VR made driving sims enjoyable for me and saved me giving up this hobby. Maybe it’s because I’m middle aged and been driving for so long, but driving on flat screens my brain can’t process what’s going on. I’m quicker and more consistent in VR and I learn tracks a lot quicker in VR too. VR feels like I’m driving and you get a sense of speed, flat screens I never felt immersed or comfortable and get no sense of speed or presence. It’s great that technology gives us so many choices to find personal comfort.
@TraxionGG3 жыл бұрын
It's definitely a different experience for each individual, great to hear VR has made such a difference for you! Hopefully they continue to develop the technology so that more people can enjoy it without feeling ill. - John
@9BLOK2 жыл бұрын
I ride only in VR, it's realy cool
@Woopass902 жыл бұрын
I concur. I love the feeling of being inside a racecar rather that just looking at a pancake version of the dash.
@EdBert2 жыл бұрын
I just turned 57 and bought stronger "readers" to see my monitors. Never give up, never "grow up", play keeps the mind young and the body alive, but you do need to go outside and get some exercise. That said, I'm still holding off on the VR plunge. I'm ready to try, but all the advice I get now is...wait a month, big announcements coming soon.
@jamesleegte2 жыл бұрын
@@EdBert Facebook connect / Oculus connect is next week and we are all waiting to hear if there will be new products from them. Valve are very cheeky and people are expecting them to make an unplanned announcement just before Facebook connect to steal some of the headlines, which is what they did last year haha bless them. I would wait until the start of November before pressing a buy now button on a VR headset.
@jonathankvex2 жыл бұрын
Sim racing in VR is one of the wildest experiences we have access to. I never really played video games before VR, but once I tried sim racing in VR, it blew my mind. Specifically Dirt Rally 2. If you can work past the motion sickness, it’s incredible.
@teabaggins35172 жыл бұрын
As long as you have smooth frames of 80fps+ you won't get motion sickness. At least most people won't, but getting that in Dirt Rally you need a high end system.
@jonathankvex2 жыл бұрын
@@teabaggins3517 I’m fortunate to have a great computer to run it.
@fitnesschefen2 жыл бұрын
Im still fighting with motion sickness, i have the quest 2 and do iracing, so i try to have short sessions and a fan on. Maybe it will go away some time
@KingDian912 жыл бұрын
@@fitnesschefen i think tea baggins is on to something. I had a rough time adapting until I optimized it and learned to turn off Asynchronous Spacewarp every time. Haven't felt ill at all since.
@eduardofreitas83362 жыл бұрын
@@fitnesschefen take it slow, never drive to the limit of your discomfort. I find its easier to get into if you do not force yourself too much and give your mind time to adapt.
@MiMicheIIe2 жыл бұрын
VR is just so incredibly immersive, and it'll only get better as the headsets progress. It's awesome just how real it feels.
@raninrai28492 жыл бұрын
For me it is VR. i almost sell my rig, but decided to try VR in the last minute. It is so immersive, VR has save me from giving up this hobby.
@DesroQc2 жыл бұрын
Combining VR with Sim Racing turned a hobby into a passion. And I'm definitely quicker with the VR headset on, I can feel the car so much better, I can't see myself playing without it except when I have no choice (I'm looking at you, F1 2021!), it makes the whole experience so real !
@hidde8232 Жыл бұрын
Did you get f1 22 and how is it?
@FreakOfMeds Жыл бұрын
The seated VR experience has been a dream come true. It finally became complete with my recent RTX 4090 purchase. Sims are so freaking smooth they are maxing out my Reverb G2. Whether it is MS FS 2020, Project Cars 2, or Elite Dangerous, they have never run more perfectly than now. I am blown away.
@didioliverf1 Жыл бұрын
Hey mate I am using Quest2 in iRacing and its very fun. Do you think the reverb G2 will be better for the experience?
@QuantumS1ngularity2 жыл бұрын
As everyone i started on a single panel. After a while got a good speed and was lapping consistently with times in the top 25 on every game and car i tried. Then switched to triple screen and after a brief adjustment period and motion sickness (yes you can get that one with triple screens as well as VR) i'm now permanently in top 10 and in some games, cars and tracks top 3. Was feeling pleased until about 2 weeks ago i tried Oculus Quest 2 on a friend's rig. I was shocked. On a rig that was completely alien to me, w/o my settings and with new viewing experience just 3 laps in i was already matching some of my best EVER times, especially at the fast tracks like Monza and Le Mans with big straights and hard braking points at the end of them. I could nail my braking spot on the start-finish straight of Monza EVERY.SINGLE.LAP. Time after time the difference was probably less than 10cm where even on triple screens i usually do it probably 2 out of every 10 laps. The depth perception is just on a whole another level and easily trumps the more narrow FoV. So is the ability to check your opponents and even peek over your virtual steering wheel when it gets in the way like in the 2014 LMP1 Audi R18. So after that i was amazed and a bit bumped out. The Quest 2 is $299 in the states but here it starts from $600 promo price for the 128GB. So now i'm divided between new GPU and VR headset, both of witch will set me back more than $700. Another important point for the triple screens - even with 1080p panels, you still need above average PC since the amount of pixels you have to render is almost twice the amount of 1440p and slightly below 4k.
@dtek4972 жыл бұрын
I mainly just play VR because of the fun factor and it's why I don't think I'll use screens for iRacing. I fondly remember first doing the MX5 practice sessions being amazed at the depth perception and the ability to look around. But that first multiplayer race is what has kept me in the VR camp, seeing other drivers around me and being able to see them in my mirrors made it feel soo immersive and I still feel on edge when going side by side through a corner whether I'm defending or attacking it's like you can sense the car next to you
@Jail-Left-Wing-Traitors Жыл бұрын
Yes..Back when their MX5 was manual..its garbage now its all flappy paddle crap.ruined iracing for me..that and the silly price
@Hendrycks2 жыл бұрын
I have triples and swapped to VR and I'm not going back. Having a fan on you pretty well makes me comfortable to race for hours, I can feel the depth perception which makes me more consistent and faster overall. I also enjoy it more from the immersion, I'm not just sitting in my room racing, I'm at the track with ppl, we chat and go racing. I take it more seriously and it's just more enjoyable overall.
@jcaashby310 ай бұрын
Does using the fan cool you or helps trick your brain and gives you less motion sickness?
@PandorusFightStick3 жыл бұрын
i can only sim race in vr. add some bass shakers and setup correctly , and you have an immersive experience
@EdBert2 жыл бұрын
How long are your sessions? I hear some people say they can only race for 20 minutes, many say more like 60 minutes. Are you able to use a VR headset indefinitely? I'm not good enough to do races over an hour, my attention span maybe, probably just lack of skill, but I get sloppy and either slow down or actually spin if I race too long and that is with a monitor!
@benjaminzarkhin1293 Жыл бұрын
At first I struggled on DiRT Rally 2.0 on a flat screen, mostly also because that and an occasional Assetto session were my only wheel driving games. Once I tried using my Quest 2 headset in DR 2.0, it changed everything- ominous crests became predictable hill climbs and finding the optimal apex points became stupidly easy. I then swapped back to playing on my monitor, and I was surprisingly proficient in it, maybe even on par with VR. For me the take away is that VR racing is fun and can ease first timers into flat screen racing by visualizing the courses and even interiors of the car, giving you a sense of scale of the car so that you don't get snagged on a curb or a rock.
@antmax3 жыл бұрын
I use head tracking with a single display and that works quite well. You can set spline curves for rotation so you might have 15 degrees or real head movement is 60 in the game, that way you can look around in the game without losing sight of the screen. It's a really good compromise.
@TraxionGG3 жыл бұрын
Something I’ve never tried, but sounds interesting!
@projectilequestion2 жыл бұрын
How do you get this going?
@turboeddy2 жыл бұрын
@Ez Pz Head trackers (settings)are fully customizable so you can overcome this problem
@klintonkacatin Жыл бұрын
I tried calibrating it but I just got headaches.
@SimPitTech Жыл бұрын
head-tracking is the key + having fov set to match 1:1.
@RevRideReason3 жыл бұрын
I went from single to VR to single to VR and finally Triples... 👍 For me nothing beats VR immersion however I find Triples to be the perfect balance between single (extreme comfort) and VR (extreme immersion) ... "COMFORTABILITY" especially in long races was primal for me when making my final decision and oh did I mention I get motion sickness after 20mins of VR 🤦♂️... sucks. Seems I can play every now and again with the virtual world but not live in it... 😂 Thanks for the video too, overall I enjoy them all in their own way👍
@De-M-oN2 жыл бұрын
@DOGS LOL Pimax has 8k Headset and big fov already. HP Reverb G2 is also 4k per eye, but standard fov on them.
@jimj26832 жыл бұрын
I think you can get rid of the motion sickness with a motion simulator like yaw vr 2 with motion compensation software.
@RevRideReason2 жыл бұрын
@@jimj2683 interesting... I need to look this up. Thank you. Did you have motion sickness as well and did this method help ?
@jimj26832 жыл бұрын
@@RevRideReason I had a lot of motion sickness before and a motion simulator with motion compensation software eliminated all the sickness. More people need to try it. But it is essential that the setup is correct or it could make the sickness even worse.
@RevRideReason2 жыл бұрын
@@jimj2683 Well the logic of it makes sense that it should help. Thanks so much for your help. May I ask what brand you had xp with ? I may just give this a go. Thank you
@bmx75962 жыл бұрын
I went from not liking sims anymore to loving them with the addition of VR. It just adds that extra of layer of presence I needed to make it feel like a real simulator. On a monitor, sims just feel like the same thing I've been doing for 20 years.
@paulkelleway80323 жыл бұрын
Ive only used the Rift S, I also have triples, I would say that if you want to be totally immersed in the car, then screens just cannot give you what VR does, they are just not in the same ball park for scale, depth and dimensionality, you can get lost in VR in a way that you just cannot with screens. However the Rift S is still not good enough in terms of visual quality, I have not tried a reverb 2. I can understand that if you have pets, young children or you are streamer, VR is not ideal in the sense that you cannot keep on eye on your surroundings. But for me, sitting in a single seater in VR, in full 3D with the correct sense of scale is way more immersive than monitors.
@allblack29772 жыл бұрын
I started sim racing on a rift s and then upgraded to the reverb. All I can say is. wow 👌 👏 😍
@mrlolkiller142 жыл бұрын
@@allblack2977 Reverb is hands down the best headset for sim racing
@DrProfSlugger2 жыл бұрын
Lap times shouldn't be why you choose either one of these. I will always race in VR because it's easier to set up than triples and I have no desire to dedicate my PC setup to a simrig. With VR, I can leave my rig to the side of my desk and hop into it when I want to race. Honestly, the more you race in VR, the more comfortable it gets. During a race, I don't even realize the headset is on. It's really only at the beginning and end of a race that I notice it.
@JoeBlowUK2 жыл бұрын
Having both VR and triple screens, I find switching between the two far easier than from a single screen and VR. This is probably because I have pretty much identical FOV set in both.
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
That makes a lot of sense, I think a big part of it is the FOV like I was saying in the video. Take some time to get it set up correctly (or how you like it) and it will become more straight forward 🙂
@giraph55992 жыл бұрын
That video is one of the best in terms of quality of profuction and testing thank you so much!
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome, appreciate the comment! ♥
@darkmatter6714 Жыл бұрын
I won 3x UK&I Skip Barber championships in iRacing using VR. The clinchers for me in favour VR were: 1) Perfect FOV in any car. 2) Being able to look left and right to check my blind spots meant I could be more confident in placing my car - and that makes a big difference with being able to hold your line in side-by-side racing or overtakes. 3) You get stereoscopic vision, which means everything is in 3D, which allows for judging distances far better than with flat 2D screens - giving greater fidelity for modulation under breaking. If you’re struggling with overheating, put a fan in front of your face.
@Okatogurui2 жыл бұрын
I think the common misconception that people have is the more sensory input you have in sim racing, the faster you'll get. I played sim racing for a couple years on a single monitor, and when trying VR I just found the limited vision and immersion distracting, and drove a lot worse. I already had buttons on the wheel programmed to look left/right to see cars next to me. Even things like force feedback don't necessarily make you a quicker driver. The FF on my wheel eventually broke (a logitech DFGT) so I was forced to play with it off. Contrary to what I expected, after a bit of practise I found myself beating my previous lap records and driving just as consistently (in rFactor) with no force feedback. Also, one of the better drivers I raced against online was actually a controller player. To be fair he did use light assistance (ABS/TC), but I found it unbelievable that someone on a xbox controller could race faster on a sim game than most people with high end gear. At the end of the day, the main sensory input you actually need to control the car is a lag-free display, high FPS and sound to hear the tyre squeel / bumps. Everything else is just for increased immersion IMO and can be compensated for with experience.
@vbkngx2 жыл бұрын
I think this holds more true if you're not used to driving cars fast in real life. For a lot of enthusiasts who are experienced in that respect, especially those who go racing or to track days IRL, the lack of sensory input when simming is the single most disorienting factor that can really hit them in the lap time/consistency area. Having incremental sensory improvements brings the experience slightly closer to the real deal with which they're familiar. It's like bridging two skillsets rather than simply keeping them wholly separate. With these sensory input improvements I find myself much more able to leverage my RL racing skills than without.
@eduardofreitas83362 жыл бұрын
You are right, if its about being competitive, nobody should feel the need for any gear, git good, practice, and you are able to go as fast as anyone else :D. The question on this video is relevant, of course, but people should choose one over the other based on the fun they are having. VR is pretty random some people become one with it and others dont find it pleasant.
@AlexVangeenRacing2 жыл бұрын
Really great video, and as a die hard VR fan i found this balanced and fair. As for the comfort it does take time to get comfortable. But once i got comfortable i can be in VR for hours. And I struggled with motion sickness at the start, but thanks to taking it slow, a good fan, regular breaks and ginger beer (its what sailors use for motion sickness) i got over it pretty quickly and now never feel it. Not seen your stuff before but i liked it and you get a new sub too
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Alex, appreciate the comment! I was actually on the Missed Apex Podcast a few times a couple of years back😄 Hope you are well!
@marco11152 жыл бұрын
Which headset do you have? Im Looking for something comfortable for long time using
@AlexVangeenRacing2 жыл бұрын
@@marco1115 I have the HP Reverb G2 but I have had the Rift S also. Both are comfortable. Both have their pros and cons
@LowBlow Жыл бұрын
Running a 4090 with a G2 here. With my old 2080ti VR sim racing was full of compromises and a generally frustrating experience with sub-optimal FPS even at 50% resolution. The 4090 has been a complete revelation. Now running AMS 2 and RF2 at 115% SS with MSAA on high and I'm pegged at 90fps with a full grid. We have finally reached a point where VR is immensely enjoyable and no longer a compromised experience.
@iraklimgeladze5223 Жыл бұрын
it's steal is compromised experience. for example: money, next is comfort, headset is balky, hot, have a eyestrain.
@LowBlow Жыл бұрын
@@iraklimgeladze5223 sounds to me like you are a newcomer to VR. I don't have any of those issues.
@iraklimgeladze5223 Жыл бұрын
@@LowBlow I bought Quest 2 almost a year ago. I am not new I dont have money to invest in good hardware to fully drive it. Besides, I work with screens all day and using VR is not easy for my eyes too. I just saying if you have money you are good but the most of us dont have money
@pierregodin1 Жыл бұрын
Great thorough test. Completely agree with your analysis and I arrive to the same conclusions. I would definitely choose VR permanently if it was more comfortable. I would also add in the pros for VR: it's a different world for rallye driving or drifting, where the car is mostly sideways. VR is soooo much better then. No question.
@skrubbys32202 жыл бұрын
For me, VR makes a huge difference, especially because I like to drift in assetto corsa and do rallies in RBR. VR makes a massive difference in both of them just for the visibility around your car and being able to look further away more naturally. RBR especially feels much more comfortable in VR, with a single screen I feel like I have no clue on how close I am to the road edges and ditches. I have had to learn single screen because my Rift CV1 decided to just bust the left eye which makes it impossible to drive. For me VR is definetly the better option.
@SteS Жыл бұрын
What graphics card is needed for VR in RBR? I've only got a GTX 970.
@RockG.o.d2 жыл бұрын
Vr made me better at sims. I don’t think I was faster, but I was crashing less and judging distance better.
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
Distance judging is a big one for me too. So many different aspects to it.
@GenoSalvati Жыл бұрын
When I participate in a track day, wearing a sweaty helmet in a hot car and overcoming the claustrophobic environment is definitely one of the challenges. Perhaps this is another advantage of VR - acclimatization to the real world of performance driving.
@jackhammell19263 жыл бұрын
Agree 100% except for the ‘Going back to the monitor part’🤔 Thanx for the straight to the point video
@OtaQ Жыл бұрын
Well, I only race in VR. Iracing, PC2, AMS2, AC, ACC and F1 22. The huge secret to VR racing: BLINK MORE. You can get use to it.
@RPOLIVNICK2 жыл бұрын
Vr is the best. Always have a fan gently on in the room to stop them from fogging up. Can wait to see what VR will be offering in 10 years time.
@Kuderer Жыл бұрын
awesome video! thats exactly what the title promises without clickbait or youtuber bullshit. sir, i salute you
@dathyr1 Жыл бұрын
Whether I go faster or not with VR more than using Display screens is kind of a mood point for me. I just feel with VR I am more into the game/race by being positioned in the car seat and viewing everything around me. Doing a Display or Displays are great, but I just feel distanced from actually being/driving the car, no immersion into the game. As many people say, once you have done VR in games, it is hard to go back to the flat screens. take care.
@LowBlow Жыл бұрын
Just want to help you out here, it's "moot point", not "mood point".
@PsyJoeTV2 жыл бұрын
I must admit, choosing between my 43" 4K or my Oculus Quest 2, I go for the Quest 2 every time. It makes my cornering and overtaking way more consistent and safe. Plus, I'm a real sucker for immersion, so that's also 50% of why I'm VR mainly.
@CaioCarneloz2 жыл бұрын
Which games do you play? Are you using AirLink or the cable?
@DrProfSlugger2 жыл бұрын
@@CaioCarneloz I haven't gotten a good setup with AirLink but I'm sure there are ways to optimize it. From what I understand, using Virtual Desktop is still better than AirLink.
@PsyJoeTV2 жыл бұрын
@@CaioCarneloz okay. i'm trying to help you out here. but i think someone is constantly deleting my comments to you... sorry man. can't help
@PsyJoeTV2 жыл бұрын
@@CaioCarneloz But look into disabling ASW.
@CaioCarneloz2 жыл бұрын
No problem,@@PsyJoeTV. I just tested both and it is much better with the cable than it is with AirLink. Too much compression when using AirLink, even with WiFi 6. The image gets too blurry.
@itsmb86 ай бұрын
What it seems like it comes down to is how well optimized it is and comfort. If the game is optimized for it and VR is comfortable for you, VR is better. But if not to either, then screens is safer.
@jefmoesy2 жыл бұрын
Already fell in love with Assetto corsa with my dualshock controller playing in VR, must be even better when i get a wheel.
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
Enjoy! It will be mega.
@roddy6924 Жыл бұрын
hmmm thanks for the tip on Cadwell Park, looks like a fun drive either way 😎
@BeowulfGaming2 жыл бұрын
screen is nicer looking and more consistent, but if you are not a competitive racer who competes in online events and wants best lap times in ladderboards then VR is much better. I am a middle aged guy, who does not care about being good but enjoys driving all sorts of cars IRL and in game. After work i put on racing shoes, gloves, VR headset and headphones, boot up AMS2, ACC or PC2 in VR with random weather and random car against AI and i have an absolute blast for 1-2 hours and real worlds stops existing, its just me, my car and the track and nothing beats it.
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
That sounds like the dream life to me!
@johnmann7o22 жыл бұрын
Of course flat screen users generally are faster than VR users, it’s because in VR you’re less comfortable and require a powerful system to have max resolution and high fps to be consistent. Kind of like real life racing, uncomfortable and need a good vehicle to run. But I bet the transition into real life racing will favor VR users than flat screen.
@De-M-oN2 жыл бұрын
VR helps me a ton in Dirt Rally 2.0. I can drive so much more consistent. Sense of Speed and Sense for Distances is sooo much better.
@theroach2204 Жыл бұрын
VR gives you better depth of perception too, meaning you can get better lap times as you can see actually see how far away walls and opponents are. its even better, in rally as you can judge corner distance and angle of attack better, its a shame dirt's handling is nothing like real life, it would have been a good sim.
@RoadRashHD2 жыл бұрын
The iRacing Formula Renault 3.5. You have to raise your in car seat height, so you can see over the tops of the mirrors and wheels. For single screen it makes it a lot easier to see the corner apex in that car.
@caffeinepowered395711 ай бұрын
I've played racing games for years and years on a flat screen, going back to early NES days. To me, the jump to VR from a flat screen feels as big of a jump as going from a third person camera to "true" first person camera (not the tip of the car camera that used to be the standard first person... I'm old). I'm sure a really top of the line setup with 3 massive monitors could make up some of the difference, but I doubt even that would match the level of immersion that even a relatively cheap Quest 2 with Quest Link or Air Link can provide. And that level of immersion that VR provides is just too big of a factor for me. Side note, I can't wait for true full FOV VR to come out, that's going to be wild! I'd love to try a Pimax 8K or Crystal. A tip to make VR more comfortable, get a better head strap ASAP. I was using my Quest 2 with the stock strap for quite a while and it's just a brick hanging from your face after 30 mins or so, especially in games where you're really active or move your head a lot. I got a BoboVR that has a battery pack. It seems a bit counterintuitive that adding weight would be more comfortable but the counter-balancing that it provides is so nice. And in VR racing, where you're not leaning down a lot but mostly needing to swivel your head, I've found it makes an even bigger difference. Great video though! Thanks for this HIGHLY SCIENTIFIC™ test.
@FakeJMXWLS3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video, found it very late... I just recently switched from triples(28" 60hz) to a 49" ultrawide(120hz) and ultimately VR(HP Reverb G2), im currently waiting on changing back to triples (27" sides and 49" ultrawide in center all 2k at 120hz) , although VR is still going to hold a place for learning reference points, feeling track elevations, and brake/coast zones and ultimately fun I dont suffer from the heat or discomfort in VR maybe its due to a box fan blowing at me VR is absolutely amazing but I also have kids and triples are easier to "see in the back seat" VR has an amazing place and I am surprisingly much faster in VR than on a screen but since VR the screen times are improving at a much faster rate as well as consistency coming in close line to the VR times and even on Zandvoort in ACC actually faster on a screen now again
@63cardude2 жыл бұрын
I have a rift s but just switched to triples I was having some issues after the last update but I will say it’s so nice having the clarity and freedom you get with triples and it’s not nearly as hot
@brtcobra2 жыл бұрын
i would say whatever you are more comfortable with will make you faster
@Spinelli__ Жыл бұрын
I've been racing with triple 24" and 27" screens in glorious Nvidia 3D Vision for around 8 years and now and I just got a Pimax 5K Super headset (taking advantage of the awesome Pimax 12K trade-in offer). It makes no difference to my laptimes whether I use triple-screens in 2D, triple-screens in 3D, or VR in 3D. The 3D / stereo vision when using Nvidia 3D Vision and VR is awesome though. It can arguably affect your driving as it can help judge speed, distance, turn-in, etc. better and the immersion from using 3D / stereo vision is incredible. Me personally, even when using crappy 2D, I can still get used to it and drive to the same laptimes but 2D sucks. After playing/racing in 3D, regardless whether it's 1 screen, 3x screens, or VR, anything 2D is unacceptable as it's like looking at a piece of paper. I'd rather pick 3D / stereo vision over any thing else: bigger monitor/s, higher resolution, faster refresh rates, HDR, curved, higher gfx settings, etc.
@GraveUypo2 жыл бұрын
you can build VR endurance, and for the heat thing, just point a fan towards you. or turn on the A/C. I'll play in VR whenever I have the choice. it's just so much more fun. but then again, I just play these games casually and won't be caught dead going "pro" in them. Don't make your hobby your job or you'll start to hate it.
@kevinuploadingwhatever2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm just used to it from tons of practice but I can just sit in VR and play Dirt Rally 2.0 for 1-2 hours at a time (headset on full time) It doesn't really get uncomfortable, I just get mentally exhausted Idk I also make sure to blast my air conditioner before I start playing so maybe that's a part of it
@alexbui13853 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: for better performance in VR in ACC with any oculus... dont launch it with steam vr. Use oculus mode instead. Much better performance, which can make things easier to get used to.
@kdotdo2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea. I’ll try this out. Thanks
@alexbui13852 жыл бұрын
@@kdotdo dont forget your custom engine.ini file. Without it the improvements are minimal.
@alexbui13852 жыл бұрын
@@kdotdo Also are you driving with Saigon United Motorsports? Your name sounds familiar lol
@kdotdo2 жыл бұрын
@@alexbui1385 lol no I am not. Hahaha
@alexbui13852 жыл бұрын
@@kdotdo damn bro u gotta join us, we race in AC, ACC, iRenting, we even sponsor young Vietnamese talents to take part in regional competitions
@DreamstoRealityAutomotiveTV2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been self debating going to triples instead of continuing with my rift, the VR headset can become uncomfortable but it forces me to take breaks. But everything you discuss about performance I completely agree with. When I went from one screen to VR I destroyed my lap times and it created a whole new experience. Took a few weeks to overcome the motion sickness but now it has zero affect on me.
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
Have you found that you can drive for way longer now you're used to VR?
@DreamstoRealityAutomotiveTV2 жыл бұрын
@@TraxionGG well the motion sickness feeling is gone 100 percent. The longest race I’ve done has been about 20 minutes, but over the course of playing most of a day I have no issues. This is most likely a personal thing player to player. I’m currently using a rift S but will most likely upgrade if something more high resolution comes along
@De-M-oN2 жыл бұрын
@@DreamstoRealityAutomotiveTV There is a lot of higher resolution headsets already.
@DreamstoRealityAutomotiveTV2 жыл бұрын
@@De-M-oN any recommendations, are hp reverb2 headsets worth it
@allblack29772 жыл бұрын
@@DreamstoRealityAutomotiveTV yes 100% I upgraded from a rift s to a reverb and its night and day difference. Just need a insane computer to even manage stable fps
@guygittins6934 Жыл бұрын
GREAT video. I find ACC much more tiring in VR, than any other VR sim i race. I’m ready to turn it off after a 20 min race. I think it’s because it’s much more intense and you need to be very accurate. I’m happy to do a 60 minute session in Richard Burns rally in VR!
@lincolnklayvr Жыл бұрын
That wreck on AMS 2 🤣🤣🤣
@jcaashby310 ай бұрын
Im about to turn 51 and just experienced VR for the first time in dirt rally 2. Games have come a long way since my first home gaming experience with The Atari master system.
@jsartori Жыл бұрын
If one is able to by a vr headset with at least an average quality I believe it is a bit more natural for the brain to deal with 3D space than having to understand it from a flat image. That should translate to more speed over time, if not already from the start. To me, it also helps keeping the focus as I'm totally disconnect from any visual distraction outside of the game.
@martinlenker62002 жыл бұрын
Underrated Video! Thanks Bro! See you on the Track!
@RWoody1995 Жыл бұрын
Like most things in sim racing, as long as you have a wheel nothing you do to add to it whether its upgrading to DD or load cell or triples vs single or screen vs VR... none of them will make you faster, none of them will make you slower either. They make it more immersive and each upgrade might make you more consistent too but at the end of the day you're just throwing inputs at a computer and it will always do the same thing with those inputs. Going DD will make catching slides more intuitive (but you can still do it on a G29), load cells make it easier to find the braking threshold and to repeatedly hit the ideal braking force for trail braking (but you can always teach yourself to do those things with a basic setup), triples give you more visibility to fight closely with other cars (but plenty of people manage that with a single 24" monitor) and VR gives you depth perception so you can create reference points more quickly and you can almost feel every mph and intuitively feel if you are going fast enough or too fast for a corner (but there will still be people on a single 24" who can run 12x 1:27.3 in a row while you end up doing maybe three with a bunch of 27.5 and 27.7's thrown in). But at the end of the day every one of those things you can adapt to with a screen or with a gear/belt driven wheel or a potentiometer based brake etc, every millisecond you think you can gain by upgrading your setup someone else has already gained it on an G25 that's old enough to get a driving licence itself, the rest is just for adding realism, making it feel more like the real thing and reducing how much you need to practice due to consistency but you'll hit the same wall if you use either setup for long enough, the limit to your pace is *always* directly correlated with practice time.
@talon17068 ай бұрын
I cant go back to flat screen racing after trying VR six years ago. It's just not the same. Depth perception is increased a lot. Door handle to door handle racing looks awesome. Started with a Rift S and now have a Varjo Aero. VR for me.
@brianehmke26682 жыл бұрын
Just started video but going to say now it made me faster. Being able to look at apex "normally out of view or fpv screen" in vr I can look while driving and take every inch.
@codyhuber42522 жыл бұрын
Love vr can’t wait for the headsets to evolve more. I might be one of the few who can play for hours with out getting sick but eyes get a little tired
@GaryMcKinnonUFO2 жыл бұрын
When i used to play Counterstrike, i could clearly see the diffrence between 30 and 60 frames per second, i could also see the difference between 60 and 120 FPS. Above that it was hard to tell for me. I think the frames pers econd metric is more important in first person shooters than it is in sim racing.
@alexwalter3563 Жыл бұрын
in VR you were sitting higher in the car so you could see the track better. you could change your ride height when your on your monitor or lower the height in vr cause you wouldn't be sitting that high but good video, I've been using vr for 5+ years for racing and I finally tried triples and I was faster not as consistent cause i still need to get used to it but I think monitors are better especially if you can go with triples in vr you have tunnel vision but its all user preferences
@WorldHayes-VR Жыл бұрын
I been playing VR games since 2016 From Gear VR PSVR and Quest 2 i can't go back to flat games. In VR you can shoot in different directions stand next to anything and stick your arm out with your weapon without being seen and shoot . u can look in all directions 3-D audio works perfectly
@alkine3011 Жыл бұрын
VR vs a screen is different than VR vs Triple Curved screens ....VR will be better than a single screen but for longer races a Triple screen setup with the right FOV gives you a very good feeling but you don't get hot while racing with Triples.. I've got both so for me VR is for when I'm just playing around when but it's a real race for points it's Triples all day.
@Toutvids Жыл бұрын
You gotta go triple screens above 60 fps to make the proper comparison. I'm running triple 32 inch 1440p screens at 75 hz. The game is usually running above 100 fps and my VR headset has been hanging on the wall, collecting dust for months. Just the comfort level is a massive benefit. After about 30 minutes I have sweaty ears and forehead and my eyes are starting to fatigue. No fun there. I love VR but until they can make some simple glasses do the job, it is too much to wear. I usually race for hours with short breaks after two stages (rally racer) depending on the lengths of the stage.
@jimidemian Жыл бұрын
Great video! I like the way you say competizione xD, you sound as a Italian guy
@John-ok8ts3 жыл бұрын
I race the Formula Renault 3.5 and at Road Atlanta you are about 3 secs off the pace. VR definitely makes it easier to judge turn in an braking points but once you get close to the limit which 3 secs isn't then what monitors allow you to do is better judge when the car is beginning to over rotate and enter a spin. This is essential to drive at the limit so ultimately I found VR to be about 3-4 tenths faster. Plus yea you need your FOV set correctly and then switching isn't quite as bad as you make it out to be.
@d.o.52382 жыл бұрын
For me, it's the opposite, harder to spot exact braking points because of lower visual clarity, but much easier to feel the car's rotation in VR. Also, blind corners and hairpins are no longer a guesswork. As for the laptimes, initially they were essentially the same when I switched to VR three years ago and I think I got a bit faster in the meantime, but I completely lost my ability to race with flat screens, so I can't compare that now. And no, I'm not 3 seconds off the pace :)
@Cheedee2 жыл бұрын
The race finish lmaoooooooo
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
Happens every time anyone races at Cadwell 😂
@melvyns1975 Жыл бұрын
Don't think I'll ever go back to flatscreen now
@user-wq9mw2xz3j2 жыл бұрын
I think a newer comparasion, between a decent 3 screen setup and a better vr (reverb g2 or pimax 5k) needs to be make.
@bilbostorm4503 Жыл бұрын
I used triples for 3 years odd even when I had a HTC Vive as I would get motion sickeness the odd time. Once I tried my friends HP Reverb G2 last year I moved on to one myself as the improved resolution removed motion sickness completely for me. I would say I improved by an average of 1 second a lap in VR for most tracks, especially when learning a track/car combo.
@lcsper2 жыл бұрын
VR is so much better than screens its not even funny. Resolution is a thing for sure, it kinda feels like you are always near sighted but the added spatial awareness, depth perception and just feel is so much better its not even a fair comparison. On screen setups the games look much better but the depth perception is gone. The sense of speed is so much different.
@De-M-oN2 жыл бұрын
Modern headsets have big resolution though
@lcsper2 жыл бұрын
@@De-M-oN sure some do. Mainstream ones that are affordable are typically 4k though which is kind of blurry when looking at a distance. Problem is that the higher the res the more pixel pushing power needed. Mainstream video cards still aren't powerful enough for a good experience. My 2070 is OK for most games with my Samsung Odyssey+ HMD but it certainly isn't enough in some games like ACC. Its workable but 90 fps is a push. I gather that an 8k equivalent HMD would require at the very least a 3080 but then again pretty soon more cards come out that have more power.
@fitnesschefen2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I hope I can cope with motion sickness soon
@florian-k Жыл бұрын
A big reason for being worse in ACC in VR is that it is so badly optimized for VR. The poor fps performance and poor graphical quality make it very taxing for your eyes/brain.
@Mik4ael Жыл бұрын
I race competitively and I can stay that VR a bit faster but the real thing is that you can be much more consistent. Still i find VR still lacking in comfort, the image is so blurry sometimes and I hate that.
@roberty212 жыл бұрын
ACC is terribly optimised for VR, ams2 is brilliant, I have a 3080ti and a 12th gen cpu and still couldn’t get ACC looking great, switching to openxr instead of Steam Vr has helped a lot though. I went from single screen to triples to VR and now race exclusively in VR, I started on Quest2 and it did get uncomfortable after a bit but with the reverb g2 not only is it visually far superior it is way more comfortable and I’ve done a 4 hour race at Le Mans with no problem, no going back to pancakes for me
@roberty21 Жыл бұрын
@@catfish_billy66 I have it looking good but not looking great my point was if it was optimised better with my spec of PC I should be able to run it at higher settings
@roberty21 Жыл бұрын
@@catfish_billy66 oh and I don’t play iracing mostly Assetto Corsa or ACC and in AC I play around a lot with settings and have it looking amazing
@szelanyo2 жыл бұрын
#11 Getting involved in a mass accident is even more enjoyable in virtual reality than it is in literal reality!
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
You’re not wrong! I’ve been in a Cadwell turn one pile up before in real life and I much preferred it in VR 😂
@sbbeowulf8296 Жыл бұрын
i found vr to be slower at first but soon found it to be very consistent and when you are going very fast you can feel the fact you are going fast and being able to look over at other cars helps my race craft however after 30 minutes your focus can drop significantly in vr making it harder to be consistent but its one of those thinga you have to work on and is quite realistic compared to real life
@kzugaming42872 жыл бұрын
For me it is about réalism and immersion so VR 100%
@totowolffstable40442 жыл бұрын
I only have this question because a great vr is still cheaper than a good tripple screen + screwn stands
@danaolson287111 ай бұрын
VR needs an actively cooled headset. When sim driving for 90 minutes with a screen I can get sweaty. The goggles make it worse.
@stefwoam48302 жыл бұрын
I started driving simracing in 1998 with Grand-Prix Lgends. Now I use AC, ACC, and mainly rF2 and iRacing. I have a triple screen of 24 inches and Track-iR. But for three months, I have an Oculus Quest 2 that runs with a PC not at the Top. I'm a little faster in VR but above all, I take a lot more pleasure. The disadvantages, indeed, are the pain and fatigue that can generate the helmet , as well as heat management. Pwwee. Bonne route !!
@kryton242 жыл бұрын
i think we can boil this all down to 2 factors.... why do you play games.... either 1. you enjoy it or 2. you want people to think you are cool.. so ... what do you get more enjoyment out of... or what gets you a better score.... personnally i dont care what my score is... did i have fun... then thats a win. p prefer vr. i find it more seat of the pants adrenaline fun
@armhunter2 жыл бұрын
I think its the VR headset that is bothering you that quickly. I fly DCS for hours using my Vlave Index. It never feels uncomfortable. Once I started using VR.. I don't even play many flat screen games now.
@toko7746 Жыл бұрын
You should put a warning on this, the pink white transition flash almost caused me an epilepsy attack. It's like watchingn flashing lights because its so bright.
@robertt93426 ай бұрын
Racing and flight simulator is literally the best use cases for VR… the draw backs are real though.
@houseking9211 Жыл бұрын
if vr was nicer to wear, and didn't strain the eyes so much, it would be way way better imo, I never liked using single screen with standard cockpit view because visibility is just so bad compared to hood cam or dash cam
@JBVXR2 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and already a big fan. I adore ACC but it's a massive let-down in VR, so frustrating because it's my favourite sim but for me it's unplayable in VR. Especially when compared to iRacing and AMS2 (and the original AC). I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the driving factors behind the team moving away from UE for AC2, because they just can't get an acceptable VR performance out of it.
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! Glad you like the content!
@eduardofreitas83362 жыл бұрын
Im very lucky in that I get so engrossed in the racing that I barely feel the disconfort in vr until I take it off. Even did 3h endurancw rsces in acc. But I dropped ACC because it was indeed the only sim where in the end I found vr wasnt worth it. At least with my specs, it does not run well at all lol. Just got into Iracing and the sim is perfect if you like vr.
@Sbinott0 Жыл бұрын
My problem with vr is comfort, after 10-15 minutes my eyes start to hurt, i begin to sweat, and I have to take a break, if they solve this vr would definitely be the way
@AlejandroLopez-wy2st2 жыл бұрын
Answering this: "When was the last time you saw an esports professional win a league race in VR?" Since I got VR I have raced many leagues and I usually win 90% of the races XD.
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@ChristopherBurress Жыл бұрын
I usually thought that I was reasonably quick until a tried acc, in which I was very first introduced to zolder. First lap times were 1:36ish and I have gotten that down to 1:31.2 but I just have no idea where another 3 or 4 seconds might be out there. Any tips?
@TraxionGG Жыл бұрын
1:31's are not bad at all! Will just be a case of chipping away a little bit everywhere, usually its the track limits that you can exploit at Zolder to find the lap time. Have you watched our track guide? - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/euB1p9l8y9umkoU.html
@Blackeye1987 Жыл бұрын
dont know how correct the video is to inbetween vr and single screen but it seems like your vr is way higher positionied then the standart single screen, which might give you the exact advantage in vr over single screen
@counterdebate2 жыл бұрын
Basically "imao" you kind of messed up trying VR in ACC (not your fault, but it's known for being not every good in VR) ... Should have tried AC instead. VR is the future as long as you have the newest tech and of course it continues to get better. Also... My 1080p/quest 2 setup is to a 3080ti/varjo3 setup what a flat screen 30fps is to a 144fps + screen feel... So all about the dollars at the moment 🤷🏻♂️ And... Lots of love, great channel dude! 😍
@kivanccelik5120 күн бұрын
How about PC requirements? Can a mid-ish end GPU like the RTX 3070 or an RX 6750 XT give me a good FPS on most games? It's okay if I would have to turn down the graphics a bit. If not, what level of GPUs are ideal for VR? I also heard VR has a slight latency to it. Is it noticable to the point that it can be a dealbreaker? It's gonna be my first time building a sim rig and I can't choose between triple screens and a VR
@seebarry4068 Жыл бұрын
VR made me take racing seriously. It was fun on a joypad until I got a psvr. Then came an obsession with dirt rally vr. Then steering wheel. Then fold up race chair. Then DK2. Then iracing 2 year subscription (which I lost 6 months of due to knee implosion 😡). Then an overpriced gtx1080, followed finally by a 3070ti. Not to mention I got so spendy on iracing that I get 20% off everything forever.
@SyTrades Жыл бұрын
I absolutely love AC in VR and its great for those short to medium length drift sessions that aren't exactly gonna be requiring your full focus, and for that I think VR is a great option, but having taken more time to dive into endurance races on ACC I find myself also losing pace after awile becuase it just hurts to have on my head and my eyes get dry after 45 or so minutes and have to take a break. But there really is nothing like it I've also had days where I spent 4 hour sessions on one track trying to learn it in VR and then transitioning back to screen for a main race, it certainly has it's uses but I can see how it just wouldn't be worth the pricetag for some people. Great video TGG!
@markcrowley652 жыл бұрын
Thanks, excellent review
@TraxionGG2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the comment and glad it has helped!
@harrys8600 Жыл бұрын
I think the video shows that VR is faster. If you can overcome the heat and it becoming uncomfortable. I think you do need to something better than the Rift s which is really a low end headset these days. Try Varjo or other heads with mods for comfort. I can wear for Aero and G2 (with mods) for hours. But on lap times, VR was revelation for me fast times yes, but more consistent times. I would love to combine it with a motion rig Ps- try ACC with a 4090, it’s much better. ACC just looks horrible without a top end gfx card.
@BigDuke6ixx Жыл бұрын
It's not all about the speed. VR knocks the spots off screens any day or the week. You can judge distance and closure rates much better in VR.
@festa2892 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. However assuming the FOV in VR is correct and you are getting a different "sense of speed" when switching between the 2, means the FOV settings on your monitor MUST be incorrect. The FOV / sense of speed between IRL, VR and Monitors should always be the same :)
@festa2892 жыл бұрын
@Ez Pz Huh? If you start with the FOV calculator, it will get you pretty close. Then in a situation like this where you have a known "correct" FOV to compare it to, you can tweak it to make it spot on.
@De-M-oN2 жыл бұрын
Nope at all. Sense of Speed and Sense for Distances is a massive improvement in VR. In VR you also dont have to mess with FOV Settings. Its not a thing there. Thats something for screens.
@festa2892 жыл бұрын
@@De-M-oN I assumed the FOV is correct in VR as per my first comment, which means the FOV on the screens is incorrect 😉
@uncleflansy5621 Жыл бұрын
After just a month on PSVR2 with GT7, I can't drive any other way. I haven't wanted to play any of my sims on my PC because I don't have a headset for it yet.
@TinoushGTR Жыл бұрын
I pulled my rift s after 3 years out to see if it can hold a candle against my triple 32". Just to find out that the new drivers will brick it. 🤦♂️ Facebook ftw right.