeezness Жыл бұрын
Same with Greek restaurants in Germany , mostly run by Greeks , just like the Italian restaurants are run by Italians. If the person grew up with and loves the cuisine , they can be a good restauranteur for that cuisine.
@kaladinstormblessed6232
@kaladinstormblessed6232 Жыл бұрын
I could only imagine Garnt's reaction if Malazan gets a good series adaptation. Convergence in every book.
@joelandrews1
@joelandrews1 Жыл бұрын
A Malazan anime would be fucking incredible
@loczek1965
@loczek1965 Жыл бұрын
@@joelandrews1 Rake-kun. Felisin-chan.
@joelandrews1
@joelandrews1 Жыл бұрын
@@loczek1965 ooooh Dujek-sama
@berserker8884
@berserker8884 Жыл бұрын
Fucking YESSS. He will probably never read the books, but I would LOVE a review by Garnt.
@loczek1965
@loczek1965 Жыл бұрын
@@berserker8884 the world is not ready for good adaptation of western fantasy. That's why the brave heros from Hollywood keep fucking them up so hard.
@Mark_dj86
@Mark_dj86 Жыл бұрын
Can confirm the cat allergy thing is true. Me and my mom are both allergic to cats, but we've had cats our entire lives. I only really get an allergic reaction now when my cat starts shedding a lot (transition to winter / summer) but other than that we can both live with cats just fine. As soon as I go to a friend / family member who owns a cat however, my allergic reactions start again.
@bemlima
@bemlima Жыл бұрын
Trails is very much worth getting into, it’s awesome
@jasmine_candle
@jasmine_candle Жыл бұрын
I would be so down to watch Garnt and Joey stream the Trails series for months straight. That sounds awesome
@loooolloool
@loooolloool Жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for SO long for you guys to talk about Trails.. Its my favorite video game series of all time, and I really hope Garnt gets into it!
@knightmare916
@knightmare916 Жыл бұрын
The Iseaki analogy was such a good comp for the Pokemon games. But Joey couldn't accept that, he recognized that this was a bad take episode so he had to start running interference immediately.
@ganymedehedgehog371
@ganymedehedgehog371 Жыл бұрын
I’m impressed to see the fanboy copium defense of scarlet and violet. The story was mid at best, visuals/performance unforgivable, and the world was atrocious. It made me realize that arceus was pretty decent for a Pokémon switch game
@NKNSedgod
@NKNSedgod Жыл бұрын
Yessss!! I hope you enjoy playing kiseki series, but its turn based battle so i hope garnt can keep up with that
@AruminDes
@AruminDes Жыл бұрын
1:13:16 I'm obsessed with Garnt's little "Ye" and his smile afterwards
@duynguyenphananh4494
@duynguyenphananh4494 Жыл бұрын
As a Trails fan, I am happy that Garnt and Joey talk about Trails series.
@kogashinto2123
@kogashinto2123 Жыл бұрын
only for us Trails fans. sounds like a nightmare for everyone else.
@snailthelostcow63
@snailthelostcow63 Жыл бұрын
The thing that made me love Trails series first time playing it is how the NPCs are alive. Like damn, half of the fun of the game is actually interacting with them every time you got the chance to do so. Don't be surprised if you actually recognized and remembered those faceless NPCs by the end game lol
@rintaichou
@rintaichou Жыл бұрын
I recently started HRT about 2 months ago and during it I developed a sesame allergy. Hives just start appearing all over my arms which for me was the first time I've ever experienced an allergic reaction. HUGE L because my family is Laotian so I have to tell my parents I can't eat most homecooking like I used to. 💀
@acerpalmatum
@acerpalmatum Жыл бұрын
Are you on estrogen? I recently learned that women are more likely to have autoimmune diseases and an increase in estrogen either through puberty or HRT can manifest latent genetic autoimmune issues. Apparently scientists don't really know why yet. Sorry that's happening for you!!
@rintaichou
@rintaichou Жыл бұрын
@@acerpalmatum Yes! Spironolactone and Estradiol!
@CereZ04
@CereZ04 Жыл бұрын
the trails series doesn’t have a complicated order to get into. You start chronologically but the first game is from 2004 and that’s how the high barrier of entry comes from. There are 12 games, but the problem plaguing the series for western players is the localisation taking ages. As of right now all Games 5, 11 and 12 aren’t available in an official english translation. Although Game 5 does get one early next year… anyways it’s worth getting into, imo the best story and most memorable characters i’ve experienced in any jrpg.
@naisu01
@naisu01 Жыл бұрын
Took me 3 tries to get into trails, I find the first game pretty slow at start but after I was able to finish it and Immediately go play the sequel I know I am addicted with the game and the world. Around zero no kiseki(Crossbell arc), I noticed I am actually talking to every npc everytime they have new dialogues. Yes including the chests
@DonChalant
@DonChalant Жыл бұрын
Same thing happened to me. I've timed it between me and a bunch of other friends who have played it, it takes you 1 hour to get into the first battle. I fell off hard twice before even reaching that first battle, which is a shame because on my third attempt I got hooked the second I got into battle and heard that smooth ass battle theme.
@skelephant
@skelephant Жыл бұрын
The chest dialogue is one of my favorite things in the Sky and Crossbell games! Half the time I'm more excited for the chest's dialogue than its item. I'm really going to miss it when I get to the Cold Steel arc.
@AngelRecon77
@AngelRecon77 Жыл бұрын
The boys talking about Trails has made me so unreasonably happy. I really hope they go through it and be able to experience the emotions that hit me when I played that behemoth of a series.
@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs
@TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs Жыл бұрын
01:04:20 I get this, I like booting up Overwatch 2 just for a couple of rounds of casual quick play. It's nice to be to just plug in and out of a game quickly and play unlike something like Kingdom Come Deliverance where you want a good 1-2 hours to play.
@thesmartdude12
@thesmartdude12 Жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness, when Garnt was saying he was considering a new game series, I was just saying Trails over and over in my mind and when he said Trails, I was so happy
@MHMatt
@MHMatt Жыл бұрын
As a trails addict *Cough* FAN, Garnt mentioning "trails" makes me want to replay the entire series just so I can judge if Garnt and Joeys takes are shit or not. (assuming they actually take the plunge and start).
@Weebfox
@Weebfox Жыл бұрын
"I cant explain why I like it, I know it sucks but I still love it" is my taste with shows summed up perfectly, thanks Joey
@alank6692
@alank6692 Жыл бұрын
Garnt mentions Trails: Trails Fans: Allow us to introduce ourselves
@henry00020
@henry00020 Жыл бұрын
I can't wait to see the hilarious responses to Joey when he tweeted his reaction about changing the pokemon anime MC
@ashlamovich6395
@ashlamovich6395 Жыл бұрын
Yes! I mentioned Trails during one of Garnt’s streams a couple of months ago. So glad that he’s starting to look into it! Starting with FC is the way to go. Western releases are still catching up so feel free to take your time. Each game is easily more than 60 hours.
@ashlamovich6395
@ashlamovich6395 Жыл бұрын
It’s not too hard to start, considering Garnt don’t really care about the graphics. So yeah starting right now with Sky FC and play casually sounds just right to me. If you’re going with 1 game per month(Sky fc, Sky sc, Sky 3rd, zero) and you get to March, which is when the next game comes out.
@Ingrid-nv2ui
@Ingrid-nv2ui Жыл бұрын
1:36:52 i love tzatziki bro! And I’m not even Greek. But in any other place than Greece, tzatziki is hit or miss, imo. Greek food is also taste so nostalgic to me, since my family used to go on holiday to Greece when I was younger.
@Eksevis
@Eksevis Жыл бұрын
Normally I don't want episodes to end, but I genuinely, whole heartedly did not want this one to end.
@alexanderpeterson289
@alexanderpeterson289 Жыл бұрын
It's about time the Kiseki series is mentions on TT. Absolutely phenomenal series
@coolzombieslayer
@coolzombieslayer Жыл бұрын
Speaking of being allergic to chicken, my grandmother took allergy tests like 3 years ago and found out she was allergic to chicken, freaking LETTUCE and TOMatos and White rice. What we found funny is that that's basically what puertoricans live off off😂😂😭
@PlatanOsO
@PlatanOsO Жыл бұрын
damn... nothing can make me stop eating arros con pollo....idc if i die
@sandenson
@sandenson Жыл бұрын
As a Brazilian, that's rough as fuck. That's also basically half of our diet.
@khfreak5531
@khfreak5531 Жыл бұрын
The directors of “Game of Thrones” were rushing for a Star Wars series with Disney. That’s why they rushed GOT and finished it 2 seasons early. The problem was that they botched it so badly that Disney didn’t want them make a Star Wars show for them anymore. The directors of the show claimed that they left Disney on their own terms. Insisting that they weren’t kicked out. However Disney very much did drop them.
@Yuxa
@Yuxa Жыл бұрын
The Trails series is my favorite JRPG series and it deserves more love then it gets. its a complete blast and I love all the characters and especially the world, I Highly recommend it to anyone who likes JRPGS
@finnthehuman9033
@finnthehuman9033 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see Garnt/Joey get into the Trails series
@Smash78
@Smash78 Жыл бұрын
If you do play trails, start with trails in the sky, the story sort of compounds each game and it's honestly super fun, I highly recommend, just play it on release order (Japanese not western) and it'll be a good time
@finnthehuman9033
@finnthehuman9033 Жыл бұрын
Agreed, Sky FC's ending is probably one of the best in the series (best ending song imo)
@mertzero99
@mertzero99 Жыл бұрын
I was not expecting you guys to talk about the trails series lol. I LOVE it. Your literally playing an anime with characters that matter. A lot of dialogue tho Connor will probably hate it lol
@JonRakos
@JonRakos Жыл бұрын
Emirichu catching strays for not liking lamb and preferring beef from an ORANGE HATING HEATHEN is peak buffoonery. And I'm here for it.
@antzerobooks
@antzerobooks Жыл бұрын
trails series is worth it, seriously, there's a lot of detail in the writing even after it goes as far as the cold steel arc. the romance aspect of the cold steel goes a bit too far that it becomes a parody but it's still really good
@paullmall96
@paullmall96 Жыл бұрын
Garnt you should definitely get into the trails series, start with sky first chapter or cold steel 1. Both are great starting points!
@DonChalant
@DonChalant Жыл бұрын
I can never agree with starting Trails are CS because the biggest twist from the end of the first game is just brought up casually in conversation in CS1 and there is just no gravity to it if you don't know what they're talking about. And then there is how closely the end of CS1 ties into the end of Ao/Azure. But more importantly then any of that so many people are in such a rush to get to Cold Steel 1 when I just don't think its worth it as a game, they introduce so many new characters at once they aren't able to spend enough time fleshing each one out, and then there is how repetitive and formulaic it is too that I can easily see people get turned off by it. I had a friend that started at CS1 and fell off because of how formulaic it was, and said friend had no problem getting into Sky FC.
@makii4772
@makii4772 Жыл бұрын
Yall making me want to try trails damn okay ill def try it out when i got the time
@DonChalant
@DonChalant Жыл бұрын
@@makii4772 The first game its a very slow burn and is a ton of set up until what feels like 60-70% in, that's something you gotta be ready to put up with. It's still fun the whole way through but its but its more slow paced and relaxed with no major stake until later. With all the set up being all payoff in the next game. There are also fan patches that add voice acting from the vita version if you want those.
@Prenda_
@Prenda_ Жыл бұрын
@@makii4772 i mean this is the game where every npc in crosbell (the main city of 4th game) has their own stories that they will tell you every chapter. Seriously awesome
@maxh7085
@maxh7085 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, allergy is a condition that only really exists in developed countries where it was a lot less common before 1900. A theory as to why people develop allergies is called the hygiene hypothesis. Where it proposes humans today are too clean and our immune system has nothing to do. Child in big families are less likely to be allergic since they are often exposed to germs and infections, which helps the immune system develops. Another interesting case is how West Berlin had better healthcare and less pollution than East Berlin, but more people have allergies.
@LassMineko
@LassMineko Жыл бұрын
I have never heard of Trails series but now I'm interested.
@Superlanboy182
@Superlanboy182 Жыл бұрын
If Joey or Garnt stream the Trails series, I would watch EVERY episode...
@PsychoPenguin1919
@PsychoPenguin1919 Жыл бұрын
I flipped the fuck out when Garnt casually brought up the Trails series. I feel like it's still so niche in the west I hardly ever hear people talk about it randomly. It's also really not that hard to get into in 2022/2023 as long as you have a PC/Laptop. Start with the Trails in the Sky games and just follow the chronological order from there (Sky, Zero/Azure games, then the four Cold Steel games). They're fairly long JRPGs sure, but there's no need to rush through. Play at your own pace and you'll eventually just catch up to the newest release. Especially since they take so long to localize. Also yes, they are as good as people say. The fanbase is so hardcore for a reason lol Edit: Just a bit of context, I started with Cold Steel 1+2 and went back to the Sky games from there, which was honestly fine as well. I just wouldn't start in the middle of an arc or with the latest release. You'll definitely miss out on a lot if you do.
@EVERYWHERE_MAN
@EVERYWHERE_MAN Жыл бұрын
Man I love that’s they talk about Trails game
@dragoon4530
@dragoon4530 Жыл бұрын
If you want to get into the Trails series, Trails in the sky i'm pretty sure is the starting point but they're VERY slow games. They take a while to get started. I skipped ahead abit to cold steel and that was the first one that I connected with. The writing in either game is still REALLY good though.
@twistylizard5346
@twistylizard5346 Жыл бұрын
Jumped ahead to the Trails series section Yes, yes Garnt and Joey, join the dark side
@Olizandri
@Olizandri Жыл бұрын
Completionist for Trails in the Sky FC at 65 hours, the set the scene game, then watch those completion times go skyward from then onwards. Thats a project I have personally undertaken and if you guys were to put more mainstream focus on the series, that would be great for it, give it a go, you get a lot out of it and would fill a stream for a very VERY long time, the only gaming story anywhere like it is FFXIV so it deserves some more sun to shine on it. Might need some breaks to pace yourself though, especially if going for near 100% playthroughs :P
@PaulGirdlestone
@PaulGirdlestone Жыл бұрын
I get a MASSIVE debuff whenever I go to the UK. I get a made hayfever spell cast on me. Cut grass just makes me blind. This also never happened in all my years growing up there. Only after I moved to Hong Kong and then started visiting my parents annually.
@yerocyt
@yerocyt Жыл бұрын
Definitely give the trails series a go! Even if you just play the Sky series it's worth it for sure! Playing the crossbell arc I was riveted and excited by a political conference 😅
@rezanhiraga5191
@rezanhiraga5191 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for Garnt's (and Joey's) "Trails of" arc
@XogoWasTaken
@XogoWasTaken Жыл бұрын
Garnt's explanation of what he liked about the later seasons of Game of Thrones and why he's interested in Trails tells me he would be absolutely obsessed with Brandon Sanderson's Cosmere novels if he read them. Get this man on some Mistborn and Stormlight Archive, Sanderlanches would drive him insane.
@Avenger6262
@Avenger6262 Жыл бұрын
I had to hop into the comments as soon as I heard Garnt talking about Trails as I was listening to the episode over Spotify. It is a very story and text game series but all the arcs are connected. I did watch a vids that took hours cause it explained everything from the first two series of games as I had started Cold Steel and as I finished Cold Steel 2 and got a glimpse of how this game world is connected, I had to learn for myself.
@boredlazymax
@boredlazymax Жыл бұрын
43:12 It's so funny how Joey says sorry when Garnt talks about he watches Isekai, it's like Garnt did something so wrong in his life. (kinda true lol)
@YataCallie4411
@YataCallie4411 Жыл бұрын
Ive only ever played the Trails of Cold Steel arc and it was amazing! the character development with them is so cool!
@Bailey_West
@Bailey_West Жыл бұрын
Trails series is excellent. I highly recommend anyone who’s interest was peaked check out Luxin’s 1 hour and 30 minute video on how to get into the series (start from trails in the sky)
@Lizod
@Lizod Жыл бұрын
For the trails series if you want the whole experience, start from trails in the sky. You can however start from the start of any country's arc though. I started with Trails of Cold Steel and just recently started Trails in the Sky trilogy, with plans for Trails to Zero afterwards.
@JoshuaHenelyThornhill
@JoshuaHenelyThornhill Жыл бұрын
It’s so rare for the boys to not jump at each other’s throats wen it comes to food hahaha Loved it !
@lucyle1795
@lucyle1795 Жыл бұрын
What a beautiful and elegant food convo without shouting
@HughvanZyl
@HughvanZyl Жыл бұрын
48:01 I love how Garnt is struggling to figure out whether he should respond to what joey just said
@EM-yo3yq
@EM-yo3yq Жыл бұрын
My mom got a gluten allergy at 23 and then I got mine on and off from 13-14 where it then became a full time thing. It sucks.i miss so much stuff.
@xxjohn-wackxx8606
@xxjohn-wackxx8606 Жыл бұрын
Rewatching this episode before my IETLS speaking test, Thank you boys
@moggreg
@moggreg Жыл бұрын
Garnt: Story is really important Also Garnt: The latter seasons of Game of Thrones were really good
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