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5 жыл бұрын

Bringing an old Icom IC-1271 back to operation

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@dennisqwertyuiop
@dennisqwertyuiop 5 жыл бұрын
always look forward to see you on Sat. mornings,,thanks Peter,your the best
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dennis very much appreciated!
@TheRadioShop
@TheRadioShop 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Peter. Those test points are really hard to get at. You had to work for that one! 73
@bblod4896
@bblod4896 5 жыл бұрын
Engineers were drinking too much sake when they designed the alignment procedure for that radio.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Yes it is very annoying to get down to the test point. Thanks for stepping in my friend! 73
@stopnwonow5044
@stopnwonow5044 5 жыл бұрын
Beauty transceiver in hands of a great technician. Congratulations Peter, and thanks for sharing you knowledges.
@80Loke
@80Loke 5 жыл бұрын
Ive learnd very mutch from your videos, thx :) 73
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Really glad to hear that! Thanks 73
@bobkozlarekwa2sqq59
@bobkozlarekwa2sqq59 5 жыл бұрын
You make it look so easy! Great job!
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it may look more easy as one think...Thanks for comment
@adrianchadd
@adrianchadd 4 жыл бұрын
Hi! So I have one of these that badly needed the crystal oscillator realigned. It turns out that there's a 433.03MHz test point you can use without having to pull the board out - I traced the circuit enough and found the resistor/wire coming out of the shielded section with L7 also is 433.03MHz. It's not the right point for the level check, but it's definitely enough to determine if the oscillator is on/off frequency. I compared the signal level at the test point seen before and after calibration and saw it at the same level so I figure I'm no worse than before. And now the output is within a few Hz of 433.03MHz and now the radio is basically dead on frequency. Thanks for this video! It helped me get over my fear of opening my IC-1271A up and now it's properly on the air!
@111111111Tiger
@111111111Tiger 3 жыл бұрын
excellent job, I'm sure the owner was a happy camper
@SuperMeganw
@SuperMeganw 5 жыл бұрын
very good video takes good job from Gary in the UK.
@TKomoski
@TKomoski 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing and see you next time Peter. *Cheers* *_73_*
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Tom 73
@injoelsgarage3934
@injoelsgarage3934 5 жыл бұрын
Peter, thank you for sharing. That thing was a real son of a gun, holey socks man! I wonder if they could have put more shields in that radio? I call that electronic surgery. You absolutely amaze me most of the time Peter. Once again thank you very much. Joel
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
LOL no I really guess more shielding is hardly possible :^) Thanks for watching
@prezillogic9230
@prezillogic9230 3 жыл бұрын
I love all your videos please make more I like to learn from you
@andylaurie326
@andylaurie326 5 жыл бұрын
just a quick shout out to you for these remarkable videos. I've been following your channel for awhile now and am always amazed at your knowledge and expertise.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Andy very much appreciated!
@repairfreak
@repairfreak 5 жыл бұрын
Nice job again 🙂👍
@hectorpascal
@hectorpascal 4 жыл бұрын
Nice job Peter, but what interests me most is WHY those circuits were so far off tune. What is the physical process that makes such large differences appear over time? Is it the result of temperature cycling and bad design?
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
Components age and change value over time. Mechanical vibration and temp swings can cause small shifts in adjustment points. Caps dry out and suffer chemical changes in their electrolyte. Materials used in construction change their electrical properties over time.
@coblecam
@coblecam 5 жыл бұрын
Wow! I would have given up! 73!
@berndb.5097
@berndb.5097 5 жыл бұрын
I still remember my activities at 23cm. If you did not have the right measuring equipment here you were stuck. You are really well stocked. At that time I always worked with transverters and just had to hit the LO frequency exactly. On the input side I had to adjust an exact 28MHz signal. That was no problem with my measuring equipment. The transverter was under the roof 2m below my antenna. I hardly had any coax losses. I really like your Racal Dana frequency counter. I should get that one too. Maybe I'm lucky and find one on ebay or a flea market. 73 Bernd
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Bernd, yes you really need to have a lot of different devices to get the jobs done.. Additional to keep all those devices in spec and calibrated to have them reliable...The Racal counter is really a nice device but be careful buying it on ebay. The early models had very much issues with the front buttons. Many folks had to swap out all buttons as they simply quit working! 73
@berndb.5097
@berndb.5097 5 жыл бұрын
@@TRXLab Thanks for the tip, Peter.
@rohnkd4hct260
@rohnkd4hct260 3 жыл бұрын
Good radio. I have the IC-271 (2M).
@fredshead7114
@fredshead7114 5 жыл бұрын
You must have a headache after that one, what a job to do...must have a lot of patience Peter from Fred in Uk g4vvq.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Yes right for radios like this you need patience as it really takes time to move forward....73
@9h1gb
@9h1gb 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Nice work. I too have one of these rigs and mine has a couple of issues too. I was wondering if you happen to have a soft copy of the Service manual as the copy I have does not have the alignment section on it Thank you for any help
@KJ7XJ
@KJ7XJ 5 жыл бұрын
Another enjoyable video Peter! Thanks!
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Eric!
@OleF112
@OleF112 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video, Peter. I hate this kind of radios, because you have to invest so much time just to to a 2 minute jobby at some small areas. I often find my self thinking " Hm, may i cut the shielding like a thuna can, and solder it back in place after...;-)" What i did was to drill holes beside the nozzle of a vacuum to get to the aligment points, and solders it with new plates. That was a special gov-radio , and i was i a critical hurry... So anyway, i guess the OM was very happy with your work. So am I! 73 de Olaf
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah that is the point too much time only for preparing a single step of alignment. I was thinking about the idea drilling a hole but I was a bit concerned about drill cuttings. 73
@alancordwell9759
@alancordwell9759 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice job Peter, you are a brave man!!
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you Alan!
@MicheIIePucca
@MicheIIePucca 5 жыл бұрын
I love how you say "Z" like us Canadians (ie: zed) :)
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
oh really did not recognized that ...Thanks
@MrSuperheterodyne
@MrSuperheterodyne 4 жыл бұрын
And in UK too. 👍
@chrisj0
@chrisj0 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Peter, I have a question; why did you used two different frequency counters towards the end for the alignment procedure? As always, I really enjoyed the video. Thanks!
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, that is a kind of convenient as I can observe the transmitter frequency while I'm aligning one of the oscillators... Thanks for watching
@michaelm1keyhardy865
@michaelm1keyhardy865 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant but im not technically minded but very intrested to watch you work the problem out.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you glad that you liked it
@MAURICIOFALCAOPY5MZ
@MAURICIOFALCAOPY5MZ 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Job Peter!! Congratulations from Brazil . 73 PY5MM
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Mauricio, glad to see you and thanks for watching 73
@bblod4896
@bblod4896 5 жыл бұрын
Seems this radio was designed not to be aligned. Do you think each module was aligned on a jig then the radio was assembled? Thanks for the video.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Yes most likely on a jig as as it can't be aligned during production..
@waynethompson8416
@waynethompson8416 5 жыл бұрын
Wow!!! What an education you just gave me! I had always thought that the frequency display on a transceiver showed the "exact" frequency because it was a form of Frequency Counter. Now I know better. Since it isn't measuring the exact frequency, what is it displaying? Is it just counting turns of the dial or something? I guess unless you have a way to put a frequency counter in line with the SO239 going to the antenna, you can't actually know what frequency you are transmitting on. Does the lack of accuracy of the display also apply to the receive frequency?
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
On a few older radios, the display was a frequency counter. But in PLL radios, the display is something the cpu puts up to correspond to the settings it is sending to the dividers in the PLL circuit to result in the desired frequency. But for this to be accurate, all of the local oscillators have to be on frequency. Think of it like the speedometer in your car. It simply measures the revolutions of the tires, but unless the tires are the right size and properly inflated, it won’t be accurate. The same PLL circuits are used to set frequency for both receive and transmit, so yes it affects both. Even a frequency counter is only accurate if its timebase is adjusted to the right frequency.
@kjellsvendsen6739
@kjellsvendsen6739 4 жыл бұрын
After been off air for abt 20 years I then just now found my IC751 having a 100 of bad issues, and hell, I really do wish I'd had the skill to fix it, but no - No go. So sad
@thom3124
@thom3124 5 жыл бұрын
" No user serviceable parts inside." Icom's are always a pain to work on. I wonder also if this is one of those radios that has the operating system on VOLATILE ram.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
LOL yeah no user serviceable parts inside....There is a new RAM board installed but I did not look deeper into that.
@hansbertram5435
@hansbertram5435 9 ай бұрын
Dear Trx- Bench, I bought this Transceiver for 200€, but the Transmitter has no out- put power and I have no idea, what the reason is, driver or endstage😂 I have only a spectrum analyzer dsa 850 from Rigol and changed the endstage, but no good result.😢
@zinkzoyd
@zinkzoyd 5 жыл бұрын
Nice job peter, Good counters those old racal dana's, I have the 1991 model
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Buik! Yes Racal Dana was a good company so sad that they quit...
@zinkzoyd
@zinkzoyd 5 жыл бұрын
English company peter that made laboratory test gear and equipment for the ministry of defence far as i know,@@TRXLab
@organiccold
@organiccold 5 жыл бұрын
That radio looks new inside. 73 From M0IVC - CT9ABQ
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
yes still a nice radio 73
@michaelcornet506
@michaelcornet506 5 жыл бұрын
I like the speed the videos are coming, watching now an nice welcome this morning with an cup coffee. Thanks Peter. Ps. What kind of cable you use, they are nice flexible?!
@ethanpoole3443
@ethanpoole3443 5 жыл бұрын
Typically your foam (as opposed to solid) dialectic coax with stranded copper center conductor will be quite flexible. By comparison, solid dielectric and/or solid center conductor will be quite stiff and rigid.
@80Loke
@80Loke 5 жыл бұрын
I think hes using ecoflex on that yellow cable
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael! The coax was bought as high flexible lab cable but it is a long time ago and I don't know what the type is. It is Belden but can't remember the type...
@michaelcornet506
@michaelcornet506 5 жыл бұрын
@@TRXLabOk, is it triaxial cable? thx in advance
@robertcalkjr.8325
@robertcalkjr.8325 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter!
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Always good to see you Robert! Thank you
@TomaszBorowskiTOM124q
@TomaszBorowskiTOM124q 5 жыл бұрын
what's about SSB, I had an issue, FM was perfect but SSB gave a harsh modulation.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Valid question but as I said I did not show the whole process as we already have a video online where we go through all single steps. SSB is tested fine.
@gigicraioveanu1309
@gigicraioveanu1309 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Peter I saw you are doing very good job in fixing Icoms, I need also a repair job for mine, can I ask you for your help?Thank you. 73 Gigi YO7NE
@dennisbauer3315
@dennisbauer3315 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry TRX Bench, thought I may catch you here on another matter, do you think you could look into the 49:1 transformer, please, I am confident of any suggestions you could make or show, if you had the time. Other wise ignore, understood, thank you. Dennis, VK4JDJ
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Time is short to do all I want...
@mrbambix
@mrbambix 5 жыл бұрын
oh dear what a nightmare Peter, great video though !
@lyntonprescott3412
@lyntonprescott3412 5 жыл бұрын
It was easier to get into an enigma machine lol 73
@chrisj0
@chrisj0 5 жыл бұрын
lol, is that joke still funny if the video's author is German? ;-)
@lyntonprescott3412
@lyntonprescott3412 5 жыл бұрын
Well Peter liked the comment!
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Guys to be honest I do't even know what you are talking about??
@lyntonprescott3412
@lyntonprescott3412 5 жыл бұрын
Peter try a You tube search for The Enigma machine and I am sure you will know the device used for coding messages. Lynton.
@educatedmanholecoverbyrich8890
@educatedmanholecoverbyrich8890 4 жыл бұрын
Peter: Is this radio a little deaf?
@Daveyk021
@Daveyk021 5 жыл бұрын
Considering the frequency, 1.xx GHz, was it worth all that for 5KHz? They user can just the dial a little to optimize reception or be on frequency? P.S. - You have a great voice and accent. I used to work for Krautkramer Branson, back in the day, and I miss the accent in our meetings and the three training visits I had to Cologne, Germany.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
5 khz is far too much for SSB operation. only 30Hz can be heard and more than 200Hz and you won't find your sked partner on the band...
@happymark1805
@happymark1805 5 жыл бұрын
the SMDU is only 1050MHz max not 1296MHz so the power measurement could be not correct.
@berndb.5097
@berndb.5097 5 жыл бұрын
Hey, this is a Rohde & Schwarz device. This company writes often less on the nameplates than the device itself can afford. I think the measurement of the power was accurate enough ;-)
@happymark1805
@happymark1805 5 жыл бұрын
I have a bird but when I go outside the freq range I get wrong measurements and this is more than 25% higher than its build for
@berndb.5097
@berndb.5097 5 жыл бұрын
@@happymark1805 Compare it. Do you see any differences between the SMDU Z1 and your BIRD wattmeter? The used RF rectifier diode determines the cutoff frequency of your measuring device. If you put the appropriate "slug" in your BIRD it would work too. In the SMDUU Z1 a corresponding component is installed. There is definitely a small measurement error. Rhode & Schwarz therefore guarantees only 1050 MHz to be in their specified tolerances. I'm not worried about that. The measurement error is certainly well below 5%.
@happymark1805
@happymark1805 5 жыл бұрын
every measurement outside the specs is deemed not correct, that goes for every instrument especialy if you are 25% over the max freq intended so there is no way to tell if it is off by 10%(full scale) or even more, since it measures 9Watt it could be 10Watt if the correct meter was used, use the equiptment for its intended purpose or you get measurements that are worthless.
@berndb.5097
@berndb.5097 5 жыл бұрын
@@happymark1805 Maybe Peter should not have done the video. Because he does not have the right device to measure power at 1296 MHz. Maybe he should have cut out the part with the power measurement. Then nobody would have been upset about that ;-) ;-)
@ojjenkins7110
@ojjenkins7110 5 жыл бұрын
All mode??? Wo ist AM??? :-) Well SSB is really a vastly over modulated carrier without one sideband haha. I wonder how the factory had the allignments set up as they went down the assembly line? Danke sehr Peter.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
LOL yeah AM is stolen haha. I believe they did the alignment on a jig and send it then to the assembly line. Thanks for comment OJ!
@ojjenkins7110
@ojjenkins7110 5 жыл бұрын
@@TRXLab You bet Peter, love your videos. I had Obershule Deutsch and have forgotten a lot :-) That was back in 1966 to 68 :-)
@pietroplastina2786
@pietroplastina2786 5 жыл бұрын
You must of invested a lot of money in your test equipment. Is it worthwhile financially to keep it up or repair your equipment you get. Is it even worthwhile to put it on you tube. Sorry I dont want to be nosy. Even so I am not into TRANSMITTERS and receivers. Good luck. And best wishes. GOD BLESS. You must have a lot of passion in this field like I do in my electronics field.
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
you do what you love
@w.rustylane5650
@w.rustylane5650 Жыл бұрын
I cannot understand why anyone wants to communicate on such a high frequency. The radio waves go what, 500 feet? Just not my cup of tea. Way too much shielding for those high frequencies. I don't even make contacts on 70 centimeters. 2 meters is about as high as I go. There's just too much power lost in the higher frequencies. I even use 213 coax on my 2 meter radio. Cheers & 73 from W Rusty Lane K9POW in eastern Tennessee
@FlexxVision
@FlexxVision 5 жыл бұрын
U like Icom service nightmare ? Good think needs time ^^
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
I would be bored without ICOM. Thanks for stepping in
@psionl0
@psionl0 5 жыл бұрын
WOW What a horrid design. It must cost more to align this set than to recondition any other set. ;)
@TRXLab
@TRXLab 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah that is true to much labour...
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