Unboxing and review of Bernardo Profi 900 Lathe drehbank

Unboxing and review of Bernardo Profi 900 Lathe drehbank - I wish I never bought it

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10 ай бұрын

I bought this Bernardo Profi 900 lathe to use it in my own workshop. I bought a new lathe, because I wanted a lathe that worked right away, but it turned out the Bernardo lathe needed work just to be able to start using it.
Some things are quite good on the lathe, other things are terrible, in this video I will do my best to show both the good stuff and the bad stuff.
Within the first couple of minutes some of the video is low quality, sorry for this, it is only a very short time, where I have been using my smartphone for recording.
This is my personal experience, I know other Bernardo users may have different experiences, otherwise the brand surely would not have survived, but the truth is, I wish I had bought another brand and stayed away from Bernardo.
In my personal opinion this lathe is a long way from living up to Bernardo promises, maybe I was unlucky and got the worst lathe they have ever made, but I am left with something that needs a lot of work, I would have been better of buying a used lathe, at least I could have tested it, before I bought it.
If you are considering buying a Bernardo lathe, please see the video before you make up your mind, you might not be unlucky like me, but you should know the risk you are taking.
I hope you enjoy the video, take care.
25/8-23: Correction, some of the grinding noise was coming from the change gears in front, it reduced the noise somewhat, when I adjusted the backlash, I was running the lathe as it came. I think the gearbox is better, than I give it credit for in the video, but still not a silent lathe at all.

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@radboogie 5 ай бұрын

I can only imagine how disappointed you must have been to unbox a shiny new (and quite expensive) lathe only to find out that it was so badly designed and put together. I admire your gentlemanly restraint in the way you have related the experience, and thank you for sharing this so that others can make informed choices when buying a new tool 👍

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 5 ай бұрын

Thanks.

@fior2373 9 ай бұрын

I bought an Optimum lathe, I can see the similarities. Mine was a demo and slightly less than yours. I have found mine to be good so far. I opted for fully manual so all adjustments are via belt changes. I don't make that many things but they have to be accurate. Your video was very good in highlighting what to look for.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 9 ай бұрын

Thanks, happy to hear you have you had better luck with the Optimum. I bought a couple of extra Optimum chucks, the action is very good compared to the hard to turn clunky Bernardo chuck, so even that these things looks the same, there can be a big difference I have learned.

@TheDieselStop 8 ай бұрын

I was in the process of buying one but I have backed out and went with a different brand. I WILL NOT BUY A BERNARDO after seeing how customer service treated you.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 8 ай бұрын

I agree, the way they handled it is the worst part of this deal, we all know things are not perfect and mistakes happens from time to time, it is how the supplier deals with problems that shows their true color. Congrats on your new lathe.

@gerasimvaskovskiy2122 23 күн бұрын

Which one did you get instead?

@johnnyciantar 7 ай бұрын

You did a great job making this video, I feel sorry for you, this lathe is badly built as you've pointed out. I have a similar lathe built by Optimum, the machine isn't perfect but I'm extremely happy with it, for the price I paid. I was impressed with the repair job you did on the spindle, I have no doubt you'll get your lathe running really well, I'll keep a look out for any updated videos you may do.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 7 ай бұрын

Thanks, and yes, I will make it work, I have moved my workshop recently and still trying to get in place, but I will make an update at some point.

@miguelfernandez2325 6 ай бұрын

Well welcome to the club. It's so sad that any one can get scammed so easily this days. You just buy and hope you get lucky and receive what you paid for.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

I agree, it is the last time I have bought something at this price, without seeing it first.

@sinisatrlin840 8 ай бұрын

Recently i have obtained new addition to my workshop, Saimp lathe built in Padova in 1958. It is completly silent, precise, has all thread pitches, universe apart from Bernardo.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 8 ай бұрын

Yes, I should have bought a used better lathe, you are right. I bought a new lathe, because I didn´t wat to spend my time with repairs, that did not go as planned.

@grzegorzbyczynski1356 7 ай бұрын

Thank you sir! I was just about to buy either Bernardo Proficenter 880G or 900. Now I know I should stay away from this crappy brand.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 7 ай бұрын

Thanks, i am happy you found the video useful. If I was buying today, I would take a close look at Damatomacchine.

@PithyBikes 13 күн бұрын

Sorry you had to deal with all these problems. If it’s any help, I purchased a mill that had the same high motor pitch. I had to change the driver settings to stop the sound. Some machines lock you out of the factory settings. Dig around on the internet to see if anyone else has modified their settings.

@sebastjansslavitis3898 10 ай бұрын

I'm not sure, but I think it should be greased with anti corrosion oil and wrapped in plastic if its new, so probably its not new. In EU you can return your purchase in 14 days for any reason or no reason at all, and if they didn't inform you about that it automatically extends to one year. I think that's the best way to go.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 10 ай бұрын

Thanks, I agree, this lathe did not come straight from factory like this, but in any case, the quality should be better, and the paint should not be coming off like that, paint still comes off week by week. I bought the lathe through my company, and the protection and right to return it that we have as private persons, do not apply when dealing business to business. So yes, the dealer dumped this on me, and Bernardo in Austria is not willing to help it seems like. I am totally rebuilding the lathe now.

@dwp1970 6 ай бұрын

I commend you for truing up the chuck. I think my anger would have over come me at that point and would have pushed the lathe into a lake. Best of luck with the modifications.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

Thanks, if I have had lake nearby, I would probably have pushed it in too.

@ArmPowerWorkouts 3 ай бұрын

thanks for this review!

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 3 ай бұрын

Thanks.

@stevehutchins1692 8 ай бұрын

I bought 750 profi Lz with mill head and digital readouts. 95% Ok, some broken start/stop switch, some minor panel dents (probably in transit) Intermittent running etc. I had to fixed myself. Most of these machines are "manufatured" in Sieg China or Taiwan (doesn’t mean its bad) They are simply "assembled" and "branded" in the respective country. People on KZfaq saying "just return it" also dont understand the costs and logistics involved. Mine was shipped to Cyprus. Having said this, your machine has definatly been abused/dropped and i would expect Bernardo to be more accomodating. Maybe send them the video?

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 8 ай бұрын

I might send them the video, but I don´t want it to look like blackmail either, I just think they should have treated me more fair than this. I am happy that you had better luck with your lathe, the mill I bought from Bernardo are not bad either.

@melgross 8 ай бұрын

Machines made in Taiwan are very well made. These days machines made there are pretty much equal to machines made anywhere. Just don’t buy a machine from a vendor of cheap machines. High quality Taiwan made machines aren’t cheap! Chinese made machines can vary considerably. The old adage; “You get what you pay for.” Is still true.

@Audioventura 3 ай бұрын

there is no cost involved for the customer in the EU in cases like this. The machine has obvious defects.

@elefanttg 3 ай бұрын

Ich habe vorgehabt eine solche Maschine zu kaufen ?!!! Aber so eine ALBTRAUM MASCHINE .... Nein. ! Da ist Nervenzusammenbruch und Herzattacke vorprogrammiert ! Das ist der Beste nicht weiter Empfehlungs Video den ich je gesehen habe. Danke für die gute Dokumentation . Der Einzigste der jetzt noch helfen könnte wäre die Firma Bernardo selber . SIE müsste den Schrotthaufen abholen und dir eine neue hinstellen . Dann würde ich vielleicht auch eine von dieser Firma (Bernardo) kaufen. Aber so ?? Ich brauch jetzt erstmal einen SCHNAPS 🤯

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 3 ай бұрын

Ich stimme zu, danke.

@DudelPaul 3 ай бұрын

Lieber eine Wabeco

@jandanko974 Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot man! I was thinking about buying one. do not anymore. you just saved me few thousand EUR. And a lot of nerves!

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql Ай бұрын

Thanks, yes it was pretty bad.

@melgross 8 ай бұрын

It looks to me that they also painted over a thin layer of oil. This paint flaking is typical when oil is painted over. You can paint over oil when powder coating as well. In both cases the paint will badly flake off. It will smoke in a powder coat oven, so it’s easy to see what’s happening.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 8 ай бұрын

I think you are right, they have not prepared for the paint at all, and a few places the paint stick very well, probably where it have been clean.

@lwih7174 6 ай бұрын

Servus Ich habe beim gleichen Händler meine drehmaschine gekauft ( lz 700 vario) und war bis auf eine delle am unterschrank ( die vor dem auspacken nicht sichtbar war) sehr zufrieden Habe das ganze bei latu angegeben und habe sofort einen tausch oder eine gutschrift angeboten bekommen

@skunkjobb 6 ай бұрын

If you can get to the settings of the VFD, it can help to reduce the high pitch noise by changing the switch frequency (if it has such setting). You can loose a bit of power but you probably don't need full power most of the time.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

Yes, it can get better, but something is up with that motor.

@lorenzwiedemar1837 Ай бұрын

Thanks a lot for this honest review. Quite frankly, an an european educated mechanic, having worked on european machines, buying something chep from China will inevitably result in disapointment. I went throug the ordeals of buiing a chinese mini mill in order to do some hobby projects. Now my first project is to improve that shitty piece of cast iron to a certain base level, that makes the process of "hitting dimensions" something "skill based" instead of "oriental bazar".

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 29 күн бұрын

Yes agree, you will have to lower your expectations, but still, some chinese made machines are better than other.

@first_namelast_name4923 6 ай бұрын

A long time ago I have purchased a small lathe made in Russia in early 1990s or even perhaps during the last days of Soviet Union. It had some rough edges, but it wasn't nearly as bad as your machine.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

The Russian made machines from back then, that I have seen, have been very rigid, but I have only seen bigger models from Russia. I guess you can´t expect too much from relative cheap machines, but I must say I expected more.

@arbuzisdead 2 ай бұрын

@@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql у нас есть очень хорошие большие станки 1И611П, 1К62, 16Б16, ФТ11. но у нас нет хороших настольных небольших станков. в категории настольных станков и станков для хобби китайские станки очень хороши.

@dutchgray86 9 ай бұрын

You need to make longer chuck keys, the standard one isn't really useable and you could easily stick the end of it into the on switch.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 9 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right, I did hit the start button once, that is actually how I found out I could easily hold the chuck back with one hand :-)

@radboogie 5 ай бұрын

@@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql wow, I guess in that case you are lucky that the drive belt is so under-rated 😬

@kriszml Ай бұрын

Well...Thank you. Now you just helped me to make a right decision. I will stay a way from this brand. I know at the end they are all chinese lathes but for 5K+ is not exceptable. I will buy an older used bigger lathe

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql Ай бұрын

I agree, it is not worth the money, thanks.

@shapiroenterprisesltd.1057 2 ай бұрын

I am really sorry for you. It is evident that this lathe machine you bought is defective and the supplier should have changed it with a new one without questions. You should have the warranty and under EU laws the supplier is obliged to give you a non defective product. Wish you good luck.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 2 ай бұрын

Thanks.

@ralfklein5093 6 ай бұрын

Thx for your Video. I bought a Paulimot PM2700. I think all these Chinese low Price Lath´s are at the same bad Quality. 1700 Euros and 40 hours of modification. My wish is also never bougt these machine. 20 years before these machines are realy better. On my mail to Paulimot, i got an answer, in my mind i think they believe we are all stupid and nobody send the machine back. My new lathe is bild in 1956 an this one is used condition 500% better than the new Paulimot. We can only buy those machines if we are able to do al lot of modifications by oure self. All the best Ralf

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

I agree, these machines are kits that needs work - but I expected more of a machine with a retail price of 4000 Euros with taxes, even that I got it cheaper because of the missing crate. But yes, I should have spend the money on a used lathe, thanks.

@Audioventura 3 ай бұрын

you seem to have an issue with rust, so I would like to explain something concerning rust and casting. A friend of mine used to work at Pittler in Germany as an apprentice. Pittler used to be one of the high end brands for lathes. Now when my buddy was strolling over the courtyard with his mentor he asked him what all the rusty trash was doing there. The mentor almost smacked him (it was the 60s so that was still legal) and replied that this is in fact gold in the form of steel casting: Steel casting (as pretty much any casting) needs a lot of time to "relax". Of course at pittler they would remove the rust but you cannot expect this from a cheap chinese machine, but the rust in fact shows you that they gave the casting some time to rest and relax so it won't warp on you!

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 3 ай бұрын

Yes, that is how you make cast parts, I am a mechanic, and I know a lot about cast engine parts, and how they are made and what makes a good part. And this lathe is the worst I have seen, at least they could have cleaned the casting before they put on filler and paint, which they did not. I have had two small Chinese lathes before, they were both really cheap and much better build quality. I also bought a Bernardo BF30 mill at the same time as the lathe, the mill is from another planet compared to the lathe, the mill have quite good castings and is quite well put together, if the lathe have had the same build quality, I would have been happy.

@blc6464 8 ай бұрын

I bought a Vevor lathe and I thought it was bad .It is but nothing I cant fix. but you should try and get your money back.What a rip. Thanks for the warning

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 8 ай бұрын

I agree, I have bought lots of Vevor products, they are cheap and not always perfect, but never as bad as this Bernardo, that was not cheap either. Your welcome, thanks.

@greatvaluewalmart 5 ай бұрын

KZfaq likes to show us videos of lathe beds being cast in the ground in Pakistan by men in sandals and then I see this. A new nearly 5000$ lathe that looks like this.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 5 ай бұрын

Yes, those guys in sandals casting stuff have a tough job.

@Tropaxseli 3 ай бұрын

I was going to invest in a lathe from them this summer. I think I'll rather buy a cheap Chinese lathe now. At least there you get what you pay for, and the quality is better than this one

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 3 ай бұрын

I agree, I have had two smaller really cheap Chinese lathes before, they were better value for money. I wish I had bought the Sieg C10, those also cut threads without messing with change gears, or maybe Damatomacchine.

@keesmotormuisvanbergen 3 ай бұрын

So disappointing to experience this. Bernardo should solve this regardless from witch company you bought it. I had a bad experience with the elektonic board from a new mill. (Onother brand) I made pictures and a video of the problem. The company send me a new elektronic board. Mo doubt you'll get your lathe running well again. It will be a lot of work. I realy hope that your lathe becomes better. My respect for your efforts to get the lathe running again as it should be.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 3 ай бұрын

Thanks.

@keithammleter3824 29 күн бұрын

Trab, you bought a generic Chinese-made lathe with a local brand name on it. In my experience, the design of Chinese lathes is good, but the build quality is low. A generous coating of rust under the paint is normal with low cost Chinese lathes. So is holes drilled in the wrong places. You have choices - you can buy a quality European-made lathe, or you can buy a bigger Chinese lathe for half the price or less - but you will have to dissassemble it and rebuild the cheap Chinese lathe before you use it. One thing you must do: dissassemble the headstock and apron, anything that holds oil, and clean out the casting sand, metal shavings, and general rubbish the Chinese factories usually include at no extra charge.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 29 күн бұрын

Thanks for your comment, I agree, you have to lower your expectations when buying these Chinese machines and expect some work on it, but still, some are better than other. I have had mine own small workshop for 30 years, I have had lots of Chinese stuff through the years and still have, this is the third Chinese lathe, even the 600 Euro minilathe I had was a lot better build quality. Since 2009 I have had my own import company, I import air compressors, welders and stuff like that from China that I sell on my own webshops, so I know more about Chinese goods than most - this lathe is really worse than you should expect, even from the cheapest stuff, and it is not that cheap. Everyone have their right to their own opinion, I am just showing it like it is, if someone is happy to pay 4000 Euro for what I received, they should go ahead and buy one i guess. The mill I bought from Bernardo is quite well made, I believe it must be from another factory.

@Petrolhead66 4 ай бұрын

Watch a vid on colchester making lathes. They use a lot of filler

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 3 ай бұрын

Yes I agree, but I suppose they at least clean off the castings, so the filler stays on there.

@doneaston6989 6 ай бұрын

looks used to me been there done that

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

You are probably right about that.

@briancarruthers1738 5 ай бұрын

I was contemplating buying one of these but not anymore

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 5 ай бұрын

I would not buy it again either, if I was to buy now, I would take a close look at Damatomacchine

@PaulPassarelli 3 ай бұрын

Wow! So you're going to keep improving that hunk of scrap iron? I wouldn't have the patience.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 3 ай бұрын

You are right, it is the wrong platform to build on.

@constantinosschinas4503 5 ай бұрын

The backplate must have been painted without any surface oil removed or any treatment ro the surface, to start with...

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 5 ай бұрын

I agree, you can see precise rust marks on the backside of the paint, so it has not been prepared.

@constantinosschinas4503 5 ай бұрын

@@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql The thick rust in other spots was just hilarious. Saw it after writing the comment. Still, hope it serves you well!

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 5 ай бұрын

@@constantinosschinas4503 We know these are crude castings, and that is ok, but at least they could have sandblasted it before paint, behind the motor it was even worse, I found that after.

@arbuzisdead 2 ай бұрын

Кажется качество не соответствует цене. На фоне этого китайский WBL290F выглядит гораздо лучше и за меньшую цену. Надеюсь ты сможешь доработать этот станок и он будет приносить пользу.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 2 ай бұрын

Thanks, I agree, the Weiss WLB290 would have been a lot better, I have other Weiss equipment that are much better quality.

@Shazzzam74 5 ай бұрын

Wow. That lathe was truly in a horrible state. Had you not gone in there to grind the taper on the spindle mount that lathe would be totally useless. What a shame.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 5 ай бұрын

Yes, not what you imagine buying a new lathe.

@dumyjobby 5 ай бұрын

i was looking to buy one of their lathes but no no no not anymore

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 5 ай бұрын

I would not buy it again either.

@Arckivio 8 ай бұрын

One word, Damatomacchine!!!

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 8 ай бұрын

Yes, I wish I had bought a lathe from them instead, they look nice.

@Arckivio 8 ай бұрын

@@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql The big difference with them is I think they build the larger ones in Italy. By build, I mean they order all parts of the bigger machines & assemble on site. Much cheaper for them to buy lathe beds or milling machine tables, tailstocks etc separately as you can ship 10 lathes in the same size crate as 4 pre built lathes. I got the Multitech 800 & it was a 30 day wait & that can't be for shipping from China. It was perfect right out the box. Even the cheap chuck is accurate. I had it shipped to the UK as it was bigger & cheaper than anything in the UK.

@sinisatrlin840 8 ай бұрын

12.20 All professional lathes have safety clutch that slips when things go wrong. Two of my lathes have safety clutches in main drive and feed. Small Saimp has safety clutch in main drive gearbox and shear pins in feed and thread. That small belt is safety feature, belive it or not.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 8 ай бұрын

I think you could be right, but too much safety for me then, when I can hold it with one hand easy, off course it also stops if I want to use a larger drill bit or something like that. It have 320 swing, so you expect it to be able to do a little more work than a minilathe :-) It is not even as strong as a small drill press, I don´t think the belt can transfer much more than 500 watt, unless I tighten it as a guitar string.

@sinisatrlin840 8 ай бұрын

@@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql Chinese are not stupid, they know that 80% of potential users have never seen lathe before and bad things are imminent to happen. In your place i would make new pulleys and would use 13mm belt, that would improve things quite a bit. Timing belt and geared timing pulleys are also a option + idler roller for tightening the belt, but that would need some serious work and small scale calculations.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 8 ай бұрын

@@sinisatrlin840 I agree, I am moving into another workshop right now, but I am replacing the belt with a much wider multirib belt, I have got hold of the pulleys, that belt can take the power. I might also replace the motor, that motor is so loud you won´t belive it, maybe it also have to do with settings in the VFD, but I have to look into that.

@sinisatrlin840 8 ай бұрын

@@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql In your place i would buy used Omron/Yaskawa VFD + braking resistor and used 4 pole 3 phase motor up to 2,2KW, 1,5KW should be fine also. Bad VFDs can induce noise through producing awful lot of harmonics, bad ac motors can be out of balance. Program VFD to induce DC braking when stopping and ramp up start as you wish so you will have like clutch feeling.

@sinisatrlin840 8 ай бұрын

@@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql Using longer multirib belt is great solution, but try to install roller idler for tightening through excentric mechanism. Changing Lo/Hi would than take 10 sec.

@greatvaluewalmart 5 ай бұрын

After watching most of the video and having used 20+ yo Taiwanese machines I appreciate your persistence but feel sorry for you spending that much money and your time.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 5 ай бұрын

Thanks

@dutchgray86 9 ай бұрын

These import machines are very much built to meet the required price point, but yours seems to have a lot of issues. The paint on the chip guard, they must have completely forgotten to prep the material. The filler on the casting was a common method even on high quality machinery. The drive belt arrangement is terrible, it will work but won't have a long belt life. Machine tools pretty much always leak oil, I wouldn't worry too much about that.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 9 ай бұрын

Yes, I think your are right, truth is I didn´t expect perfection, but I wish I had spend the money on a used lathe of better quality to start with.

@dutchgray86 8 ай бұрын

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql I'm picking up an 1972 Dean Smith and Grace 1307 by 40" centres tomorrow that is in excellent condition. It was £3000. Used is the way to go, but inspecting the machine is necessary.

@melgross 8 ай бұрын

No, they don’t pretty much always leak oil. If they do, there is something wrong.

@FireGodSpeed 6 ай бұрын

AS someone from Austria, i can guarantee you this is not Austrian quality and whoever sold you this piece of junk and then told you "paint it yourself" definitely doesn't give a shit and never got any costumer really complaining and this would never fly with almost ANY manufacturer because they can get in a lot of legal trouble and they know it. As someone who works in a foundry i have to guess these lathes are outsourced in China.. We get some inclusions here and there but a casting so rough you have to use filler? idk.. If i were you i would have told them to get this right or you will contact your lawyer. Consumer rights are pretty strong in Austria. And yet you still went up and beyond with trying to fix it, i simply wouldn't have let them push me around like that. Honestly whoever thought it was a good idea to slap Austria on this piece of shit was stupid af. (In most cases, guarantors guarantee that a product shall be free from defects for a certain period of time (generally between one and five years). Should the product stop working within this time, the Guarantee claims undertaken by the guarantor in the Guarantee policy can be asserted against him/her (repair, replacement, reimbursement of purchase price or other remedy). If the manufacturing company guarantees the shelf life for a certain period of time, then it is regulated by law that consumers shall have an immediate claim for improvement or replacement of the item against the manufacturing company during this period. In contrast to Warranty claims, it is not relevant for the assertion of rights from the Guarantee whether the defect was already present on delivery of the product or whether it occurred subsequently.)

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

Thanks, I don´t think this is Austrian standart either. Problem in this case is, I bought it from a German dealer, and it was my company that bought it, business to business deals are not protected by law the same way as consumers are. But I must admit it has been the worst experience ever buying something new like this.

@benneves6649 7 ай бұрын

The worst part was that polish and pitting on the topslide. You couldn't fit anything in those milling slots with confidence. It looks like someone attacked that topslide surface with a flapdisc. A clear indication this lathe was allowed to rust, then tarted up for sale. What an awful brand.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 7 ай бұрын

I agree, that is what it looks like to me as well.

@quadplay2591 6 ай бұрын

Dreadful, a lot of Chinese imported lathes have issues. But certain importers do insist on good quality control... Bernardo are not one of them I'm afraid.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

I agree, not in this case at least.

@justtim9767 9 күн бұрын

That really sucks.

@kellyodom9596 9 ай бұрын

Buy used American quality iron, you won’t be disappointed.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 9 ай бұрын

Agree, I should have bought a used quality lathe instead.

@melgross 8 ай бұрын

Ok, so I’ve been doing this for over 55 years. When posters say to buy old American iron, they usually have never done any machining and are just parroting what they hear. Old machines are just that. Old industrial machines can be completely worn out by the time a home shop person sees that very low price. The problem with old machines is that often, unless you’re lucky, you have to have the experience and tooling to fix, adjust, and repair these machines before they work properly. If you can’t do that, then buying one can be a very bad idea.

@sinisatrlin840 8 ай бұрын

Used Schaublin, Weiler or any high grade Euro lathe will set you back at least 4-5 thausents if in good condition. Mint is 10 or 15,000. I was lucky to buy excellent Italian lathe for peanuts, but would not count on same luck again.

@sinisatrlin840 8 ай бұрын

@@melgross I had a mill from production and it was worn out, i scraped it. I also now have Potisje 631P lathe built in 1982 that was in maintenance division in company near me, it worked one hour in 7 days. Company have closed in 1990. It was conserved untill 2005 when i bouth it. I have repainted it and i have changed most of radial seals beacouse of age. But from all aspects it is new, or like new machine. I also have tool room mil TOS FN25 that is in like new condition. There are some good and pristine condition machines out there, but we must know what and how to look. And to have little bit of luck.

@melgross 8 ай бұрын

@@sinisatrlin840 also, to know how to repair and bring them up to working order. As you were able to. I’ve done it as well. I’m objecting to people being told to buy old machines. American companies haven’t been in business for 20-30 years now, so all of those products are old. Many are worn out. Parts aren’t available or are extremely expensive. Newcomers to this don’t know anything about machines and have no way to bring g them up to a useful working level. They may get very lucky and get a good one, but it is just luck. I don’t think it’s worth the chance.

@Audioventura 3 ай бұрын

"and he offered me some paint" sorry that is not what is written in the Email. On top he offered you some "naturals", which I think means you can choose some additional item and get it for free. Given that this really just an optical issue I consider that a fair deal. Also: you could have simply asked for a replacement unit and he would have had to comply given EU laws.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 3 ай бұрын

I have made the video as transparent as possible, so everyone can make up their own mind, there will always be different opinions in these cases. The lathe have a retail price of 4000 Euro, I understand you would be happy buying this lathe, and recieve what I got, fair enough, then this lathe might be something for you, others might not agree. If you have seen the hole video, you know there is a lot more going on, than an optical issue. I have left out something as well, the video allready got too long. It is a business to business deal that is made with no warrenty, in a B2B deal there are no EU laws to protect the buyer, there is only whatever agreement seller and buyer agree on, therefore there are no VAT on the invoice, and no, I could not simply ask for a replacment in this case.

@Audioventura 3 ай бұрын

@@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql Sorry but I have to insist. You did not translate the email correctly. You left out an important part. In times of accurate automatic translation there is no excuse for that. As for the B2B deals: Even as a business client you have a right to receive goods free of damages / stuff that works according to the specifications. If that is not the case you can return it according to 1999/44/EG.

@ericnewton5720 4 ай бұрын

Caveat emptor.

@donalddepew9605 9 ай бұрын

Well take it back to Bernardo and get your money back. It's a piece of junk. Many of would think that an Austrian machine would be of higher quality. Very sad situation.

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 9 ай бұрын

I agree, they dumped a piece of junk on me here, I should have bought a used and better quality lathe instead.

@claeswikberg8958 6 ай бұрын

what a fucking joke! i would be soo mad!

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

Then we are two :-)

@edwardhiggins1295 10 ай бұрын

BOY YOU GOT SCREWED

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 10 ай бұрын

I totally agree.

@quadplay2591 6 ай бұрын

Yep he did... very sorry for the guy. Bernardo should take it back for a full refund. But they won't... 😢

@GnosisMan50 6 ай бұрын

Whatever good you find on this lathe, the bad nullifies it. If this happened to me, I'd be mad as hell about it and it would be my mission in life to send it back for a full refund. It is an utter disgrace that substandard Chinese machines are now the norm and we let them get away with it. If this was a car, rest assured no one would buy them. As a machinists myself of 45 years, there is no way in hell I'd buy a Chinese lathe. You are better off restoring an old one. The Univ where I work, they bought a Baileigh milling machine which is a copycat of a Bridgeport. This mill is a piece of crap! It's an outrage that machines are being made so badly and then you have to spend time and effort making "upgrades" to fix them. It's depressing as hell that products being made today are crap. Fuck these Chinese made machines!!

@TRABWorkshop-ri4ql 6 ай бұрын

I agree, at this price I was expecting more, even that it is a Chinese product.

@ikbendusan 5 күн бұрын

my dad bought some cheap chinese piece of trash (cjm280 it was called) for like 1k euros and even that is better than this. he's got a metric + imperial gearbox. it's also very loud and therefore unpleasant to use.