243 Win -vs- 6mm Creed (Which is better?)

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243 Winchester vs the 6mm Creedmoor: Is one better than the other? If you were born less than 20 years ago you may have not heard of the 243 Winchester, and if you are over 50 years old you may not know the 6mm Creedmoor exists. Let’s examine the differences between the two, "by the numbers".
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@vincentdimick7012 7 ай бұрын

This may have been mentioned in the comments already but Tikka is putting out 243 rifles with 1:8 twist now.

@tacman2893 2 жыл бұрын

243 Win. I am in Canada and finding 6mm Creed would be like finding an honest politician here! Pretty rare but not impossible. I am a hunter and I run a 243 with a standard twist. Your are right about 243 and you can pick it up just about anywhere even in our rural towns. Good video and nice rifles!

@Michael-rg7mx Жыл бұрын

One day, a politician knocked on Heaven's gates. He was escorted down a beautiful street to a fantastic mansion. He said, "Do you treat all politicians like this?" "No, you're our first!"

@terryduprie6313 2 жыл бұрын

The 243 Winchester was my first higher powered rifle (age 11) and it has been stellar. Many white tails have been taken with it and it's nice and easy to shoot at the range. Nothing against the Creedmore, but I'll stick with my 243.

@BasedU.S.parriot1776 3 ай бұрын

Shy shoot a deer with a 243 when you get shoot it with a 300 win mag ?

@ryanstever6906 2 жыл бұрын

Love the 243 and its versatility. Being able to find more ammo in the current shortage is a big deal. I don't shoot competition and only hunt and shoot recreationally so the 243 works great.

@dylanmatter1088 2 жыл бұрын

6creed is all over no .243 here in pa

@geothunder1971 Жыл бұрын

That’s the reason I started looking into the 6mm creedmore there’s ammo everywhere right now

@huntingtheancientgroundsht5653 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to see a comparison of a .243 with a 1:7.7 twist vs 6 CM in 1:7.5 with the same projectile. Apples to apples.

@CallumHepworth-Smith 10 ай бұрын

Defo....me too...can ya get the same speeds with both calibres, which is important when shooting copper bullets on game. Am currently running Barnes LRX 95gr @ 3150 fps in my 243 and looking into testing it to go quicker if i can find a node.

@carypipes 8 ай бұрын

aint gonna happen these hornady fan boys gott apush hornadys bs

@700Junky 6 ай бұрын

Splitting hairs. They will be identical. The 6CM only shines with the heaviest of bullets in factory twist. Identical rifles and, bullets and literally no difference.

@BloodEagle. 2 жыл бұрын

Love the .243 Winchester. Was my first rifle when I was a kid and I still have the Savage bolt gun. Absolute monster with 100gr Core-lokt PSP Remington ammunition and couldn't be happier for mule deer and smaller.

@guardianminifarm8005 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent content. Well done. Agree 100%. We have been running 243 in our family since the 60s. Dads, uncles, brothers & cousins. I just got a Ruger American Compact 243 for my youngest son. He harvested a little buck at around 100 yards for his first. Replacing 44 magnum rifle & AR15. The recoil is so manageable. It is very accurate with most factory ammo. I worked up moa load with 100 grain Hornady BTSP and Staball6.5. 2700 fps. Very happy. Thank you gents. I will stick with 243 for now.

@joemiller9314 2 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite rifles for hunting is a 243 win. Have a traditional savage 99 for hunting and a custom Rem 700 with a 1-8 twist for target shooting. I reload therefore I am!!! Will stick with my 243’s, thank you.

@stevemoyer8013 Жыл бұрын

Would you mind telling me what hand loads you are using? My daughters boyfriend has a model 99 that he got from his dad. He hasn’t ever hunted but wants to so I’m gonna teach him what I know. And I do hand load. Thank you for your time

@joemiller9314 Жыл бұрын

@@stevemoyer8013 85 grain Barnes tsx behind Winchester 760 powder

@jwjenkins421 2 жыл бұрын

My wife grew up shooting 243 and that was the caliber she wanted when we got married. So that is what we got. We use it for some recreational shooting and hunting.

@bubba7626 Жыл бұрын

Because of the greater freebore tolerance in the 243 - you can shoot it for years without cleaning and it only gets more accurate... the coppering of the rifling has a contribution toward accuracy.. A great truck gun choice in my opinion. 😁

@danielback3236 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, I kind of suspected this but it’s great you guys confirmed and taught me a few additional things too. I coyote hunt and deer hunt in East TN. Deer hunting is very rarely more than 100 and 300 is a long way for coyotes. My 243 will shoot 75 grain bullets 1 1/2” high at 100 that puts it 2” low at 250. Without adjustment my 100gr deer cartridge hits dead on at 100. So I currently carry it everywhere I go, just change out ammo depending on what I’m chasing. That’s my reason for the 243.

@jackdundon2261 2 жыл бұрын

ever try a 6mm rem?

@BuckFoeJiden Жыл бұрын

That's exactly why I went with 243 in my AR10. 243 also has some impressive capability at range if you're hand loading.

@thatguyfishingben4794 Жыл бұрын

I'm from good ole east tn as well

@dakotaburnette5353 Жыл бұрын

@@thatguyfishingben4794 I am as well

@edjett2631 10 ай бұрын

@@jackdundon2261 6mm Rem is a fine cartridge; its only downfall is the marketing department of Remington.

@Titan-iw7xv 2 жыл бұрын

Easy solution, I have had a 243 for 20 plus years and love it but it didn’t stop me from “buying my wife a 6mm creedmoor to hunt deer with” now I have both to work up loads for and picking one is like picking ur favorite kid, I just can’t do it!!! Thanks for the info and keep up the good work!

@thegeneral1100 2 жыл бұрын

Actually I have both. I have a M77 II Ruger stainless (boat oar stock) 243, and a Howa 1500 heavy barrel 6mm Creedmoor. I don’t shoot competition so I don’t see a lot of difference between them, I pull the trigger and whatever is in my scope drops dead. That coyote or deer doesn’t seem to notice which bullet is going the fastest. I load my own so I have a variety of loads for both. If push came to shove I would pick the Ruger 243. There’s just something about that gun and caliber that I really like.

@dimassalazar906 10 ай бұрын

243 because I already own one and love it. Bought my daughter a 243 Savage XP and tried it and went out right away and bought myself one. So accurate it's scarey!

@alanniederlitz6950 2 жыл бұрын

Great info and video! I was talkin to my father in law about 6.5 cr one day when he gave me the kinda one eyed scowel and groweled, " prove to me the 6.5 is BETTER than the 243...??? So because he challenged me i looked into it. As yall really concluded, it is up to the shooter to figure out which is better. Environment is key. My gunny sgt father in law spent 20 USMC and retired a gunny in i believe 1971. 1911s and reloadin for rifles... he knew his shit. R.I.P. gunny...

@Colicious89 2 жыл бұрын

Yesterday I was wondering why this video didn’t exist. Here it is.

@chadjohnson5585 2 жыл бұрын

I have rebarreled 243 with a 1-8 twist. I have run 103 ELDX’s since they came out and 105 Amax before that. No need for a 6creed for me. Thanks for the comparison video fellas. And my rifle sits in a KRG bravo as well.

@kingrider75 2 жыл бұрын

Same. I live 1/4 mile from Douglas barrel and I’ve been having my barrels cut with a longer throat for years to except longer heavier bullets. You can pretty much make your own “Creedmoor” in any caliber you want and it’s been that way for some time lol

@peterh7841 11 ай бұрын

Only just saw this feed. I have a .243 Parker Hale that is 47 years old. Nostalgia says I keep it and put a new barrel on with 1:8 twist and convert to AI specs. 🙂 Also, love to see a Ruger .375 v H&H .375. And an AI varient of the .243 v 6 Creedmore.

@wesleymills6542 2 жыл бұрын

It’s about time someone did a video on this. I have both. The data you presented I discovered 5 years ago.

@1976FORDJ 2 жыл бұрын

I've got a RPR 243 with the 7.5 twist, and love it.

@outdoordoc1971 2 жыл бұрын

I love my Remington700 in .243 win , with a fixed 4X. From groundhogs and bobcats to deer it sends them home!

@kirbydennert9265 2 жыл бұрын

My .243 is a factory Savage 110 High Country and it came from the factory with a spiral fluted barrel with a 1:9.25 twist.

@mikesimpson6757 2 жыл бұрын

I have the .243 Winchester. It purchased the rifle for my wife for deer hunting since it is soft shooting rifle compared to a 30-06. I handload for it and have a wide range of bullet weights which she can shoot out of it. Since I am not using the rifle for competition, the .243 is the right choice for me.

@JackColeman1952 2 жыл бұрын

.243 Winchester is my choice and has been for around 60 years. The .243 has never disappointed me as a hunter, reloader, or target shooter. In my first .243, my favorite reload was using the 105 gr Speer Round Nose bullets over IMR 4831. It was a deadly game round and shot like a dream. My most commonly loaded bullet weights through the years are the 80 to 87 grain bullets. I have been wanting to try a Ruger American in .243. This video now has me looking for a compact model to celebrate my 70th year.

@stevesweeney7892 2 жыл бұрын

Go for it. My first deer came by way of 243. Extremely effective.

@_cal_techie 2 жыл бұрын

I vote for the 243 Winchester. Take a look at the price of ammunition for each. The 6 Creedmoor is more than double the price of the 243 win.

@cameronking7905 2 жыл бұрын

Thompson Centre offer a 1 in 8 twist. being the T/C compass

@Riderofridges 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative content. I’m relatively new to reloading. With only a couple thousand completed cartridges under my belt. With the primary goal of making up cartridges that have acceptable accuracy and the ability to insure ethical standards for harvesting deer. We also enjoy punching paper at the range for this development. We are reloading .308 7.62x51 .223 and 5.56x45 and recently.243. My son has purchased a Lightly used Ruger precision rifle chambered in .243 and I have my trusty Ruger m-77 with 24” match grade barrel also chambered in .243. I absolutely enjoy shooting the .243 and have been fortunate to successfully harvest many deer with over the years. I usually just purchased quality 95 grain ammunition off the shelf offering acceptable accuracy. Since I’ve started reloading I find myself striving for greater and greater accuracy. It’s been an interesting journey so far with enjoyable outings with my sons at the range. Living in the country we also are fortunate to be able to push out to longer range shooting. It’s very satisfying to consistently hit targets at 5,6,7 and 800 meters. The entire process of learning to shoot accurately at these ranges has been challenging, frustrating and most of all satisfying. Steady resting, smooth trigger pull, wind holds and bullet drop compensation. There is a never ending learning curve it seems. I must say your videos have been instrumental in helping us develop our shooting and reloading experiences. We appreciate the information you share. My youngest son will be eligible to start hunting next season and this video has peaked my interest in the 6mm creed for his first hunting rifle. It will be nice to start working with a bit heavier grain projectiles. Thanks again UR / Ultimate Reloader’s.

@bjerkerandersson3538 2 жыл бұрын

I love this type of in detaild comparsions! Over here in Sweden a lot of people go from our old army caliber 6.5x55 to 6.5 creed, even in rifles with long action. Since it is near christmas, one may whish for such comparsion.

@Greyzonecompliant 2 жыл бұрын

Jag skjuter 6.5x55 men jag har sneglat på 6.5 prc. Men jag har svårt att övertyga mig att testa 6.5 creedmoor. Den verkar vara för lik 6.5x55. Vad är fördelen med creedmoor ?

@kennyw6932 7 ай бұрын

It's interesting to note how each generation reinvents the wheel, or so they think and proceed to profess the ultimate cartridge is the new kerplunket 293.56, but now in my 8th decade, my first .243 came into my possession in 58 and I never looked back. I thoroughly enjoy seeing the new ground busting earth shattering kerplunkers working to improve the wheel. We shooters are living proof history repeats itself but those old standbys just chug along, 45/70, 30/06, .223 and thankfully the .243. Anyone seen a 6mm 284 lately? Enjoyed your presentation and I guess the end result will pretty much be the same, hot lead, target dead and it never knew what hit it.

@Oldhogleg 2 жыл бұрын

I'll take the 243 over the 6mm CM for the same reasons I'll take the 260 REM over the 6.5 CM; the CM case is based on the obscure proprietary TC30 case while the 243 & 260 are based on the ubiquitous 308/7.62 case. By and large all I have to do if brass becomes unavailable is just simply run 308 cases through the full body dies. If you can't get CM cases, you're up a creek!

@airborneivan 2 жыл бұрын

Not true. You can use 308 cases for 6.5 using full length resizing. You just have to have a little more patients with the process and remove the recapping pin when converting from 308 to 6.5. That and trimming your case to the appropriate length prior to sizing from .308 it 6.5. In terms of real world use, .260 Rem has virtually zero advantages over 6.5CM.

@ChaskeJohnson 2 жыл бұрын

Is the barrel life of a 260 longer than the 6.5 creedmoor?

@airborneivan 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChaskeJohnson not sure who the question was directed to but with .260 Rem & 6.5 Creedmoor they're relatively close in terms of velocities and pressures. On average, 6.5CM barrel life is anywhere from 1800-3000 rounds depending on volume of fire and how hot you're loading. I'd imagine .260 to be about the same. One unknown is 6.5 barrels like Daniel Defense which are cold hammer forged barrels and nitrided. I'd imagine they would last a bit longer.

@Oldhogleg 2 жыл бұрын

@@airborneivan You got that backwards, it's the CM that has virtually zero advantages over the 260. If you have a sloppy chamber, you probably could substitute the 308 case; but the process isn't as simple as you suggested. It takes multiple dies to push the shoulder back that far ( do you have those dies on hand? I suspect not), and you'll have to anneal the brass in between reforming steps (do you have an annealing machine? I suspect not), then you'll have to use a case turning machine to not only cut down the overall length, but will have to turn down the now excessively thick neck wall thickness (do you have a case turning machine? I suspect not). I've already done that rodeo myself for a custom cartridge design of my own. Believe me, converting a 308 case to 260, then to 243 is drastically a simpler operation by a mile. I've already have made 260 not only out of 308, but also out of 243 brass. Have you made CM out of anything? I suspect not.

@Oldhogleg 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChaskeJohnson I suspect it's the same.

@jeffabernathy1670 2 жыл бұрын

Shooting a 243win Ar10 with a 1 in 8” twist barrel. Very accurate and very versatile. Necking down and outside neck turning 308win brass. Cant imagine that a 6creed would be enough difference to make a difference to me.

@r.awilliams9815 2 жыл бұрын

The Creedmoor is a better target round if you enjoy long-range steel banging, there's no arguing that. For the average Bambi hunter, there isn't any significant difference, either in trajectory or terminal performance.

@j.t.patton7820 2 жыл бұрын

@@ddn79 I agree completely. All the Creedmore cartridges are nothing but marketing garbage...just Hornady trying to create a market by 'reinventing the wheel'.

@stephenland9361 2 жыл бұрын

@@ddn79 "... the average Bambi hunter..." likely doesn't reload, rarely takes shots at deer over 200 yards and couldn't care less about maximum possible velocity. Said hunter uses factory ammo, probably sticks to a favourite brand and bullet that has always performed well, has used the same rifle for decades and has zero interest in 'the latest and greatest'. I reload for my .243 and have stuck to the recipe that I first worked out 35 years ago. It has never failed. I don't recall ever running it over a chronograph. Deer don't care what velocity the bullet had when it passed through it's boiler room.

@Threegunmaster 2 жыл бұрын

Since I dont load ammo anymore and don't plan to start again, the 243 Winchester is the clear choice for me. The selection of factory loads and availability is way better then the creedmoor.

@mrjeffjob 2 жыл бұрын

I have a light .243 with a 9.25” twist for deer hunting. I also have a heavier barreled .243 I just got for coyotes. I got tired of the compromises. A 58 gr bullet that meets or exceeds a 22-250 for varmints but not heavy enough to really settle in for long shooting. But a great carry rifle for deer using 85gr copper bullets or heavier. Always swapping a 4-12 deer hunting to a 6-24 for varmints. Then I had a sudden realization that the proper solution to this dilemma was another gun! Problem solved. Had I started with no guns here I think I’d still go with the two same guns. I like the versatility of the caliber and I lean towards faster lighter bullets. I think with smaller game deer sized and under that hydrostatic shock kills cleaner. Now I do like the coppers hanging together and punching through so I have a blood trail. If I were to build a rifle I’d go with the .243 AI, 8” twist, 5R and a short freebore

@TheBaldMiddleAgedMetalHead 2 жыл бұрын

I'm still debating my first deer rifle .243 seems to be the one I'm interested in the most just due to availability and ability to use for Foxes.

@RosaParksWasWyt 2 жыл бұрын

Kill coyotes or a raccoon instead. Only an asshole kills a fox

@jackdundon2261 2 жыл бұрын

243 is a great rifle... the REASON your consider it, is its common, can you walk into ANY deer camp, and ask if anybody has a few spare rounds because you left your ammo at home. and SOMEBODY will have a 243. --- COMMON calibers is very important. (cheaper for ammunition too). 6MM CREED is a fad, and will fade. personally fav common callibers currently: 300 wm, 7mm rem, 30-06, 308, 243, 223, 22-250. - There are a lot more great calibers, but these seam to be the most common.

@JonHunter80 Жыл бұрын

@@jackdundon2261 the 243 is OK, the 6mm creed is better in many ways, I agree with you ultimately other than the fact that the 6mm creed is not a fad just like the 6.5mm creed, anyone who says such things think they know more than they actually do and make absurd assumptions because they are stuck in old mind sets and tradition, everything in life changes with time so you'd be wise to get with the times, its not 1955, its 2022, I'm sure some folks in 1955 also said the 243 was a fad. I guess somethings stay the same so it seems. I have neither of these cartridges as I prefer to hunt elk, moose or bison, so my rifles are chambered in 7mm rem mag, and 338 win mag for bison or stopping a bear attack. I would take the 6mm creed if I wanted to shoot targets or deer any day over the 243 win, sorry Jack but ballistics dont lie, unlike joe biden!! besides the necks of the casings dont stretch as long for the 6mm creed which means they last longer as long as you dont reload them too hot every time. some times newer is better, bud

@jackdundon2261 Жыл бұрын

@@JonHunter80 I am a very avid hand loader, I see even now, 243 ammunition is cheap, almost not worth reloading it. The 6mm credmore isn't cheep... as I recall the 6mm creed is simply a 6mm rem Ackley Improved? The only issue with the ongoing think OR FAST bullets, they deflect in brush or timber. - where I live that's a factor. I HAVE shot through trees to kill elk. Buy, a hopped up 375 RUM allows me to do that. I love the Ultra Mag, but, she's not cheep to shoot at all. But, when I want an elk to die, I take it! Is it a fad??? Probably...

@kevinwood7358 2 жыл бұрын

I would choose 243 Winchester, ammunition availability and reloading components availability. Also there's another 6mm and it's a Remington that I beleive stacks up a little better than the 243 Winchester. Good video guy's. Thanks, watching from Montana.

@tonyparrish2063 2 жыл бұрын

243 hands down, and it works really well for long range kills many coyotes have taken dirt naps at over a thousand yards with the right load, and it is great for deer and I have a friend who has taken Elk with it also, I myself prefer something bigger for elk, but it has been done..

@sandych33ks1 2 жыл бұрын

22-250 with a 1 to 7 twist in a 26 inch barrel is the what the valkyrie should of been and would be a 224 valkyrie killer. Those 88 and 90 grain pills in 22-250 , and now you have something special. I'm in the process of doing this now.. Great video as always. Hunting ammo is more available than the 6 these days.

@HondaRiderX17 2 жыл бұрын

Ai?

@russtuff 2 жыл бұрын

AI for sure

@zacmiller6741 2 жыл бұрын

Why not just go with the 22 cm with alpha brass and a fast twist or even a gain twist barrel

@tinfoilsombrero1439 2 жыл бұрын

That is the same thing as the 250 Savage /250-3000 which is a deer slamming mo fo.

@nathanielgray4235 2 жыл бұрын

I did a bunch of research with that very same thing in 22 250 and I found out the 22 creed Moor is basically a 22 250 ai with a deeper throat and faster twist for longer bullets

@georgewashington7312 2 жыл бұрын

243 for the availability

@stevenlake3173 2 жыл бұрын

Betting on the .243

@briansupermag3918 Жыл бұрын

Just got into the 6mm and chose 6 creedmoor and couldn't be happier. My rifle came with a 1x7 tw and wanting to shoot the heavier bullets. It's a no-brainer. Creedmoor is just more versatile from the factory ready for anything you want to do with a 6mm

@patrickschultz8820 2 жыл бұрын

Use and versatility are where my thoughts dwell. I run 6.5cm and 308 win. so brass conversion would work for both if need be. I shoot to hunt and handload monolithics for game harvesting so the twist rate in a 6cm would be a better option for me. Great video, thanks for sharing.

@possumpopper89 2 жыл бұрын

I inherited an old Remington 788 in .243. It only has an 18 inch barrel. My hand loads w a 100 gr Hornady psp is a little above 2700 FPS. It’s surprisingly accurate for a budget priced rifle and I have never had a deer run off. They have all dropped where they stood.

@johnshoureas1629 2 жыл бұрын

Great information guys. By the way Travis, please move your microphone to the opposite side of your tee shirt. When you face the camera your too far from the microphone for a soft spoken guy like you.

@craigschaefer8764 2 жыл бұрын

1. I’m a reloader. 2. I would choose the .243. I’m not sure I’m right on this, but I’m thinking the slower twist rate is better for the lighter bullets. Being a varmint hunter in the northeast, I value the lighter bullets. I’m thinking they might frag easier if I miss, and ricochets can be dangerous over here.

@tbjtbj4786 2 жыл бұрын

I am not sure i use the 6mm remington We my wife and brother use it to. We have used every thing form old remington loads with the original 244 destination which were 75gr to a costume 108 gr load. The 244 marked rifles had a slow twist and the 6mm remington marked ones was supposed to be 1-9. For us the 2 best factory loads was hornady 95 gr interlock and remington core lock 80gr But they were discounted. We started using the federal 80gr load. They have worked for turkey,bobcat,coyotes, deer, @ hogs out to 300yd just fine. And they shoot good in all of our 6mm rifles (7) They shoot the best out of my wife's 77 they will give you a 3 shot clover leaf group touching.

@wallerwhittemore6563 2 жыл бұрын

With all the ammo options for 6 creed nowadays it’s really turned into a great option. I use it for everything from whitetail and pigs down to coyotes. My Gunwerks chambered in 6 creed is an absolute laser

@uMalice 2 жыл бұрын

243 all day. 55 grain 243 with trail boss are awesome!

@ShooterB1 2 жыл бұрын

I have been shooting 260 Rem before 6.5 Creedmoor came out. My 260 has a Krieger 8t and shoots great with reloads. I think its the same comparison as 243 and 6 Creedmoor.

@geeccc5674 Жыл бұрын

I like how the 6 creed is set on a pedestal above the 243… subtle messaging 😂

@kentuckywindage222 2 жыл бұрын

I've owned a .243 Winchester for many years. The 1/9 twist Ruger 77 put 100gr bullets through varmints to whitetail. 425 + or - a tad for deer. 500 for varmints with a MPR setting and 4x12 Leupold. Today my 243 is a Tikka super light 1/10. I shoot 80gr ttsx in Lapua brass under IMR4064 lit with CCI large rifle primers chronographed at 3410 fps. 85gr Gamekings at at 3200 fps. Just won't take the long shots like 425 with these bullets on deer. George Garner chose 115gr bullet at 3150 fps, (I think) for Tactical Competition. Something about the reliability feeding with the shoulder angle I think. All custom of course but with a fast twist barrel 243 from manufacturer's would be a very competitive market! Sorry so long. Nerding out!

@clarencehopkins7832 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent stuff bro

@nathanmccullough7755 2 жыл бұрын

For me, the benefit of the newer, match oriented cartridges is that they all have the features that lend themselves to be accurate and useful. Generally tighter necks, free-bore suited to match type bullets, mag length with with match bullets seated, etc. Custom reamers in older, traditional, cartridges can get you to the same place or close, generally, but it seems that the newer cartridges are more universally accurate because they were designed specifically to be. You also tend to get better availability of good, match type factory ammo for the newer cartridges.

@Yelladog78 10 ай бұрын

What do they have that lends itself to accuracy, please be specific

@fredmeebley 2 жыл бұрын

Both are excellent for what they are designed to do. One shoots faster lighter bullets one shoots slower heavier bullets. Both have advantages depending on what you are doing. I think due to demographics and shifting culture in the gun community, the slower heavier bullets will continue to grow in popularity. Some people get very emotional about their cartridge choices, but they are really just different tools for different jobs.

@TheBamidd 2 жыл бұрын

My savage Axis in .243 has a 9.25 twist rate and I've had pretty good luck stabilizing everything from 50gr-105gr out of it. It definitely gets picky with some heavier projectiles and I have to be more careful about finding that powder and length sweetspot for good consistency but she does fine. I took that cheap hunting rifle, bedded it into a Boyd's wood stock, hand load for it and she's a 3/4 minute gun all day if I can do my part. I'll take it for less than 500 in the rifle and optic total.

@TheBamidd 2 жыл бұрын

But the way Gavin, really appreciate the video, excellent presentation and information. I feel 6mm cartridges are commonly overlooked considering their sheer versatility.

@brianshaffer5090 2 жыл бұрын

What kind of bullet jump are you seeing in that Savage?

@TheBamidd 2 жыл бұрын

@@brianshaffer5090 bullet jump as in my seating depth? For 87gr Berger VLDs I'm at ".110 off the lands and that will print tight cloverleaf 5-shot groups all day. I might be able to dial it down even further, but that's more than accurate enough for me. Best measured group was ".48 with an average of around ".7

@brianshaffer5090 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheBamidd I picked up a 6.5 creedmoor in a Savage Axis 2 for 200 bucks. Couldn't say no. It was only shot seven times . Haven't really got to mess with it other than to set up and make a few hundred yard shots to see where it was at and I wasn't even resting and was getting two and a half inches out of it.

@Claybird85 2 жыл бұрын

I built a similar rifle with the Savage Axis Heavy (Varmint taper) barrel, Boyds varmint thumb hole stock, SS 12x50 fixed. Super simple, super cheap, super accurate! I had a fantastic load developed with the 105gn A-Max which has now been discontinued 😔. Picked up a couple hundred 103gn ELD-X’s which Hornady claims will replace the 105gn A-MAX? Lord I hope so, my rifle loved those A-MAX’s!! I like custom rifles but it was also fun to do a budget build and I’m guessing you’d agree!

@jozef8844 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative video. I am fortunate to own both. The 243 in a varmint configuration and a 6 Creed in a precision platform. I load for both. Interestingly, local shop availability, though severely limited is better for the 6 Creed.

@cordellshumway3694 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a little disappointed in the presentation. I think you have very valid points..... however, your comparison between the 2 using eld bullets wasn't a very fair representation. 243 having almost 2gr more capacity and shooting a bullet that's 13 gr lighter I would expect a muzzle velocity advantage. The 6 creed data was valid..... the 243 data is screwed downward to make the cm look superior. Noone loads a 90 gr bullet at 3k in a 243.

@klepley8409 4 ай бұрын

Very good comparison between the .243 and the 6mm CM. I just bought a new Tikka in .243 for my grandson. It is strictly a hunting rifle with ammo everywhere although I reload everything I shoot and will be reloading for him too. The .243 is the first hunting rifle caliber I bought in the late 1970's in a Ruger M77. Shoots a 1/2" to 3/4" group all day long w/ hand loads. WE live in Pennsylvania and seldom get shots beyond 2-300 yards. A majority of the time the shots are under 100 yards. With this in mind I will stick to the .243. Perhaps in your next video you might mention adapting the rifle to the terrain where it will be used. To my point.....thanks guys for good info. Happy shooting, Ken

@waynesides2626 6 ай бұрын

I've shot a 243 win for over 40yrs. My favorite cartridge for just about everything. I use 58gr v-max factory loads also for just about everything. It all comes down to knowing your guns limits and knowing your own limits as well. Accuracy is vital in any hunting situation. If you aren't sure about the shot don't take it. I'm not going to be shooting animals past 300yds because I know those little bullets are out of steam. The 6 creed looks like a great cartridge and I believe it will have a good following. Thanks for the education.

@richardriordan9049 2 жыл бұрын

MY Remington model 660 has a 1 in 9 1/4 twist rate reload a 100 grain boat tail soft point have great success at dropping white tails in there tracks every time. Have used this rifle for 40 years. Liked your video

@michaeltatalias7926 7 ай бұрын

I’d love to see more on a comparison between 6mm, and 25 Creedmoor, Also, other .25 modern bullet designs (in addition to the Blackjack 131gr)

@robertbutler8005 2 жыл бұрын

Great Breakdown. Def pick a custom 243 with a 1-8 twist barrel. That way you get the ability to play with the longer bullets and can peacock around the rage and say your not a Creed fan boy......... a lot of extra work to avoid the creed that does the job so well.. but worth it if you love to play what if with rifles. Thanks for all the hard work putting these together.

@Mike-xi4zt Ай бұрын

If you already have a custom 243 adding a 6mm Creedmoor just creates more clutter and more expense for no reason. Nothing to do with bragging about anything.

@kurtjanzen7391 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to see 22-250 vs 22-250 Ackley vs 22 Creedmoor all with the same twist rate. Then compare 55, 69, 77 and 90 grain bullets.

@Gunrunner223 2 жыл бұрын

I chose 243win, because, I wanted a dual use rifle, coyote / moderate long range plinker, and, I wanted to do a budget build. I bought my rifle during 2020, so options were small. I settled on a T/C Venture II with 1:10 twist. Mounted in a Boyds pro varmint stock that I glass bedded. Chose a Bushnell Engage 4-16 to put on top. Bullets were kinda hard to find, but ended loading a 70gr nosler ballistic for coyotes, and 90gr Hornady ELD X for deer/long range. Tried 95gr Berger VLD, but couldn't make it shoot better than 1" inch. (Wanted tighter groups) Rifle shoots consistent .6 at 100yds. The Venture has been a pretty good rifle so far.

@thegeneral1100 2 жыл бұрын

Try the Hornady 58gr ballistic tips for coyote and bobcats, they are great.

@EDX2308 2 жыл бұрын

Of all the 6mm types out there, the 6mm Remington is the one I wish to see make a comeback. Very underrated and is better than the 243.. possibly even better than the 6mm Creedmoor...

@wendyheller8916 2 жыл бұрын

+1 great cartridge

@fredmeebley 2 жыл бұрын

I grew up shooting the 6mm Rem, and have a fondness for it, but I don’t understand how it is better than .243?

@seeratlasdtyria4584 Жыл бұрын

@@fredmeebley more case capacity, faster twist.

@OzarkPrecisioNZ 2 жыл бұрын

I've just re-barreled my 243 Win to a 243Ai 1:8 Twist in 22" as it's more a hunting rifle, I'm about to start load development as I've fireformed RWS brass for it. My projectile choice is the Swift Scirocco 90g and Hornady ELD-X 103g, looking at running Staball 6.5...

@tristanpalmer7 2 жыл бұрын

243 is an obvious choice for me. It’s been around since ‘55 and still going strong. I’ve got a target rifle built around it that’ll put 109 bergers in a single hole. To be honest I think the 6.5 and 6 creed are reinventing the wheel since the 243 and 260 have been around so long. And the fact that everyone and their dog has a creedmoor and they think it makes them a “sniper”🤦🏻😂

@Oldhogleg 2 жыл бұрын

Took the words right out of my mouth!

@Electroal1y 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree, I bought a howa 6.5 Creedmoor. If howa made a 260 rem I would have bought that instead. The 3 other manufacturers that bring in 260's to South Africa cost triple what my howa cost, and they don't shoot 3 times better than my al cheapo howa, so I had no choice but to follow the trend. I will rebarrel it to a 6gt or something similar once the barrel is fried, but in South Africa its cheaper and easier to just buy another rifle

@ryane6719 2 жыл бұрын

You’re not wrong, so many range rats with a 6.5 that think they’re up next for a mission in Afghanistan

@Electroal1y 2 жыл бұрын

@@ryane6719 look to be honest. My howa in 6.5 creed is boringly accurate, at 100m when I did a ladder test last week I shot 2 strings of 10 loads into 1 ragged hole. The guys almost shat themselves when I fetched the target. Reason was my barrel is now broken in, and all my cases have now been once fired. Next test is a quick ocw, found 2 nodes, so want to see which is best, one 41.5 to 41.6 and the other a bit hotter, can't remember the load. Shooting my 1st big match in March which happens to be a National match. Only have 1 club match before that. I work in retail so off time is none existing

@brianshaffer5090 2 жыл бұрын

I don't disagree with you in a lot of ways. You can't ignore the availability of rate of twist on the creedmoors. I don't see a Hudson in the NASCAR lineup in 2021.

@Rico11b 2 жыл бұрын

It'd be awesome if you did a head to head comparison of the 6 Dasher vs the 6 ARC.

@br4713 2 жыл бұрын

For me there's no big différence except that the 6 Creedmoor is made specificly for heavy long bullets. To use a 243 for long range you need a custom chambering (longer freebore) and a specific barrel twist rate. So with factory rifles and ammo, the 243 is more for hunting and the 6 creedmoor better for long range shooting.

@tbjtbj4786 2 жыл бұрын

I remember a 105 gr load for the 243 back in the 80's I think it was a federal loading

@r.a.facklam4851 2 жыл бұрын

@@tbjtbj4786 I believe it was Winchester

@tbjtbj4786 2 жыл бұрын

@@r.a.facklam4851 very well could have been. I have always used the 6mm remington vs the 243. And used the 80gr bullets for it. On our small deer if you put it in the right place kills like lightning. And would not damage to much meat on a fall turkey. Deer/ fall turkey ran at the same time.

@r.a.facklam4851 2 жыл бұрын

@@tbjtbj4786 I have a 742 woodsmaster cambered in .243 that I bought 54 years ago and has killed hundreds of deer. I have never felt underguned while using it. I have shot deer over 400 yards with it. For making long shots you want heavier soft point bullets. I bought a .25/06 and hunted with it for a couple years then gave it to my grandson and went back to my 243. It's never failed to do what I wanted it to.

@texpatriot8462 2 жыл бұрын

I have both. 243 in a deer rifle. 6mm Creedmoor in my Ruger Precision Rifle.

@addauadda4862 2 жыл бұрын

I was hoping you'd compare the two sometime. So glad I went with 6 creed. Can't wait to get out to central WA to try it at 600 yards +. 200 yards at Renton is too short.

@mrjeffjob 2 жыл бұрын

I’m near Renton. Where do you shoot 600 yards?

@addauadda4862 2 жыл бұрын

@@mrjeffjob I've been told there is a 600 yard range around Yakima. I plan on heading that way in the spring.

@robertwalker1849 2 жыл бұрын

I prefer the 6mm Remington and at the other end the 6mmBR

@boomcountryhydro 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 243 RPR and 13/1400 running 105bthp Hornady is achieved regularly

@tomvawter4531 Жыл бұрын

As a hunter, I stick with the .243 Win and factory loads. Federal Power Shok 100 grain has been an accurate and effective choice on deer in my Savage Model 10. The combination produces 1/2 MOA accuracy and fills my freezer. My shots range from 40-300 yards so I don't need heavier long range projectiles. If I did, I'll grab my .270!

@seeratlasdtyria4584 Жыл бұрын

You guys missed out, the 'old man' handloaded 6mm Remington will outperform both. Course, w Hornady's marketing machine in full '" Next Big Thing"' promotion mode, something akin to Microstuft's endless re-branding and forced re-purchasing of successive Window's iterations, (thank god for the Linux communities), the Creedmore is gifted with a marginal pressure increase, tighter throat dimensions and LOTS more promotional dollars which is in the end, what the industry in general, has become "all about." I own a REM 700 in 1/9 6mmRem (based on the .257 Roberts which was in turn based on the genius Mauser's original 7x57 which if you didn't know was also the foundation round for the 30 '06 ; patent infringement suit filed but rendered Moot, by a little dispute known as WW1. In any event, with the same bullets and some competent reloading, the 6th Rem easily 'toasts' each of your *star*candidates. Accordingly, regarding your 'best acquisition' recommendations, Include Me Out. One last thing, my 6mmRem hasn't suffered the extreme throat erosion often seen in both of your offerings due primarily to it's option for loading slower burning powders and my own emphasis on heavier projectiles, and loads providing the greatest accuracy- NOT highest velocity- I knew a guy who bought a .220 Swift hehe. You got me on the Drug Store availability of commercial ammo though, at least as far as the .243 Win goes..otoh I quit buying 'generic' ammo many many many years ago. Bought both my Rem and reloading gear, back in the 60's. Like a lot of peeps back then, I preferred to "roll my own" LOL.

@VitoBb1978 2 жыл бұрын

This video was great, very informative. My Remington model 770 has a 1-9 twist, it really loves the 100 Gr bullets, factory or may hand loads. The 243 being a over bore that it is, hand loaders who run the 55 Gr weight bullets with slower burning powder’s are going to burn out their barrels fast. My next 243 Win will be a 26 inch Remington 700, so I will be able to get more velocity. To my knowledge no factory rifles are made in 243 Win with 1-7 twist rate, which is needed for 100+ bullet weights .

@seeratlasdtyria4584 Жыл бұрын

Dunno bout the .243, but my 700 6mmRem with 1/9 has no problems with the 105 gr. pills I often load. Agreed on anything bigger than MULE deer, tho I DO know of Elk having been taken with the 6Rem, just not me LOL.

@lyndeen Күн бұрын

I have a 243 with 1-7.7 twist, 22” barrel. Shoot the 105 gr SMK just over 2900 fps. Shoots well in the 3/4 moa in the AR10 platform.

@user-de6sv3pk1v 4 ай бұрын

I have a Savage 110 Tactical in 6 Creed. Very accurate! I have hunted whitetail with it and killed 3 out of 3. However, none had an exit wound and thus no blood trail. So, I agree that for now 6 Creed is better for long range targets than hunting. There are some loads with penetrating bullets, like Hornady CX (copper, expanding). But these can lack the violent and massive wound cavity we want in a hunting round for quick, ethical kills. I'm thinking these small, fast (over 3000 fps mv) long range calibers that we love to shoot, can easily become very versatile hunting calibers if they are loaded with hard, non-deforming bullets for penetration (and no mushrooming) AND fluted bullets (like Lehigh XD or Underwood XD and Xtreme Penetrator) for massive wound cavity and shock. I don't know of any .243 fluted bullets yet, but I think this is the next evolution- elevating long range target rifles into multi-species hunters. I'd love to hear what Ultimate Reloader thinks of this idea.

@clayhealey8428 2 жыл бұрын

6x47 lapua.. absolutely dead accurate... " they all are honestly "

@Anschutz270 2 жыл бұрын

I've been running the .243 since I was 9 so about 20 years. First gun was a Handi-Rifle and killed my share of deer with it. I now have a Savage 1-8twist .243 that shoots lights out. For the new shooter, I'd recommend the 6 Creed. The .243 may have more SKUs but the 6Creed has more premium/match SKUs and is ready for heavies in a stock rifle. I'm sticking with the .243 for now.

@richardstone5241 9 ай бұрын

WHICH IS BETTER? Being a shooter for over 60 years (military, contractor, law enforcement, competition and hunting) I get really frustrated when people say, which is better? What should be asked is, HOW DO THEY COMPARE? There is no which is better because then you must ask better for what? By the way, all of the numerous calibers and more being created all the time is for one reason, to get more guys to buy more guns constantly looking for WHICH IS BETTER............ROFLMAO!

@kurtbogle2973 2 жыл бұрын

The best one is the one with the best barrel. Their so close to the same thing. In this instance reloader ability and barrel quality are paramount.

@boomdawg56 10 ай бұрын

I have been shooting my .243 for about 40 years. I will stick with the .243, I don't have to go buy yet another set of dies, start hoarding a new type of brass or stocking another 3 or 4 projectiles to feed the creed. The .243 has never failed me.

@robertmettler1910 2 жыл бұрын

i personally have a used savage model 11 (pre accu trigger ) that eats anything from 75gr hp sierras to 100gr spire points and puts all in under a inch at 100 which is fine for me

@patrickrodriguez320 Ай бұрын

Another 243 vote. It's a modern classic! And its always fun to be different when everyone else is hunting with 6.5cm/270 or bigger. The rifle is super lightweight, ammo price is as good as it gets and it always a good conversation starter at camp. Shoots super flat to 400 yards and has plenty of power when you consider 223 and 6.5 gredel have risen through the ranks of deer hunting

@Rambonii Ай бұрын

Hey when I go hunting the 243 is my go to for a 5-mile hike

@j.t.patton7820 2 жыл бұрын

Better yet...get a 6mm Remington. LET'S GO HORNADY

@z06ix 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah lets go!

@talkingrock7011 2 жыл бұрын

It all comes down to what you’re using it for 243 is a good hunting round but for competition the 6 Creedmoor is superior , both are barrel burners

@charlesmckinley29 2 жыл бұрын

David Tubbs proved the 243 is perfectly capable target round. 6mm Creedmore is close to 243 AI. Ackley didn’t think the 243 needed improved but the customer is always right. That said the 6CM is impressive.

@DakotaDoc Жыл бұрын

I don't have either and am in the market for PRS and also hunting (lighter) purpose built rifle. This was a great video. I don't handload (currently) I used to when I was younger. But military service tends to cut into any and all of your free time to work up loads. As I sold all my reloading gear, I have to start from scratch there. Commonality of cartridges may be a plus, or it may not matter as availability may be a plus for the hunting rifle. Some things to ponder.

@robertbessette8592 Күн бұрын

Just got a new tikka in 243 win. And it has 1in8 twist.. says it on barrel. So it is good to shoot Barnes 95 gn. Lrx for deer.just to let your viewers know to look on barrel for 8 after caliber designation. A lot easier to find ammo for 243 than 6 creed.if you run out or forget to bring it on a hunt.

@ronsorrentino6207 2 жыл бұрын

In the video you asked if there was any other calibers you’d like us to compare. How about comparing the 6 Creemoor and 6.5X55 Swedish? Same barrel twist rate of 1:7.5 I believe.

@conservativesniperhunter7439 2 жыл бұрын

I recently sold my first centerfire rifle a Tikka M55 Standard ( no plastic on that beauty) walnut stocked 243 Winchester that I bought in 1989 here in Sydney Australia. I don’t know if this rifle was imported into the United States at the time . It was the slickest cycling bolt action I’ve ever used , like butter on glass . With Winchester Super X 100 grain soft points it shot 3 inch groups @ 100 Yards , but when I used the new at the time Winchester Supreme 100 grain loads it shot 1 inch 5 shot groups @ 100 Yards and 1/2 Moa ( 1 inch size group ) at 200 Yards . I do regret selling it . I fired around 600 rounds through it . I was always careful to let the barrel cool right down for 10 minutes before firing the next group . If you let your 243 Winchester barrel cool down before shooting another group you should be able to get around 2500 to 3000 rounds out of the barrel before your groups start to open up a bit .

@timking2194 2 жыл бұрын

Great video I went through this debate a few years ago and bought a 6 creed for hunting now I have 2 and am getting into prs a little bit fun stuff good information

@54Rocketeer Жыл бұрын

We have 6mm CM custom built on a Sako 75 short action, the most accurate rifle out of the box we have had bar none. Twist 1-7.5 twist with 24” barrel first six rounds in two groups at 0.304” & 0.360” shooting at one hundred metres with 103gr ELD-X hunting rounds (hand loads). This is a hunting rifle with an original wooden stock.

@KeystoneTexan 2 жыл бұрын

My next rifle will be a Tikka T3Lite in .243 Left Hand.

@loiscottle7189 2 жыл бұрын

I have two 6 CM over last few years one for hunting and other for range gun which I actually hunted w instead of my hunting rifle go figure. I love 6CM! One is factory ruger American predictor upgraded stock, trigger and more… other is custom tikka w/proof steel barrel in KRG X-Ray which has been my favorite gun the last few years.

@beauneo 5 ай бұрын

The 6 creedmor while a great cartridge ignores a huge fact why I and many others pick the .243. Lots and lots of varmint style loads available on shelf’s. And handloads just get you even more versatility. Any rifle you want is in .243. Components to reload are everywhere. It’s just a better choice.

@ZeroBoostBuick 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 243win PRS 8" twist rifle, and the most accurate bullets were the Berger 80 gr FB varmint I tried for fun. BUT I can't shoot them above freezing temps because 20 to 25 % of them blow up between 100 and 150 meters ! 107 SMK end up being the best in my current barrel. On this barrel I started with 105 Hybrids and I could not get sub 1/2 moa groups at 300 meters. So I switched to 107 SMK and had no problems getting sub 1/2 moa at 300m with the same exact load as the 105 hybs... 43 gr H-4831sc... which by no coincidence was the same load I used with one of my 243win hunting rifles with factory 1 in 9.25" twist (Savage 11) with 105 A-max bullets.