How Wizzrobe converts defensive play into huge punishes

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How Wizzrobe converts defensive play into huge punishes

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5 жыл бұрын

In this episode of Frame Data, we’ll be taking a look at the Grand Finals set between Wizzrobe and Hungrybox at OpTic Arena. This set showcases how Wizzrobe can take on a seemingly defensive Falcon playstyle to convert small openings into huge punishes.
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@TheReads 5 жыл бұрын

such a good video

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Happy you enjoyed

@leaffinite2001 4 жыл бұрын

I love hbox's reaction to the insta turn up air

@diaperboysunshine 5 жыл бұрын

this was super well done and high quality for such a small channel. great job, content like this is exactly what players need

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Hopefully we can continue to see growth in the channel - I really appreciate the support!

@snocoldman 5 жыл бұрын

Please please please continue this series. This is some of the best melee content I've seen to date.

@katsukikubota7549 5 жыл бұрын

Holy shit. I'm so bad at this game.

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

You and me both brother

@irishjet2687 3 жыл бұрын

@@turndownforwalt Those who can't do, teach. And those who can't do either watch KZfaq. I think I need to watch this again. 1/120th of a second?! How is that humanly possible?!

@mrpinguimninja 3 жыл бұрын

Hbox laughing when Wizzy upaired into pivot upair cracked me up. Say what you want about Hbox, but he often acknowledges when his opponent made a sick conversion. I laughed so hard when N0ne jablocked him or when Hax beat him in Genesis

@keylimecookies 4 жыл бұрын

Hungrybox pops off when he gets combod

@xSolBadguy 5 жыл бұрын

Daaaamn, that production quality. Loved the use of the character models.

@MiserableLemon 5 жыл бұрын

People like you are the reason I love this game so much. Yeah I enjoy playing and watching but when people have dedication, and enjoy breaking down a 30 second clip into a 10 minute video demonstrating the complexity puts a smile on my face.. Keep doing videos like this, they’re the best thing ever.

@Metroyeti17 5 жыл бұрын

I think that famous "What is this movement Ice?" moment might be cool to look into for one of these. Could be wrong, but that's just the first thought that comes to mind. Love your stuff my man.

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Good suggestion! I'll take a look at that set again, but I appreciate the love dude!

@Krusenik 5 жыл бұрын

to add on to the smash turn upair after the first reverse upair: if he just wanted to land one more hit after the first upair he could do a lot of easier options(ie. reverse upair-->ftilt). but doing the smash turn upair allows him to potentially go even further with another upair, or maybe knee if hbox di'd the 2nd upair in a way that allowed for it.

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Great insight! It really was a crazy well-executed sequence.

@thelurkingpanda3605 5 жыл бұрын

hbox looks like he was having a blast appreciating all what you mentioned in this video in real time

@simoncheung4154 5 жыл бұрын

So much information to absorb in this video! Love Frame Data! The Kadano controller mechanics article is rich!

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it Simon! Kadano is a legend

@boogergoblin 3 жыл бұрын

I wish I understood more of these videos but the small bits I'm able to comprehend and the intense level of depth and detail you go into make this some of my favorite content on youtube atm

@turndownforwalt 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@localbridgetposter 5 жыл бұрын

Really interesting video on an analysis of how win conditions should be focused a lot of the time, as well as how defensive play should be properly executed and how small interactions can mean so much.

@jakobkinz123456 5 жыл бұрын

Little known factoid- smash turns in IASA frames go from a 1 frame window to a 2 frame window. You are correct about the polling system. SO upon L-canceled moves, in the IASA frames, a smash turn has to be executed in (at worst) 1/60th of a second. IASA frames are everywhere. SO - options like jab (to cover early frames of missed tech) -> dash back jc grab (to cover tech roll OR wakeup roll ON REACTION) are much easier... than waiting and trying to dash back. Or use UCF...

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

WE HAVE TO GO DEEPER. Thanks for the insight!

@stayontrack 5 жыл бұрын

I like how hbox knew how insane that was

@ffeeley1 5 жыл бұрын

Really great video. Love the editing. One note though regarding sound effects: I like the polish of having a chime or other sound effects for every bullet point, but I think the ones you chose have *too much bass* on them, and you might benefit more from a lighter, less heavy tone. Heavy bass sounds tend to distract listeners by overpowering the mix with your music and voice. I watched with headphones on, and it took me a moment to realize where the bass thumps were coming from, and in turn I began missing important bullet points. Just a thought to help make sure folks are getting the most out of your content. Superb and informative video though.

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the comment bones! Some of the SFX choices were to keep consistency with the first episode, but I also didn't want to overload sections with sounds if I felt the animation could go without it. I can definitely see what you're saying for SFX though, and I'll see if it's something I can further adjust in future videos! Appreciate the support and I hope to hear from you in the comments again soon!

@cheikhounaniang8592 5 жыл бұрын

Data

@super2thesam 5 жыл бұрын

I think sound effects that are less stereo-focused would help too. That first bassey sound sounded like it shifted between my ears (wearing apple earbuds). Since the rest of the video seemed pretty stable mono-ish sound, the weirdly placed panning of that sound defo scared me.

@super2thesam 5 жыл бұрын

Great video tho!

@r3aperrising984 5 жыл бұрын

You HAVE TO keep making these videos man, they are so high quality and well done, meaning they are highly appreciated!

@Vealdebate 5 жыл бұрын

This channel may be the single most informative melee breakdown ever. Respect.

@sp3ctum 5 жыл бұрын

Wow this is amazing. Can't believe how in depth you were able to go. This game is pretty deep!

@JohnBenoit46290 5 жыл бұрын

been thinking a ton about win conditions, love this perspective!

@_Trihawk_ 5 жыл бұрын

Another AMAZING video! Keep it up! This kind of content will be game changing for the future of Melee

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Hope to keep pushing out content like this! Thanks for the comment!

@Bones0 5 жыл бұрын

I never thought I'd live to see the day a Melee tutorial would properly describe a situation as utilizing "crouch cancelling AND ASDI down". Brings a tear to my eye... Unfortunately, the turnaround was actually a tilt turn, not a smash turn. I imagine Wizzy actually wanted to dash uair, but dashing too early (or getting unlucky polling if it was vanilla) gave him a tilt turn and he jumped the frame before his dash from tilt turn would have started.

@Bones0 5 жыл бұрын

@K D He got launched by the up air and immediately DIed back into the ground, entering the standard 4-frame landing animation. This is only possible with ASDI down.

@Divinate1 5 жыл бұрын

If it was a tilt turn you'd very obviously see the turnaround frames, which you don't

@Bones0 5 жыл бұрын

@@Divinate1 Gameplay footage drops frames all the time. If you go frame by frame you can clearly see the second frame of tilt turn.

@Ben-dw1vw 4 жыл бұрын

Wizzy doesn't "stay calm", the scientists just forgot to code panicking into his pathing.

@ZedEnFrancais 5 жыл бұрын

I'd also like to chime in and say this video incredibly made. Graphically it looks fantastic and conceptually it's easy to follow while being incredibly informative. Can't wait to see more!

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support! Looking forward to more videos soon.

@dotChrollo 5 жыл бұрын

I've been working on getting really serious with my CFalcon and this video is such a nice push to really think in a slightly more situational way against players I can predict/expect

@amund9355 3 жыл бұрын

Hbox impressed face is actually wholesome

@ozmassb2594 3 жыл бұрын

wizzy has blast processing

@JB-ns6ek 5 жыл бұрын

This kept coming up on my recommended, and I’m so glad i finally clicked. New sub!

@lorenzoram6025 5 жыл бұрын

High quality content right there !! Looking forward for amazing future videos .

@craigcraig6248 5 жыл бұрын

You deserve more praise man your videos rock

@diego4lonso 5 жыл бұрын

Man, love this kind of videos

@noirlavender6409 3 жыл бұрын

Now we need a new frame data from yesterday's LSD PLAYS

@kalpek6913 5 жыл бұрын

amazing video, one of those that reminds me how beautiful the game is, this was literally one of the ten games hbox and wizzrobe played at GTX

@siddarthchalla522 5 жыл бұрын

Superb quality, really enjoyed this!

@Lucas_Villaverde 5 жыл бұрын

This makes practical tas look like a caveman

@PieXD124 5 жыл бұрын

Im such a big fan of this series, keep them coming, earned yourself a sub

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! I had a lot of fun putting this one together!

@choknater 5 жыл бұрын

this reminds me a lot of skillcapped LoL videos. excellent work

@2dhudson 5 жыл бұрын

Hoooly crap. This video is so damn good and insightful. Barely found the channel today. This needs to be spread.

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Very glad you found the channel! Hope to hear more from you in the future!

@zacharyvogel8817 5 жыл бұрын

Great series so far! Super interesting stuff! V well done

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to the next episodes! Thanks for watching!

@tythesoundguy 5 жыл бұрын

Very well done video!! Subscribed!

@outsync4399 5 жыл бұрын

Holy guacamole that was a fantastic video, love the analysis!

@mattdotzeb 5 жыл бұрын

These videos are incredible

@Dlord1PlayStation 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, amazing video! Impressive editing.

@Duck-de9dw 4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha Hbox popped off for wizzrobe’s nair upair upair combo

@Kiriakus1 5 жыл бұрын

your videos are godlike

@herzogwolf7225 4 жыл бұрын

3:40 Music is Beyond from Voyage if anyone needs to know :)

@davidstebbins8002 5 жыл бұрын

YOOOO what are these textures at 7:58 I had to do a double take to make sure this was still melee

@antehman2912 5 жыл бұрын

I seriously want to know how to replicate that

@Bizzozeron 5 жыл бұрын

its ishiiruka dolphin effects, you can turn them on in post processing. Looks like some depth of field, fxaa, maybe color correction and sharpening

@RossHadden 5 жыл бұрын

Please, please, PLEASE don't get hit by a bus. We need you, and we need this. This is amazing!

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Pretty big request but I'll try my best man! Haha thanks for the support!

@ravioli_is_good1433 4 жыл бұрын

Im lovin the hbox reactions

@qcumberfiesta7122 4 жыл бұрын

Hbox couldn't believe that smash turn either

@AndrewJamesBinuya 5 жыл бұрын

i'm excited for this series

@KYUBIMATIAS 5 жыл бұрын

Walt, there are great. Would love a Mango vs Armada video.

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

I'll see what I can do!

@SlunkyBoi 5 жыл бұрын

wowowow this needs more views, great job dude!!!

@kirjian 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, take your time lad

@jongaldames3478 5 жыл бұрын

Finna go practice smash turns for hours now.

@edisezam5741 5 жыл бұрын

This is freaking great my man. you should do zain vs hungrybox at shine 2018!

@digg9024 5 жыл бұрын

This man needs more subs

@jackfrost884 5 жыл бұрын

great infographics🐴

@elliotheath5366 5 жыл бұрын

Great vid!

@Mr_Wiley 5 жыл бұрын

great video

@jacobwhite8617 5 жыл бұрын

Amazing video

@ChemyChem 5 жыл бұрын

Can someone please re-explain Smash Turns and Tilt Turns? Is this a SSBM exclusive mechanic? I'm lost from it tbh

@moraigna66 5 жыл бұрын

Smash turns are frame perfect (or 2 frames with UCF) and bypass the turning animation (around 7 frames) that characterize tilt turns.

@IRMaxi 4 жыл бұрын

Why does wizy look like Linkorz the SOULCALIBUR player lol the twinship is uncanny

@FortWhenTeaThyme 5 жыл бұрын

4:02 That isn't poor DI, that is failing to double jump after hitstun.

@jackzilla321 5 жыл бұрын

Outstanding

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Jack!

@something1351 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry I can't stop thinking about wizzrod

@joeyancey6216 4 жыл бұрын

You gotta make a video like this with none

@turndownforwalt 4 жыл бұрын

I have a few ideas in the works!

@WinningBURRIT0 5 жыл бұрын

what are you using at minute 4?

@TheDanielradio 5 жыл бұрын

Very very interesting!!! :)

@Dlord1PlayStation 5 жыл бұрын

LMAO I thought the title said "Frame Data E02 - How Wizzrobe Converts Defensive Falcon Play Into Huge Penises" and I was like...wtf? Thanks, Mang0! -.- #Wizzrod XD

@turndownforwalt 5 жыл бұрын

Yikes

@Shnergen91 5 жыл бұрын

cool

@stuna210 5 жыл бұрын

So in other words, Wizzy played really well while Hbox wasn't invested nowhere near as much.

@dontbeweirdrj1805 5 жыл бұрын

Nice

@intrigue802 5 жыл бұрын

It's scary how much you sound like Nobodyepic..

@Alahiji 5 жыл бұрын

So well made, sub/like/bell!

@splatsmash5003 3 жыл бұрын

Hbox lost this match because in that time he wanted to be cool, but recently he just holds down to crouch and ruin falcon's grab and most moves

@GustoFormula 5 жыл бұрын

8:00 These graphics remind me of those remakes of old games like OoT in unreal engine. It looks really jarring to me. I feel like it's almost disrespectful to the spirit of the game. Not a fan. However, that is my only complaint. Otherwise really great video.

@cherryb0ng 5 жыл бұрын

top shit. really cool graphics

@jaysean9589 5 жыл бұрын

This game...

@chaz7282 3 жыл бұрын

Heh huge

@DctrBread 5 жыл бұрын

instead of explaining smash turns, consider just linking to a video explaining them, especially since you'll probably have to explain them again in future videos.