U.S. NAVY MAIN BATTERY FIRE CONTROL NAVAL GUNFIRE TRAINING FILM 81600

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Made in 1954, this U.S. Navy film shows the main battery fire control procedures aboard a heavy cruiser or battleship. The film shows a target being acquired, general quarters being sounded (1:30), and the general alarm being sounded (1:50). At 2:00, the fire control procedures are shown as the ship prepares to fire its main battery. The bridge, combat information center, control forward (location of the gunnery officer), and control aft are shown. Spot one and two are shown at 3:19, as well as the battery control director, which can fix the location of enemy targets. The Main Battery Targeting room is shown at 3:37. At 7:16, the Main Battery Officer gives the order to make a primary attack using a given fire control set-up. At 9;35, the sight angle and deflection as well as other values received from the plotting room are input, to align the turret with the target. At 12:22, the order to shoot is given and the results assessed. Salvos are now launched and at 13:00, rapid loading of the guns is seen with ammunition bags and shells being quickly moved into position and guns fired when ready. At 16:00 the ship secures from general quarters and the target is pronounced destroyed.
This film is part of the Periscope Film LLC archive, one of the largest historic military, transportation, and aviation stock footage collections in the USA. Entirely film backed, this material is available for licensing in 24p HD. For more information visit www.PeriscopeFilm.com

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@patton303 Жыл бұрын

These defense training films kept studio orchestra musicians gainfully employed for decades.

@cliphound80 3 ай бұрын

A Baltimore-Class heavy cruiser! They sported nine 8"/55 caliber main guns in 3 triple turrets. They faithfully and proudly served the US Navy in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam, in the latter the USS St. Paul the USS Newport News ended their days as the last two 8"/55 gun heavy cruisers in the US Navy, and provided gunfire support for troops ashore and struck hard at targets in North Vietnam. Four Baltimore-Class ships were later converted into the Boston and Albany-Class guided missile cruisers.

@frogisis 5 ай бұрын

I always think about how people had to _figure all this out._ That "Battle Bill" book isn't a stone tablet that descended from on high (not literally, anyway), humans had to sit down and decide how to write it-Imagine all the discussions and arguments people must have had about who talks to whom and when about what, and all the catastrophes and casualties and ones-that-got-away that spurred them to change their procedures.

@barneylinet6602 11 ай бұрын

I visited USS Alabama, a WWII battleship. Went inside one of the 16" turrets. What seems to be huge on the outside, is very cramped on the inside. You had better be exactly where you need to be, or you will be squashed like a bug. I peeked through the turret optical range-finder....It felt like a sleeping giant had just opened an eye. Uss Alabama is berthed in Mobile Bay.

@joedidit3233 6 жыл бұрын

I served aboard a heavy cruiser during the Vietnam war. The film is accurate, but the we didn't speak over our sound powered phones in the way these guys do in the film. They sound robotic as if trying to adhere to a script. We said essentially the same things, but in a much more natural and faster way. When they would report that they had switched their turrets or mounts into "automatic" we would instead say "auto". We did everything they did, but we spoke much more causally because it was everyday and routine to us. These guys sound much more serious and formal. This was apparently on the USS Burlingame, CA-905 whereas my ship was the USS Saint Paul, CA-73.

@tonytrotta9322 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service! I saw the USS Saint Paul in Bremerton, Washington in 1976 next to the USS Canberra and USS Missouri. They were in Mothballs at that time. We could not board the Missouri for they closed it for the next day they towed it into the bay and filmed the MaCarthur movie.

@DjigitDaniel 5 жыл бұрын

TRADOC film, naturally it's unnatural for an experienced salt like you. :-)

@frednesbittjr.7862 5 жыл бұрын

It's a training film, Joe. Notice the turrets move butt the Director is always looking Forward. They must have painted the targets on that miserable Mk-10's 3-inch screen... BTW: You might like my book..."A FamilyGram From Vietnam" ...check it out on Amazon or Kindle. Fred "Foxx" Nesbitt, FTG-2, SS.

@colinsdad1 5 жыл бұрын

Mr.Didit- First off, as a third generation Veteran, Thank You for your service! Second, a BIG Thank You for possibly saving my Dad's ass in Nam- he was in a grunt unit (11 Bravo) from 69-70. I thought this film was quite scripted as well, but, you pretty much filled in those blanks I had about Procedure on Ship. I'm assuming this system was similar between say, Iowa Class and your heavy cruiser. I believe the ONLY difference would be rate of fire with the Main Battery, correct??

@mcgee66p 5 жыл бұрын

My dad served on the sister ship to the Saint Paul, USS Helena, CA75. He loved that ship.

@JayRock907 8 күн бұрын

11:39 I had no idea that the radar could show the splashes from the (missed) shots! omg that is so fckn cool!

@CuriosityByNature 6 жыл бұрын

How our grandpas had played in World of Warships, update 0.0.1 beta :)

@iiiqvexiii8209 4 жыл бұрын

You means alpha

@jacobkuply387 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant comment

@swillm3ister 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for preserving our heritage.

@swillm3ister 6 жыл бұрын

I like the ending where they are polishing the equipment. Nice touch haha.

@techone19 5 жыл бұрын

A very informative video. Thanks

@neurofiedyamato8763 6 жыл бұрын

Very informative! There's a reason why rate of fire is overrated. Ships rarely fire at max fire rate for any extended period of time. Even after proper ranging, the enemy target may make a course change and the entire process is redone. Another possibility is that their own ship change course which then means recalculation have to be done. Or the target might disappear and pop back up later. Another possibility may be an order to switch targets to another ship. They may fire at max RoF for a dozen round at most before stopping due to various circumstances. Rate of fire gets more important when our FCS gets more advanced.

@patrickmcleod111 5 жыл бұрын

What does "FCS" mean?

@BicyclesMayUseFullLane 5 жыл бұрын

@@patrickmcleod111 Fire Control System

@steelpanther88 3 жыл бұрын

The rangekeeper computer on Iowa battleship could almost instantly calculate any changes based on own ship manouvers. However if the enemy ship was constantly turning, (as opposed to sailing straight) when rounds are flying then its going to miss most likely. It could also be easier to spot the salvoes from airplane spotter or radar in salvo firing.

@JayRock907 8 күн бұрын

Rate of Fire wasnt overrated at the battle of jutland tho 😊

@stradplayer90 6 жыл бұрын

solid gold

@topgeardel 5 жыл бұрын

Good to see the guys unloosen their top button and relax after their glorious victory. Story was a little different in the Battle of Savo Island.

@ColKorn1965 5 жыл бұрын

In two weeks I'm taking the fire control tour on the USS North Carolina. :)

@robscott8296 5 жыл бұрын

ColKorn1965 nice it’s my favorite ship and my grandpa help saved the USS North Carolina from scrap when he was a child

@pupplementarypupplements5804 4 жыл бұрын

how was it

@geoffk716 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been on it over 120 times, I love it

@Alpha_blossom 3 жыл бұрын

I grew up next to the NC and now all I do is watch old footage of WW2 naval ships and airplanes

@raymondhoyland61 4 жыл бұрын

Fabulous engineering and manufacturer of one of the most beautiful vessels ,. And for what?. Look at the bottom of the ocean

@robscott8296 5 жыл бұрын

1:20 GQ ( general quarters) 15:52 secure from General quarters

@user-qz7nu3mm9r 4 жыл бұрын

oh nice!

@bradgolding6847 5 жыл бұрын

Hey, that guy didn't get blown off A Turret!

@youruptownlowdown7745 2 жыл бұрын

1st Naval Gunfire! Hawaii, Semper Fi

@bradgolding6847 5 жыл бұрын

I am surprised that so many orders are not repeated back.

@TonyLovell 4 жыл бұрын

I came here for the Brad Golding!

@ObviousSchism 3 жыл бұрын

@@TonyLovell I came here for the Tony Lovell!

@jpdillon2832 5 жыл бұрын

Looks to me like a Baltimore class heavy CA, but I may be wrong. Anyone know which ship this actually is?

@soarinskies1105 5 жыл бұрын

Jpdillon it looks like it’s most likely a Baltimore class heavy cruiser, either that or it’s 1 of the two Des Moines class heavy cruisers they built, but those weren’t completed until after the war

@tonytrotta9322 4 жыл бұрын

It's a Baltimore class heavy cruiser for the ship has (2) smoke stacks. Also, the turret gun loaders are loading (2) powder bags for each shell. The USS Salem had the shell and power together as one and that gun could load at any angle. These guns were lowered for loading.

@chrislemasters 4 жыл бұрын

Hull number says it’s the Macon

@jimparsons6803 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting, and effective. There were a lot of folks in the chain of command, this is a guess on my part because of the lack of apparent computers. There was an article that I once read, which was confirmed on a KZfaq clip, which claimed that the number of people needed to operate some modern day Naval ships is much less than formally needed say 50 years ago? Once such ship on a KZfaq clip had only 68 people because of computerized automation. I'm sure that there are a number of onboard safeguards against computer viruses? Yikes!!

@amorag59 5 жыл бұрын

Where can I get one of those whistles tho

@taylorwhite636 Жыл бұрын

God bless our navy

@barneylinet6602 11 ай бұрын

One of the tricks of a naval gunfight is called "chasing splashes" . Since the enemy missed, he will correct his aim, and the next salvo will fall on you. But if you steer towards the splash, the process of correcting will mean the next salvo will not fall near the splash.

@davidsoule1252 6 ай бұрын

Bracket and half is the method best used. Chasing splashes never gets you to the target. I was an FTG in the Navy during the Vietnam War. We set up the computer and radar to fire the ship's guns.

@alldayvids3962 6 жыл бұрын

i came here because of world of warships

@FALprofessional 5 жыл бұрын

Ahh yes. My evening programming.

@DrLumpy 3 жыл бұрын

What's the MOS for "Bugler"?

@beefgoat80 9 ай бұрын

Is there a way to donate without having to make a patreon account?

@MARS_118 3 жыл бұрын

1:25 - I thought they use a tape record or something for that battlestation sound ^^

@gorillaau 6 жыл бұрын

"You sank my battleship!"

@billhuber2964 3 жыл бұрын

Swim call .😁

@ooyginyardel4835 Жыл бұрын

Are those guns mounted on gimbals?

@imapaine-diaz4451 4 жыл бұрын

I think that sailor at 9:46 has the most interesting battle station on the ship! Wonder what his job is?

@spiffinz 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like he's running wiring and inspecting things, getting ready to head inside for the firing

@CFarnwide 2 жыл бұрын

I noticed that as well and thought to myself “Thats not a very safe looking place to be”.

@xXturbo86Xx 3 жыл бұрын

Alaska class cruiser. A mini Iowa.

@michaelyates5976 4 жыл бұрын

The intro music sounded like a Flash Gordon movie.

@copper4441 6 жыл бұрын

do you really need the counter its in the way

@davidhoffman1278 4 жыл бұрын

@gf-qx8mv 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidhoffman1278 Put the counter at the top horizontally or the side vertically. Much is lost visually because of terrible placement of the timer or indifference of the Periscope Film people.

@pilgrim.... 3 жыл бұрын

@@gf-qx8mv And make it smaller

@PeriscopeFilm 2 жыл бұрын

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@rennugm1 6 жыл бұрын

😎⚓🇺🇸 USS OKLAHOMA City CG5 here 6"/47 Triple Gun Turetts an 5"38 Dual purpose gun mount ..😎⚓ US Navy Gunners Mate Guns . GMG1 ...

@stephenhoward6829 4 жыл бұрын

Had the pleasure of going aboard her in Yokosuka in '77, a shipmate from a prior duty station showed me around. Lovely ship. We replenished her frequently, I was on the Wichita, AOR-1.

@robscott8296 5 жыл бұрын

11:36 firing

@Zippsterman Жыл бұрын

11:27 Helmets are looking like they're operating the death star

@Hi_There_8 5 жыл бұрын

2x Citadel 4x penetration 11:36

@TheGlenn8 9 ай бұрын

Enemy cruiser foundered.

@lanslater 5 жыл бұрын

Good - if you want something to make you feel sleepy Worked for me

@Debbiebabe69 5 жыл бұрын

The vulnerable link here seems to be the 'Spot 1' station as it is the only one that can communicate with the turrets. Everything else seems to be either redundant or located deep in the ship that a shell exploding there is likely fatal anyway. Spot 1 however is in an easily accessible place for enemy shells to enter and explode, and is the only place that can order the turrets to load? What happens if a shell hits Spot 1 and explodes, but the ship is otherwise undamaged?

@twstf8905 5 жыл бұрын

Did you miss the entire first 5 minutes of the video, where they addressed the potential for the spotting stations fore or aft taking each other's duties up, and fire control being individually independent in each turret in case of damage further up the chain? In other words, the question of, "redundancy," was addressed at the beginning of the video, for each turret, both fore and one aft, with or without the support of their primary supporting spotting stations. You could answer your own question by simply paying attention. I'm just sayin'✌️

@Debbiebabe69 5 жыл бұрын

Yes I did watch the first 5 minutes and am very aware of all the redundancy in the ship. However, what I was saying was, Spot 1 is the only place with communication to the turrets. Spot 2 can take up the spotting duties of Spot 1 if the latter is carried away by a shell, but nowhere does it mention another communications circuit between Spot 2 and the turrets - the only communications the turrets have is with each other and Spot 1.

@jamespobog3420 5 жыл бұрын

@@Debbiebabe69 Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Please refer to page A10 for a start. maritime.org/doc/firecontrol/index.htm

@logansorenssen 4 жыл бұрын

Most all of those sound-powered circuits are available in multiple places, and even if Spot 2 doesn't have a dedicated circuit to the turrets (I'm not sure about a Baltimore class CA, but on an Iowa class BB, Spot 2 does have one), there'll be another circuit that they can use, and at least two other circuits not intended for that, but that could be used in an emergency. If all else fails, the turrets can aim and fire on local control. (And that came up in real combat: look up the Battle off Samar. USS Johnston had their turrets on local control for most of the battle after a Japanese CA blew their director to bits.)

@darylmorning 2 жыл бұрын

@@logansorenssen And they did an amazing job under local control. Taffy 3's defense should be taught in every history class.

@JustMe-cu1lw 4 жыл бұрын

8:02 , 12:01 Quentin Tarrantino granpa ??? :)

@arturboras6615 Жыл бұрын

😊

@chuckg2016 5 ай бұрын

My comment is completely irrelevant. Did anyone notice the guns being elevated to the firing elevation first; then to battery for loading?

@nonna_sof5889 4 жыл бұрын

11:26. Those helmets... I'm sure there's a reason for them, but that doesn't stop them looking comically over sized.

@dennislloyd494 4 жыл бұрын

They do but they accommodate earphones.

@davidhoffman1278 4 жыл бұрын

Accommodate the headset portion of the individual communication device.

@jamesbrowne6351 4 жыл бұрын

Makes you think of Rick Moranis as 'Dark Helmet' in Space Balls.

@Reactordrone 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbrowne6351 They were the basis for the rebel fleet trooper helmets in the original Star Wars.

@paulreed6822 4 жыл бұрын

I have looked for the USS Burlingame CA-905 online and have been given the runaround.

@barriewright2857 4 жыл бұрын

How much would it cost to build a ship like that today ! . I wonder how much of the ship would be automated and, would they need the same number of people to man such a ship.

@paulmorissette5863 3 жыл бұрын

The Burkes are about $2 billion.

@darylmorning 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulmorissette5863 Yeah, but they don't have heavy guns, IMHO 5"/54s (and 5"/62s) are secondary class batteries. They need The 12"/50s from the Alaska-class with the automation of the 76mm/62 from the Perry-class. That's reach out and touch someone 35km away with Rapid Fire.

@davekimball3610 6 жыл бұрын

CA-139 ? USS Salem? Just guessing

@tonytrotta9322 6 жыл бұрын

@chrislemasters 4 жыл бұрын

Looks like the Macon

@patrickmcleod111 5 жыл бұрын

**I remember my first wartime patrol aboard a heavy cruiser in WW2 in 1943. At one point, the intercom opened up with the message, "go to general quarters". Suddenly I saw people running around like crazy, so I did the same. I ran all over that darn ship, but I never could locate the general's quarters! I didn't even know why they wanted all of us to go to the general's quarters in the first place! I thought maybe the general was hosting a surprise party for the crew, and I imagined that he must have some HUGE quarters, for the entire crew to fit in there together all at once!** But then I started hearing our guns firing, so I decided to give up on attending the general's party, and instead I ran to my station to help fire back at whoever was firing at us. I've always wondered if the enemy somehow knew about the party, and chose that time to attack us, knowing we would be tying one on with the general, and be caught by surprise!

@robscott8296 5 жыл бұрын

I guess you finally figured out what General quarters means

@michaeledlin9995 4 жыл бұрын

Freaking hilarious

@ncktbs 2 жыл бұрын

most likely USS Roanoke (CL-145) the commander was creed burlingame at the time While commanding the Silversides, the ship and crew received a presidential citation and Burlingame earned two Silver Stars and three Navy Crosses. As commander of the 182d Submarine Division in the Pacific, he was awarded the Legion of Merit.[2] Following World War II, Burlingame served in various assignments, including command of USS Roanoke from 15 September 1953 to 3 March 1955.[5] He retired in 1957, at the rank of rear admiral

@robscott8296 5 жыл бұрын

13:05 rapid fire

@sammin5764 2 жыл бұрын

🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🎖

@simonjackson7269 Жыл бұрын

Why aren't they wearing flash protection??

@West_Coast_Gang Жыл бұрын

Bote

@PaulinSaudi2 6 жыл бұрын

In 1954 were there no Black sailors?

@neurofiedyamato8763 6 жыл бұрын

There are, US navy is the first branch of the US military to integrate all racial backgrounds. Its just that there aren't that many back in the day since the rest of US society isn't as open.

@FN_FAL_4_ever 5 жыл бұрын

Plenty of them back in the day. Quit stirring the racial pot

@WALTERBROADDUS 5 жыл бұрын

@@FN_FAL_4_ever Your just dogging a valid question.

@WALTERBROADDUS 5 жыл бұрын

@@neurofiedyamato8763 The Coasties were more ahead of the Navy in this area.

@WALTERBROADDUS 5 жыл бұрын

@Dennis Wilson Long mixed bag reply. Easier to say there was a lack of Blacks in Gunners Mate and Fire Controlmen rates on this ship.