TYT Hosts Debate Court Ruling On The Unhoused

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9 күн бұрын

The Supreme Court ruled today that cities can punish unhoused people for sleeping outside. Cenk Uygur, Jordan Uhl and Mayor Mondale Robinson discuss on The Young Turks. Help support our mission and get perks kzfaq.info...
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"The Supreme Court on Friday rejected a constitutional challenge to ordinances enacted by a small city in Oregon that punish homeless people for sleeping on public property when they have nowhere else to go.
The justices on a 6-3 vote on ideological lines with conservatives in the majority ruled in favor of the city of Grants Pass, saying the measures do not run afoul of the Constitution's Eighth Amendment, which bars cruel and unusual punishment."*
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@bovinityleak2066 7 күн бұрын

Making sleeping in your car a crime is criminal.

@MidNiteR32 6 күн бұрын

Only if you are homeless, if you’re a normal person, you won’t be punished.

@shawnsimmons1308 7 күн бұрын

So instead of waging war against poverty, conservatives would rather wage war against the poor. No one can ever say that conservatives aren’t consistent with their cruelty and inhumanity. Cruelty is their point.

@strongbad2016 6 күн бұрын

@@shawnsimmons1308 conservative dont wage wars against poor. Liberals are the ones initiating class wars

@fadingfrost2617 7 күн бұрын

Explain to me how jailing someone for a MONTH, after tossing everything they own in the world, is helping anyone?

@tiredbird471 7 күн бұрын

it's helping Karen make sure that her lawn stays clean. because Karen can't be bothered to look at the downtrodden and think that could be her someday when her husband buys a newer model from the high school down the road.

@samjordan5342 6 күн бұрын

Exactly. And that jail time will go on their criminal record and make it harder for them to find jobs.

@chop54321 6 күн бұрын

It’s helping a mother be able to take her kids tot he park without worrying about trash and needles from the nearby homeless people camping out there

@chop54321 6 күн бұрын

@@tiredbird471 How many homeless people do you let stay at your place??

@fadingfrost2617 2 күн бұрын

@@chop54321 but we are not talking about his home, or yours. We're talking about PUBLIC AREAS

@Corrigan65_ 7 күн бұрын

THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE!!!! Without being thrown into a cage

@Froward_Thinker 5 күн бұрын

And we have a right to live without stepping in their literal shit and worrying about our children finding their used needles!

@Corrigan65_ 5 күн бұрын

@@Froward_Thinker I concede your point. Saw a story on Gavin Newsome. Misuse of funds allocated to reduce homeless.

@MicahAzoulay 5 күн бұрын

The problem is you’re essentially being coerced by law into religious worship, Cenk. If your only way to not go to jail is go to church that’s unconstitutional.

@MWhaleK 5 күн бұрын

Cenk is starting with a false premise.

@DishonestTrack6 6 күн бұрын

So even if a homeless person has a job and is a taxpayer they can't sleep on the streets their taxes pay for. Wow welcome to America.

@rcpilot179 6 күн бұрын

It seems like it's getting harder to find affordable housing. I live in a small Oregon town. A studio apartment goes for $1,000 in a run-down hotel style building. What happens when that same garbage is $1,500 or more. Nobody is protecting us. My income went up 2% this year, but my rent went up 10%. I'm a disabled veteran. I don't have a lot of choices about my income...

@Aldarionz9 6 күн бұрын

public property should be for all citizens to have,homeless included. Its the fascists versus the democratic socialists.

@dreammatch2000 6 күн бұрын

*@DishonestTrack6* Thank you. I just posted something similar. It's amazing that Cenk kept emphasizing the homeless like nothing more than addicts and crazy people. What is this? Picking talking points from 1985? If Cenk just said he has a problem with encampment in public parks, then it would make sense on the why he feels on the Supreme Court ruling. It's frustrating to try to understand where he's coming from.

@Froward_Thinker 5 күн бұрын

If they have a job why would they be homeless?

@Froward_Thinker 5 күн бұрын

@@rcpilot179 I am buying a three bedroom, one bath, one car garage, and a massive yard for 900 a month.

@lynneanderson4255 7 күн бұрын

Without sleep for 3 or 4 days, people start to hallucinate. To deprive humans of sleep IS torture. I thought Cenk would be better on this.

@Code_Dee 6 күн бұрын

TYT is notoriously anti-homeless people and pro-incarceration, particularly Ana and Cenk

@nebbykoo 6 күн бұрын

I think criminalizing homelessness is a fascist move. It's undemocratic and cruel. I'm not surprised that America would call this a 'solution' , in this era of prosperity gospel and overt inequality.

@SeaSlug 6 күн бұрын

not being to sleep in my own car with a blanket is crazy

@MrRasaan77 6 күн бұрын

The problem is there criminalizing sleeping cars. So it's not just parks. These state governments need to stop letting Wall Street buy homes to sit empty.

@ZiggZagg11 6 күн бұрын

I often sleep in my car when I am traveling across the country... 👀 It is getting harder to do as a lot of states it is even illegal to sleep in a rest stop...

@Babu-kr3cr 6 күн бұрын

@@ZiggZagg11 Campgrounds are ridiculously expensive now also.

@alexricky87 6 күн бұрын

Why is Cenk so worried about PUBLIC parks? If all of the homeless people were sleeping in private parks then I would understand his insistence on them not sleeeping there, but these are PUBLIC parks which mean they can be used in any way the PUBLIC deems it. And besides he should know that a lot of people in GENERAL sleep at the park. He should also know that homeless people are homeless because of the 2008 financial crash, and the crash of the economy from covid so there are people out there who are having a horrible time and don't need criminal records or to be told to move off land that's reserved FOR THE PUBLIC.

@ZarlanTheGreen 6 күн бұрын

How anyone can think that Cenk is a progressive, or in any way a left winger, I will never understand.

@ray_donovan_v4 6 күн бұрын

What's absolutely sad is cities spend money to make benches or sitting spots uncomfortable to prevent people from sitting with "added architecture" Arresting people because theyre homeless is a fuckin shame.

@gb032645 6 күн бұрын

So, let's review: homelessness = illegal, bribing public officials and coup attempts = legal. Ain't Murica wonderful?

@en1324 6 күн бұрын

To be completely fair, instead of fining/jailing the unhoused folks, the local governments of the central government should be the ones who are fined/jailed. Housing is a basic human right to everyone, plain and simple.

@fadingfrost2617 7 күн бұрын

There is zero possibility of being sympathetic to homelessness while agreeing with this ruling in any way!

@philliphessel6788 5 күн бұрын

There’s a joke in which a passerby joins a fellow in searching for his keys beneath a streetlight. After a while, he asks, “Are you sure this is where you dropped them?” “Oh, no,” the fellow replies. “I dropped them up the street where it’s darker, but looking is easier here.” Stomping on people who’ve already been stomped on won’t actually improve your position, but it’s easier than taking on the bosses who are actually tightening the screws on you.

@nightwalkerscrypt 6 күн бұрын

The issue is the jails provide no aid to anyone. It is a revolving door. Our leaders don't want to spend the money to provide mental health care and housing.

@BlackandProud350 7 күн бұрын

Being poor is a criminal offense in America...Lord have mercy.

@crisdnomad4498 7 күн бұрын

No being a drug addicted nut case roaming the streets. Threatening people is a problem buddy

@davidbouchard8963 6 күн бұрын

How TF does Cenk not get this??

@misternobody3481 6 күн бұрын

Jobs don't pay living wages, and average housing cost has nearly doubled in the last 4 years. 40-60% of homeless people work full time, but just can't afford to live. Mandate affordable housing be built until it meets the needs of the community. No new homes or luxury apartments until everyone has the OPTION of having a place to live.

@slimdifference08 6 күн бұрын

Yes, yes, yes! This idea would get around the nimbyism.

@AndrewNewZealand 6 күн бұрын

I think it's bullshit, saying that if you're poor and homeless you have to let religious people dictate your beliefs in exchange for shelter. You're saying that if you're poor you're not allowed the dignity of your own beliefs?

@ravenward626 6 күн бұрын

Charity for it's own sake doesn't appear to be a christian value. It's like going to a time-share pitch for the free lunch.

@drmcclus 6 күн бұрын

So it's ok for the state to require you to be Christian if you want to sleep because people can lie? That's a really weak argument. As noted by you all, sleep deprivation is literally a torture technique, so in effect you are allowing the state to torture people into adopting a specific religion in some circumstances.

@Daniel-bn2lm 6 күн бұрын

Also several of these christian shelters limit their (the homeless) the ability to leave the area which also limits their opportunities to get a job. And sometimes they are forced to "volunteer work", which is just slavery with extra steps.

@Poppagee69 6 күн бұрын

If you are going to be inprisoned for landing on hard times when there is still inequality of wages to be able to pay rent and eat then people who are stuck in this position may as well get pew pews and pew pew these judges then they will at least be in jail for a crime .

@alexseioo610 6 күн бұрын

No hate like Christian love.

@nobiasjustfacts6250 6 күн бұрын

@3:40 Cenk asks if it's *torture* when people carrying *guns and electric shock devices* say to you "You can't sleep (in your park, your car, a hospital waiting room, a houseless shelter yard, a houseless shelter between 9 AM and 5PM . . .). *Intimidation? Yes*

@evanb4189 6 күн бұрын

It costs $40,000 to imprison someone for one year.

@Poppagee69 6 күн бұрын

Under $23,000 in Arkansas to over $307,000 in Massachusetts. The median cost across states is around $64,865 per prisoner annually. Google stats

@D.D.-ud9zt 6 күн бұрын

And for tough gang bangers its not a punishment at all.

@Code_Dee 6 күн бұрын

Literally cheaper to just give a homeless person a one-bedroom apartment + food and running water. We should do that anyway even if it was more expensive, it's just crazy that we're spending more while being less humane.

@fadingfrost2617 7 күн бұрын

The oral argument for this case included the prosecution of homeless for sleeping in their OWN vehicles, which, of course, were getting impounded, leaving the disadvantaged MUCH WORSE OFF

@ak102986 7 күн бұрын

The problem is there is never enough beds. I have been homeless before, unable to get into a shelter because they are full. This is insanity. It just makes being homeless harder and makes getting out of the cycle harder.

@TheAwesomeYouTuber1 6 күн бұрын

How are people supposed to pay their fines when they have no money.

@amitchandel1257 6 күн бұрын

Cenk is so obtuse sometimes it's hard to believe. There's a thing called human dignity whereby you don't degrade someone by imposing something on them, especially religion, to meet an essential human need. Also, when there are no more beds in the Christian shelter what then? If it's now criminal to sleep anywhere except a home or a shelter and they have neither, then they are being denied sleep - except in unsafe (dark, empty, completely deserted locations) or undignified conditions. It's grotesque to allow it to happen.

@dreammatch2000 6 күн бұрын

*@amitchandel1257* Ironically, Cenk knows that the economy is always up and down. If he put it within mathematical terms of ratio, it may be 4:1 to homelessness and a person who has a home. If Cenk saw some raw numbers about that, it wouldn't be an argument. I agree with him on investing in mental facilities, but the major factor he keep missing is there are homeless people who are mentally well and have jobs but still sleep in their cars or in the park. Plus, Jordan was reading from a study they did in Denver and one of participants was homeless for 10 years. It's independent populism running rough shot over at TYT.

@ProHero86 6 күн бұрын

Ana cheering so loudly it can be heard in space

@NStarks007 6 күн бұрын

Cenk lives in Cali. You won't hear a single kind word from anyone in LA about the homeless.

@freddyrodriguez4732 6 күн бұрын

here in Florida they’re hard to handle too. They take over streets, run prostitutes, harass people getting gas and so on

@dreammatch2000 6 күн бұрын

@@freddyrodriguez4732 Might as well run for President. Don't forget the orange paint and bad dye job.

@Poppagee69 6 күн бұрын

All part of the illuminati there and the cops there are all biker gang members , google police gangs in CA and Florida

@freddyrodriguez4732 6 күн бұрын

@@dreammatch2000 you cool with abusing people man? Harassing people, doing meth and being a pimp? Dat you

@tedkendrick9735 5 күн бұрын

TYT continues to pivot right 😢

@littletom1978 6 күн бұрын

"did you ever notice that we have no war on homelessness? You know why? Because there's no money in that problem. No money to be made off of the homeless. If you can find a solution to homelessness where the corporations and politicians can make a few million dollars each, you will see the streets of America begin to clear up pretty damn quick!" - George Carlin

@amercanmade2685 6 күн бұрын

That holds true for every issue we face. "Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door"

@alexanderthompson-rq7nx 6 күн бұрын

you make a good point.

@jinx.rhodes 4 күн бұрын

💘💘💘

@lillycurlyandmom 6 күн бұрын

If you don't want the homeless in public places, THEN HOUSE THEM‼️

@alexanderthompson-rq7nx 6 күн бұрын

yes

6 күн бұрын

@@alexanderthompson-rq7nx How man are you currently housing?

@lowboyyy 6 күн бұрын

they tried that,they tore the place all to shit and the cops had to be called there over a 100 times

@Aldarionz9 6 күн бұрын

@@lowboyyy maybe it should have been a rehab facility then instead depending on their mental health evaluation and past rental references.

@alexanderthompson-rq7nx 6 күн бұрын

kind of stupid what you said, it is about the community that should help them, not just one person, we should all help them, even if you keep silent on who you are. My family has helped many people over the last 50 years maybe you can take your own thoughts and actually live by them.

@AnarchyJesus 6 күн бұрын

even the animals get to sleep outside

@skycatlive1576 6 күн бұрын

Cant let matrix batteries sleep outside, that'd harm the war on the poor, letting poor people sleep

@lessiecarter8492 6 күн бұрын

I was homeless with kids with 2 jobs no addiction. There's a lot of homeless families, not enough homeless shelters so r we gonna lock all those parents up Cenk? Should I have lost my 2 jobs and been locked up? Split up my family Cenk? 60% of homeless have jobs. Ur very cruel. 😡😡😡😡😡😡

@runawaywolf2570 6 күн бұрын

Yeah, i found the whole video quite selective in the lens it uses to view homeless people. How would you have felt having your family lectured to about the goodness of god while you're sitting there needing a bed? A horrific take from Cenk.

@gregbolton1480 7 күн бұрын

Maybe SCOTUS should have to experience and live in homelessness for a month to personally expose their entitlement and cruel ruling..

@juliaskalla3979 7 күн бұрын

chenk should try it too

@Code_Dee 6 күн бұрын

Ironically it's much more expensive to put poor people in jail than it is to just give them food and permanent housing

@Froward_Thinker 5 күн бұрын

Based on what? Because what you just said is an absolute lie.

@Code_Dee 5 күн бұрын

@@Froward_Thinker It is true, but is it your position that if it costs less to just throw homeless people in jail that we should do that? Hey how about we make them do labor while they're in jail, then people can actually make money off of them! Yeah slavery, that's how we solve homelessness. I don't know if I can link the article from the Guardian where they go into this so I'll give the highlights and link in a different comment: To put a person in jail for a year is about 48K. They examined a program to provide housing where the cost was about 16K a year per person, so 30k cheaper. They're probably not counting food and utilities, so that's another 15-20K a year, still cheaper by over 10 grand than putting people in jail.

@Froward_Thinker 5 күн бұрын

@@Code_Dee no it isn't true. Following the policies you are prescribing costs as much for one homeless person as it does to jail 5. Instead of making homeless people normal peoples problems do something to fix the issue! Without taking all of the peoples money to do so!

@Froward_Thinker 5 күн бұрын

@@Code_Dee 20k plus 30k is 50k genius!

@Code_Dee 4 күн бұрын

@@Froward_Thinker You didn't follow the math lol. Are you a bot?

@hmmmIMHO 6 күн бұрын

No it does not mean you can’t prevent homeless camping in parks. You pass laws against camping in certain parks. You also assume housing is available if they are willing to “listen to prayers”..it absolutely is not. You are also assuming all homeless aren’t working. Many homeless here actually work but no affordable housing is available for them in this city. They simply can’t afford anything. Most homeless shelters also kick everyone out during daylight hours but do not provide secure places to leave their belongings. At least in camps they can get someone else to guard their belongings while they GO TO WORK. They can’t take everything they own on the bus or to jobs. You are very, very ignorant about the homeless in this country. Maybe invite some people that actually work with the homeless from different cities in different regions of the country. Many have mental health issues, can’t hold down a job, and just get kicked out of one apartment after another. They often collect disability but either disturb other residents, scare other residents, or are to mentally unable to function and don’t pay their rent or cause damage. Others are on drugs or alcoholics. If high or drink a shelter isn’t going to let you in at night. Others might be women fleeing abusive relationships with no money. If they were not actively beaten some women’s shelters may not take them if they don’t have kids. But that boyfriend or spouse may have controlled all the money and not let them work or have a car. Some may be foster kids that aged out and don’t have family to help if they need help. I have met old farmers that lost their farm because of a wife’s hospital bills. I have met 62 year old women living in holes in the ground they dug out because they can’t find work, and aren’t old enough for social security. You seem to be under the false belief that they all do have places they can go to sleep if they get try harder or listen to a sermon. That is 100% wrong. You also can’t sign up for many relief benefits because you don’t have an address. You can’t renew your drivers license or state ID because they only mail them to addresses. You can’t get many jobs without an ID. You can’t get a job if you can’t wash your clothes and bath. Homelessness is like quicksand - it is hard to get out of and just gets harder the longer you are homeless. Many hotels/motels here refuse to let locals have rooms. People with good jobs and actual homes can’t get a local hotel room to use the pool, or if they are having some work done on their home. You also can’t get a hotel room even someplace cheap without ID and a credit card - homeless people rarely have credit cards and often don’t have IDs.

@fadingfrost2617 2 күн бұрын

@@hmmmIMHO THANK YOU! HOPE THEY BOTHER TO READ AND BELIEVE- then CARE!

@fuadabdelkadir6572 7 күн бұрын

If you want to do that stop giving to Israel three billion dollars every year and build a house for Americans homeless people

@RockySeay 7 күн бұрын

No.

@amercanmade2685 6 күн бұрын

How about we deport the millions of illegal aliens and use that money on American Citizens?

6 күн бұрын

Less money than they spend on illegals every year, how about we start there.

@jinx.rhodes 4 күн бұрын

Yes!!! 🙌🏼

@ASaund-qb6wy 6 күн бұрын

We already knew reich-wingers don't believe there can be cruel and unusual punishment.

@user-we2eh5oc3o 6 күн бұрын

I just wonder who anyone thinks a homeless person can pay a fine. It will cost that city money to house those people in jail.

@joshbanks9261 7 күн бұрын

Many are working just can't afford rent in many cities in America. If you lose your job then you could end up on the street. If you don't have an address how can you find a job?

@juliaskalla3979 7 күн бұрын

just found out my one bedroom is now 1600

@amercanmade2685 6 күн бұрын

@@juliaskalla3979 If you can afford that fine if you can then I am sure there are a lot less expensive places you can live. People buy pr build Apartment buildings to rent. And they charge whatever they want. If you moved out how long do you think your place would remain empty? This is America you nor the Goverment has the power to dictate to us what to charge. The market will decide that. it is called free enterprise or Capitalism. And it works. A hell of a lot better then Communism or Socialism.

@Steve-hq4fm 5 күн бұрын

The Bible doesn't tell Christians to only help other Christians, it tells Christians to help THE POOR!!!

@jeffr9854 5 күн бұрын

No but it does say if a man won’t work neither should he eat. There’s no requirement for Christian’s to care for a person that refuses to do his part. There’s helping people but in the process you shouldn’t become a enabler

@Steve-hq4fm 5 күн бұрын

@@jeffr9854 Yes, but they're trying to make going to church, like a good Christian should, as a prerequisite to be helped!! That is not a very Christian thing to do! I thought we stopped doing that shit 400 years ago!!

@user-ku7jn6fc6g 5 күн бұрын

@@jeffr9854 And you know that a homeless person is just refusing to work HOW exactly? And no, there is no Bible verse about not helping people who won't help themselves. Go ahead and quote that Bible verse. I dare you. It doesn't exist.

@user-ku7jn6fc6g 5 күн бұрын

@@Steve-hq4fm He's full of it. There is no Bible verse that says to not help people who won't help themselves. Certainly not from Christ or the New Testament.

@jeffr9854 5 күн бұрын

@@user-ku7jn6fc6g 2 thesaloneans 3:10

@JRDWoodz 5 күн бұрын

Genk, if there is no room in homeless shelters and it's illegal to sleep in public areas, where do you expect them to sleep? It shouldn't be a crime to be poor. If you don't want people sleeping in parks, then pressure the government to give them somewhere to sleep, don't punish the people who have nowhere else to go.

@MWhaleK 5 күн бұрын

Exactly!! Finland ended homelessness and other nations have greatly reduced the amount of homelessness.

@handsuporillshoot381 6 күн бұрын

Use National parks to house the homeless.

@vandal280 2 күн бұрын

Is it torture to prevent someone from sleeping? Absolutely it is. 1000% Until we actually create a place for them to be legally, criminalizing sleeping outside is definitely definitely definitely torture and a violation of the 8th Amendment

@toddmetzger 3 күн бұрын

It also means that if you're tired while driving and just need a nap. You can't pull over, park and grab a little sleep, without potential threat of a ticket, fine, or arrest and jail.

@surfcathy 6 күн бұрын

This is the exact opposite of what Jesus would do !!! Are these Supreme Court judges going to Hell ???

@darksparkle9849 6 күн бұрын

It’s interesting and deeply sad to watch TYT / Cenk and Ana slide right on some issues. At least there are still some hosts firmly on the left to challenge them as seen here.

@wendwllhickey6426 6 күн бұрын

No one wants government housing near them cause it will devalue there property, that's the problem.

@wendwllhickey6426 6 күн бұрын

No body wants houses built unless there mansion so rich people move in ,and keep there property values hi

@dreammatch2000 6 күн бұрын

@@wendwllhickey6426 Not much of a stretch. If that's the case, TYT owes Dave Chappelle an apology when he tried to do something similar the year before last with his property.

@slimdifference08 6 күн бұрын

@@wendwllhickey6426nimbyism

@kjhuang 6 күн бұрын

Saying the government should have no laws and let people sleep wherever they want is left-wing now? If anything it sounds libertarian.

@danielberg7644 7 күн бұрын

I worked in a Christian based homeless shelter and no one was required to be Christian. Stop the lies and misinformation.

@surfghost9121 7 күн бұрын

Or your center doesn't represent all of them?

@heathenshaunt681 6 күн бұрын

@@danielberg7644 I have been to a salvation army that would definitely treat you differently if you don't go to their service so quit saying uou know all are a certain way because we know otherwise I have even saw one place who forced you to hand over all your valuables and items on you to go in then they would actually frisk you and you were not allowed back out unless you left and couldn't get back in

@danielberg7644 6 күн бұрын

@@heathenshaunt681 I never worked for the Salvation army. I did work for a few Christian charitable organizations during my long career in the nonprofit sector and none of them ever required anyone to attend church. Chapel services were provided in most of the them and attendance was always just optional. We did have metal detector wands and asked residents to empty pockets for safety of the residents and staff. We had shared spaces and weapons were not allowed.

@Froward_Thinker 5 күн бұрын

@@heathenshaunt681 he didn't say anything about not going to a service. He said you didn't have to be Christian. You don't know the difference?

@heathenshaunt681 5 күн бұрын

@@Froward_Thinker learn to read and understand what your talking about before you open your mouth I'm calling bullshit because I have saw many places that wanted to convert you and required you to attend or accept their on the spot religion which is not wanted by many people

@shareefkillings5343 4 күн бұрын

Even sleeping in ya car. Cenk can't be serious

@prophetseven728 10 сағат бұрын

At least with a car they can move it. It the ones that never move and have ton of trash piled up on top of it. That it is an issue.

@stormthrush37 7 күн бұрын

The hilarious/sad part is prisoners convicted of crimes have more rights to housing, food, and other services than people who are merely poor.

@Vasilia4 6 күн бұрын

Duh. They're literally forced to be there. How are they supposed to feed themselves?

@stormthrush37 6 күн бұрын

@@Vasilia4 You're missing my point. My point is people whose only crime is being poor are treated worse than people who have actually committed serious crimes.

@Froward_Thinker 5 күн бұрын

What does this even mean?

@Xioxermi2024 6 күн бұрын

Cruel law that does not take into account of the hardship of people who cannot afford to rent due to losing a job, sickness, choosy landlord, rent inflation or other unavoidable factors

@Poppagee69 6 күн бұрын

Arm the homeless , this will change quick , damn there is around 40 000 homeless veterans in America

@LAlonzo70 6 күн бұрын

the condition of homelessness is dire and complex, many suffer from addiction and mental health challenges... Sotomayor is correct, using the police and courts is not a solution AND they are homeless because we have failed them, we have not provided enough housing, drug treatment programs and mental health counseling... the disease of capitalism blames these individuals for their condition, it is actually this framework that allows and promotes homelessness. For our common good, we need to invest in human beings, and the issues they struggle with...

@Realone2900 6 күн бұрын

Getting us primed for authoritarian rule.

@neondystopian 6 күн бұрын

We could take the money being sent to Ukraine and Israel and build housing for the homeless.

@TheGrindcorps 6 күн бұрын

You antisemitic Putin bot… /s

@ravenward626 6 күн бұрын

Not a lot of money actually gets sent. It's mostly paid out in surplus combat systems and ammunition. The void these donations make in the domestic stockpile are then back filled using the defense budget spending. So when the state department sends billions of "dollars" to a country in military aid, most of that money finds it's way into the cash flows of US defense contractors. The shareholders of Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin, Boeing, etc. are the primary monetary beneficiaries of such military aid packages.

@neondystopian 6 күн бұрын

@@ravenward626 well, thanks for the explanation but we can still take that money and apply it to the homeless, instead.

@Code_Dee 6 күн бұрын

@@neondystopian How bout no more private space flights by billionaires until we're at zero homeless people

@matstone9705 7 күн бұрын

11:13 THIS! sometime I feel like Cenk disagrees for clicks. He's a very smart guy and he's not great at playing dumb

@dankafuba 6 күн бұрын

He did it whrn ok but he knows a lot aboutvit the subject i think not hes domb person actually smart

@bubbaliciousfisheyes 7 күн бұрын

The ruling literally said that no options have to be provided. That's the problem. You can't sleep on the street, and you won't be provided a place to sleep. So now mental illness can explode due to chronic sleep depravation. This ruling just made us all less safe.

@MrRhinosilver 6 күн бұрын

I live in Los Angeles and if homelessness went down we didn’t notice. The homeless people are running crazy in Los Angeles.

@Corrigan65_ 7 күн бұрын

A lot of those homeless are veterans. Thank you for your service, now the SUV with the yellow ribbon sticker is going to yell at you while they drive by. Anybody remember the point Sylvester Stallone was making with first blood? Even if you do, republicans older than me certainly don't

@Andreravone 6 күн бұрын

Why isn't the solution to have more government funded shelters???

@GraceLeeHeart 6 күн бұрын

Some people have to sleep in cars or vans or RVs that’s THEIR property.

@vietimports 6 күн бұрын

pretty sure one of the questions one of the liberals asked was what is the difference between a homeless person sleeping in a park and a regular person taking a nap in a park. in both cases, technically, the police can haul you off to jail lmao

@slimdifference08 6 күн бұрын

Sonia Sotomayor posed a question in line with your premise as part of the oral argument. She noted that the city is not going to be targeting people who are interested in astronomy who take a blanket and go sleep in the park at night as much as they're going to be surgically targeting people who look like they're homeless. This is the concern.

@Code_Dee 6 күн бұрын

The difference is the cop will ask you if you have a home and if you don't you go to jail

@vietimports 6 күн бұрын

@@Code_Dee show me your papers. next thing you know they'll be making dark skinned people illegal too

@vietimports 6 күн бұрын

@@slimdifference08 so this is like one step before racial profiling?

@davidhand9721 7 күн бұрын

How do people not see the catch 22 here? You can't keep stacking fines on someone until they finally can afford a rent check. You can't jail them until they move on. It's like they just want the homeless to disappear by magic. They wish they didn't exist, and that is all the effort they're willing to put in.

@nicoled5160 Күн бұрын

@cenk Homeless worker for decades: you’re 98% right. Public space is for all people to share, not for some to declare theirs. This destroys neighbourhoods. BUT There needs to be an investment that takes over small hotels and turns it into supportive housing. Transitory housing. Not jail, rehab or a human warehouse. Shelters are hell holes and I would choose a tent over a shelter. Many have been traumatized by religion and should be able To avoid it. These organizations pay the people at the top sunshine list salaries and are “actors” in terms of social justice. They pay their workers near minimum wage. America doesn’t like trailer parks or transitional housing, but these transitory options need to be available. This still doesn’t mean that all public space is a new campground. That’s absurd. It impacts the mental health of apartment dwellers and communities. Most people can’t afford to live downtown in expensive districts. Yet, someone can set up a tent anywhere? They can suck it up with the rest of the people and move from the city center into designated areas with outhouses and showers. Maybe a campground. The cities must do more for supportive housing because the average landlord isn’t going to rent to people clearly dishevelled and addicted. Allow places people can park and sleep in vehicles with power. Furthermore, shelters are more expensive than supportive housing for labour costs as violence increases as you cram too many people into small areas. Often $3k a head per month. Supportive housing gives them rules/structure and support on site and some people really really really need structure with leniency. It forces them to use a portion of their assistance on housing so they have to choose between food, clothing, essentials and drugs. On check day many blow their entire cheque in 2-3 days enough that every emergency worker and community worker plans for the end of month chaos. A kitchen on site of supportive housing with cheap meals $3. Community gardens. Things to build community. Coop meetings. Shelters: insanity making especially for introverts. Tents = private space which is essential to many to even sleep. Maybe make a free campground outside of cities with supports on site temporarily. Such as addiction workers with naloxone. Many apartment dwellers with homes rely on parks for their wellbeing. They are places for everyone to connect with outdoors and community. Parents need to be able to let kids go To the park. People allowing this homelessness taking over neighnourhood outdoor space aren’t helping these people at all. Until these options of transitional housing are available, it is perhaps unjust to expect people to live in a privacy free loud violent place as crowded as prison. Human beings need privacy for their mental health and stability. They also need community.

@tedkendrick9735 5 күн бұрын

Cenk is conservative

@shawnrisley2404 7 күн бұрын

Viva, Justice Sotomayor!

@user-mw9yh4cu2i 7 күн бұрын

Her words mean nothing, womp womp

@LisaDolan-n3o 6 күн бұрын

Valuing a public park for use of people who already have a home, over another human’s ability to rest after their day of being homeless is wild. If that’s what it takes to put the problem in the citizen’s faces so that they actually come up with a solution, so be it. Love the show and with you most of the time, but disappointed on this take.

@himynameisjohn 5 күн бұрын

I feel like Cenk (and Ana) take a right-wing turn whenever they feel inconvenienced. I think that's why Ana is always going on and on about crime, because she feels scared going out with high crime rates. And here, notice how many times Cenk brought up them "taking over all the parks!" I imagine he's thinking about how he'd like to take his kids to the park but he can't because of homeless encampments

@alokchaubey3697 5 күн бұрын

Who funds the maintenance of these parks public tax payers your policies are made for making public hatred against you

@jeffanderson1708 4 күн бұрын

Not cruel? Are they going to be cavity searched? Handcuffed? Etc....

@gr8vbplaya18 6 күн бұрын

Not sure what happened to Cenk and Ana. Both have made the turn to being disgusted by homeless people.

@chop54321 6 күн бұрын

So are you, you just pretend you aren’t

@gr8vbplaya18 6 күн бұрын

@@chop54321Because you know me so well? No. I'm against the SCOTUS ruling. Criminalizing homelessness isn't going to fix the problem. Dealing with the homeless needs a multi-pronged approach. You need affordable housing, you need to raise wages, you need more affordable mental healthcare etc. Just fining people who already have no money is stupid. It's an excuse to arrest them. That's NOT what we should be doing.

@chop54321 6 күн бұрын

@@gr8vbplaya18 Why don’t you let homeless person move in with you for free?? Do your part in providing some affordable housing for them.

@frank-vt8yf 6 күн бұрын

@@chop54321that's as idiotic as saying someone who rides a plane can't complain about climate change or someone with money can't complain about capitalism. The point is to hold systems and institutions responsible, not an individual.

@kjhuang 6 күн бұрын

@@frank-vt8yfchop's point is that a person can feel free to advocate for a policy position so long as they're personally insulated from the negative consequences of that policy. For me, I think the insanity of carte blanche allowing anyone to sleep anywhere any time should be obvious, but apparently it isn't for 90 percent of the comments section, and my guess is that these commenters live in ivory towers where they don't see homeless people on a regular basis.

@juliaskalla3979 7 күн бұрын

i got arrested for feeding homless

@ralliepoint1505 7 күн бұрын

😮 I’m sorry

@jinx.rhodes 4 күн бұрын

Thank you kindly 💘

@jinx.rhodes 4 күн бұрын

When’s the last time Cenk went to a park?

@Equ1n0x88 3 күн бұрын

"Unhoused" ... just call them homeless

@zartanicus 6 күн бұрын

when speaking about this topic we need to make distinctions between normal ppl with bad circumstances and mentally ill addicts. we cant lump them together.

@confusiondelusion4569 4 күн бұрын

The taxpayer will be paying for the jailing of homeless??? How will they pay fines?? Unpaid fines=jail time=cycle. Jail isn't cruel? Have you been?

@juliaskalla3979 7 күн бұрын

Chenk you are a millionaire living in a plush house in california and it is no surprise the landed gentry, executive class want to tell us poors how to live our lives. i would love to see you experience a smidge of what they go through in a day you would breakdown

@tylerharris4392 6 күн бұрын

these homeless people might as well flee to the woods

@christyann1201 6 күн бұрын

That will become illegal too.

@nobiasjustfacts6250 6 күн бұрын

Sadly, they do.

@Code_Dee 6 күн бұрын

Then how long before Ana Karensparian goes on a hike and encounters somebody living in the woods, feels "unsafe" and demands the woods be cleared as well... It's just never ending "get them out of my sight" mentality, they don't care if people are imprisoned or whatever, as long as they aren't burdened with the sight of people living in abject poverty

@user-sp8pu3dk7x 6 күн бұрын

They're not saying it's illegal just to sleep in the park they're saying it's illegal to sleep in your car anywhere anywhere is illegal so basically they're saying it's illegal to sleep so yes that is torture it's called sleep deprivation and it's used as a form of torture

@vidzkid76 Күн бұрын

Shit take. The answer is making sure people can't become unsheltered in the first place. As for those who currently are, we need major programs to shelter them, care for their needs and help them regain their lives. This binary of jail or "let them take over parks?" F OFF! And this bs framing of mental illness and addiction is so tired and wrong. More than half of unhoused have jobs.

@johnmunroe3077 5 күн бұрын

How could you exclude Kasparian from this convo?? No one hates homeless people like she does!

@davidmeadows5627 5 күн бұрын

She doesn't hate anyone. What are you talking about?

@johnmunroe3077 5 күн бұрын

@@davidmeadows5627 she’s been advocating anti-homeless measures for a while now. It’s clearly part of her developing “left the left” narrative.

@DakotaFord592 4 күн бұрын

@@davidmeadows5627I love Anna but she has changed over the years. Idk. Maybe she's just getting older or more cynical.

@royboy4571 3 күн бұрын

Cenk, I wanna help them. Leads with the strawman, homeless people taking over our parks. YUK !

@Seanginty1 6 күн бұрын

Plus, making this a policing issue adds greater barriers to exiting homelessness. How does giving people fines they aren't able to pay help them scrape together the money they would need to exit homelessness? I hear you Cenk, but it's up to the cities to provide the necessary resources to get people housed if they don't want homeless encampments taking over. I work with homeless people, and yes, some people feel so excluded from housed experience that they may feel that they prefer to be on the streets. It takes more time and care to help them, but the majority would happily choose to be housed if they had the chance. It is cruel and unusual to heap punishments on people whose lives are already torturous.

@shawna1278 4 күн бұрын

It is cruel and unusual, citing the fact that you can't sleep in your car, and if you do, you can't have any kind of pillow or blanket. They are in Oregon, not south Arizona (where it was 111 the other day). People can, and do freeze to death. I argue they are using weather as a torture device, because if they try to warm themselves, or comfort themselves, they get arrested and fined. It is cruel to fine someone without any assets or path to afford the fines and living. I also didn't hear anyone mention the fact that there are many homeless students and workers. The working poor and unhoused is a huge population. Also, Rev. Barber's Poor People's Campaign/movement has real solutions. 600 people die everyday from poverty!!! It's nuts!

@handsuporillshoot381 6 күн бұрын

Use golf courses to house the homeless.

@553apparel8 4 күн бұрын

As a long time supporter of TYT...unless you have experience homelessness directly, don't ever say "that will never happen to me"

@williamryder5021 23 сағат бұрын

Facts it can and does happen to anyone. I've been homeless. And now at the highest point in my life I fear it again. It's terrifying. Working two jobs to keep my house. Lack of sleep. Drowning in piling bills. Savings depleted. Just waiting for that one more thing that could know my house of cards down and doing everything I can to prevent it. I don't wanna loose everything. Again.. and it shouldn't be this way. I have family facing the same thing. My aunt fighting cancer, trying not to stay homeless herself. Somethings gotta give...

@royboy4571 3 күн бұрын

The fact the USA supreme court would rule on this, is a sad indictment on the state of the USA. But worst, TYT, is debating this, as if it is debatable. Its not a crime, its a societal issue, generally a health issue or economic.

@youknow9092 6 күн бұрын

I completely disagree, it is not the government’s job to help you or even build housing for you.

@EgoSumAbbas820 6 күн бұрын

I hate to burst your bubble, but even you have benefitted from government assistance.

@youknow9092 6 күн бұрын

@@EgoSumAbbas820 I have no issues with government assistance, but nobody has a right for the government to provide housing.

@GeorgeVaaeth-kc9wc 6 күн бұрын

I believe it is the governments job to see that the people that they represent have someplace to sleep among other human needs.

@EgoSumAbbas820 6 күн бұрын

@@youknow9092 The people who live in government-provided housing on military bases would like to have a word with you.

@EgoSumAbbas820 6 күн бұрын

@@youknow9092 "I have no issues with government assistance..." However, in your OP you said "it is not the government’s job to help you." Which is it?

@JaceTez 3 күн бұрын

so we will have to build more jails and holding facilities for individuals that have done no crime just sleep....

@philliphessel6788 6 күн бұрын

The crime of sleeping in a car of course does not apply to Justice Clarence Thomas in his 40-foot Prevost Le Mirage XL Marathon. That luxury RV was purchased with a $267,000 ‘loan’ from Anthony “Tony” Welters, a healthcare executive who evidently turned most all of it into a gift. (Per testimony by Welters, that was after nine years of interest-only payments.) One law for the rich, another for the rest: and see who makes the laws …

@TheLastLineLive 4 күн бұрын

So where are they gonna get fines from if they’re homeless? Not like they’re swimming in cash. It’s no wonder our country is in so much debt, we keep only shaking down those that barely have a penny to their name.

@williamryder5021 23 сағат бұрын

It's true my friends from high school that were homeless for a bit (housed now) were constantly getting fined for essentially being homeless. And they were good about it. They had ymxa membership to go workout and shower. Used the laundry mat. Lived in their van. Didn't leave messes where they parked. Went on drugs. Good people. - but when you are drowning in fines and a criminal record from homelessness they fail to realize it stops you from climbing back up, business don't want to hire you. People won't want to rent to you. Or you can't have your ID or license back we need you to pay all theese fines for sleeping in your car first. It's pure crazyness.

@prophetseven728 10 сағат бұрын

Same place they get their money from to buy their Drugs. And you be shocked at how much homeless make in Cash. Some even take home $300-$500 a day. Seen them with wades of cash.

@saints16o5o87 5 күн бұрын

Land of the free and home of the depraved.

@runawaywolf2570 6 күн бұрын

All three of the hosts attitudes to this topic are a little odd. From left to right, left is pro sleeping in parks, Cenk doesn't want the parks overrun and thinks swallowing your dignity and being subject to Christian doctrine is an acceptable trade-off for a bed, and the other guy things UBI and support programs to help those with addictions and medical requirements will solve the issue. However, none of the hosts acknowledged that not all homelessness is a result of some form of addiction or mental impairment. Folks who miss rent payment getting booted from their house with no prior warning. Gay kids who get kicked out of their family house due to ideological parents? Where do they all go? The streets and parks if they aren't fortunate to have someone else, that's where. (Those few examples are nowhere near an exhaustive list either.) I've had a friend who slept in their car outside their work because their job at walmart wasn't sufficient to afford even a shitty apartment for themselves. They are neither an addict or medically impaired. You all live in the USA. You KNOW what the problems are. Exorbitant housing prices, wages that almost never meet that halfway, in a job market where not everyone gets the "luxury" of having one in the first place. Everyone's combating various debts at all times which compound the issue. Do you think folks who don't meet those criteria just all find a couch to surf on? It's not that simple. You all know that, but again, no mention. There's virtually no social safety net in the US, with people prioritising prison over prevention. Where is the emergency housing for folks having a tough time? Nowhere, that's where. That's why your parks and alleyways are "overrun" with homeless people. "What about muh parks!" Where's the secure housing? "just say Jesus is great to get yourself a bed" Do they not deserve to keep a shred of the dignity they might still have? "Encampments might foster community." Really? REALLY? I've seen that episode of DS9 - Sanctuary i believe it's called. See how that went. They do make the point that punishing homelessness results in a descending spiral so at least they touch on that. The solution doesn't necessarily need a full UBI to work and it shouldn't require losing public parks to the homeless - conservatives will be thrilled. It SHOULD require investment in infrastructure, suitable places off the street to sleep and a small allowance for food assuming they aren't stuck with unreasonable rent. Just enough to allow them to clean themselves up, not panic about immediately starving and then - just maybe they can start handing out resumes for work. Hell the local governments could maybe use some of that budget they gave to the police to build some cheap housing, hostels perhaps (but lose the religious berating, if god gave a damn no-one would be homeless so spare them from the indignity). It's so simple, but there is no will to fix the real issues. There is however plenty of will to see innocent people be harmed though. Makes me sick. This was not a good video in my opinion. It doesn't really show any of you in a positive, understanding light. Sorry guys.

@lizardman1303 6 күн бұрын

They already built it’s called jail . We already had ubi during covid and it failed . People made thousands more dollars than they ever had . It doesn’t matter ow much free money u give people who don’t know how to manage money .

@fingerfeller 6 күн бұрын

the christian answer would devolve into abuse and criminal activity upon the housed , as it always does, i mean who is going to monitor a christian homeless shelter

@runawaywolf2570 6 күн бұрын

@@fingerfeller Right? Of course, i'm sure there are plenty of responsible Christian establishments that mean well, but for the benefit of the doubt, i'd much rather it was operated without ulterior motives, religious or otherwise. These people need reliable assistance, not conditional stop gaps. Some governmental program designed to get people back into work that isn't punitive. Whether they be drug addicts, medically impaired or just had a shit bout of luck. Have an appropriate system to deal with various needs set up in advance and no-one will be sat debating over public parks.

@ish7957 4 күн бұрын

@lizardman1303 UBI during covid but it failed??? Any evidence of this claim? How did it fail?

@lizardman1303 4 күн бұрын

@@ish7957 their many articles people losing them housing during that time . This was a time when they made more then the ever had and still couldn’t get ahead . The only people who got ahead were the ones who were already ahead because they know how to budget their money . I could invest money or put money into my house that’s why home improvements stores did so well during that time . Poor people wasted their money on shoes and bigger TVs .

@ilikeducksable 6 күн бұрын

Ok, but defecating and urinating is also a basic human biological function, and we can’t just do that in public on the sidewalk. You could say that defecating and urinating are different, because it causes harm for others, but isn’t that also the point of homeless people sleeping in public places, that it causes harm to others? No one is banning homeless people from breathing in public, because that doesn’t cause harm to others. We can debate in what situations that homeless people sleeping in parks rises to a point that causes harm (ex 1 guy vs a whole tent encampment that is a drug market and takes over the park), but the central question here is whether or not communities are allowed to make that determination. I don’t think this is really about this specific community and the thing with the church beds and what determination they made, i.e. the question is not “do you agree with this law that this specific community has?” but “is this type of law even allowed?”

@kjhuang 5 күн бұрын

Congratulations. You're the first commenter I've seen here with a working brain. Everyone else here is just jerking off to their perceptions of their own righteousness.

@whiteknight9429 6 күн бұрын

I would have to say Cenk is wrong because the justices are not creating new policies or laws. Rather they interpreting policies (laws) that are vague or ambiguous. In grant's pass, this interpretation of sleeping outside as a crime is cruel and unusual because that city does not have enough beds for the current homeless population. To say the judicial system as being part of the government should do something about homelessness isn't possible because they are not involved in city planning nor are they legislators or a part of the executive branch. Forcing the city to make beds would be better than giving each homeless person jail time, fines, or criminal records.

@stevemiller4494 6 күн бұрын

As much as most of these cities waste their spending on too many cops, or overly expensive police cars, and $45,000 for a speed Cameron machine and all of the other little pet projects that each and every city WASTED they could put easily a warehouse that can hold in each City up to 50 people bigger cities Richard cities could do a whole hell of a lot more.... And yes it's cruel and unusual punishment.

@neondystopian 6 күн бұрын

Instead of giving housing and debit cards to illegal immigrants, why not give them to the homeless?

@jinx.rhodes 4 күн бұрын

What does that even mean? 🤔