I want to see sully, nikki and bejbo make up an ebil team together

That would be amazing

@@michaelj1534 add Carly to that list and we got a heck of a game

If you bring Sully, bring Dom along too! Imagine the mayhem🤣

Actually no... Edd and Ben came to different conclusions about the death of an outsider, which is why Ben switched the death from recluse to the empath in night 2.

Surely he was just watching the stream and cheated? He so specifically described the edge-case that Ben himself had never had to consider. He instantly brought up without prompting that there could be a day 1 Vortex change to a Fang Gu who then gets protected by the Monk which nullifies its own demon ability when attacking an Outsider. The odds of calling that (and only that), without saying anything that was inaccurate despite having bad information on day 1? I believe he was just cheating.

@@RenewedRS I don't think he did, his first call @ 1:20:37 was Vigor and Ben registers Blamp as a minion poisoning Tom. He then says later after the day's discussions @ 1:32:32 another niche world which is the monk protecting the FG which was the reality.

@@bguester Yeah I was naive back when I wrote that comment. Edd is a clocktower genius. The best player I've ever seen and I've watched probably 50 of his games at this point. This was the first of his games I'd ever seen. His ability to build worlds and juggle them in his head is second-to-none. I wish I could play a logic based game like him caus I'm basically just a social player.

@@RenewedRS oh I see. The first time I'd seen him play as well was this video. I didnt catch his Vigor world just the FG/ Monk world and was in disbelief he sussed that out on my initial viewing some time ago. I caught the Vigor world view this time round and thought it was worth bringing up. Edd's world building and more importantly his sorting of the various worlds is astounding. It's both a pleasure and a bit frightening to watch. Cheers!

@@RenewedRS As soon as I read your first comment I thought "this must be his first time seeing Edd play" lol I think everyone assumes that until they have to accept the man is the Sherlock of clocktower

Goku vs Superman

no grits line, but "horny for noms" was a wonderful replacement

Yes. Yes it is.

This is the game that Werewolf grew up to be

The Fang Gu situation had nothing to do with trying to stump Edd, that was completely based on player choices and correctly ruling the weird niche interactions that resulted. It wasn't even a Fang Gu game originally. What do you think Ben should have done differently to make it less of a puzzle for Edd?

I think the SnV townsfolk would be too powerful compared to the TB evils, but would be interesting to see

Jack coded one especially for our Discord server.

@@bennburns Cheers man! Looks super useful!

Very surprising given in all the other games I've seen they have been pretty poor and not knowledgeable of the game.

It's odd to me how often people talk down on Elliot given that he has almost a perfect win record on KZfaq

In case of a tie (Mayor no execution win vs Vortox no execution win, for example), good wins over evil.

The saint would still be evil so the evil team would lose

In a Vortox game, a Recluse can never show up as an Outsider or as the Recluse (to a Townsfolk ability), but can show up as anything else. - Ben

The other players have ghost votes, so it's unlikely to be tied one-one-one (if that's what you mean). If it did happen, a tie results in no execution, and the demon gets to kill at night (wins).

Hey Cam, thanks for the question. The server is set up so that only the Storytellers can see who's in all the cottages and visiting each one each night. The players in the cottage don't know what's happening outside of their cottages.

The Virgin can seem like an Outsider at first because they cause the death of a good player, but one of the Virgin's main power lies in their ability to confirm 100% that they are, in fact, the Virgin. In Trouble Brewing, the Virgin's home script, they're also always a good player. This kind of public confirmation of information in BOTC is extremely rare. With a confirmed good player, you have a player that no one has any reason to lie to if they're on the good team. a Ravenkeeper publicly bluffing as the Undertaker, or vice versa, could reveal their true role to the Virgin and enlist their help. The Virgin becomes a kind of secret-keeper, someone everyone on the good team can trust. This is very useful in a lot of games. In BOTC, often the good team will trade lives for information, whilst the evil team trades lives for credibility. The Virgin is just one of the many characters where this principle plays out. - Evin

Yeah Virgin is almost brokenly overpowered, it definitely isn't an outsider.

Because he may as well. Evil had the ability to tie so they had already won

There are several Discord bots that can do the job, Moveer being the most popular. Usually you set up a “Night” category on Discord, populated with a voice channel per player. Make them private so that players can only see the cabin they’re in and can’t see who the ST visits. One command moves players from Town Square to individual cabins, another draws them all back.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, as it's been a while since this game. Could you possibly timestamp it for me so I can take a look? - Ben

@@BloodontheClocktower It would just be in set up i just didnt know if you should show an investigator pit hag if there is a pit hag in play if there was also a vortox in play since it should all be lies

Ah right, it sounds like I showed the Investigator an in-play Minion, but lied about who that Minion was. That's fine, in fact better than fine, and here's why. The good team are inevitably going to learn, probably very early, that a Pit Hag is in play. Good players are gonna start getting switched from night 2 onwards. By showing an in-play Minion as a player who isn't that Minion, I've made it seem like it probably isn't a Vortox game, which will encourage the good team to trust their (incorrect) information. - Ben

@BloodontheClocktower Ah ok I think I understand I just thought you wouldn't be lying if you showed an in play minion but I understand that reasoning myself and get why you'd want to do it so thank you

No

Yes, that's exactly how it works. - Ben

The longer this goes on, the more I want to shake Isaac. Talk! Please!

@@onthesamepaige337 That's how Isaac plays ;)

Casting my mind back to this game, I believe a new Demon was created. If you check out the Pit Hag's ability, when a new Demon is made, deaths that night are arbitrary (selected by the Storyteller). Mechanically, this is usually done to signal to the good team that a new Demon is in play. Figuring out which Demon they're against is a big deal for the good team, but it also offers an opportunity for the evil team to feed them lies and misinformation, particularly about which demon they're up against. - Ben

@@BloodontheClocktower Thank you for your reply. You're correct: the Pit-Hag turned her Vortox into a Fang Gu. So I understand that "death are arbitrary", but I'm surprised that it's considered normal practice to have two kills in that case, just to let the good team think there has been a demon change. I'm not questioning your move, I certainly don't know the game well enough, but I'm surprised.

Vortox

The Vortox causes all Townsfolk abilities to yield false info.

Because at that point both sides knew that not enough good players had used their votes to guarantee a good win so it didn't matter

Because without his vote, it was gonna be a tie, and Adam himself was the only person who could still be nominated. May as well push through the only execution he can. It's correct play.

@@qbreezy2417 dont know if i would call it correct... but it certainly was irrelevant - with evil only needing a tie and 3 evil votes available, there was nothing good could do anymore with what kev said there was no way that isaac was actually the demon, since the whole point was to get kev off the block a minion would be fine with being on the block, because its a win a townsfolk could not mobilize the evil team like this (nor would they have any reason to try this strategy) so kev had to be the demon ergo... there are no more moves to make and they have won, unless one of them falls asleep and doesnt vote (and in that case doing nothing would be correct rather than voting)

Imp + TB minions vs. S&V goodies? Interesting idea.

At that point, because the Vigormortis is no longer in play after that, the Pit-Hag is all the way dead. So it's a big decision for a Vigor-dead Pit-Hag to potentially remove their ability by creating a new demon.

Thank you

Just checked and it seems to be playing fine. I think it might be just you. - Ben

@@BloodontheClocktower Thank you for taking the time to check and get back to me! A complete mystery, as all the other videos work fine. Clearly some KZfaq weirdness, I'll come back to it in future.

@@BloodontheClocktower Yeah, just me, it's working fine now.

Computers. They're basically just sorcery, right? - Ben

I guess everyone can have a good game. Personally always thought they were the weakest player. I mean they aren't around anymore thankfully.

Most Poppinest VVitch?

That's right - if a Virgin is not drunk or poisoned and they nominate themselves, *they* are immediately executed.

Seemed like a lot of history there. But she was justifiably frustrated since she knew he was good but wouldn’t commit.. he was pushing kevkev earlier but she needed his support to put up her hand, since she was first after the nominee

disagree here - as far as it relates to the fortune teller, it is accurate information based on their ability (even if it is not true information about that players role) the red herring correctly registers as the demon to the fortune teller so in a vortox scenario, it would have to yield a no

@@SharienGaming I agree with that. The consensus / ruling seems to be different than what it might have been last year when I wrote that.

@@darbyl3872 yeah to be fair, i only recently started stumbling into clocktower, so this is all pretty fresh for me at this time^^

@@SharienGamingI think the fact that the Fortune Teller's ability reads "There is one good player that registers falsely to you." makes the Vortox's "Good abilities yield false information." have no effect, as the information is still false. If it read something like "There is one good player that registers as the Demon." then I think it should be affected. Alternatively, you could argue that part of their ability immediately becomes false information when two or more good players register falsely.

@@ellysemilton1309 "Each night, choose 2 players: you learn if either is a Demon. There is a good player that registers as a Demon to you." thats the fortune tellers ability from the official clocktower wiki not sure if the physical rulebook has a different wording though i agree with your logic though - both of your conclusions, based on the text of the ability make sense to me

Hey. I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to, as this game was run over two years ago. But I find it hard to imagine that anyone on this channel would have the desire (or power) to remove someone's pronouns. Either way, the official app has pronouns baked into it, so they're always visible. - Ben

@@BloodontheClocktower changing people's nicknames on discord

​@@BloodontheClocktower ive also seen people mess up pronouns multiple times on this channel _while the pronouns were there on the app,_ so it doesn't seem to be doing its job particularly well does it

I'm sorry to hear that you're upset. Again, this game was played two years ago, so I don't know what you're referring to, but I can assure you that pronouns are very important to this channel and this community. - Ben