>Boring Gameplay >Toxic Community >Shit Developers There are no other reasons why people are quitting other than, eventually, the cope losses its flavour

10 year old online only game... Not a single new permanent game mode.. Thats all that needa be said😂😂

im reacting to True reacting to Coco reacting to Slushie....lmao

remember when dowsey was joking about how 1 of the devs said dbd is like playing hockey and they removed his twitch shirts lol

I actually really like these react style videos on DBD content creators opinions on the game and hear your thoughts on them. Hope you do more of them Tru3.

Gonna be 2 years in June or July since I quit dbd. Still one of the best decisions I’ve done lol

Thinking about my mindset change from the beta to now is just surreal. Especially how quickly it went from hide and seek to looping and juking was wild.

We need Otz reacting to Tru reacting to Coco reacting to Slushie

All players will move on eventually on every game. Remember Monto?

Tru is an absolute dbd sage, has been for years and the community has been catching up. I would want something like the suffer system so much more than "how many kills did i get?"

Problem with dbd is that they are trying to make it competitive, which will never work. But the devs dont listen to this, only to what they want to listen to

10:33 This was the last straw for me personally. I bought Chucky and they took away all the fun. Slap in the face as far as I am concerned. They did something similar to all last 3 licensed killers, which I also bought... I'm done with BHVR, I'm done with DBD. All they do is cater to the brand new players. They won't get another penny from me.

This video is actually very good, it gives perspective on the game and the philosophies that the game should follow. There was so much to unpack on this video and me personally, it's always a joy to watch. It's unfortunate we may not get heard for a long time but it's nice to dream.

her saying she misses being able to stun killers while pulling from a locker is crazy

Wall bouncing in gears of war was never intented and now its one of the things the franchise is most known for

Started playing a little bit before Clown released, so like late 2018? When Paragon got shut down DBD became my new main multiplayer game. Played it almost daily till like 2021. Towards the tail end I played less and less and whenever I tried to play it just wasnt fun anymore. I waited for years for the xenomorph, and I was so excited to play but when the xeno dropped I played for like 2 hours and just didnt have a fun time. I had a great run with the game and I still watch many DBD content creators but for me personally the game just doesnt hook me in anymore, pun intended. The longer you play the easier it is to see the many issues with the game, the imbalance on both sides, the bugs, the lack of gameplay variation, the toxicity, it all starts to stack up. I was really hoping that many of the DBD killer games (Texas Chainsaw, VHS, Last Year, etc) would be successful enough to not only be great alternatives to DBD but to force BHVR to make some major improvements to DBD but all those games died. I would like to come back and enjoy the game again one day but I dont know what they could do to bring back that initial enjoyment I had.

Older Dbd had a fun incentive to learn more, it's how the streaming and youtube got so popular, to learn about new skillsets to add to your belt of knowledge, resulting not just in more engagement with streamers teaching others (how i met Tru3 and Coco years back) but also is more excitement and experimentation to see "what else can i learn?? what untapped potential can i learn with Oni or Billy to go across the map" it's win win for everyone, the survivors rarely met that skill level in their games and when they did, they remembered it the most.

Someone needs to do one reacting to your version and then someone else reacting to theirs and so on 😂😂

as long as tru3 and otz are going ill come back like once a year yall the only reason I got the game

The major reason I stopped playing DbD after 7 years is that whether by design or not (probably not), every game wound up being exactly the same. Same perks, same strategies, same killers, same behavior from the player base...all these perks, all these killers, but the game forces you to have the same loadout and use the same handful of killers if you don't want to get completely stressed out or get stomped. I don't play a game to get stressed out or do the exact same thing ad-nauseum, I play games to have fun, and DbD ceased to provide that for me a long time ago.

The salt is real in this game sometimes. This one guy got so upset today at me for running the og basement trapper build w two pink add ons, monstrous shrine, agitation, iron grasp, and deadlock because I got a 4k w it. They told me I was the worst killer they have played in two years and have no skill just because I ran a fun non meta build.

I recently uninstalled the game after playing since August 2020 (when they added crossplay). I have over 900 hours and here is what in the exit survey: Gameplay is exactly the same. It's draining and tedious to remember that you have to mindgame every loop, pallet, jungle gym, and then remember HOW to loop it/perform the mindgame. The fact that your grade doesn't decrease means matches have no consequence, and you've doubled down on this by making it so you can't depip either. The only way you can go is up, so there literally is no consequence to losing a match. You might as well just go afk in matches to decrease your MMR. Which itself is a huge cause of why the game is unfun. Especially after increasing the soft cap back in Oct 2023. Speaking of that time, the Reddit Q&A you did in Oct-Nov '23 just proved that you have no ambition surrounding this game - the mobile version has custom moris, ability to see surv loadouts pre-game, and even prop hunt! But the best you can do for the main game are charm codes for every LGBT flag in existence. Furthermore, you announced player emblems & banners in June '23 during the 7 year anniversary livestream, but didn't add them until the release of Chucky in Nov '23, and on top of that, there was only one available, which you got by buying the Chucky DLC! So in the 5 months between announcement & release, no one took existing PNGs for all the 70+ characters - survivors & killers up to, but not including, the Chucky chapter - and just released them as emblems and banners? Are you serious?

I agree with gen defense perks. They should remove gen defense perks from every killer and add it to a general pool. You then can choose to have different mixes of perks, like beign able to always choose 2 gen defense perks + 4 normal perks. However if you want 3 gen defense perks you can choose up to 2 normal perk and finally if you want 4 gen defense perks you cannot chose a normal perk.

I think this is the first time I've seen other content creators saying essencially the same thing Tru3 has been saying almost ever since release. Foundation problems, MMR problems, stop focusing on content, focus on fixing the base of the game, craving for the game to succeed and not look to give destructive critisism. Some minimal things may differ, but I finally get to see more people acknowledging the same problem with the same solution Tru3 has been "preaching" for so long. Maybe it wasn't all worthless Tru3. The game might change someday. Someone will become a new member of the balance team for DBD in Behaviour and shift the game completely. Someone will become a member of the core developing team and change the game completely. Who knows? It might be one of us. All we have left to do is wait, and try to somehow give a message just like you always have. Cheers m8.

Tru3, you are a natural with the react content! Would love to see more!

Honestly, what we needed was a lot of these OG TOXIC creators having quit a long time ago (not referring to the creators that Tru3 is reacting to). Ochido, the Entitled Elite and all of them, especially the ones that have gone after Tru3 again and again and again. THEY made DBD toxic and had ins with the BHVR Community Managers, which gave them more power/visibility and made everything so backwards. The favoritism to toxic aspects of the game (including streamers) by BHVR has cause so many of the problems. I haven’t played in years and this was one of my most favorite games. A shame. I still keep up through watching Tru3 though

39:20 I feel as if a lot of killers, despite having very strong 1v1s and end chases fast, the gens are still done faster, therefore still lose the game. These killers lack map pressure such as ability to teleport, etc. I feel like it is a bit of a design flaw of some killers because you make their 1v1 too strong and it is ridiculously unfun to go against because you go down fast as a survivor, but if the 1v1 wasnt that strong then the killer would have nothing because they have no map pressure, and a lot of killers still lose the game anyway. This makes playing killer unfun because you are still losing games, despite downing people fast and it also makes the survivors have little fun because they go against some killer with insane anti-loop that can down you very fast. I feel like unknown has been done very well, isnt the strongest killer due to being abled to get rid of weakened, but has both decent 1v1 and a quick teleport to apply pressure on gens so has a very decent kit to both get downs in a chase and get to areas of the map fast and apply pressure on the other survivors doing the objective.

Your reaction to For the people/Buckle up had me in stiches. Its exactly how i reacted

People get tired of playing the same thing eventually. Old players go and new players come.

1:03:07 why we are Tru3 fans. Man is the Guts of DBD. From the Ochido madness, to Scott’s mental health issues, to whatever 99999 other controversies he gets pushed in. I know the world outside DBD. I know that some people will go after other by looks alone and Tru3 does have a face that internet goblins want to cancel. And sure Tru3’s take can miss from time to time. But the main point, “hooks are healthier for the game than kills”, is 1000% the answer, but this goblins in their blind hatred have gone against that and now in their stupidity they are now facing a game were proxy-hooks IS the way to go.

Of course they are catering to new players, old players have already bought all the DLC. They want to sell more copies of the game and DLC.

ngl the beginning of her video had me iffy as it came off as “i can’t bully the killer anymore so i’m not having fun” but i’m glad i continued watching. she had a lot of good points and is not wrong at all about the DBD community. it’s terrible. where DBD matches have fewer people, and each of them having a much larger impact on the outcome, along with a lot of immature people trying to power trip, it leads to a lot of personal attacks. it’s so sad.

Great analysis, True, watched it to the very end 💜

If im not mistaken, noob3 was the first and only dbd streamer that hit 1m followers on his channel. He was insanely big. His editing was great. But he bailed on his channel after the 1m thank you vid. He came back and got a copyright strike and was devastated many of his vids got deleted. He made a vid about it and never came back. KZfaq got strict. Pushed him away. Shame bc he was my first favorite dbd streamer.

hidden mmr is what annoys me the most, with the gigantic amount of people posting the most ridiculous takes based on "every game that I play I manage to ..." completely meaningless statement without knowing mmr

i like seeing true comment and interact more with other content creators after he's had it rough for a few years from people trying to cancel. definitely should try to do more with others such as otz, jrm, hens so on

Back when i played CoD mainly they did the same thing. Always catered to new player experiences and such. Made the game so annoying for vets

As someone who wants to start going in hard on DBD content, I feel like it might be a good place to build a little community but if you want to really grow and go further in streaming or KZfaq you'd probably have to move onto some bigger game or IRL content eventually. I love DBD and would want to see it in a better position of course but I just don't think it's for most people, I've tried to get so many ppl into the game. Just giving my thoughts based off the title not going into deep about the game and its mechanics

13:30 another good example of an unintended gameplay mechanic that actually made the game great was in DMC4. They unintentionally made it so if you started a move and cancelled into another move shortly after, you’d keep the momentum of the previous move and keep going in that direction while doing something else. The community started referring to it as “inertia.” I believe they said it was a glitch in the physics system, which is why it wasn’t in DMC5. It made people very inventive with their combos and playstyles.

Main reasons I stopped playing this game regularly is because if I'm playing as survivor then I get teammates who don't know what gens are. And if I play killer then I get games where the gens fly before I even get into a chase. Then there is the rampant toxicity in the game with the tbagging and shit at every safe pallet. Or the killer slapping me on the hook. The only reason I ever come back to the game now is for the events. Ironically the events help me relax because it gives me something else to work towards. Even if I spend the entire game getting bullied by the survivors I at least finished my event challenge such as breaking a certain number of pallets, getting a certain amount of downs, doing the event objective such as hooking survivors at an event hook or turning in blood droplets at the turn in area. Etc, etc. Having a secondary objective besides just getting kills or escapes is honestly more healthy for the game. In my experience anyway.

The point about anonymous mod is ... welp, really the kind of thing only a survivor main would give. The ONLY reason my steam account is now private, and have been private for years is because of the survivor community of DbD that WILL literally brigade your profile page after a match where you won as a killer. The DbD survivor community is BY FAR the most toxic gaming community I've ever played with, and I played LoL at its peak toxicity.

have to say I agree with her on every point in terms of skill being removed from the game. used to play solo queue. they added the info ui update, the borrowed time base kit. it removed the tense element from the game for me. of course someone is going to just sit on a gen when they can see their team mate is being chased. as a solo player games either became smooth sailing or sweaty. I miss the fun element, not knowing what the killer is doing and having to actually use game sense instead of just looking at the bottom left and seeing i'm safe. I still have love for dbd though. skill is being removed for new players. remove skill but they add banners lol.

I think it's now undeniable that you are 100% correct in the hooks vs kills. A lot of the fun aspects of the game can be fixed immediately by them just changing the objective and the psychological effect SBMM has on players by just simply changing the win condition to the amount of hooks. You will still have tunnelling sure, but more players would be more inclined to spread. I also on another not, think it could be interesting for them to experiment with a mode where no Gen Regression or Progression is available - Gen kicks remove 15% - Gens take 100s to complete - Tool boxes do not effect gen speed, only hooks and possibly maybe to rebuild pallets or walls. I think this could be a very good tell on the balance of the game in order to move it to a more strategic but still fun experience. In regards to the anon mode, the players ive gone against that use it is the S who kills themselves on first hook and sandbags and bms or the killer who bleeds you out for 4 minutes whilst humping because they feel safe and hidden. I think that's what she is referring to. Annon mode is being used by players to just be extra assholes

This game just doesn't appeal to new players at all. Current players have to put up with a game that isn't balanced at all and devs who don't care about the community. Nothing worth grinding for since the game doesn't let you show it off. New players see this game and thinks it looks kinda cool but once they watch a video talking about it they see how bad the state of the game is and they see how the devs monetise the game which is not something modern gamers like at all. This meaning the pay-to-win characters. There are also a ton of pay-to-win characters so they ain't spending money that they could buy a new game with on DLC for a old game. They also sell this game for a price and not free to play while also asking you to get battlepasses and purchase from store I think (it's been a while). The only appeal this game has compared to similar games of it's kind is the killers and survivors taken from movies and that it's on console. There is also SBMM which is the most hated feature you can add to your multiplayer game because players hate that since it goes against ping based connection.

We love u see you play DBD bro! I see you from years ago, please stay! Hi from Mexico! To mucho love

Because it’s pay to win, and toxic, and the shrine sucks, and balance is off, and cheaters

I love these different videos that aren't just gameplay

her missing the burn on wraith is just brutal, it was a freaking nightmare having someone chase you the entire match ti burn you? its stupid, i cant believe her

There are so many good opportunities to make the game kinda fun. Maybe implement a Map Editor for custom community-maps and games. Make permanent fun modes or maybe even a short singleplayer mode (Bots are pretty solid nowadays). Maybe give players cosmetic awards for Prestige 50 and 100, similiar to the bloody Clothing. There are so many things you could do with this game.

that 62% kills Freddy is me , im the only Freddy player lol

DBD just got so fkin boring...i got excited to see the unknown killer but after than man, i just dropped the game again cuz it was too boring.

The reason Eruption went on for so long is but feels short is because it became what it was after Call of Brine with was added and got paired with Overcharge. Only then did it become problematic... So they killed everything.

I agree with the anon mode revealing the name at the end. Personally, I like when I see a TTV in my lobby, especially when it’s one of my favs that I watch constantly. I get excited for the game. Unfortunately many of the “bigger” streamers use anon mode so I’ll never know if I got to play with or against them. Also, it builds community. I like knowing who I played with so I can check out the stream.

Unintended things in games often cN and do make games better bc of the skill it takes. Ex- flip resets in rocket league take 100s of hours to perfect. Moonrushes, v1 techs, hug techs are the same way. They are counterable, take skill to pull off, unintended by the developers, but add a whole new fun dimension to the game.

Wavedashing actually was removed in later smash games because the devs are weird. I guess a better example for a non intended mechanic that became a staple for fighting games would be special cancelling in SF2, which was a glitch purposely left in during development and basically gave birth to combos as we know them today.

DBD is always one of those games i always go back too. Its got a special place in my heart. Been playing since beta.... ive got between xbox and pc 10347 hours played. For whatever reason i went back to it recently! Wish me luck!

I would have been burned out of dbd ages ago if it wasn’t for a rule I implemented for myself. For each survivor I make sure I use at least one of their teachables. This way it introduces variety into my games. I have slowly been playing killer less and less mainly due to the lack of variety because of the need for slow down perks. This is crazy to me cause for thousands of hours I was purely a killer main.

Most of the complains were survivors not be able to counterplay killers that shouldn't be able to be countered (IE the weaker killers). Part of the reason Singularity and Ghost Face feel really bad at times is because survivors counter their power-- and their powers aren't even the strongest in the game. How can you complain about not being about to burn Wraith anymore-- but think Skull Merchant is OP. --- It's fairly obvious, they want the game to be broken FOR THEM. People who play skull merchant a lot of times do it to win. So why is that bad, but cheap interaction of burning Wraith is okay? They want to get free wins based on the side the play.

My biggest issue with slushie's examples was in particular locker flashlight saves. I'm sorry, there isn't a situation where you can say that mechanic was good or healthy for the game. A literal uncounterable situation that was extremely easy to setup and the killer could do absolutely nothing about is as game breaking as literal infinites and I can't get in the mindset of someone who thinks this is a bad thing to remove such a mechanic.

Adding in feint animations would be an interesting Idea for both killers and survivors

I totally agree with the idea of making hooks the method for DBMM. I only see one issue. That issue would be what you count for MMR gain/loss/stagnation when playing. I think that a solution could be that you lose MMR when getting 1-4 hooks. Your MMR stays the same when getting 5-7 hooks. Your MMR would increase when getting 8-12 hooks. This way, you aren't really forced into kill or hook efficiency. I run aura reading builds, and I often get between 7-10 hooks per game on average.

My favorite thing before the mmr as killer was seeing the crazy perk combos of everyone now we see the same 5 or 6 and even same 4 every game it’s why I stopped playing a year ago

The devs make sense in watering down the harder game mechanics because from their perspective bringing in new players is how they grow the game, current players may buy every dlc but that doesn't make the game reach further. This problem is seen across any live service game where the burden of knowledge that is picked up as time goes on separates good and long term players so much from anyone wanting to start playing. it's all about $$$$, you have thousands of hours from one customer where you'd actually like to have 50 customers with fewer hours to drive scales of economy in MMR, game quality etc.

i enjoy the reaction videos

I’m just sick of Behavior being awful at balancing or making changes. They’re is never a minor adjustment to thing it’s usually one extreme that hinders either killer or survivor. These past few updates has ruined the game for me to the point I have zero intentions of ever coming back. I enjoy watching you, Otz, Ayrun and so on play because it’s fun to watch but for me - the game is dead. That can change in the future but for now it’s over for me sadly 😔

I had an idea to rework ds for people who really want it to be an anti tunnel perk, just make the timer pause while running around in chase but turn the timer down to like 30 secs or less. Buffing the ds stun timer is just dumb.

“I don’t know if it’ll be forever… I will be back for chapter releases” 😆

the thing that sucks is that swf exists and is promoted. it should of never been intended to swf. Solo surv is what makes this game great. and now killer is balanced around facing a swf every game, so every game they tunnel, camp, bring insane perks, and ur playing with people with like 500 hrs. its so boring, it should be the best part of the game playing solo, but they balance around fucking knightlight and other comp players who grace solo q with their presence like 2 hours a week. its truly what kills this game.

Should throw twitch chat up on these react vids on YT. Just a suggestion. Cheers

How do people still not understand that Hooks>Kills would be more fun

even if you private your profile and change your name you still have the same steamID that anyone can pull, i think that's the angle for the anon mode arguement. so it would be easier to ban hackers and whatnot (atleast on steam, can't say for the other platforms)

My biggest issue with DBD as a new player is the repetition every game is pretty much the same exact thing survivors fix gens killer hunt survivor rinse and repeat. I haven’t really run into the toxicity that everyone brings up in the community it’s definitely a game that I can see myself playing on occasion but definitely not everyday

I mean the thing is the DBD players r goin up, at least on Steam, the average players went up by 10k in a month, maybe it’s cuz a chapter dropped, but that didn’t happen with Xeno, Chucky, or Alan, so I’m sure they see no issue losing 3 streamers if they gain 10k players on Steam alone

You can still light burn spirit when she's phasing/ about to phase XD

i remember you saying if the game was about kills you can just camp here and you win i remember that, was an older video tho

They have to lower the skill cap because they want to attract new players and when a new player enters a game that is too demanding they just leave because they have nothing invested, and MMR doesn’t matter because people Smurf. You can already see this in a lot of games when your average player is a sweaty dude in a basement with 10k hours your game is dead.

What bugs me about coconut is that he wants exploits to remain in the game and calls it “fun” chaos. Called him out once and he made a video about it.

My Problem with Anonymous Mode is if someone cheats, you cant report a player with steam ID - you can't go on the Steam profile.

Now we have to get Otz to react to this and make his video like 4 hours long lmao

I don't understand why they aren't tracking so much more statistics, time in chase, average time to end chase, chase escape/catch ratio, time spent on gens, and so much more things could be tracked on both killer and survivor, that would impact WHY each killer is performing the way it is and how perks impact these statistics.

Gotta love the reactionceptions

Masahiro Sakurai said that he was aware of wavedashing being within the final build of the game. Regarding smash.

One thing I noticed is that she was saying “this was fun for survivors but they removed it” not once did she think about how annoying all those things are to killer. Isnt that what devs balance around? Annoyingness

well they are thinking about the new players, but if i started playing dbd now I wouldn't probably stuck with it in the first place because every game is the same now.... its sad where the "balancing" is going.

The shittiest option, but the one that would solve the "its hard to balance SWF!" issue forever: Remove SWF from matchmaking. Just solos. SWF in private Kill Your Friends lobbies. Absolutely horrendous option, but it is an option. The less shitty option to fix Matchmaking overall: Until you reach a certain level of Matchmaking, you will have strict matchmaking that finds opponents only at your skill level. Once you breach that point, you can *choose* to turn it off, allowing you to face anyone of any skill level (above that point, with the option off as well). The reason this one is shitty is someone could smurf and just never turn it off, facing new players eternally.

As a console player, its physically impossible to do some of the "high skill" techniques. So for me personally i see it as a good change. But i understand the frustrations. Same for survivor, the movement used to be awful on console. Instead of making it possible to do techniques for both killer and survivor on a controller, they just nerfed it overall. A quick and lazy fix but still, for me personally, better than no fix at all

Scampering under the pallets would’ve been amazingly funnnyy

yea, i miss dbd from 2 years ago. great times.

Damn I didn’t realize how many people quit dbd, I use to watch Dowsey and Monto and I look for them now and they’ve quit. The issue with catering to new players is they’re not guaranteed to keep playing dbd but I guess as long as new players spend money they don’t care about longevity. What a shame, I’d say dead by daylight needs a new team or just a new company that would actually make the game better because the current workers at behavior don’t care at all, it’s all about money which pays the bills. Dead by daylight was never the type of game that should have got a skill based implementation. It ruined the game and the data makes no sense. It’s so many issues with the game that it would take too much time and money to fix at this point. This type of stuff is why people make Smurf accounts because just because you’re good at a game doesn’t mean you’re some type of god tier pro at a game and this sbmm literally means after some time of constantly winning you will get burnt out of going against bully squads and the same people.

I tried to get back into it after 10 months but I fear I will eventually drop it again, the core issues have always existed.

I quit this game like 4 years ago. Seeing where it is now I don’t regret this decision.

Regarding eruption no one used it and once it grew in popularity due to popular streamers, behavior saw it as problematic and nerfed it. Funny though, i used it when it was “trash” but then was seen as problematic 😂

26:27 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉my buddy said . He’s a noob yet wants to play dbd. That a killer match like that was the most tense and crazy match where it left a memory. A good one.

lol, i watched coconut's video first, and after watching true's, I realize how many opinions slushie makes sound incorrect to me where the stuff she wanted to kept in the game, some of them just have no counter play and it's not even hard to do(e.g. light burn wraith ). However, I do understand(or at least feel like) slushie is more venting her feelings , rather than making an bullet proof argument.

I believe in warframe bullet jumping wasn’t intended but then became a major part of the game lol

Fogwhisperers create some of my most watched DBD content but compared to other games i feel just the program existing is already recognition and something special. There are a lot of games that got famous because of streamers but they dont have special treatments for them.

I feel like the invisible walls are just because the map team has nothing to do

When hubris came out people burning me got exposed and was something fun to run will miss 😢

I love cocos discussion videos. he is very smart in his art to express. best huntress boy

I only play active during tome challenges or when new achievements come out. Other than that Diablo 4 season 4 coming, playing planet zoo, deceive inc and other stuff. I just don't feel rewarded for my time in DbD