Typical 2 stroke carb tuning

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Josh of All Trades

Josh of All Trades

4 жыл бұрын

In this video I try to show how to adjust a typical 2 stroke carb. Many carbs will have H and L screws as well as an idle adjust.
Often times the fuel filter is in the connection to the tank or actually attached to the end of the fuel line inside the tank. They make acetylene torch tip cleaners that are micro fine round files. They work very well for cleaning the jets. As you use the files, you can feel a dramatic difference between the gunk/varnish and the bronze/brass metal of the fuel jets.
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If you have any adjustment screws they may help with the performance. In the case of a single screw it is the minimum butterfly position primarily used for ensuring that a bare minimum of air makes it into the engine during starting. Once the engine starts, the governor and throttle will counter act on one another to adjust the butterfly to maintain air and fuel mix and subsequently engine speed. Depending on the engine and carb this screw may continue to control the minimum idle speed. This single screw also ensures that the butterfly doesn't get jammed shut.
If you have more than 1 screw it is most likely that you have a total of 3. 1 is off by itself and acts as the minimum butterfly position as described above. The other 2 will be found together and act as the min throttle fuel adjust and the max throttle fuel adjust. Min throttle is always flowing fuel so it will affect the idle speed and the max throttle fuel mix. Every time you touch the min throttle fuel screw you will probably have to revisit the idle speed screw and the max throttle screw.
Before I begin making adjustments, I like to document where I am when I start. I slowly count the turns clockwise on all screws until they lightly stop. I write the three numbers down as reference settings. Then I reset all 3 screws to their as found position. If you have absolutely no good idea where the screws should be then start each of them one turn open (counterclockwise) from full shut (clockwise). Most of these engines require a choke when cold and a full throttle for starting. This primes the engine and ensures that the fuel lines, fuel bowl, and carb are full of fuel. The choke ensures a rich A/F mix for cold starting. If a priming bulb exists then pumping the bulb until it is full of fuel for a few pumps primes the engine as well. When pulling the cord, after the first sputter you can take the choke to half (if it has one) or off if it doesn't. Keep full throttle and retry the pull start. If it won't start then verify spark. Since full throttle is being applied, tweaking open the max fuel screw a 1/4 turn at a time will admit more fuel. If it still doesn't start then it suggests a clog in the high throttle fuel path.
Once it starts, run it at full/elevated throttle for a few minutes to warm up the engine. You know it is warm when you can take the choke all the way off and the engine surges up instead of dogging down. This does assume that the fueling is already close. If it is way off then an unchoked operation may not yet be possible. Now you can start the real fuel adjustments. Release the throttle and see if it stays running. If it starts to die then goose the throttle enough to keep it running. If it is slow to respond then open the min fuel screw slightly until the response is no longer sluggish. Once the response is no longer sluggish you can tweak the minimum idle screw such that it just barely keeps the engine going smooth and even. Goose the engine again to ensure no sluggishness. If needed repeat. At this point definitely make sure that the choke is off.
Once the minimum throttle fuel and idle speed screws are adjusted then you can move on to the max throttle fuel screw. Attempt to slowly raise throttle until full (WOT). If the engine dogs down along the way then it may be getting too much fuel. Tweak closed on the max throttle fuel screw and see if it improves. If it doesn't dog down and you can get to full throttle then hold it there and attempt to tweak the max fuel screw open. The RPM should climb. Continue until the point where it begins to die and then turn back closed until max RPM.
Recheck all settings by releasing the throttle and letting it idle, make sure that it doesn't die. Then goose it a few times to make sure that it is not sluggish. Then full throttle to make sure that it doesn't dog down.
This works for all types of small engine equipment. The only thing tricky about marine engines is that these settings need to be finalized in the water with a load. If any of the adjustments don't work then look at that part of the carb for clogs of debris or varnish. Lots of carbs have Welsh plugs with ports, orifices and screens hidden behind.

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@ronwoltz
@ronwoltz 2 жыл бұрын
Great job!
@TheRawWay83
@TheRawWay83 3 жыл бұрын
I have to tune up my mantis today and this gave me some inspiration. Hope it doesnt need a new carb but it doesnt sound that costly considering you get a new spark plug and filter. Thanks for making this vid!
@ValerieCudnik
@ValerieCudnik 2 жыл бұрын
Carb kits with fuel tubes filter and spark plug are only about $16 on amazon
@thomasfrench4035
@thomasfrench4035 Жыл бұрын
Josh, talk as you are doing the adjustment or put in text to explain what you are doing as you are doing it. But, yours is the best explanation so far.
@muckleyj
@muckleyj Жыл бұрын
Sorry to disappoint. I don't have a mic that will pick up me talking over the engine so explaining exactly what I'm doing while doing it is difficult. I tried my best to describe it in the description section of the video. I also found this video to be a good explanation of what is being adjusted and how it changes the operation of the engine. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdaBabma15fZqJc.html
@markhamilton4290
@markhamilton4290 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! At first I followed the Mantis instructions for the low and high speed screw initial adjustments...they were not helpful at all. Then on my own I experimented and found ideal settings. And after all that...I found your video!
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! I kinda figured it all out from KZfaq vids myself.
@iankarpinski7703
@iankarpinski7703 3 жыл бұрын
I put a Chinese carb on mine it ran great then next season same shit it starting bogging down not starting constantly tuning evertime I wanted to use it, they are a pain in the arse I don't have any issues with any of my other 2 stroke tools they are good when they're running when they run
@brianperkins6121
@brianperkins6121 2 жыл бұрын
I would strongly suggest people remove the tines when working on a mantis tiller for safety when you are working on adjustments . just pull the pin on each side and slide them off..
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 2 жыл бұрын
Probably not a bad idea.
@michaelflora2791
@michaelflora2791 Жыл бұрын
If only it was that easy. Spent a whole day trying to get one off. The other one was somewhat easy to get off
@katherinem.clement6776
@katherinem.clement6776 2 жыл бұрын
I replaced the carburetor, spark plug, and fuel lines. Ran well then couldn' t get it to start. Replaced the wire from the starter as I noted the insulation had worn through . It is still hard to start and when it does it stalls out after running briefly. Any suggestions?
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you may might still need to tune the carb. Specifically the low fuel valve and the idle.
@frankashby6235
@frankashby6235 3 жыл бұрын
Can you please advise a link to the kit and carburetor you purchased?
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 3 жыл бұрын
www.amazon.com/dp/B01F5CYGMA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_WHW8HP3X68Q77PEBJBDR?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
@johnclarke6647
@johnclarke6647 10 ай бұрын
My new carb on my Mantis started in one pull and it still starts in one pull. I did some very minor tuning but it was pretty good right out of the box.
@edwardbradford1764
@edwardbradford1764 3 жыл бұрын
Can you provide a link to the carburetor kit you ordered?
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 3 жыл бұрын
www.amazon.com/dp/B01F5CYGMA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_WHW8HP3X68Q77PEBJBDR?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
@glenzabriskie3952
@glenzabriskie3952 3 жыл бұрын
@@muckleyj Why does the kit they show not have the yellow colored fuel line?
@bradburymars
@bradburymars 11 ай бұрын
My squeezy bulb won't fill. its clear so I can see the gas coming in but it drains right back into the tank. I installed a new carb kit yesterday. Any help?
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 11 ай бұрын
There are little rubber check valves that open to let gas in from the tank but prevent it from running back out. The valve(s) are just inside the bulb so if you take the four corner screws out the bulb and metal retainer will come off. Then look in the tiny hole where the fuel comes in to look for debris or a stiff component. Might just find a rubber or plastic "gasket" similar to the one under the bottom cover plate. If so, you can put a little pre-bend on the flap so it seats a little tighter. You'll figure it out when you get the bulb off.
@bradburymars
@bradburymars 10 ай бұрын
@@muckleyj Thank you, just replaced the carb with new and all new fuel lines. Did not know the bulb took 100 pumps to fill. Adjusted the high needle so it starts and runs now now but the bulb empties and the engine dies. flap valve problem I hope not.
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 10 ай бұрын
sounds like a flap valve problem to me. not terrible to fix. just pull the four screws and add a little pre-bend curl to the flaps valves. make sure to bend them towards their seat (the little hole they cover).
@forresttaylor6849
@forresttaylor6849 Жыл бұрын
What positions on the hi and low should I start at? Turns out?
@forresttaylor6849
@forresttaylor6849 Жыл бұрын
Got it I asked too soon. So where did you end up? Less than 1 turn out on both. Thanks for the vid. Years later and still helping out!
@muckleyj
@muckleyj Жыл бұрын
Try 1 turn out. Specifically the low screw. Should be close. You need the engine to start and sorta run on its own before you can play with it. Get low fuel and idle throttle position adjusted close then work on hi. Any adjustment you make to low will effect idle and hi so it might take a few tries.
@dd-ow6pe
@dd-ow6pe 3 жыл бұрын
my carb does not have any adjustment screws
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 3 жыл бұрын
Some manufacturers are being forced to eliminate the screws so as to meet emissions regulations. It is ironic because a poorly adjusted carb is bad for emissions and a very poorly adjusted carb will simply result in trashing the unit which is significantly worse for the environment. There are different designs of carb so you may not be completely out of luck...
@user-rn2qb4op3j
@user-rn2qb4op3j 3 ай бұрын
your going to replace the lines anyway why take ines off carb.
@phygital1
@phygital1 4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful. Didn’t know about the low and high throttle screw adjustments, and the idle adjust screw. Going to look at my grass trimmer now.
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, chain saws, grass trimmer, outboards. All types of small 2 stroke engines. Having to mess with the screws too often might be a leading indicator that things like the rubber gasket/check valves are starting to fail. I have a chainsaw that acts like it simply needs a new carb.
@phygital1
@phygital1 4 жыл бұрын
Josh of All Trades I really do appreciate your laymen explanations that connect mental dots for others that may not understand how all the pieces fit.
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 4 жыл бұрын
@@phygital1, glad to hear that it helps. I'm not a professional videographer and it is all completely unscripted so sometimes I regret not providing higher quality content. But if it works and gets the message across then great!
@phygital1
@phygital1 4 жыл бұрын
Josh of All Trades It’s your skill set that is relevant. The fact that you take the time to share your knowledge and record at all surpasses any shortcomings. Perhaps videography is a new skill set for you. I personally don’t have a problem. I did chuckle when the old carb worked fine. Kinda like bringing your car to the dealer, describing the problem, only for the car to work fine there 😅.
@muckleyj
@muckleyj 4 жыл бұрын
@@phygital1 yeah that old carb did piss me off cause just a few days before it would start but just wouldn't keep going! Haha. Like I said, unscripted! As for video quality it comes down to cost/reward. I know how to do better.. I choose not to. I'm trying to convey a message, not win Oscars. And I intentionally don't monetize my videos so the time spent is only rewarded with good feels from the community.
@kensetches2276
@kensetches2276 Жыл бұрын
It's a primer bulb, not a squeezie bulb.
@muckleyj
@muckleyj Жыл бұрын
are you just trolling or is there an important distinction? i understand that the bulb primes the engine with fuel...thus the priming bulb name. does it add confusion by calling it a sweezie bulb?
@kensetches2276
@kensetches2276 Жыл бұрын
@@muckleyj No, but it makes you sound like a moron. 😉
@chickenjohnny3308
@chickenjohnny3308 2 ай бұрын
Actually, the official term is squeezey balb. I looked it up.😅😂
@denisdenis2034
@denisdenis2034 Жыл бұрын
Hé guys stop to show this video !!First you play with the lo speed adjuatement screw and yo8u run the engine full trottle LOL...Yet another one who knows nothing about it and shows videos!!Sorry but you are completely wrong like HPI and tyant others with the adjustment of these carburettors FOR GASOLINE. HPI, like all other manufacturers of vehicles and engines that run on nitro, say exactly the same way to adjust the carburetion of a gasoline engine as one on nitro, which is TOTALLY FALSE. This type of carburettor, whether branded, Zama, Walbro, tillotson, etc., if they have a throttle valve, all fit exactly like a chainsaw. The low speed screw Lo=low speed. the hi=high speed screw. These are 2 circuits that supply the motor but be aware that from the quarter throttle open to wide open the 2 circuits add up. I explain to you as a master mechanic with more than 45 years of experience in the field. I am certified, Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha Bombardier, Johnsered Stihl etc. I explain how to adjust your carburetor to perfection!!! start your engine and let it warm up to normal operating temperature for about 3-4 minutes. Let your engine idle because it is absolutely necessary to start by adjusting the LO screw in this way. What is needed is to find the rev peak by turning the lo screw very very slowly (to allow time for the motor to react) either clockwise or counter clockwise. clockwise and the regime will change. By turning the screw in one direction or the other find the point where the rpm will be the highest (always turn the screw lo and if the rpm is too high for idle, lower it to normal rpm with the throttle screw) and once the speed peak has been found, enrich (anti-clockwise) a quarter turn. For high revs do the same but be careful play quickly with the top screw because at high revs the engine reacts very quickly and leaving it too lean at high revs could damage it. Once you find the maximum RPM, add a quarter turn as you did for the low screw. If you listen to my advice, no one on this planet can do better than you. Ask any good chainsaw mechanic and they'll tell you I'm 200% right. I repeat the reason for starting with the lo speed screw is that at full speed the 2 circuits provide the total mixture then once the hi speed has been set if the person subsequently readjusts the lo speed by getting poorer (clock wise ) the total mixture WILL BE DECREASED. After a tank check the color of your spark plug spark plug best color is medium brown. The spark plug talk by by its color
@muckleyj
@muckleyj Жыл бұрын
you just go around watching youtube to tell people they are wrong? go make a video yourself and be helpful to someone.
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