The crazy part it might become a prophecy...

We have a serious problem regardless what tampa does from here on out.

@@Granitetron It will be even more fun next off season when Campbell's and Reilly's contracts runs out...

I hope there is a book that comes out eventually of the Shanahan era from 2014 to 2022. It feels like Dubas screwed up this team by: - Overpaying Matthews, Nylander, and Matthews by at least five million. - Let the core three above pick their contract. - Over values his own players such as Engivall. - Picks Sparks as the backup. - Trades grit (marchment) for soft players like Maglin. - Boxed the team in by refusing to budge on trading one of the core. Dubas was a mistake. Should have kept Lou to deal with the three Core players. Hunter was the architect by drafting a lot of the good players. I will finish with this: The Leafs were an up-and-coming team in 2017. Young, speedy, skilled forwards with some grit. Look at us four years later. Dubas should be fired and will be next year if they don't win a round.

@@murray1978 Well, not disagreeing with that. Just in agreement that Dubas was a mistake. Should had kept Lou, he was a proven winner.

Andrada Music thank you sir!

It's pretty sad. As a Leaf fan you just get use to getting kicked in the junk like this.

even worse, they got knocked out by a team that got destroyed the next round lol

Burn

Lol I’m the 67th like, familiar number but can’t remember from where

It’s sad but true and to add insult to injury the lightning could win a third before the leafs get past the first round

@@wingsfan3124 they’re in tough now vs New York but it actually could still happen.

Even more true now

That's not the point of moneyball. Oakland wouldn't pony up the cash to keep good players so management had to get creative. 100% of the time the team would rather all stars.

Being capped out on replaceable players if when you get into trouble. Leafs are paying their stars.

@Bryan Halstead Actually funny I saw this comment, today I searched up MLB in debate thinking they didnt have one, they do but teams that go over it get charged a luxury tax which comes back into the league. SO in a weird way the Yankees keep teams like the A's alive. Not completely, but a little bit. They just have so much money making it news would be laugh at.

@@DaraLazy Yeah, but they're paying them too much. That's the point here.

High end talent isn't very mobile in the NHL you have to draft it yourself, and then sign it without blowing up your salary cap so you can add UFAs and pay more young players.

Exactly 100% everyone of those 3 knew they were getting more when JT signed for 11

Yeah the Toronto media talks up their players as if they’re all the next coming of Gretzky and then seem perplexed that the players in this market believe their market value is at an elite level. It’s literally at the stage where Nylander is costing more than Point due to this type of hyperbole ffs.

@Jagermaister they weren't gonna take less.

@@barstar888 lol I love looking back kn these types of comments cause they are soooooo wrong 😂

@@euginate1344 you have to believe that to sleep at night.

Ace The idiot named Dubas

Nylanders contract is fair, thats not the issue here.

Nifty Willy lol fair good one

@@joshhainer9463 Toews would like a word

buddy toronto has been forced to overpay guys for far, far longer than you seem to think lol

I like this point because it goes back to the excuse of “Toronto is a tough place to play because of the fans and the media” If they ask for so much money and fuck the cap by underperforming then how can you argue against saying they deserve to be scrutinized for being greedy in a rich market In the end of the day we need a soft cap I don’t care about these small markets

Haha, nice one Robert. If I was babs I'd read them this comment on October 2nd.

@@teashdrinks714 what does a rich market have to do with this? I honestly read your comment 5 times and I feel dumb lol if they were in a crappie market and didn't preform to what they were expected/paid to do, they shouldn't be harshly criticized?

@@teashdrinks714 So you only want the big city teams to be allowed to spend money and the small market teams to just f--- off then, is that it??

Well put from a habs fan I feel bad for Toronto and I was born there grew up with them...

But they made no changes to the team from the team that could not beat Boston except made their defense worse and they have no cap to fix it.... Unless some rookie defenseman turns out to be the next burns or Karlsson I think they are screwed

They have 5/6 years now to figure it out with their core. Time to develop some more D and let the kids grow. These commentators are a joke.

Luke Jaffray really? Burns or karlsson? And those guys have won how many cups?? And how has the leafs D possibly gotten worse? Clearly you don’t know anything about the leafs or you’re just a troll

@@dothechickenshavelargetalons69 | michaels right...their defense is worse and Babcock blows. You'll see.

too bad habs are going to win it all this year

pulzod they should have not signed Tavares tbh

Leo Wong except Dubai’s made the most cardinal of sins you can make as a gm, he promised Nylander that he wouldn’t be traded. And now everyone knows it

@@nomads9739 OK then they shouldn't have signed Nylander or Tavares OR drafted Matthews & Marner, they should've gotten rid of EVERY player that's there now Lol. How 'bout the Leafs just DISMANTLE the team and start over AGAIN and do ANOTHER rebuild, because that's all that Leaf fans ever have experienced the past half-century...rebuilding. NEVER winning.

@@ckendall67 part of building contenders is being able to afford everyone, including depth players to help you out. They paid Nylander, Matthews, and Marner fair market value and now do not have defensive and bottom 6 depth. There's a reason why teams like Carolina, Columbus, Boston, and St. Louis have had strong playoffs despite not having the same superstardom that Toronto has upfront. Tying up $11m into JT handicapped them with these signings. Unless they shed one of these contracts next year, they will not be able to re-sign Barrie who is on one of the best deals in the league. It's looking like this may be a one year window instead of 5+

@DeSTRoYeR992 I hope this isn't a double tap. There were some good trades out there for Nylander and he was horrible in the playoffs the year before. I really wanted them to dump him because I knew the other contracts would be trouble. Now we can just wait and hope. I''m concerned the League will suspend Matthews. If they decided to view his disorderly conduct as a sexual assault he could be sitting for months.

Annnnnnnnnd now I can't see anything but that bloody broken trim...

Who? Are they Marner?

They do and they did take fairly team happy deals and to get them to do that is good on Dubas but because of the 3 around them at the top of the heap in 34/16/88 those are the 3 that are always going to get the hardest look and most scrutiny and they certainly did not do the team any favors in the deals they took

Bhaw1 top rfa’s

@@SlapHappyGreen if you honestly think 88 has a bad contract then I can't take any of your opinions seriously.

Bhaw1 Who the fuck are they??? Actual line mates???? And depth???

Derek Walter I’m a Jets fan and that’s exactly what I’m saying

Did they overpay those guys, or are they willing to let them sit?

Derek Walter Well if they get 10 million than... well...... idk tried defending Toronto...

Exactly... They haven't signed so they are the only team so far...

Jessie yeah you’re probably right

And Jonas picked Marner over Point for "game breaking ability" what a F'n joke guys like that are. O-dog has always been right

Not only is he green but he is in far over his head.

I too think he's overpaid. I see him as a 40-40 player which in my mind is worth around 9.5 per on a six year deal. Tavares is the only player they have right now that deserves his current contract. He's been in the league long enough and been consistent enough that we all know he's one of the best finishers in the league and a solid all around player.

Tavares is a 66 point guy since when? He's consistently been just under a pt/game since entering the league (0.94 pts/game) and averages 77.08 pts/game (82 games x 0.94 = average pts/season). Lol out of 10 seasons he's actually gotten over 66 pts 6 times, and the four times he didn't: - 1 year was his rookie year - 1 year was the lockout where he put up 47 pts in 48 games - His 66 pt year (which you claim is his average) was in in 59 games (LOL) - His other 66 pt year was in 77 games (still very good and well above your stat). So he's a 77 pt guy, right? Do your research man. You can't just throw numbers out there and make bold statements when they don't hold up. The fact is Tavares would have got 12+ on the open market and actually took a hometown discount to come to the Leafs. Yeah, they're still paying quite a bit but he's been a legit top 10 centre for most of his career and plays a great defensive game WHILE still being 77 pts/season, no, not 66. No one thinks he's Crosby and certainly not McDavid, but McDavid got 12 AND that's with a cut, and Crosby actually signed for a higher cap% at the time but the climate has changed since then. All of this can be simply explained if you decided to be open minded and not just regurgitate what the media tells you. Thanks, that's the end of my Ted Talk.

Where I legitimately think they fucked up was giving Matthews the money but also only 5 years. That contract will come back to bite them in the ass I think, but if they can win a cup within that time then none of this will matter and I think that's what they're banking on. Matthews should have got 11.5 but they should have got that with 7-8 years, not 5. Dubas basically handed him a blank check. That's also what made Marner hold out for what he thinks he's worth. Tavares is far from the problem considering he signed for 7 years also. Nylander if he has a great year will make his contract look really good imo and it will also be tradable. Marner is at least on 6 years but they didn't paid a lot to keep him happy. All in all they're clearly going all in and if they can win now then all of these opinions about them signing bad contracts become irrelevant.

@@PaulyCrupi He's talking about Matthew's, not Tavares

@@WilliamStewart1 That just makes his point even more stupid. Matthews has 205 pts in 212 games which is 0.96 pts/game. Just don't understand why people have to exaggerate things to prove a point that is already a reach. Matthews has literally hit 69 pts in his rookie year, then 63 (in 62 games), then 73 in 68 last year and I can guarantee he'll probably be above a pt/game this year and probably for a while. Either way, dumb point to make. They weren't even making the playoffs before they signed Matthews. Use some critical thinking guys.

And NOW IN JANUARY 2024, still haven’t won anything and are flirting with not making the playoffs !!!…

RyGuy 65 We are all sick of it

I used to live that they only covered toronto...now I'd give anything for a story on anyone else please

It's a local radio show about the Leafs. What did you expect?

Lol

RyGuy 65 this is a Toronto based show lol. And they have the most fans in the league. Are you guys that dumb? I don't go to a Montreal based show and complain they talk too much about the Habs lol

Bee Movie I'll remember this

@@Midiriii also come back to it when babcock is fired in 40 games

@@NiceBoyAdam What are you going to get us if he is fired in 40 games?

@@TheNightmareFish nothing I just wanna be reminded of me accuracy

@@NiceBoyAdam Pfft... I'll see you in June

So they will sit

@Pistol Pete Calling me a dumb ass yet you missed the sarcasm. Typical.

dubas shouldnt have caved on marner

Marner wanted 3yrs like all these guys that are going to fleece their teams in 3yrs , Dubas got 6yrs , he paid alot but they can afford it and those 3 yrs are important to have locked up

He goes down like a cheap hooker.

If you watched Marner play this summer and the way he dominated... he was worth his money... Marner signed for longer terms... points contract in 3 years will put him at 9-11 million and marners will look like a steal! And I compare point to nylander a lot more than Marner... every year contracts get pushed... soon your going to see a 15m/y player

@@cjmllvv Dude Marner earned is contract. 90 points last season and only getting better.

Huuuuge difference.

yes but also they are living in Canada on US money,not to shabby

@Kai Wong where have you been ? Do you really think that the players pay for their apartments,no,no it's the leafs,and do you think they pay more for food than normal working people,no,no,and when on the road ,do you think they pay for travelling and rooms and meals,no,no

I can't speak for the country Dubai, but I don't think the Leafs GM, Dubas has a long range plan.

@@dallasmr73 so after i correct the spell check error you will give a more insightful response to why the leafs are in cap hell? According to these analysts we were already in cap hell when they signed the nylander contract. And what are we going to do with marleau? We quickly forget how the front office has made magic happen with the cap, and if it does not work out, Any fool will take any of these players at an amazing price seeing ALOT of (their) contract will already be paid out. Yes or no?

@@adamcarbone3576 if the leafs trade any of these guys, they get fleeced and retain salary. Ride or die.

You make it seem easy to move a guy making 10.8-11.2 a season

@@adamcarbone3576 Doubtful, if it wasn't for spell checking these guys would have nothing to add.

@@teamrogers1047 so any team that trades for say, marner in 2 years.. they pay him 10.8-11mill? Maybe im wrong. But if the leafs pay his bonus out at the beginning of the year does the team only have to pay the base salary of what? 700k? The team takes the cap hit. Not the total amount of the salary. The leafs more than likely wont have to take on anything with a deal like that especially after they pay the bonus thats due each july 1st. Look, im not exactly thrilled with the leafs cap situation. But im really hoping the cap goes up, at least 5 mill. Ive already seen dubas work some crazy magic with the cap.

Eichel signed for 8 years at 10m with very little of it in signing bonuses. That is a fair contract for an elite young #1 center. Panarin was a UFA who has put up a point per game in his career..

Yeah, Eichel also left $ on the table for sabres when he signed. 10 mil over 8 years for a #1 center who is the face of the franchise is more than fair.

Yeah you're right it's should be in the Leafs favour number one it's the biggest hockey Market ever the amount of money you can make on endorsement deals Rivals mcdavid's contract plus you don't have to pay all that yucky escrow number to their paid in USD living in Canada so their dollar goes further

Brandon Botham he said it in this video. These players get paid in America, living in Canada. The American dollar is worth more than Canadian dollar so the state tax thing isn’t even valid

However the problem is the Leafs and the media don't acknowledge this also another win for the Leafs is they can pay almost all of your contract up front which players like

Taxes aside, marner will get payed in USD. Which is around 14 million Canadian

@@poopcrust3400 and then don't forget all that endorsement money he can get playing in the hockey capital of the world

@@jonz8482 You hope the Leafs NEVER win anything for the remainder of the existence, we get it. As long as the Leafs keep losing EVERY year, everyone will be happy, right??

ckendall67 no that’s Boston. People may hate the leafs, but you’ll NEVER be hated more than those mothaphuckers

the players are also being paid American dollars in Canada though. That definitely makes up some of that money.

Dubas doesn't have the balls...

@Ash Moe just let him sit and set the tone for the other negotiations.

@@kelliemoon2796 that's what it looks like

Crash Test Hockey helps they live in a no tax state while Toronto’s is about 50%

Kai Wong true and one still must be culpable either way. These players also get paid in American dollars living in Canada with an amazing exchange rate amongst other things. Between Nylander, Matthews, and Marner he could have saved arguably between 3.5-5.5 millions dollars. That’s another solid depth defence man for instance. The training wheels are off. Time to play hardball like his peers in Colorado, Boston etc etc

@@adrianomasta7189 oh good someone else gets it.... Canada's weather sucks, their tax rate sucks and their markets are brutal on players.....who wants to play there?

Yeah, TSN is a joke

They're not signed yet cuz their respective GM's aren't spineless like Dubas

He is actually thirty something but yeah he looks as young as the players

Aha brilliant comment mate up the bolts

Austin Knops pretty sure some of the players are older then him

Calm your nut, lefty.

jake alan and?

they're not even going to get to the first round without proper cap space to sign decent defencemen and a backup goalie lmaooo

Only idiots think Nylander is overpaid.

Enjoy watching your team explode next summer.

@Kai Wong your uninformed, or weak minded, or just plain ignorant. Kadri didn't cost the Leafs 2 playoff series. 1) Its a team game. 2)those games the refs were the wannabe stars on ice. 3)year 1... Marchand lick face 4)year 2... DeBrusk elbow gate. 5)Kadri has more grit and sand paper than 99% of the Leafs combined. 6) final point... How is Colorado doing this year?

It wasn’t lol

The cap is parity on what the team can pay. It isn’t the NHL’s job to subsidize local and national governments. I agree that the tax issue is anything but “garbage” though. Basically saying “math is not a thing.”

Dude, he's won one cup in 10 years in the league. I think it's a bit early to say that he 'wins you cups'.

:/

Overpaid Toronto vs underpaid Boston

luap b Matthews didn’t deserve that 11.634 million contract. Way overpaid. He didn’t deserve a cent over 9-9.5 million since Matthews isn’t even top 5 in NHL or hasn’t won anything. He couldn’t even get the Leafs passed round 1 playoffs. Win first then get paid NOT other way around

That is just Funny! nice job

Matthews was greedy as hell like all the Young Leafs should took Tavares money or give the 8 year term

A 73 point player in 68 games tho not 82 he is easily a 90 point possibly 100 on a good year player, good thing with Matthews he is the goalscorer aswell, imo you can have the same points but if someone gives me 50 goals and 40 assists i would take that over 25 goals 65 assists anyday of the week. Matthews will rack up richard trophies in a few years after Ovie, i have more faith in him keeping going over Laine in terms of the future. But yes he should have taken less for the team or give the full 8 years it is only way i think it would be a good deal

Daniel Clapp. Who are you referring to as scoring 65 assists and 25 goals? All the leaf players are over rated and over paid. Point outperformed all of them. He is also a better defensive forward. Matthews was a -9 last year. Matthews better than Point, maybe, maybe not. But he isn’t 5 million better. Point had 41 goals last year by the way.

EVEN THEN i tried to sign Marner in nhl 19, had a similar season and i got him for 9.5m per year Dubas is on crack XD

Nylander is in an excellent contract? In a few years it’ll be a steal.

Just a Mountainbiker In time for Reilly and Andersen to get paid? If the cap or asking price of new contracts for them needs to be taken from another player contract would you rather Nylander at a steal and lose one or both of the others or lose Nylander? I don’t care if it will be a steal. That’s not even what I’m talking about. I’m talking about how Dubas could keep his promise and still move out Nylander if he wanted.

Manifested Logic kapenen and johnsson could score 10 goals next year. They really ain’t top 6 forwards. Dubas got bent over by Matthews, marner, nylander camps

@@poopcrust3400 Kapanen and Johnsson could score 30 goals this year. They really are top 6 forwards. Nylander could get 70~80 pts. That 7M is gonna look like a bargain compared to the Kevin Hayes, Keller contracts.

@@gordonbgraham alot of could and maybe's, not much substance there

Goalie Dad 33 So, pretty much the same as the guy who wrote Kapanen and Johnsson could score 10 goals. Not much substance there...I agree

Gordon Graham Gordon, don't bother. He has no idea what he's talking about LOL. I will buy you leaf tickets if they both score under ten goals lol

All teams are so close in talent these days that anyone can win

Considering the Leafs (#3 seed) were up 3-2 in the finals vs Boston (#2 seed). Sure they lost in 7, but Boston won the east and went all the way to game 7 of the cup final. So I would say they really weren't far off from being championship caliber. That being said you aren't wrong about them not passing the first round in a long time. But to say they have no chance of winning the cup with their current roster, I would say you must have them confused with the Florida Panthers. Stick to basketball black mamba.

No way point gets paid anywhere close to Mcdavid

Funny thing is Point would need to sign for 13 million to even get even with Marner lmao. If Point signed for 13 million over 3 years in his next contract he would have still earnt less than Marner over these 6 years and we all know Tampa do not get bent over the table over contracts so Point will not even get 12 million so Point is on a much better contracts

Tavares was an proven elite UFA center. He could have made more money elsewhere. Every team in the NHL that had the cap space is picking him up for $11m without giving up noone on their rosters. The Tavares deal has little to nothing to do with the contract negotiations of the Leafs 3 RFAs. UFA vs RFA, big difference..

@@K20EF8 Yes he would have gotten more money elsewhere but thats the price the Leafs paid. UFA and RFA of course are different but the psychology is the same. Marner's and Matthew's agents use that. "our client gives same production and is the future of the franchise so we wont take less than 10 because you gave Tavares 10"

@Ash Moe I'm talking take home money here. So Marner is roughly 65 million for 6 years Point is 20 million for 3 years. A contract in Florida , I'm not a tax expert but I've been told, is like signing for 20% more. So to compare apples to apples Point signed for 24 million. Since his 3rd year is at 9 million he has to be offered at least 9 million in year 4. Really though if his performance stays the same and the cap goes up he will get awarded or signed to a contract that pays at least 10, 12 and say 12 in year 4, 5 and 6. That's 34 million plus the 20%, 6.8 million. So he is pretty well assured 64.8 million over the 6 years. 24 + 40.8. The leafs given their cap problem over the next 3 years opted for cost certainty while Tampa needed cap flexibility. Two teams with 2 different needs. Really rough numbers but I believe the contracts are similar. Kucherov take home is like he signed for 11.4 million.

@@peterspence4268 Yes and the other day one of these shows said stop with the tax talk the Leafs get there money in US dollar so it is not much atall they aint gonna pay there tax in US are they so i think it was this show that said it stop with the taxes stuff. It is minimal at best and then lets not forget the other moeny these leafs will get being in Toronto. Matthews Tavares and Marner probably will make about a quarter plus of there yearly salary i bet in advertisement maybe even more.

Still aging horribly lol

How can you when ppl know the negative impact it's going to have on the team?

Bwaka 67 you like Trudeau for his character? That’s a first. Do you also wear brown face?

This didn’t age well.

Yep, they've got a problem. Still can't get out of the first round, losing to Tampa this year as they go for the 3-peat.

And they might have 3 cups at that point.