Dale has created a space these guys feel safe in. Kudos to him and Mike.

Just bring back the old Winston points system and this crap won’t happen. This whole Chase format blows. Having a regular season champion and a cup champion? Stupid.

Ty Norris: _Has entire masterplan..._ Brian Vickers: *_mass visible confusion_*

The current points system is why a lot of fans have walked away from NASCAR.

If you do one thing junior, please release every minute of this, i’d love to watch this entire conversation! Love Ty!

None of any of it would have happened if the stupid chase wasn't there in the first place. Bring back 2003!

Again, just learn so much when Jr. and Mike have these guests. Outstanding. Thank you. Keep it coming.

Just dropped in to say Thanks to Dale Jr. for all he has done in keeping the Earnhardt name an integral part of all us old Dale Sr. fans lives, His passing put such a heavy load on his shoulders, and the damage done by the unmentionable one, to DEI was in most part, able to be forgotten, as he is the one that Sr's legacy was passed to, not DEI no matter what legal paper work she has to the contrary. Much love and respect for the excellent job you have done in keeping the faith with us, the fans of the Earnhardt Tradition. Thank you.

I just want to hear Dale rant about Brian Vickers.

I am not a big NASCAR fan and stumbled across this podcast. It is amazing and I love Dale’s honesty…I love it

It sucks being the one singled out when everybody's doing it. It's like being on the freeway and everybody's running 85 and you get pulled over. Try arguing to the cop everybody else is doing 85 and you'll get the whole if your friends jump off a bridge speech. The media really did villainize this dude back when that happened I remember.

I'm glad he called out Marty Smith. I hate that guy with a passion.

This whole podcast with Ty was amazing explained so much. Why DEI is gone the relationship with Sr and Jr. Just watched it on NBC Sports after Nashville. Still wish Jr would of been able to run DEI.

This isn't the first time this has happened. 1993 Watkins Glen. Jack Roush had Wally take Spencer to the grass on the restart and let Mark by, Jack Roush called it over the radio. Later in the season, a short weld on an intake manifold/spacer plate cost Mark Martin the championship. Probably cost Wally his ride, Wally was pissed.

Truex ended up "out of a job", signed up with the "no count" Furniture Row Racing, and the rest is some real interesting Nascar history...

It’s sad that the sanctioning body made Ty Norris their scapegoat. But is anyone ever really surprised? It simplifies everything to have just 1 guy to point a finger at. I’m 100% sure they didn’t expect Norris to rat out every single team that was pulling on-track stunts to get their teammate an advantage here or there. I wish he would’ve GONE PUBLIC with his intel, and further humiliated Drunk Brian France. I wish I had a dollar for every time a team got away with a scoring “cheat” or a “team order” that aided a teammate or a fellow competitor they had a deal with.

Ive never been much of a nascar fan but ive thoroughly enjoyed your show! its been an interesting behind the scenes peek!! keep it up, ill keep watching!

I can’t believe I watch NASCAR podcasts and I literally know probably 3 drivers 😂

There’s always going to be a scapegoat. Ty’s the better man in this deal.

What's amazing about this is that you had a few teams that night doing stuff like the 55 team. The 15 gets all the attention but no one realizes that David Gilliland and another squad I believe had been making deals as well, and they were investigated by NASCAR afterwards too. That race as a whole, though, was just a blunder for many, many reasons. I hope we don't see another mess of a time like that again but knowing the competitiveness of everyone I doubt that that was the last of the scandals to take place in our sport's history. At least it gave us the opportunities to watch good ass videos like this (and others) about it down the line.

I still think it was iffy what he did, but I appreciate him having the guts to admit it, rebuke it, acknowledge the need for it to be systemically fixed or removed, and pointing out that others deserved as much ire, if not more, for using similar schemes, in a system that encouraged such shady dealings.

Ty Norris star's in the biggest blockbuster of the summer...... "FALL GUY" is coming to a theater near you!!

Outstanding interview yet again..

I was totally stunned back then by how this was handled. Those orders are totally normal in F1 and you could see it happening in NASCAR many races before this if you paid attention. You didn't need to be on the tower to see it. It still happens today getting other team drivers wins to 'lock in'. This totally exposed the stupidity of such a points system and NASCAR only doubled down on it. My 4 year old could run NASCAR better than it's current leadership. It's so pathetic what a great sanctioning body has become and how irrelevant stock car racing has become.

The s**t always hits the fan when you say the quiet stuff out loud.

Blame NASCAR for creating a stupid ass playoff system.

I aint gone lie since my favorite driver Gordon retired i haven't really watched Nascar....But I miss when Nascar had the Dale Jr and the Mark Martins Rusty Wallace's and so forth Nascar will never be the same

I seem to remember Dale SR, having Neil Bonnet park and start on the final race of 1993 for pretty much the same reason.

Old points system is better. Gotta reward consistency. A true champion runs good all year not just 10 races. KB won the championship after missing half the year. What a joke.

Ty Norris got my respect

This is what happens when you mess with points and stages and all the bs nascar has come up with for a championship.

Dale Jr and Mike are great interviewers. That being said the details Ty talked about seem to outline how complicated NASCAR has become and it's not a good thing

Damn i was hoping he'd talk more about Bowyer spinning... how i remember it: No matter what happened, Kahne was a lock for the chase due to 2 wins and below 10th in points (at the time it was top 10 plus highest winners between 11th and 20th in points). Newman took the lead from Edwards with 8 or 9 to go; a win would give him 2, and knock Truex out for sure. Bowyer spins, caution comes out and about everyone pits; Newman loses the lead. From there, Logano was ALSO behind Gordon in points, meaning Logano was 11th and Gordon 10th, this meant Logano would be the 12th man in the chase due to being higher in points than Newman or Truex. So Vickers pitting put Logano back to 10th and Gordon to 11th (Gordon didn't have a win yet that year). When all was said and done, IIRC Truex ended up tying Newman in points and got the tie breaker based on 2nd place finishes, and Logano beat Gordon by 1 to be 10th in points. The Front Row car of Gilliland (or maybe Ragan) helped Logano, and I believe they got fined afterwards, and that's what Ty was referring to there. Not sure what Hendrick car he was referring to "struggling", I'm guessing Kahne?

And this is why Stage racing and Playoff racing is a bunch of bull

I was hoping they would cover this!

I would rather watch 2-3 hour of the "behind the scene drama" then watch the race. Jr get on that

We all know this is why most people are going to watch this episode as a whole is the scandal at Richmond.

What the hell!! Ads have gotten so out of control that we have an ad in the middle of a 8 min or so video that is just part of the video not marked at a KZfaq ad. This is too out of control

"If you're not cheating, you're not trying. If you get caught cheating, you're not trying hard enough." Words of wisdom from my first Training Advisory Councilor (TAC) in the Army.

My daily and my road course car both have MWR shift knobs in them that we got from the liquidation sale. Hate to see what happened over there, they had the best fan tour facility in the area.

Fans who followed the sport closely knew those things were going on and were just happy the team or driver they supported did not get caught up in it. Ty and Martin Truex were the guys who probably got hurt the most.

I hope the wild days of rogue drivers and mechanics come back and change the dynamic of "PC NASCAR".

There always has to be a fall guy.

Why is pitting for a point a problem?

ty you should've just told brian yes you have a tire going down

It is really sad what they call "nascar", now a days.

Blame Brian Vickers for this one. If he would have pitted as he was told to nothing would have happened.

WWE: we are a show not a sport. Nascar: Hold our beer.

NASCAR is still stumbling around in total confusion.....

NASCAR has always had those mystery debris caution at the end of races

This is nothing new....back in the day, there were rumors that a timely Buddy Arrington spin that kept Petty on the lead lap late in a race would result in the arrival of some much needed parts Monday morning. Don't blame Arrington...he was a struggling independent. This is not confirmed, but it was out there at the time...

Can someone explain this like explaining it to someone who doesn't watch nascar?

not a nascar or race fan. but this is a good podcast. they should sign with youtube

I don't think anyone from MWR will ever tell the full truth of that day.

Just as much dirty politics in NASCAR as there is in Washington DC.

Spingate 2013 was the beginning of the end for me. Started with Clint Boyer not manning up and admit it was intentional, (NASCAR scrambled the incar camera when Clint cranked the wheel left), then they wouldn't act like an impartial governing body (to protect Toyota, I assume). Cancelled my season tickets to 2 tracks and went from never missing a telecast to occasionally watching and haven't been to a race since. Won't even get started on TV start times, The Chase, Seg Racing, Drivers buying their seat, ect. ect. ect.

Just another reason I haven't watched NASCAR for years. It's more like the WWE where the company controls the story line. True, they cannot make sure a certain driver, owner or manufacturer wins a race but they selectively enforce rules or change rules to effect outcomes. Get you some DIRTVision. Your choice of three different live events tonight and 2 different live events tomorrow. No bullshit politics, no playing favorites.

I wanted to hear about the jet fuel stuff or whatever it was....

Ryan McGee is the biggest joke there is. He is part of the problem with NASCAR. A bunch of morons talking about stuff they have no idea about. I have as much experience running a NASCAR team as Ryan McGee. What a joke. Ty Norris is awesome. One of the best podcasts so far.

No mention of Clint.

Love this format and Dale Jr maybe only person to pull it off (maybe DW could do it too). Only sin Ty committed was 'saying it on the radio' LOL

One of the many reasons I hate the Chase is because it leads to shady crap like this!

this was big podcast to watch

After hearing this podcast, I can see McMurrays beef with Nascar.

You’re solid in my eyes Ty. Thanks for supporting the Earnhardt name for so long.

ESPN's Marty Smith and Ryan McGee -- during their NASCAR coverage and (now) with their SEC work -- really don't hide who have first call on feeding them info for a story.

Dale needs to make a room dedicated to his dad and give his fans a P.O. Box to send in memorabilia for the room and just decorate the whole room with all of his collectibles, I have several new stuff in the box branded with his seniors signature

NASCAR is going to protect their franchise faces. Always have. I like Ty...

This is what happens when you do playoff crap in racing. Just go back to getting points each week. Total it up duh

TY is a badass i didnt know existed,all the while thinking i knew a lot about all the GM teams.

I've said it once, I'll say it again. nascar created this, they created to chase a pionts system with the ability for that to happen

I have an idea, how about the guy who places best all year, wins the big trophy at the end.............

"Son, you're gonna be OK just move past it." Great advice...

After it ended those guys went to work for the Astro s. Lol

I still feel that others should have had to pay as well.

Hendrick did it a few weeks ago to balance out the points on their team. Larson had the race in the bag but had to give the win to Elliott. Larson still had more points overall but the team as a whole ended up with more.

Ty made the mistake of saying the quiet part out loud

He's not being accountable. It doesnt matter what Hendrick did, its about what you and your company did.

It's so sad that only the year before in the same race Paul Menard purposely spun out to give Kevin Harvick the win. The radio conversation for Paul Menard made all of that crystal clear. No penalty. Not even a thought of it from NASCAR for a Chevy team.

Basically Ty’s saying he got in trouble because Vickers could just listen to his team without an explanation.

Ask Rob Kaufman why he signs bowyer to a new deal when he had no plans to honor it.

No mention of the fact there was a $1 million bonus from NAPA if all 3 MWR cars made the chase? That was what upset the apple cart.

I don't get why they all gave him the cold shoulder knowing everyone did it. Doesn't make sense. Its like the drunk that drove home and made it, getting mad at another drunk for getting busted driving. They both drove drunk , just one got caught.

I have been to nascar races since 1970.when I got home from vietnam and started watching nascar there was cheating like sin when I started.nascar has its picks for who can do what

Things like this have made NASCAR a total joke! Stage racing, car of tomorrow, etc, all bullshit! Get back to a time when the driver skill actually mattered!

The biggest thing that I said when that whole thing went down (Keep in mind I was a Gordon fan) They should’ve knocked Bowyer and Truex out and out Newman and Gordon in and NOT added a 13th Chase position.

I don't get how Jr stays calm .... I have my dads temper ... Working on it ...

Ty I’d have done the same thing. You did you the thing that was best at that time for your team...

Brian was not taking orders well?

Vickers: "do I have a tire down?" Norris: "sure, why not?"

ya, sorry but none of that happens without playoffs or chases or whatever they call it now... the playoffs have to go, they have ruined the sport! My family used to fly over from England to go to Daytona, the chase ended it for me

You’re a real man when your explanation doesn’t include a back story of how everyone else is doing “fishy” stuff before you explain you part in the story...

Ach, no comments to read yet. Gotta make my own. 😂

I thought using the rules to your advantage was how you win in any sport?

Wow.

You're either a stand up guy or a snitch. The choice was made and that's how it works.

so how many times did the 48 team push their luck? but that was ok right? no!

Finally The truth comes out

Make these drivers who don't want to be raced race for there playoff life every race don't hand them a position in the playoffs with a win make them work for it every race

If only Brian Vickers had just shut the hell up and pit, but what's past is past.