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Turntable Shootout - Rega vs Technics V1 - Electronic (Planar 6 vs SL1200MK2)

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Vinyl Tonic

Vinyl Tonic

4 жыл бұрын

1:00 - Track 1 Technics SL-1200MK2
1:36 - Track 1 Rega Planar 6
2:19 - Track 2 Technics SL-1200MK2
3:04 - Track 2 Rega Planar 6
A quick shootout to hear the differences between a Rega Planar 6 and a Technics SL-1200MK2 turntables with two electronic tracks. Both turntables are recorded in the same environment with the same high quality vinyl, stylus, tracking force, phono-stage, tubes, interconnects and audio interface. Also the perceived volume is matched as well, so you can hear them as accurate as possible.
Turntables: Rega Planar 6 + Technics SL-1200MK2
Cartridge: Ortofon MC-3 Turbo
Phono Stage: Pro-Ject Tube Box DS2
Tubes: 1957 Mullard MC1 Long Plate Square Getter (British)
Turntable Mat: Herbie's Audio Lab - Way Excellent II Turntable Mat
Interface: UAD Apollo Twin X - Recorded 24 bit / 48K
Output: 1080/60p with Apple Lossless Audio 16 bit / 44.1K
No additional audio processing
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@mgsee
@mgsee 3 жыл бұрын
For me the Rega has better rhythmic timing and subtlety which meant that the tracks made more 'sense' because it was easier to pick up and follow the flow and 'pulse' of the music.
@high_fidelity_stuff
@high_fidelity_stuff 4 жыл бұрын
I would hope that after 40 years since the SL1200 mk2 was first released that the now 3 year old Planar 6 would be considerably better. Whilst I think the Rega sounds slightly better I certainly don't hear 40 years worth of improvement! Great selection of tracks btw.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. The Technics really holds up well. I guess that’s why they have not really changed the tone arm much over the years. Solid! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qM54oNBhqcu3nnU.html
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
Added another Rega vs Technics Shootout video here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qM54oNBhqcu3nnU.html. This one with Jazz, Soul and Rock. Enjoy!
@lpspinners8736
@lpspinners8736 3 жыл бұрын
The Rega P6 was far superior in detail and micro dynamics. The Techinics sounded slightly smeared compared to the Rega. Thanks for the comparison - I have the same phono cartridge and it is my hands down favorite under $1000.00.
@salvadorrodriguez9621
@salvadorrodriguez9621 3 жыл бұрын
You know your an audiophile when you notice it on the first sound wave.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
😊 my thoughts too.
@salvadorrodriguez9621
@salvadorrodriguez9621 3 жыл бұрын
Id prefer Rega though for EDM I think the Technics takes it, being a DJ table and all lol but we can see how much quality Rega has and can keep up with this Energetic music so detailed. .
@pravstar1
@pravstar1 4 жыл бұрын
Agree with the general consensus that the p6 sounds better than the technics. However the technics can be modded easily to outperform the p6
@brave1671
@brave1671 3 жыл бұрын
And it will cost more than P&
@preopdollop
@preopdollop 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this together. For me, the Rega has slightly better control of the bass and there was more of a slam, but the Technics sounds clearer than the Rega. It shines a bit more. I'd go with the Technics personally.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
@larockdigg
@larockdigg 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with your revue .. and i also notice a lot more dept channel separation on the p6
@opiestanborough4774
@opiestanborough4774 3 жыл бұрын
one of the best sounding videos ive ever heard off of utub....!
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
You should check out some of the vinyl songs I have posted.
@bkkersey93
@bkkersey93 3 жыл бұрын
Track 1 the highs and detail retrieval were the same, with the Technics being a smidge clearer.
@salvadorrodriguez9621
@salvadorrodriguez9621 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that is true i here it. the rega is a little more detailed in the sense that its not too sharp, at least that how i hear it.
@audiostuff2947
@audiostuff2947 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for this great comparison. To get greater results such as thighter bass response and clearer mids on the Technics, It could be helpfull to experiment with the platter mat and the turntable feeds. Change the rubber mat to cork/leather or polyethylen and the feeds to antispike or cerapuks. This may can increase subsonic and therefore using device bases (coupling TT on it and decoupling form the rack) could be even an further step...
@jozefserf2024
@jozefserf2024 3 жыл бұрын
The Technics sounds very impressive - the full picture. The Rega sounds like a turntable - excellent within its narrower remit.
@seakinggr
@seakinggr 3 жыл бұрын
Everything in the performance on record players is one word "matching", I own a Dual CS 505-4 audiophile edition and a Technics SL-1300 MKI, on the dual I use an Ortofon Super OM30 with wonderful results, the same cartridge same phono-stage on the Technics sounds awful, same thing happens when I use the Shure V 15 Type III with Jico SAS on the DUAL. That is the reason that you must not trust cartridge tests performed on the same turntable.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. The system is wholistic and all parts add to the result. BTW my favorite combo for my Technics 1200MK2 right now is the Ortofon MC-3 Turbo, Pro-Ject Tubebox S2, Funk Firm 5mm mat and a pair of 1960s Telefunken smooth long plates. It’s insanely good sounding!
@andrewwebb4635
@andrewwebb4635 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, I’ve just tried them through my hifi and found the difference even greater! The Rega is far crisper and firmer to my old ears even through an MP3 file. The Technics is muddier though again it’s got punchier but definitely not cleaner bass. My setup is an Onkyo streamer, an Audiolab 8300a and Wharfedale EVO 20 speakers.
@tribalypredisposed
@tribalypredisposed 4 жыл бұрын
I like Rega, but the clear winner here is the Technics. Classicaly trained singer here, I have sung on a recording picked by a NY Times critic as the #4 classical release for the year, and the Rega is playing too slow. The pitch is under, maybe a half cent, maybe a cent, but it is not right on. There are 100 cents between pitches. Get the speed tested, and I am sure you will find it is slightly under.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up. I will give it a test and adjust the NEO power supply as needed. 👍
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing you could hear this. Rega NEO PSU was indeed playing .02 rpms slow. I have fixed this for future videos. Nice ear!!!
@tribalypredisposed
@tribalypredisposed 4 жыл бұрын
@@VinylTonic Thanks! Our conductor trained us in "natural tuning" so that each chord had all of the harmonic overtones and undertones, that make your ears "buzz." On some chords the tenors needed to be three cents sharp, others seven, others it was the sopranos and so on. If one of us was a cent off, wrecked the chord, and he knew who it was instantly. He had synesthesia, saw sound as colors. A fantastic choir and experience that made singing with a normal good choir pure torture for the rest of my life...
@TheHammerofDissidence
@TheHammerofDissidence 4 жыл бұрын
You have an incredible ear! Rega tables usually run slightly fast rather than slow, so it's weird this one is slower than normal.
@HP_____
@HP_____ 3 жыл бұрын
Good ears, tribalypredisposed ! Rega actually is known for a touch slower which also gives the impression of "warmth" and mellower sound. I have tested a couple Regas with a strobe before and came in slow. One had an old belt that you could hear the wow and flutter. The Technics is quartz locked so the speed is dead accurate but many Technics direct drive turntables, not all, have a rather sterile clinical sound. I owned several before and they can sound great on rock and electronic music but if you play classical the strings sound like dental flossing your ears. Of course the best is Technics SP10Mk3 table, many consider the best turntable ever made, because its motor is the same one inside the master lathe that makes most records out there! Superb engineering. Anyway, for the kind of music that's playing in the video. I prefer the Technics for its matter of fact presentation. It's flatter but I like the metronomic pulsing rhythms. Yes, the Rega has better depth and harmonically richer tone. It really depends on the music.
@soopy1975
@soopy1975 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for your video. I can hear when the drums kick in on the first track an extra detail on the Rega but I couldn't tell the difference on the second track. I listened through my hifi. I agree with the others some classic rock may be better material to compare.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Good news. I am working on a second comparison video with Rock and Jazz.
@rogercobb3092
@rogercobb3092 2 жыл бұрын
I have both tables. I’m currently using a Technics 1200 stock. I have another mint 1200 in the process of being modified. The stock arm has been replaced with a Rega 330 on a stainless steel armboard. The main bearing is new from an audiophile supplier in the UK and is made to much higher tolerances. The feet have been replaced with Isonoe sprung feet. The Funk Firm mat made for the 1200 is used instead of that bouncy rubber one. I realize I could have bought Planar 8 for the money spent on this upgraded 1200, but I already had the table and I wanted to try the experiment.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 2 жыл бұрын
Funny I switched to Funk Firm right after I shot this video. Better overall sound. Less murky and less static too which is a nice bonus.
@rogercobb3092
@rogercobb3092 2 жыл бұрын
@@VinylTonic I think the Funk Firm mat is pretty darn good and I have obtained another for the stock 1200. I think I will be trying the KAB external linear power supply on the modded 1200 next. Seems like a reasonable investment.
@martinscase3904
@martinscase3904 2 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly I preferred the Technics - more natural, dynamic and weighty. The Rega sounded more hifi - clinical. I wonder how the Rega would've performed on a dedicated (Rega) shelf. My experience of Planar 2s and 3s in the past is that they really come alive on a light stiff shelf or Rega bracket. Heavy cabinets and shelves just lead to a 2D and lifeless sound.
@joebloggs8636
@joebloggs8636 2 жыл бұрын
Are you high again?
@nephrodoc4120
@nephrodoc4120 4 жыл бұрын
P6 vs the 1200GR would be a great comparison since they are similarly priced. I found similar results comparing my 1200MK2 to the Rega back when the P3 and the P6 came out. The 1200MK2 bettered the P3, but not the P6. At the time I could not justify spending $2K on the P6.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I would love to do that shootout. I just need a 1200GR. Maybe someday. 🤔
@truthful3777
@truthful3777 Жыл бұрын
Maybe you should try Nagaoka 150 or MP200 against the P6..
@PaulJamesVocalist
@PaulJamesVocalist 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video of comparison, I stand by my findings that the Technics is cleaner and clearer with a wider sound stage and a touch less lower bass resolution. The achilles heel of the Technics is getting a really accurate allignment with no company as yet manufacturing a good mirrored protractor, you can get greater accuracy of allignment with the Rega. The Rega is let down by poor motor and lots of noise and vibration from the unit, try a good MC on the P6 and turn up the volume near the inner tracks, particularly if there are very quiet passages on the inner tracks, you will hear the hum.
@Lasse3
@Lasse3 3 жыл бұрын
You can use any 3rd party Baerwald 2-point protractor, as long as the null points are located at 66 mm and 120.9 mm you're golden.. There are plenty 3rd party mirrored protractors, I would highly recommend the DS2 pro-ject align it, comes with some very helpful grid-lines that works wonders for eye-balling symmetry, unlike any other protractor I've ever used, and an actual stylus sized hole at the null-point, - you know when the stylus sits in the null-point and from there it's easy to tell if the cantilever is parallel with the grid, - best protractor I've ever used hands down!
@paulwheatley141
@paulwheatley141 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lasse3 thank you for your detailed reply. Bearwald using the protractor you describe is not one I have tried to be honest. However I didnt think Technics used the Bearwald system The 52mm stylus tip to rubber washer is closer to the Stevenson method. I think Bearwald puts the stylus nearer 54mm
@Lasse3
@Lasse3 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulwheatley141 you're exactly right, Technics uses 15 mm overhang (52mm Gauge) for their own propetary alignment which is very close to the Stevenson null- points, but not exactly the same exact numbers. If you own a technics TT and wanted Bearwald you'd had to increase overhang from the standard 15mm up to 17,8mm As you stated the standard technics overhang Gauge giving you the 52 mm would have to be increased up to 54,8 mm. In reality overhang has nothing to do with those gauges or 52 mm "Overhang" is actually when you move the tonearm past the spindle, how long is there from stylus-tip to spindle..! If you go to the technics data sheet you will see TONE-ARM effective lenght: 230 mm Overhang: 15mm The 52 mm "overhang" gauge, is just a smart tool for getting you in the ball-park of obtaining their propertary 15mm overhang. But If you want much better tracking eg; Baerwald, you need a headshell allowing for much higher maximum mounting distance ( Ortofon SH4 ) Most headshells has much to short mounting distance to obtain this alignment..! And of course you need a Baerwald protractor. Just becuase the turntable is aligned close to Stevenson from Factory default, doesn't mean it can't be aligned for baerwald, - given a large enough headshell, allowing for further extended overhang, you can basically do anything! And it sounds *Much* better! The tools needed for doing these things are cheap, headshells and protractors! But it's demanding and time consuming!
@paulwheatley141
@paulwheatley141 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lasse3 Thanks for the reply Yes I remember the longer setting with slight inward angle. So I guess I did try Bearwald. I may not have had it as accurate as you have been able to achieve however. That being said, my experience was different in that I started at the longer setting and went back to the 52mm. I found the inner grooves to be less clean with more grain and sibilance splash at the longer setting. Ortofon manufacture the plug and play system to be 52mm and whilst it isn't quite Stevenson either it settles the 2M cartridge much better on loud passages than the longer Bearwald setting did when I did A/B comparisons. Anyway I ended up using the better Audio Technica MG10 magnesium headshell with their own cartridges AT33ptg and ART9 which is close to the 52mm. In reality it is hard to get it spot on. Different VTF and air temperature makes a difference to where it settles. I started to obsess about it too much and in the end just decided to set as close to 52mm as I could and enjoy the music haha
@Lasse3
@Lasse3 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulwheatley141 I've heard of this phenomena before, people claiming that for different tone-arms, diffrent alignment works best. There is no reason why this should be true, but many people are experiencing it nonetheless!
@yogi9631
@yogi9631 2 жыл бұрын
On first listening via just notebook speakers and find it very hard to tell the difference. Will try again with proper headphones next time.
@jacobbarling
@jacobbarling 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comparison, I have been tossing up between Technics and Rega. Cheers
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Good timing then. I own both and the Rega gets used daily. It gets my vote. Something cool about the punchlines of old dance singles on the Technics though so I keep the old 1200.
@jacobbarling
@jacobbarling 4 жыл бұрын
Vinyl Tonic Is it possible that you could do a comparison with some older analogue recorded music (ie not digital music). Ie like some old black sabbath or jazz, blue etc. cheers
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
That is a great suggestion for a second shootout. I need to fetch the Technics from my studio and bring it back to my home for another round. I will put it on the list for down the road.
@felixfranzen7318
@felixfranzen7318 Жыл бұрын
Are the turntables level matched here? You really need to match volume to within in 0.1dB really for a a/b of two devices to be useful. Otherwise it's likely the people are just going to go with the loudest one (without knowing it's louder). The slightly louder tactic have been used by hifi salesmen forever and infamously by Audioquest. I'm not saying you're anything such thing here on purpose of course. Just that if there is a difference it might influence the outcome. Also, Regas are know to play slightly faster than they should.
@audioman6007
@audioman6007 3 жыл бұрын
Rega wins and so it should, the technics should be compared to the rega 3, the technics mk2 was under £500 in the mid 90s and in now being compared to a much newer turntable costing more than twice it's price, i would still have the Technics just for durability, put the right cartridge in the technices, may be something to bring out abit more midrange as we no it has plenty of punch, as it was built for dance music etc.
@garydougherty8307
@garydougherty8307 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm looking at getting the Rega 6 with MC cartridge but stuck on an amp. Is the Pro-Ject Tube Box DS2 that you use the phono stage and the amplifier in one, and MC enabled at that? I have a pair of Klipsch Rp500M's, so wondering if the Rega 6 MC, Pro-Ject Tube Box DS2 and Klipsch speakers is enough to play vinyl on. I'm definitely sold if this is the case from the level of detail coming from what I've heard you capture in this.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
You won’t regret getting this set up. It’s amazing for the money. I think both the DS2 and the Tube Box S2 are both good options for this set up. The DS2 has more controls and allows set up for 2 turntables and two outputs. Both support MC and MM carts. For under $800 and with tubes these are a both a great choice. 👍 If you don’t need the extra in and out then the Tube Box S2 is great and so have both and don’t hear any obvious difference. I suggest a tube upgrade too. Telefunken smooth long plates or RCA black plates are probably your best value. Buy old ones from the 50s or 60s. You will still need an amp for those speakers. Ideally a 2 channel amp that gives you 75-100W per channel. I recently did an upgrade to a much much fancier tube phonostage. Still surprised how good the 4 times cheaper DS2 held up to this new beast. If you are interested I am going to sell the DS2 from these videos with a pair of nice 1950s RCA tubes in it. Price will be around the cost of a new S2. If you are interested send me a private message.
@TheVinylGuru
@TheVinylGuru 4 жыл бұрын
Epic. I love it. I love your mat as well.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Herbie Mats are the best! 👍
@bharatsodha3078
@bharatsodha3078 3 жыл бұрын
Rega all the way 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@martinboucher6225
@martinboucher6225 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demo! Please make other comparisons with jazz and classic music! ; )
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Here you go. 🙂 Turntable Shootout - Rega vs Technics V2 - Jazz + Rock (Planar 6 vs SL1200MK2)
@martinboucher6225
@martinboucher6225 3 жыл бұрын
@@VinylTonic Ok!
@TheCaro2
@TheCaro2 2 ай бұрын
Rega is dryer. it has much more space and quietness between sounds - this is, i think, because rega's turntable does not vibrate as much as technics.
@the_newvoice
@the_newvoice 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, here's the compilation! Rega have a precise sound going upper details and focused in center- really great linear detailed sound! Technics more sides and vibe, relaxed, but not so crisp. Good at clubs :) BTW That Crystal Method track is really cool at Technics. It's got to sound like that. Rega was a bit disturbing and and not smooth vobes. But first track Rega wins with that sparkles by far.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree about the Technics and Crystal Method track. They are a match for sure!
@danashay
@danashay 2 жыл бұрын
Huh. That was illuminating. Very nicely done. My personal knee-jerk went to the technics. I really must hear more, please. Please carry on!
@felixfranzen7578
@felixfranzen7578 2 жыл бұрын
I own a Rega P5 with the Exact cart. My assumption is still that the Technics should sound better due to lower wow and flutter. Specs for the Techie says 0.025 wrms but real world measurements differ of course and an old player might not be fully up to spec. It does however seem like most SL's keep the w&f below 0.045 wrms. Rega doesn't even publish the w&f specs, and apparently the inhouse tolerance for even their best player, the RP/P10 is 0.1 and 0.2 and higher for the lesser models. Still, Aussie Hifi News posted measurements by a lab (Newport lab or something like that) who measured the Planar 6 to 0.08 (2-3 times that of the SL). I agree however that the arm on the Rega is most likely better. Are you shure that the output is exactly the same from both players? If one is louder and both keep the w&f below 0.1 most people is going the choose the louder one as sounding better (the frequency response we perceive actually change with the sound level). Amyways. If were to buy a record player today (below $2000) it would definitely be a SL-1200 (the GR or 2nd hand MK2-MK5). I actually kinda regrett that I didn't do so back in 2008 when I bought my P5. The Technics would probably give me more peace of mind knowing that rumble and w&f is not an issue. Still, I'm happy that the it's kinda hard to hear any differences at all here. Both players are most likely good enough, so it might not be necessary to upgrade from a Rega P5 (or similar) to a SL-1200.
@dougf8180
@dougf8180 3 жыл бұрын
Great video with great analysis. I’m now stuck in a choice between the Planar 6 and maybe the Technics SL1500C. Thoughts?. As well can you speak to and comment on the slip mats you used in the video?
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
Depends what you want. If ease of use is important my vote is the Technics. I think the Rega may sound a little more detailed to me. However I have not tested the SL1500C only the SL1200MK2. I personally like the look of the Rega in my living room. Some may prefer the Technics look. I have tried many many mats. My favorite is the Funkfirm Achromat , second is the Herbie’s Way Excellent 2.
@dougf8180
@dougf8180 3 жыл бұрын
@@VinylTonic thanks. I thought your shoot-outs were quite revealing ....
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Doug. I hope to find some time to make a few more. Mats are on the list for sure.
@MusicLover-01
@MusicLover-01 2 жыл бұрын
So if you put the rega arm on the technics, what then?
@seeyouinmist3924
@seeyouinmist3924 3 жыл бұрын
rega is slightly better defined and i found the bass go deeper - get the rega arm onto the technics and you have a winner
@pravstar1
@pravstar1 3 жыл бұрын
The rega Arms don't work well on technics 1200
@seeyouinmist3924
@seeyouinmist3924 3 жыл бұрын
@@pravstar1 tell me why please - is it something to do with the lid on the technics, or is there a synergistic mismatch?
@salvadorrodriguez9621
@salvadorrodriguez9621 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like for this music Technics takes this one i have to say. Also it comes down to preference, Technics being more energetic and Rega is more detailed to which would be great for classical. Technics dj tables are made to make this type of music LOL
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@christopherward5065
@christopherward5065 2 жыл бұрын
The technics dazzles with surface details and lacks ebb and flow. It really misses decay tails and highlights attack instead. The Rega is more mature. It opens up space in the mix and shows us the structure underneath. We get how each phrase differs from the one before and the space allows decay tails to play out. The Rega is a more refined turntable nodding in the direction of what you pay for in high-end turntables. The Technics with a better arm and higher platter inertia might be a better proposition.
@davidcarr2216
@davidcarr2216 Ай бұрын
The frequency response of one of them is wrong. I'm putting my money on the Rega - sounds too dark and bassey.
@cyelannford4735
@cyelannford4735 3 жыл бұрын
Nice demo... Rega sounded more natural, better focused... Less distorted. I just bought a giant killer TT; a Crosley C6... Mass production goodie, but with a few upgrades, excellent for the money.
@keithb6717
@keithb6717 2 жыл бұрын
Who told you Crosley are giant killers? You’ve been misinformed.
@cyelannford4735
@cyelannford4735 2 жыл бұрын
@@keithb6717 Including price, overall sound, etc, yes... Better? No, naturally not. Not misinformed either, just different viewpoint than you.
@hugosequeira2997
@hugosequeira2997 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you are just making a joke there with the Crosley....
@cyelannford4735
@cyelannford4735 2 жыл бұрын
@@hugosequeira2997 no, no joke... Same arm as several tables, same platter as several tables, same plinth as several tables, etc. Toss the felt mat, toss the $15 cartridge, and add a nice mat, a nice cartridge, and you have a similar table as many for a far better price. Not the same QC, not the same tolerance in the bearing, but far nicer for the money than was the norm yrs ago. Being a manual table is key, and the lack of automatic arm clutter under the plinth. Don't be jealous, I got mine as overstock/clearance for $124.00 to the door. 🤭😌🤭
@andrewwebb4635
@andrewwebb4635 2 жыл бұрын
I surprised my 75 year old ears by finding a clear preference for the Rega : it seemed far more detailed to me and I found the Technics a little more thumpy and clumsy. I listened by Byerdynamic earphones fed through an in-line DAC from an iPad - not top-of-the-line by any means. I doubt I’d spot so much difference through my hifi. The Technics arm was built for heavy duty use and maybe it’s simply not as good as a modern Rega arm? The cartridge sounded crystal clear.
@COLDMKULTRA
@COLDMKULTRA Жыл бұрын
P6 wins by far ... But, you could not use it for live DJ sets ! (where actual sound quality does not really matter at mental sound levels)
@armanddimeo6575
@armanddimeo6575 3 жыл бұрын
The Technics has better drive and punch but the Rega has much better musical flow and is superior in revealing the subtleties and nuances of the music. Makers of CD players and other digital playback systems have tried to make them sound more analog. It seems that Technics (Panasonic) is trying to make vinyl sound more digital.
@mengudenizhan6729
@mengudenizhan6729 3 жыл бұрын
Rega is way ahead of Technics. Technics stresses the sound. Rega is relaxing because Rega is stay out of the sound picture. I hear music on Rega but I hear stress on Technics. The detail that some hear is undesirable peaks influences the sound. Thank you for this faithful comparison.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@mengudenizhan6729
@mengudenizhan6729 3 жыл бұрын
@@VinylTonicThank you. Basicly this goes to Direct Drive vs. Belt drive debate but this is the main issue about Directly driven tables. Naturally that does not mean that Technis is a bad table. Technics was made better direct drives too. Also some vintage DD tabels have better performance than this model. I think that Rega betters Technis SL-1200's beginning from P6 and upper models. Some say that a tonearm upgrade on Technics give better results. I don't know as stock Technics tonearm is a good quality static balance arm. I think if Technics arm mounted on Rega we have same good result. Oh by BTW on Technics the stock cable should have need an upgrade for sure.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
Oh for sure on the cable of the old 1200s. I failed to mention my 1200MK2 had just been professionally serviced and had upgraded cables installed. I tried to get it as nice as possible without any big mods before the shootout. Someday I would love to compare a new fancy Technics to the Rega.
@mengudenizhan6729
@mengudenizhan6729 3 жыл бұрын
@@VinylTonic That will be another fantastic comparison. I am looking forward to watch it. Keep up the good vibe, cheers!
@Kwippy
@Kwippy Жыл бұрын
Of course the Technics with its very pretty strobe lights direct drive and fine speed adjustment is much better! All so called high end turntables with belt drives and no strobe lights are only bought by silly fools.
@nistorcosmin7923
@nistorcosmin7923 3 жыл бұрын
Technics is more engaging , better channel separation, the sound has more weight.
@paulmasella1616
@paulmasella1616 4 жыл бұрын
The Rega is much more open with a wider soundstage.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
I agree. Good ears.
@NNITRED
@NNITRED 2 жыл бұрын
I'm primarily hearing the difference between the two different recording sessions- not necessarily the turntables.
@davidberkman495
@davidberkman495 3 жыл бұрын
Both of them sound like my iPad.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@ryanhursh6322
@ryanhursh6322 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll go ahead and agree with many saying the Rega is more detailed, but with that detail comes a lack of energy… a bit thin and clinical. It’s like digital vs film photography… whether people realize it or not, what makes an image shot on film better than a digital (of course not always the case) is often not the quality, it’s the energy. It’s likely the imperfections are the drawing factor, because it captured what’s real. Imagine going to a concert and hearing a set identical to the album, you’d be pretty disappointed. We actually want imperfection.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Great description! Thank you.
@COLDMKULTRA
@COLDMKULTRA 2 жыл бұрын
Rega Planar 6 wins by far ... even with the atrocious youtube compression playback. (Technics is great for nightclubs and that sort of thing though!)
@user-eu5fg3pn8d
@user-eu5fg3pn8d 2 жыл бұрын
Technics has punchier bottom end than Rega. Rega sounds o feeling clearer in the high frequencies but the overall sound of Technics is more rich.
@binhvu5071
@binhvu5071 4 жыл бұрын
Technic is quicker, more defined with better leading edge, Rega slower, warmer with more extended bass, sound better with vocal and Jazz.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
Great description. I agree the Technics has a nice snappiness to to. Strong transients.
@eddiebaby22
@eddiebaby22 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder how a technics sounds compared to a P2. The 6 smashed the technics here
@Lasse3
@Lasse3 3 жыл бұрын
Drama and the punch goes to technics, much more grandiose bottom, - what it lacks in clarity it adds for up weight and scale! I mean just compare this drum-roll!!! 1:16 1:53
@anibalp68
@anibalp68 3 жыл бұрын
technics all the way
@zukispur5493
@zukispur5493 2 жыл бұрын
Now swap arms
@dmgsoultogetherness6667
@dmgsoultogetherness6667 3 жыл бұрын
Technics not techniques
@jphi-fi5443
@jphi-fi5443 4 жыл бұрын
Technics forever
@dman8369
@dman8369 4 жыл бұрын
It’s not even close, REGA wins.
@musicisitall
@musicisitall 4 жыл бұрын
bull. and you know that ; hahhaahha really you are a clown.
@VinylTonic
@VinylTonic 4 жыл бұрын
😊 Just posted another comparison. I think you will be surprised by how close these are when set up the same way. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qM54oNBhqcu3nnU.html
@kitada9885
@kitada9885 3 жыл бұрын
Rega 6 is the best.
@pompeyjim
@pompeyjim Жыл бұрын
Technics sounds miles better on my system
@mswdesign9164
@mswdesign9164 Жыл бұрын
You're appealing to the vain belief that nothing has more authority than our subjective apparatus, when the truth is that subjective memory is completely unreliable. Could you tell that the Planar recording was .5 dB louder than the Technics? No. I couldn't, either. But it is. You certainly could aid in accurate judgment by splicing small sections of these tracks closer together, even repeating them, five seconds A-B-A-B, mixing them up. Could you then tell the difference? I seriously doubt it- the notion that in a situation where the cartridge and amp are the same that the turntable could have an easily heard impact on perceived sound is quite a claim. What is true is that each turntable will have its own resonance signature, and that can be seen in a program like Audition where you can view a spectral analysis of recorded frequencies. This assumes that we can't hear pronounced motor noise, which you certainly can encounter in cheaper turntables. In better turntables that present no motor noise, there will still be resonances, but a turntable's resonance signature will likely be almost entirely subsonic- no other difference should be visible unless there is a pronounced mechanical failure. There are other relevant differences between turntables, such as the ability to hold pitch constant. I recently compared my SL1200-mkII to a friend's Rega Planar 3. The Technics had more pronounced resonances, if not by a lot. The Rega had an issue with the platter speed where it would speed up and slow down over 20-30 second cycles. This speed difference was very very small. So did the characteristic matter? Probably not. For the record, the MKII also had speed irregularities, but at much closer intervals- under a half-second. Another area of potential difference between turntables is how much they transmit environmental disruptions like footsteps. How much vibration isolation is there? That could be measured in a relatively objective fashion. But again, this is not a characteristic that is likely to matter much unless you are recording the playback. I have listened to recordings I've made of from my turntable and heard myself "walk through the room" when my residence had a wooden floor and I forgot to walk gently. Is this a characteristic that is likely to matter much for listening to LPs for pleasure? No. What is true is that absolutely no modification of the playback is possible in the manner you describe in this video, where one turntable makes "ends of notes" clearer. Have a friend splice, dice, mix and obscure these particular sections at close intervals from your two recordings here and you will find that they are perfectly identical. You may find it harsh for me to assert that your analysis here is colorful fiction caused by the fact that imagination cannot be tamed, but I don't see much effort here to bring exactitude to your analysis. Your setup is great and I do appreciate the effort. You can do a lot more than what you've offered here to objectively identify the differences between turntables. You just have to recognize that the differences aren't what you think.
@musicisitall
@musicisitall 4 жыл бұрын
the difference in sound is all between your ears.. your interpretation ......... i'm musician for over 45 years.... ........ you are not.......... blindfold yourself. you can't hear any difference. try it. and be honest.
@musicisitall
@musicisitall 3 жыл бұрын
Yippie I’m a prof and musician..
@yippie6862
@yippie6862 3 жыл бұрын
@@musicisitall Yet, you can't hear obvious differences.
@musicisitall
@musicisitall 3 жыл бұрын
Yippie I can but they are not obligated to hear the difference
@hbaboris
@hbaboris 4 жыл бұрын
No doubt that Rega beats Technics .....
@mfgt4595
@mfgt4595 Жыл бұрын
CD player is much clearer. It's stone age technology. It's only a fad like buying old cars from the 90s. It's a phase. Going retro is just plain bull! It's like buying a square wheel and saying it's much better at rolling than a round wheel....doh! If cds were crap, why were radio stations turning to cds asap ? They always go for top quality sound.
@matthewtaylor7355
@matthewtaylor7355 Жыл бұрын
People prefer analogue and valve amps and Tannoy speakers.. The CD years are over
@gweflj
@gweflj 7 ай бұрын
I own 2 1200’s but the rega has more separation. On and its Technics, not Techneeks😉
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