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Trolling Arena Zoomers With Stax | Against the Odds

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MTGGoldfish

MTGGoldfish

Күн бұрын

Best-of-one Timeless is full of Scam decks and degenerate graveyard brews, making it the perfect time to stax some opponents out of the game!
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@Xan1011
@Xan1011 Ай бұрын
Seth has become Crim, player of Leyline
@TheyCallMeDio
@TheyCallMeDio Ай бұрын
Why does this sound like the Oppenheimer speech lol
@Xan1011
@Xan1011 Ай бұрын
@@TheyCallMeDio Look upon his stax, ye mighty, and despair.
@mikemoyer8162
@mikemoyer8162 Ай бұрын
Seth has always been Crim's big brother. He just hides it well.
@TransformersBoss
@TransformersBoss Ай бұрын
Well, Crim recently became Seth with a Flawless Victory in one of his videos
@jellywillreturn
@jellywillreturn Ай бұрын
It's his Sethcurity Blanket
@TransformersBoss
@TransformersBoss Ай бұрын
1:57 “hopefully our opponent is trying to Scam us.” Opponent has Lurrus as companion. Grief and Fury aint comin
@roryhatcher1880
@roryhatcher1880 Ай бұрын
"Should have played some basics!" Hahaha dying rn
@kmb1800
@kmb1800 Ай бұрын
4:25 you wouldn't lose the phelia thanks to first strike
@ToadboyMTG
@ToadboyMTG Ай бұрын
I was just about to comment this. Seth is goofy sometimes
@GuyrillaBraun
@GuyrillaBraun Ай бұрын
Put some respect on his name. That is DOCTOR Amish Goat, thank you very much.
@goreobsessed2308
@goreobsessed2308 Ай бұрын
😂
@Darkflamecrusader
@Darkflamecrusader Ай бұрын
Based on how he played, Mr. Goat doesn't deserve all that much respect.
@GuyrillaBraun
@GuyrillaBraun Ай бұрын
@@Darkflamecrusader He's Amish, so his degree is questionable at best.
@imakuni67
@imakuni67 Ай бұрын
They didn't spend 6 years in Amish Goat school to be called mister
@jackthebroken2084
@jackthebroken2084 Ай бұрын
Janking out Mythic "#69" with a Leyline of Sanctity was pure bliss.
@mh_voltage7974
@mh_voltage7974 Ай бұрын
how is leyline janking them out? that card is far from jank... the deck is jank but he didnt jank them out that game he just played leyline
@justharry2190
@justharry2190 Ай бұрын
it was quite nice B)
@bigpoppy3
@bigpoppy3 28 күн бұрын
@@mh_voltage7974 how mr 69 handled it was pretty jank
@gaminggeckos4388
@gaminggeckos4388 Ай бұрын
4:28 Ya forgot how double blocking works when one of your creatures has first strike! That Phelia was never in any danger at all!!
@elogee_yt
@elogee_yt Ай бұрын
Those games where Winter Moon felt like a Thalia without the 2/1 First Strike were pretty eye opening
@randomloginnamebtw7759
@randomloginnamebtw7759 Ай бұрын
Would you ever consider revisiting old decks? The very first deck you made that I absolutely fell in love with was the brain in the jar zombies deck and a lot of that is available on arena.
@ToadboyMTG
@ToadboyMTG Ай бұрын
Lol u could maybe get a smaller creator make that video!
@OddMidnight
@OddMidnight Ай бұрын
Mono-red prison witn wintermoon maybe?
@thechestrockfield
@thechestrockfield Ай бұрын
The Mythic 59 player shame scooping on turn two was AMAZING!
@TakaRai7
@TakaRai7 Ай бұрын
Its not cat Jesus, but Aven Mindcensor is in the format
@VBane
@VBane Ай бұрын
Was about to post this
@wafflehaxxx
@wafflehaxxx Ай бұрын
3 mana dies to bowmaster is not the best rate.
@arghanothername
@arghanothername Ай бұрын
Rather see that in place of winter moon
@sams3476
@sams3476 Ай бұрын
Always a good day when we get more Instructor Seth
@SoftyMage
@SoftyMage Ай бұрын
Loved the Bear stories!
@dracish123456789
@dracish123456789 Ай бұрын
watching seth target the fable which he can block instead of the grief in that board state at 19:20
@Guynamedharry
@Guynamedharry Ай бұрын
Getting "Aether Vile" and "Leonen Arbitor" on Arena would be fantastic.
@jstuckless
@jstuckless Ай бұрын
lol Vial. That's funny though, some people think it's vile.
@as95ms98
@as95ms98 Ай бұрын
As much as I hate The One Ring, I think it's better to replace the Winter Moons with The One Ring for card draw. Most of the games you lost were due to a lack of card advantage after a successful early game.
@nietrelevant3338
@nietrelevant3338 21 күн бұрын
Novice inspector also a good consideration, fills out the curve nicely
@josephwodarczyk977
@josephwodarczyk977 Ай бұрын
12:40 Bear is precious, and he needs to cuddle with the goats.
@joev1083
@joev1083 Ай бұрын
This seems like a really good Sam / ghost quarter deck. Maybe with baubles too, perhaps a slightly better engine than thrabs
@v-niftytrickster4166
@v-niftytrickster4166 Ай бұрын
Wait you could get evoked solitude back too!!
@joev1083
@joev1083 Ай бұрын
@@v-niftytrickster4166 yes exactly, it'd give the deck a little more flexibility with the doggo too, I think it'd also probably be worth running a few fetches for him too
@as95ms98
@as95ms98 Ай бұрын
After seeing Crim and now this video, it almost seems optimal to always have 4 Leyline of Sanctity in a Timeless deck, even if they're off colour. At least in Bo1.
@KDKalvinDrake
@KDKalvinDrake Ай бұрын
My favorite Phelia combo is The Princess Takes Flight, exiling an opponent's card, then when it comes back to your turn, gives Phelia flying and +2/+2 to hopefully swing over their creatures, rinse repeat
@Harakeeri
@Harakeeri Ай бұрын
This looks like a fun deck. If you're having mana flood problems, cut 4 lands and throw in 4 Witch Enchanters, the 4cmc 2/2 that moonlights as a land
@purplecharmanderz2975
@purplecharmanderz2975 Ай бұрын
overall winter moon while it may have slowed things down, didn't really win any games there. If you're looking for alternatives, given how you wound up losing typically - main suggestions would probably be: - archivist of Oghma: draws you cards when ever an opponent cracks a fetch. Not the most consistent, but does still provide some opposition to the fetches. Better than nothing. - one ring: best card draw option we have here. Can buy a turn as well. - ghostly prison: Won't address the card draw issue, but fits with the stax theme more, especially once you got yourself bunkered down with leyline.
@thecrazycapn
@thecrazycapn Ай бұрын
When do we get Against the Odds: Freerunning Assassins? The only reason that trash is in Modern is for you, Seth!
@JLazyLaz
@JLazyLaz Ай бұрын
@35:21 It does matter which one you exile first. The opponent gains more life when you exile the scourge first. You gave him 3 extra life.
@AllTop507
@AllTop507 Ай бұрын
If winter moon said "nonbasics enter tapped" as well it could be good bc then they couldn't have mana from nonbasics or fetches on the turn they played them. Essentially, the card does a thing, but has no text that forces that thing. A lot of generically good cards, like guide of souls for example, do a thing and have a payoff for the thing it does that can be reached in a timely manner. Guide of Souls makes energy AND gives you a way to use energy in a timely manner. Winter moon limits your opponents' land untaps, but DOES NOT give you a way to tap or guarantee that your opponents' lands will be tapped in a timely manner, which would need to be the turn they are played in a format like timeless where everything is a fairly low mana cost.
@hydra66
@hydra66 Ай бұрын
They're being Conservative whilst they find the sweet spot for land hate. But I'm expecting your version of winter moon in the next couple of years
@CJTongue
@CJTongue Ай бұрын
@@hydra66 Thalia, Heretic Cathar would be good though
@SpringDryad
@SpringDryad Ай бұрын
Loved the goats and dog story lol pets are amazing ❤
@JFroPrime
@JFroPrime Ай бұрын
Crim would be so proud to see you play this. He loves having all of the fun in a game
@xorik1592
@xorik1592 Ай бұрын
4:25 First strike damage will still happen first…
@kyonizuka
@kyonizuka Ай бұрын
yeah pretty sure he was thinking of the amped raptor, like in his head he knew his opponent had first strike as well and then just didnt piece together that he had a clean block there.
@mikemoyer8162
@mikemoyer8162 Ай бұрын
I think the only reason winter moon sucked so bad was the nonbo with the white orchid phantom. It still might not be good. But that definitely made it look worse.
@Laevus2321
@Laevus2321 Ай бұрын
Always happy to hear more stories about Bear :) The deck was also fun to watch - though almost definitely not as fun to play against.
@ShinjiGetsGrounded
@ShinjiGetsGrounded Ай бұрын
"its got the best art out of any card in our hand" 😆😂🤣
@NtasticMan
@NtasticMan Ай бұрын
This budget deck sounds interesting I’d love to see a video on it
@koltwynia8451
@koltwynia8451 Ай бұрын
He can’t because he kept losing
@79awinkler
@79awinkler Ай бұрын
Can we add smokestacks to arena?
@xerogaming3593
@xerogaming3593 Ай бұрын
I would say replace the Wintermoon with Novice Inspector that way you have 4 clue makers after watching all those games.
@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N
@L_O_V_E_L_A_I_N Ай бұрын
I could see playing Skyclave Apparition in that slot. Would be nice to have some removal for noncreatures.
@Blee48
@Blee48 23 сағат бұрын
#59 knew his throw dage deck was stumped with Leyline haha
@combatwombat8742
@combatwombat8742 Ай бұрын
I really want to see you play with the lizzard wizzard so you can make king gizzard jokes. It also seems like a very cool card and idea for a deck. Your amazing Seth :)
@brennanclement8582
@brennanclement8582 Ай бұрын
Tried this with a red splash for Blood Moon instead of Winter Moon, and threw in a One Ring. 4-1 record so far, awesome deck!
@Wizardofexisting
@Wizardofexisting 22 күн бұрын
@14:26 that scoop made me laugh so hard.
@ruesifus
@ruesifus Ай бұрын
It was more like zoomers teaching stax a lesson.
@cedricappleby2006
@cedricappleby2006 Ай бұрын
Teaching Arena Boomer about 2024 card design
@pedrosaenz5520
@pedrosaenz5520 Ай бұрын
I love that Seth goes from lets have fun, to oh evil I will show you evil
@derrickthewhite1
@derrickthewhite1 Ай бұрын
White orchid Phantom wins game 1 by being a first strike 2/2. Game 2: "Now is White Orchid Phantom's time to shine!"
@Kurayamiblack
@Kurayamiblack Ай бұрын
*sees the word "stax" and checks the video length* Me: "Yup..."
@modsroma3173
@modsroma3173 Ай бұрын
Seth your videos are always such a treat! ❤
@zacharywilliams3597
@zacharywilliams3597 Ай бұрын
That turn 2 Ulamog game was wild 😭
@OddMidnight
@OddMidnight Ай бұрын
Wintermoon and bloodmoon work good together. Bloodmoon doesn't actually turn nonbasics into basic mountains, just mountains. It forces them to untap one mountain a turn
@yoyoguy1st
@yoyoguy1st Ай бұрын
Typically if you have a blood moon out having a winter moon as well is just overkill. The opponent likely isn’t playing the game at that point
@OddMidnight
@OddMidnight Ай бұрын
​@yoyoguy1st Yeah, but until magus of the moon is put on Arena, using bloodmoon as your main prison piece is unrealistic. Wintermoon slows the game down long enough to pull out either your main threats or Karn. It punishes control for countering your spells or casting on your end step, and it makes bloodmoon a lot easier to get out. Also, timeless has a lot more players that play basics than in the past. If they have some way of getting the one or two mana pips they need, winter moon will tax their generic mana like a God Pharoah's Statue. It's not a staple for monored prison, but it seems to work better in timeless with it than without it.
@Weenhander
@Weenhander Ай бұрын
Love the vid! Still waiting on rough drafts to come back though!!
@zachgray4767
@zachgray4767 Ай бұрын
Got some room for a couple utility lands. Could go all snow for 2 or 3 copies of Faceless Haven. Roadside Reliquary or Field of Ruin seem pretty decent as well. Yes, I know you run Winter Moon, but a couple copies of nonbasics wouldn't get in the way of that.
@cd_sern2690
@cd_sern2690 Ай бұрын
Okay but you got me excited for that Young Pyromancer deck
@joeaquilino19
@joeaquilino19 6 күн бұрын
That new elk might be ok in this deck 👀 👌
@bmcclure3atgatech
@bmcclure3atgatech Ай бұрын
The real reason to watch these videos is the Bear v goats story:)
@normative
@normative Ай бұрын
Sort of seems like if it’s going to work as an anti-scam deck you need to mulligan to the Leyline. Which led to an immediate scoop the one time you had one out & hit scam.
@benpouy3345
@benpouy3345 Ай бұрын
I’ve been playing white orchid phantom in Timeless and it’s rapidly become my favourite MH3 card
@AndresSanchez-jl8zv
@AndresSanchez-jl8zv Ай бұрын
09:50 The peruvian laugh 😂😂
@Moop321
@Moop321 Ай бұрын
My favourite deck is mono white mindcensor land destruction. Anything that stops searches, in this case aven mindcensor, field of ruin effects, white orchid phantom, its awesome. It definitely sucks because its so reliant on mindcensor, and does nothing against a lot of monocolour decks, but its beautiful when it works
@miguelfreitas5343
@miguelfreitas5343 Ай бұрын
I actually find this whole concept very interesting, because nowadays 90% of my queue is Boros Energy Aggro... I legit can't remember the last time i faced any of the decks this deck is built to face
@Gorbgorbenson
@Gorbgorbenson Ай бұрын
In timeless or historic. Energy is far less prevalent in Timeless, in my experience.
@neverstoplaughingcomedy386
@neverstoplaughingcomedy386 Ай бұрын
I can't believe you weren't playing the strongest stax card, Roiling Vortex.
@vincenzosardone5806
@vincenzosardone5806 Ай бұрын
This video gave me so much satisfaction. 🤣 The zoomer playing Grief, only to notice later that you have leyline, made me laugh so much! 🤣As well as the one who played Not dead after all. 🤣Arena players who doesn't know the rules are so funny sometimes. 🤣 Love you Seth!! 🤣🤣
@SaltyRad
@SaltyRad Ай бұрын
that 2nd player poor guy lmao. i know that felt bad
@GarrettTrimble
@GarrettTrimble Ай бұрын
This deck felt like it could really have benefitted from either some big card draw engine or some inevitable creature/planeswalker. Got in so many positions where the board was clear but felt like opponents had a chance anyway by slowly playing out their janky creatures
@CJTongue
@CJTongue Ай бұрын
Thalia, Heretic Cathar seems much better than wintermoon, tap their fetches and then their fetched land, encouraging them to grab the basics or be delayed two turns, at which point you can blow up the other non basics and start stone raining them. Also ditching the moon lets you run regular non basic land destruction lands too (fields &co) or creature lands
@lukasloetscher1037
@lukasloetscher1037 Ай бұрын
11:22 you should cast ephemerate in your opponents upkeep. So he has one less mana to work with that turn.
@clintcook8691
@clintcook8691 Ай бұрын
Did Seth miss play forgetting the one creature had first strike in the first game? So even if oppenent would’ve chose to block the dog first the first strike damage would’ve went first anyways?
@TheLunaLockhart
@TheLunaLockhart Ай бұрын
this is the most games I've seen in one video lmao
@noahhager1187
@noahhager1187 Ай бұрын
35:15 I suspect this was a white orchid phantom they probably had a bunch of spells they couldn't play
@nietrelevant3338
@nietrelevant3338 21 күн бұрын
Feels like ghost quarter would be a good addition. And maybe replace winter moon, with novice inspector.
@connormacleod908
@connormacleod908 Ай бұрын
I’ve just been running slickshot with Harbinger of the Tides and Winter moon to Jank ‘em out
@nosyamthegreat8768
@nosyamthegreat8768 Ай бұрын
Also remember folks 4:25 he could double block without looseing the dog becuase of first strike👍
@ComradeVenus
@ComradeVenus Ай бұрын
maybe this list would benefit from a one ring? or some colorless card draw like mazemind tome? it really needs a way to restock on cards
@anthonymentalewicz5143
@anthonymentalewicz5143 Ай бұрын
We all thought crim was crazy maindecking 4 leyline and aggressively mulliganing 3 months ago.
@goreobsessed2308
@goreobsessed2308 Ай бұрын
Woo can we really do stax in arena time to have old school fun. What was your winrate?
@cerilious
@cerilious Ай бұрын
This video is cathartic.
@Abolish_Religion
@Abolish_Religion Ай бұрын
This might be the deck that gets me into timeless
@williambowen8054
@williambowen8054 Ай бұрын
This Bear story is goated.
@jek15origami
@jek15origami Ай бұрын
Ahh trolling arena zoomers... never gets old
@chrisbonjour111
@chrisbonjour111 Ай бұрын
White board wipe over Wintermoon probably is something to consider
@LuizOMenudo
@LuizOMenudo Ай бұрын
Well, the shuffler conspiracy is true for Brawl, at least
@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124
@SuPeRHeRoDuDe3124 Ай бұрын
What shuffler conspiracy
@DHLightcaster
@DHLightcaster Ай бұрын
This is the sweetest revenge
@bensawmiller3005
@bensawmiller3005 Ай бұрын
Why didnt he blink the opponents grief with ephemerate or phelia around 19:20? Wouldnt that give him exyra draws?
@surfinggarchomp2820
@surfinggarchomp2820 Ай бұрын
phelia only blinks until end of turn, so grief could still attack, and ephemerate is only you control
@D_A_D_
@D_A_D_ 8 күн бұрын
I wonder if Karn, Scion of Urza could work in this deck as it's card advantage engine since you mentioned needing one
@Omnicrom
@Omnicrom Ай бұрын
Seth turning into Farfa after having One Bad Day...
@joeysmith5767
@joeysmith5767 Ай бұрын
I think the one ring would be a much better include than winter moon. Solves the card advantage problem
@syrelian
@syrelian Ай бұрын
Isn't Trinisphere on Arena now? Slamming one of those down would stop all the Evoke Elementals dead
@htspencer9084
@htspencer9084 Ай бұрын
Beating T2 ulamog gave me such immense seratonin 😂
@TheLoneAlpaca
@TheLoneAlpaca Ай бұрын
my favorite mtg series
@Joyverse
@Joyverse Ай бұрын
Was looking for a tax deck. Ayt OK lets goooo!
@airtempest8945
@airtempest8945 Ай бұрын
41:10 I think you probably could've won this if you flashed in Solitude in response to or before Phelia's trigger, since then the same result happens on that turn (Solitude is blinked and stays and Ravagan dies), but it saves the Ephemerate for later and given that the match was won by exactly 1 creature, it probably could've worked.
@Martini_1911
@Martini_1911 Ай бұрын
Path to Exile was added to Arena, right? Maybe having some number of those in place of the Winter Moons would give the deck more resilience against big creatures and put more pressure on the oponent to search out basics
@starmanda88
@starmanda88 Ай бұрын
Oh Bear definitely wants to eat those goats 😂😂😂
@Gorbgorbenson
@Gorbgorbenson Ай бұрын
15:20 is exactly why I think it's funny that everyone hates scam. Like, yeah, it sucks to play against, but you're in a format that's faster than any else, so if you remove Grief, generally the problem is solved and they lose is my experience.
@Kryptnyt
@Kryptnyt Ай бұрын
In theory White Orchid Phantom and Winter Moon don't make a lot of sense together. In practice people don't play basic lands
@jonathanstudentkit
@jonathanstudentkit Ай бұрын
Thanks for testing winter moon, now i know it's absolutely useless
@garrethebert8654
@garrethebert8654 Ай бұрын
I am sad I didn't get to hear the Seth intro... :(
@doppelganger5328
@doppelganger5328 Ай бұрын
perhaps holding back one leyline for pitching purposes is a proper play. but also doubling up is good
@DarkWr4ith
@DarkWr4ith Ай бұрын
I think if the moons were a sweeper like, Wrath of the Skies, the deck would be a lot stronger.
@bradross7488
@bradross7488 Ай бұрын
What do you think about a 2-3 witch enchanters as flood insurance Seth? I know it’s a nonbo with winter moon, but you DO get to untap at least one of them.
@nosyamthegreat8768
@nosyamthegreat8768 Ай бұрын
Okay but i so wanna see that young pyro deck. Maybe in best of three? AT LEAST an article so can copy it
@TeabagDeluxe
@TeabagDeluxe Ай бұрын
Lmao that autopilot player at 14:10 Cards are hard to read
@ponymaster2939
@ponymaster2939 Ай бұрын
My god it's insane how little those high ranked players don't read the cards
@jonathanstudentkit
@jonathanstudentkit Ай бұрын
keep one leyline for the solitude Seth
@davidmorales-dm7xm
@davidmorales-dm7xm Ай бұрын
It's hard to see Seth not mulligan until he gets the leyline in hand
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