ULTRA Thin Tom Resos | Season Six, Episode 33
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5 ай бұрынWe’ve tried different thicknesses of reso heads on toms in the past with great results. We’ve even been responsible for developing new thinner-than-standard reso heads for toms. But today we’re stepping into the unknown with the thinnest rests we’ve ever used on toms…3mil snare side heads. Spoiler alert: they’re great!
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Cymbals:
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Drumheads:
Snare: Evans G1 Coated / Snare Side 300
High Tom: Evans G1 Coated / Snare Side 300
Low Tom: Evans G12 Coated / Snare Side 300
Kick Drum: Evans UV EMAD/ EQ3 Coated White Reso
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@badge6211 5 ай бұрын
Funny story, when I got my first kit I got new heads but I bought a snarside for my floor tom by accident. I wasn't playing very often so I didn't even notice until 2 years later!
@Aeolus999 5 ай бұрын
Your Acro is sounding great again!
@ethan408g 5 ай бұрын
they almost sound somewhere between concert toms and standard toms
@adich 5 ай бұрын
Maybe not 3mil, but I could see 5mil making sense for my jazzy, light groovy playing. Thanks boys!
@jamesf.ryaniii7918 5 ай бұрын
Agreed. IMO, you need a delta between the batter and reso. On my jazz kit I have Diplomat Fiberskyn on the batters (7.5mil + 3mil fiber) which is a popular jazz head. On the resos I use the Diplomat Skyntone (5mil + 3mil fiber) to get a decent delta. Remo used to make a head called Diplomat M5 (5mil) but they stopped making it a few years ago. Now, except for the snare side heads, the Skyntone is the thinnest head they make.
@jc3drums916 5 ай бұрын
@@jamesf.ryaniii7918 Re: thinnest Remo head, why would you not include the 3mil fiber layer in that calculation?
@ItsABOUTflamTIME 5 ай бұрын
@@jamesf.ryaniii7918 I guess you are looking for a coated reso? Otherwise, you can still get Emperor snare side heads which are 1x5mil.
@jamesf.ryaniii7918 5 ай бұрын
@@jc3drums916 I did!!! Dip Fiberskyn: 7.5 + 3 = 10.5mil & Dip Skyntone: 5 + 3 = 8mil. That's a delta of 2.5mil. Most jazz guys use Dip Fiberskyn (10.5mil) on batter with Amb (10mil) on reso. That's a delta of only 0.5mil. If you're referring to the Diplomat M5, that was available only clear or coated, so 5mil.
@BCSchmerker 5 ай бұрын
@adich *REMOⓇ has 5 mil heads in the Diplomat range.*
@bobkinney7913 5 ай бұрын
Yep, going to give these a try! I am not a heavy hitter so these should really work well for me.
@Manassasjunction 5 ай бұрын
Havin played a lot of brands since 1963 and head from calf to kevlar I finally used Emperor coated on the batter and diplomat on the reso side.All toms isolated from holders and stands and no floor toms.It's a matter of taste but with good miking I was absolutely happy.
@BCSchmerker 5 ай бұрын
@Manassasjunction *The ideal configuration for my TAMA/Hoshino IPF14A and IMF16A I estimate to be suspended on a common tom stand, as I found the legs to be dampers **_galór._*
@Sundaydrumday 5 ай бұрын
Crazy I was thinking about this exact subject the other day! Sounds really good and alot more controlled than I expected!
@pjyielder 5 ай бұрын
Not sure I’d want to take it to this extreme, but this does make me want to give 7mil resos (and 2mil on snare) next time I replace heads. Seems worth trying out as my touch has significantly softened over the years.
@TsunamiBeefPies 5 ай бұрын
This is the kind of thing that makes me love this channel. On some drum and drumming channels, if it gets a mention at all, the SOUNDS your drums make is just sort of taken for granted. It's assumed that you know how to tune and use your drums, and that you have them tuned just the way you want them. Here, I get a deep dive every week. And I love it. This one was a fascinating exploration of something I'd never even heard of, much less considered. For someone who needs a good articulation and a musical tone at low volume, this would be a perfect thing to implement. As always, thanks Cody and Ben. The sound of every episode is absolutely pristine (to the extent that KZfaq's compression makes that possible) on your end, and with my good cans on, it sounds pretty darn good.
@SuperFacecloth 5 ай бұрын
I'm getting new heads tomorrow and this information is very useful to me. What you demonstrated here is almost perfect for the applications that I was thinking of and I would have had no idea without your help.
@AJd1996 5 ай бұрын
It sounds like early sabbath drum sounds
@johnpetz5131 5 ай бұрын
Thanx guys🙏🏻 I found that even 7mil made my toms sound too thin, in my opinion. But I won’t use anything else other than a 3mil on my 13x13 snom. I can’t get it into my preferred interval range due to the snare side not going low enough but it still gets a great floor tom and snom tone for what I’m doin.
@fomosmith 5 ай бұрын
"Pat Boone - Debbie Boone"
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
You know it!
@The_Other_Ghost 5 ай бұрын
Reminds me, I'm now trying a marching tom batter as my 13" reso. The only real difference being it's frosted.
@bobsondugnutt7526 5 ай бұрын
clicked on this video very quickly
@devinthegreig 5 ай бұрын
Love the tones they produce but I think to error on the side of caution, I’d probably stick to the reso 7’s
@joc8 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting segment, I'd never considered using 3 ml resos on toms. To my ears, the toms did have a short sustain, and a "muddy" sound, which wasn't unpleasant. My current set up is Evans Onyx 2-ply batter, with Evans EC's as resos on rack and floor toms, specifically to shorten sustain, and give the sound a touch of "darkness", without having to tune the toms too low, so as to maintain attack, and not lose rebound. Great video, thanks Ben and Cody.
@dalekay9ine 5 ай бұрын
EC2 resos honestly blew me away, instant difference, made my birch kit sound great!
@joc8 5 ай бұрын
@@dalekay9ine Yes, I have a birch kit, too. But, I've used EC2 resos on another kit, and the same result, a more controlled sound. I'm considering trying coated heads as resos when it's time to change, they also shorten resonance = sustain. Cheers.
@flapjack413 5 ай бұрын
This video reminded me that about a year ago, I bought clear Remo Emperor (2 ply) to try using as a resonant head on my 14" floor tom. Curious to see if I can get a lower pitch/shorter sustain out of the drum without tuning so low that it feels like I'm playing on a wet pillow. Hopefully I'll have some free time to mess around with it before I completely forget about it again, haha!
@davidperez5089 5 ай бұрын
You bought it AND forgot it?! Did i read right?
@ForeverDownByLaw 5 ай бұрын
The thin reso's really sing nicely. Perhaps not the best for a really heavy hitter, but I like the open sound. Perhaps they would sound more powerful in a recording situation without slamming the drums, and might work better for thinner shells in smaller rooms.
@DZNTZ 5 ай бұрын
Interesting experiment. I tried the Evans Reso 7 when they came out a few years ago and felt they created a noticeably thinner tom sound that I wasn’t a fan of. (You also lose the ability to swap heads around) Idk, I like a warm, fat tom sound (typically use coated 10mil resos) and the loss of some of that is a negative for me.
@failuretolaunchdrums 5 ай бұрын
Nice. My reso head of choice is the Genera Resonant… though I’m not sure if it’s much different than a standard G1.
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
The Genera Resonant heads utilize a 10mil film as well but it's different from the film used for the G1. They have a brighter response than the G1 and make for a great pairing with two-ply batters (but you can use them with anything, of course).
@acattoir 5 ай бұрын
Us old guys did this in the 70s and 80s. Too finicky for me, but a nice tone. Ran tympani heads on my concert toms. Bright!
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
Wow, what size were your concert toms? Also, timpani heads are as thick as standard single-ply batter heads.
@acattoir 5 ай бұрын
I had the Ludwig Octaplus set. 6, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. Don't remember the exact differences with the tympani heads at the time, but glossy white finish and the collars were different. Thickness and plastic composition, no idea.
@occhilcoat4641 5 ай бұрын
Reckon what a Evans 500 Snare side would do?
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
This is all relative from a mass perspective. For example, if you're using G2 (14mil two-ply) batters and decide to check out the Snare Side 500 heads, those have roughly the same relationship (in terms of mass) as the Snare Side 300 when paired with the G1 batter.
@angelagk4884 5 ай бұрын
this config may be nice in soft jazz music, using brushes. am I wrong?
@crowonawirehome 5 ай бұрын
Interesting. My light playing style makes the snare louder than my one 15” tom. Think I’ll get a lighter reso
@drumjedi5301 5 ай бұрын
Interesting concept. Have you guys ever tried the Evans EC Resos? Kinda the opposite. I use them on my gig rig with EC2 batters with the idea of getting lower tones out of smaller drums at a lower volume than "standard" resos and G1 or G2 batters on bigger drums. It's obviously a compromise situation specific to the small venues I normally play in, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
@drumjedi5301 5 ай бұрын
An addendum: I'm a relatively hard hitter when playing at top dynamic, but not a full-on basher.
@BCSchmerker 5 ай бұрын
@drumjedi5301 *The EVANS TTnnECR, I presume?* I use BnnEC2 batters, have TTnnEC2 resonants shortlisted for my TAMA/Hoshino IM2E6, as the IMTnnAs and IMFnnDs are dampers _galór_ for drumheads.
@CharlesWillisBonsai 2 ай бұрын
I found this looking for 7 mil tom reso head info. It would be cool if you did a comparison between 10mil and 7mil resos.
@SoundsLikeADrum 2 ай бұрын
Here's our video on that topic: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hbpndNGentSXpYU.html
@CharlesWillisBonsai 2 ай бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum Awesome! Thank you. I must have missed it when I was looking through your videos
@Chiroman527 5 ай бұрын
I don't know how you guys do it! I have difficulty to get the sounds produced here from my Toms (either too "ringy" or "flat") on all your Vidoes. And I never hear any Snare Buzz? How do you do it?? I struggle with Drum Tuning. THX for the time for making this video .
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! It may seem like some mystical secret or maybe it's the gear but really we just take the time to get the sounds before recording. Now, we film at least once a week in the same space with the same gear (and I'm recording and filming here several more times each week) and have been doing that for six years now so we've actually improved just by doing. It only takes a couple of minutes to tune up and get sounds in most cases. In a situation like this, we got the drums in tune and made small, incremental adjustments, testing the results as we went. This patient and methodical approach has never failed us. Cheers! -Ben
@LucasHaneman 5 ай бұрын
Not to interject, but having experience recording drums on a regular basis, I would also add that there is a degree of extra snare buzz that is heard in the room, but does not get picked up when micing drums in an audible way. Because of the way the drums are isolated from each other, and because the overhead microphones are just a piece of that equation, being as far away from the snare as they are, this can change the perception of snare buzz as well from the listeners perspective.. i’m not sure if this is an accurate assessment in this case, but just figured I’d offer . Great video guys! Always interesting sounds
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
@@LucasHaneman You're absolutely correct, though with this series we go to great lengths to insure that what we hear is what you hear.
@a.j.wilkes6352 5 ай бұрын
Not going to lie, this title gave me "No...we mustn't" Victorian energy.
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
Clutch dem pearls! 😂
@a.j.wilkes6352 5 ай бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrumVery cool experiment. Could definitely see this in a lower-volume setting. Anything to avoid playing a box (sorry not sorry cajon guys).
@ryderreynolds3005 5 ай бұрын
Gut snares?
@thepracticepadchannel 4 ай бұрын
Interesting.....
@alancarver2511 5 ай бұрын
I tested a lot of variations over the years and for me (hard player), it's best when there is not too much difference in thickness between the two heads. Ex: Emperor batter with Ambassador reso, super. Emperor batter with Diplomat reso, not so good. Go with Ambassador-Diplomat. My taste.
@BCSchmerker 5 ай бұрын
+soundslikeadrum *Super-thin resonants in the 3 mil ballpark would be ideal for EVANS TTnnDB1 batters.* J. D'Addario and Company only offers BnnRES7 as the thinnest tom resonants.
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
Yep, the Reso 7 series was something I came up with while I was working at D'Addario. They're an excellent option for reso heads when you're looking for that shorter sustain and more immediate tonal response at lower dynamics similar to what's demonstrated in this video.
@dalekay9ine 5 ай бұрын
I didn't know you worked for them, very cool man! Love all your guys videos, really helped me start thinking about tuning at an even deeper level than I obsessively already did!
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
@@dalekay9ineFrom 2010 to 2017. It was a wild ride and excellent introduction to the industry. -Ben
@marvinmatter1501 5 ай бұрын
Oh man, I was so confused about the 3mil thing until I realized you meant three thousands of an inch and not three millimeters
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
Ah, yes! Mils are the standard unit of measure for polyester film (the material drumheads are made out of). Lots of people mistakenly abbreviate this as "mm" or even just "m" but both are incorrect. 3mil is, as you mentioned, 0.003" or three one thousandths of an inch.
@goodtimejohnny8972 5 ай бұрын
An automotive paint instructor explained a mil is as thick as the plastic wrapper off of a pack of cigarettes. An easy way to understand the difference between millimeters and mils.
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
For anyone who doesn't smoke, this is the same as other thin plastic wrappers you'd find on things like Apple products and other tech point-of-purchase packaging.
@d-rock737 5 ай бұрын
Try a remo ambassador fiberskyn for a reso.
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
Why don't you try it out and let us know what you think?
@d-rock737 5 ай бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum it was just a suggestion. I have and it sounded phenomenal on my gretsch catalina (mahogany) jazz kit.
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
Great! We’ve played drums with Fiberskyns for batters and resos and really dug them at higher tunings.
@d-rock737 5 ай бұрын
@@SoundsLikeADrum i don’t currently use them but had good results on that Gretsch catalina kit. Good videos and thanks for the quick responses.
@010aray 5 ай бұрын
Sounds Lke A Drum; for a low volume setting. I'll see myself out.
@SoundsLikeADrum 5 ай бұрын
Yep! Good to recognize when something isn’t right for your needs. But don’t throw the baby out with the bath water- there’s still plenty to be extrapolated here when it comes to reso head choice for any scenario. Cheers!
@010aray 5 ай бұрын
@SoundsLikeADrum well dang, my pun wasn't as puntastic as I imagined. D'oh
@danlc95 5 ай бұрын
@@010aray- No, it was! 😂😂
@maribethjones2484 5 ай бұрын
Get alittle snome going?
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