I am just as surprised! I expected the pops and clicks to reduce a bit.

The high frequency sounds were totally absent on the dirty record, causing a muddy sound, and nicely restored on the cleaned record, making it sound crisp and resolute. The record prior to cleaning was very dirty in the grooves. To not notice the difference, one would have to be quite hard of hearing.

It is actually not, because you do not need to add any surfactant when ultrasonic cleaning. Only distilled water is needed. This is because H2O breaks up into H+OH, and that in itself works as a surfactant.

Patrick, you also have a hard time finding distilled water? I found a solution. Computer stores, who sell and build PCs, produce distilled water themselves for CPU cooling systems. Highly recommended. The pharmacy water that the employees there say is distilled water, isn't true, I've checked with the distributors, and the sterile water employees claim is "yes, it is, distilled", it is not. It is just lack of knowledge by the workers, which is quite annoying. Sterile water has only been boiled, not distilled.

Dan, how do you like the ISONIC ?, I have been looking at it. Can't decide that or the Kirmuss

@@ogsan1296 the Kirmuss can only clean one record at a time and then it takes more than 30 minutes to do all his steps. Kirmuss is an OCD nerd the invents problems that aren't there. Go with the Isonic.

@@dougmacmillan1712 Thanks, I appreaciate your opinion. Just what I wanted to hear....

Bub Worsten yeah that turntable was left outside but under some cover, near the sea for years. Luckily it had the acrylic cover on it, which went completely opaque but under that protection it was in really good condition. It’s kind of a miracle that it works so well after sitting outside for 12 years.

You can bring back records from the dead by manually wet-cleaning as well.

Have you seen results as positive as this with the kirmus? I know his method does not use any soap.

thinkzinc100 thanks a lot. I’ve rearranged it a bit since then but still have the same stuff.

@@Filtersloth please let me know when you are giving away your setup

I think you can do 10 at a time with that machine.

With the exception for the loading time he says his setup will do five (5) each load cycle. So in reality that's only three (3) minutes per LP per load cycle. Not bad at all. Ultrasonics is a marvel it's now being used for cancer treatments to disintegrate tumors, I'm happy about that.

I just drain it and wipe the bottom of the tub with a paper towel. I also leave the draining valve open so it might dry over time. Seems impossible to get the last little amount of water out. Enjoy your new cleaner. Let me know how it goes.

I haven’t tried that smaller one so I can’t really comment, but the one I have barely covers all of the grooves, you have to fill it above the max water line. As long as it is the same depth as my one, it’s probably fine. There is definitely a loss in cleaning action the more records you put in at once, because they block the energy reaching the records behind them. But still, even with 5 records in there, they definitely do get clean. If you really want to give it a good clean, I’d say just put in one record. Sometimes I put in 2 and space them out with the rings in between them. I think that with these machines there are definitely sweet spots in the tub, that have the most cavitation. It’s caused by 3 motors, and you probably want to be as close to those as possible, compared to off in the corner.

@@Filtersloth Thanks. Food for thought. I'm also eyeballing the humminguru soon to be released and appears affordable.

Yes that's right. It was probably the same place that I got this cleaning recipe. Any idea where to find hepastat256 in NZ? Here is where to find Triton-X 100 in NZ. $15 (I saw the same thing being sold for $100 on another site) www.conservationsupplies.co.nz/products/triton-x-100

For New Zealand? I got it here: realgroovy.co.nz/product/492174/ultrasonic-record-cleaner-with-motorized-rotisseri

A spin clean is in between this. There you have that result. Spin Clean is also just annoying, dragging dirt around within the brushes. Also you need to spend a fortune on their silly priced fluid that makes dirt sink to the bottom, it has residue that sits on the records afterwards, due to these residues. And after a little while, you need to buy more overpriced brushes from them. Total waste of money product. You could rather clean by hand using a microfiber cloth - much safer - quicker - and CHEAPER.

no I only keep it for a couple of weeks max. It will start to grow bacteria which you can see floating around as clumps (I forgot to throw some out once and it stayed in a bottle for a month or more. That's why it's important to dry the records thoroughly after cleaning. I throw it out after it starts to look murky anyway. Once you have some of that detergent that's shown in the video, a small can will last for years. Isopropyl is cheap and so is the water, so overall it's really cheap to make. Best to just make a new batch. I would like to find out if there is an antibacterial that I can put in the water.

@@Filtersloth Thanks for reply. I was thinking it's waste of money to throw it away after a couple of records cleaning though. I should wait for a batch to clean up. As you said, i wish there is something to keep it for a longer time.

@@Filtersloth did you ever get round to testing any antibacterials? from my brief research it seems benzalkonium chloride is the active ingredient you want, and it's in pool cleaners to vet disinfectants. I've had no issues using a mix of water/iso/ilford. Usually get through enough in a day or two and dump the liquid after. Sometimes will run it through a coffee filter, but meaning to try TDS measurements to see if it actually has an effect.

The brand is 'CODYSON', but I forgot the model number. maybe CD-4875 I think the machine is usually used for cleaning dental tools.

Yes that’s right. Into the Mic capsule that clicks on to the top.

@@Filtersloth Thank you sir!

I think it’s some kind of office rack for putting files into.

No it’s not a Kirmuss one... we’ll in a way it is, because Kirmuss just buys these Codyson ultrasonic cleaning machines and adds his own the lid that spins the record, then sells it for more than 3 times the price (prices I have seen over here at least). He also makes up A LOT of nonsense claims. Basically he’s a classic sideshow salesman with an act and a lab coat. So... I’m not a fan lol.

It’s pretty noisy and annoying. But not quite as annoying and loud as another smaller one I have

@@Filtersloth thanks for info man, much appreciated 👍.

Hello to India from Denmark.. Before you think of buying this machine, look at Vevor ultrasonic ! Much cheaper and just as good.

@@elCaxi1971 LOL. I agree. I bought the vevor 4 weeks ago. Works great. Half the price of the humminguru

Excellent 😃 Happy to hear that. I will get a Vevor 6L as soon as i can afford it too. Great choise. I also think of getting a Knosti Disco anti-stat to use as a rinsing bath with pure destilled water after the vevor clean, just to make sure there is Nothing left on the records when they dry..

Richard Black thanks a lot. I don’t have any experience cleaning 78s but I do have a few albums. 78s are usually made with shellac, so I would not put alcohol anywhere near it, as it will dissolve the shellac. I’ve heard to avoid immersing 78s in water, so an ultrasonic cleaner or any water bath might damage them. I read this: “It is important that records are not left immersed in water for any length of time. Some records (Columbias and Edison Diamond Discs, for instance) are laminated over a core that will swell if it gets wet. This causes peeling in the form of lamination cracks and edge separations. Additionally, certain labels can be damaged by water, especially those with porous paper or water-soluble inks.”. I haven’t tried enzyme-based cleaning but I’ll look it up, thanks.

@@Filtersloth Thanks. Most of the troublesome 78s are acoustic-era discs, pre-1925, and my collection is almost entirely later than that. I've cleaned many 78s by immersion methods, generally 5 minutes or so, and never had the slightest trouble, but you're right about alcohol: they generally don't like it, even diluted. Hence interest in enzyme-based cleaning fluids.

Hi Richard , in the process of looking for an ultrasonic cleaner for my records , can you send a link or info on your machine please , I'm in Oz , thanks ...

@@martyzone2316 I bought this one and it seems to do the job very satisfactorily: www.bestultrasonic.co.uk/ultrasonic-cleaner--bath-professional-digital-with-degassing-6-litre-80-p.asp

i have the same experience with Knosti. Guess you just cant let it dry but have to rinse it with water again after finished cleaning to avoid that build-up on the stylus

Second hand. I forget where I got it from.

We excel at this as seen at the Cascadia pressing plant visit and subsequent demonstration at the ARSC conference in Portland. We removed the dust trapped in the groove between tracks that landed on the hot record. No pop. No further pops created.

I just let it sit in the rack and slowly dry, like I show in the video. Yeah I’d still recommend one

If you clean by hand and microfiber cloth and use isopropanol with distilled water, it dries quicker. Dry it off with a microfiber cloth. This will reduce drying time dramatically. You do not need to rinse off isopropanol.

TheEnergyWarning i bought it from a record store in New Zealand called Real Groovy. I’m not sure about buying in the USA sorry.

shanon Stevens How much are they selling this at Real Groovy? You reckon the other record stores sell these or even JB Hi-Fi?

yep, the levels were the same, nothing changed between recording the before and after.

@@Filtersloth That's amazing. Thanks for posting.

Nigel Humffreys Hi. Yeah it’s the Real Groovy one. It works well. The ultrasonic cleaner itself is not made specifically for record cleaning, so it’s the spindle add-on thing that’s been made with records in mind. It’s worth putting a bit of lube on the part of the rod that rubs against the plastic, or it ends up making plastic powder. Also you have to fill it up with water way above the ‘max’ line, or it wont reach all the record grooves. I haven’t tried any other machines, but this one works well. The Nagaoka MP-110 is great, although I’m no expert. I was thinking of trying out a MC cartridge, but only because I like to experiment. I’m pretty happy with my setup now really, it sounds good so I can spot a clean record vs a dirty record easily.

@@Filtersloth Cool thanks for that. Think I'll give both a try. I'm running a Sumiko Pearl which is great but so many good things said about the Nagaoka 110. I was considering building my own ultra sonic set up but would be much of a saving from the Groovy one.

Nigel Humffreys Yeah I was going to build my own one, but importing a budget machine through amazon was actually really expensive, the shipping was as much as the machine, plus I doubt they are very good. I got a quote for a machine from an NZ company that specialises in them, and it was more than $1000, then after that you’d have to build a spindle.

@@Filtersloth I picked one up last week and have done 15 records. Really happy with it! pretty easy process. I find the speed brush paint brushes from Bunnings or Mitre10 work well for the prewash/brush. It's what I used for cleaning before getting the ultrasonic.

@@nizzalotti nice! Yeah I think a pre-wash helps to loosen it up a bit. Did you get that triton-X detergent?

Yes, someone had mentioned that, however they said they were going to import the ‘kirmuss audio’ version of it. And I would personally recommend staying away from that because the Kirmuss guy is full of crap. They use the standard cleaning machine made by codyson, although he will make up claims that it uses a different frequency. He also calls it ‘patented’, however nothing about the cleaning process is different, the only patent he’s got is the lid that spins the record - which i think is good actually. I wish he wouldn’t use scam artist techniques talking about ‘release agents’ a special ‘goat hair brush’ (obviously just a shaving brush, with bristles too thick to have any effect on the microscopic grooves of a record), and some bullshit spray etc. He wears a white lab coat and sounds like Dan Akroyd lol... and he keeps commenting on this damn video, making up nonsense, double lol. The bottom line is that they try to sell the Kirmuss audio machine for AUD$2,800, where it should only cost about $800, like this one did. I got it from real groovy music store in NZ. Good luck and let me know if you find one.

@@Filtersloth Thank you for the information mate. Dan Akroyd hahaha. Can you tell me the model of this Codyson please? As I think this could be what I’ve been looking for.

@@fohentertainment sure, it is a codyson CD-4875. It is 410 watts.

@@Filtersloth quick questions. How loud is it? As myself and a friend are looking for something quiet. And is there an in built thermometer. As I see you using your own. And what’s the price again? I can’t remember if it’s mentioned in all the comments. Thanks again 🙏🏻

@@fohentertainment it’s loud, all ultrasonic cleaners are loud, and annoying. I put it in another room usually. There is an inbuilt thermometer, but the lowest temp that it will turn off at is higher than I want to put my records in. Ultrasonic cleaners are generally made for cleaning metal and things like that. I have seen this one for as low as $800 NZD from real groovy, realgroovy.co.nz/product/492174/ultrasonic-record-cleaner-with-5-disc-motorized-r

Yes, you have to fill it up above the max water line though, but you also need to do that for 12” records too

I’m not really sure how you could do a comparison between the two methods, because you can’t really clean the same record twice. I suppose you could clean it in a basin first, test it, then ultrasonic clean it and test it again. But that wouldn’t tell you much because just washing it in the basin a second time might have made it cleaner. Maybe the only way to know would be to clean half the record in the basin and the other half in the ultrasonic cleaner (without it spinning), then look at how dirty it is under a microscope. Maybe I should buy a microscope... Cleaning records in a basin does a really good job, there’s nothing wrong with it. This isn’t really promotional video for ultrasonic cleaners, I was just lucky enough to be given one and wanted to see the difference before and after. But you can see that I didn’t really scrub the record beforehand, so just the US cavitation did all the cleaning, so that definitely works. I guess the other good thing about ultrasonic cleaning is that there isn’t any mechanical action like you get with a brush or cloth, pushing grit around the record grooves potentially causing scratching or pushing dirt further in. I’m not sure how much this one cost, maybe about US$600.

@@Filtersloth I guess the closest you could get would be to clean with one method play, then clean with the other, then do another record reverse it, cleaning with the other method first. But you are right not really a totally scientific way to do it.

I can help. I now use a similar model (Kirmuss Record Restoration System) and used to use an enzyme with a VPI 16.5 in a TWO-STEP process before this. The US process is a winner! The difference is in the sound. The US process with alcohol in the mix adds clarity and high-end extension with details that no other process I know can do. A similar tank to his is $800 usd on Amazon. I have the basic Kirmuss Audio system (modified top lid versus a 'skewer' here) and it goes for $900 usd. ....WELL WORTH THE MONEY !!

I've watched a lot of videos of Kirmuss talking and I find it hard to believe anything he says quite frankly. Like that thing he does with the 'special shaving brush' with the spray bottle and the foam showing up on the record after each wash... it's residual soap on the brush that doesn't get rinsed. It's a carnival trick to sell cleaning machines, which incidentally is the exact same machine as this. I do like the look of the record spinner on his though. I do appreciate that he sounds like Dan Ackroyd in Ghostbusters though.

TooFriendly Your machine did come with all that stuff though, didn’t it?

utub what stuff? It only came with the record spinner thing and the machine itself, the stuff shown in the video. This is a cleaning machine manufactured by Codyson, which Kirmuss would have bought in bulk. He’s said that his is tuned to a certain frequency but I really doubt that’s true. This machine is generally used for cleaning dental tools I believe.

@@Filtersloth Oh I thought the Kirmuss ultrasonic cleaner came with the brushes and the water-soluble detergent. I guess not.

@@utub1473 this isn't a Kirmuss ultrasonic cleaner. I bought it from a record store called Real Groovy in New Zealand. Kirmuss doesn't make ultrasonic cleaners, they just buy this machine from Codyson who is the actual manufacturer. Kirmuss does have their own top attachment made though.

That's probably quite difficult to test. You could probably clean it with a brush, record it, then ultrasonic clean it and record it again. Ultimately I think the best way would be to clean half a record with each method and then check under a microscope. But I don't have one.

I might try cleaning an old test record that I have.

Hi, that is a good question. demineralised water is also known as Deionised water. the reason we are using distilled water, which is a type of purified water, is just so that there aren't any residues left behind on the record when it dries. Demineralised/deionised water has had it's non-organic salts etc removed, so it should work just as well, and be cheaper too. 'Because most non-particulate water impurities are dissolved salts, deionization produces highly pure water that is generally similar to distilled water, with the advantage that the process is quicker and does not build up scale.' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_water good luck with your record cleaning!

Hi you from Denmark. It is the same here in Norway. You can't just go buy distilled water in a local store. I had to go to a computer store who made their own distilled water used for cooling systems for PCs. It cost €10 for only 1 litre. I couldn't just poor distilled water like this guy does in this video, it would ruin us. Also, I'm not sure why he needs to rinse the LPs after using only 1% isopropanol. Isopropanol is known to vaporise itself and it doesn't leave any residue behind. Also #2, he doesn't need to use isopropanol as surfactant when ultrasonic cleaning records. The kHz used to create the microscopic waves you see is actually the water molecules breaking from H2O to H+OH, which works as a surfactant in itself.

No brush would solve it like the good result showed in this video. He could use the manual wet cleaning method, using about %15-20% isopropanol with distilled water, and wash it by hand and a microfiber cloth. I get the same results by doing this as he does in the video. There is nothing fancy about ultrasonic cleaning. Also I do not need any iso for ultrasonic cleaning, as the breaking of H2O molecules to H+OH is a surfactant itself. And 15 minute cleaning with ultrasonic? 6-7 minutes is enough, it is proven that longer than this actually damages the records with ultrasonic cleaning.

An Onzow ZeroDust

@@Filtersloth Should only use a clean dry stylus brush. What is Onzow good for? They don't say what is in it. Do you know?

@@rabarebra it’s just a sticky soft rubber thing. Similar to the material you’d get with those kids stretchy hand toys. Hard to describe, but it doesn’t leave a residue, and it can be cleaned with water when it eventually gets covered in dust. Lasts forever pretty much.

@@Filtersloth The Onzow leaves grease all over your stylus. It DO leave a residue.

@@Filtersloth A stylus brush is the only thing you need.

this was a really great tip, thanks.

Also, get rid of the detergents and surfactants, and there will be almost no spilling at all, as it is also unnecessary for ultrasonic cleaning

It also runs too fast.

quite true.. I´m thinking of getting a Vevor ultrasonic cleaner though.. Much cheaper than this one.

The cleaning system? It’s a Codyson CD-4875. It’s in the video description there somewhere.