Understanding a rifle barrel (a rifleman's perspective)

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@kevingibson2148 3 жыл бұрын

Mark I will listen to you ramble anytime you feel like rambling. Thanks so much.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kev, cheers

@holl0918 3 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork One man's rambling is another man's wisdom.

@dmperry1974 3 жыл бұрын

Especially with a pint of beer.

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@shanegibb997 3 жыл бұрын

That was a very good talk on barrels etc , a lot of very helpful information , thanks Mark 👍

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Shane, thanks

@chrischiampo7647 3 жыл бұрын

The Mirage Effect of Mounting The Scope Is Something I’ve Never Experienced But I Never Thought About That as a Factor Thanks Mark Excellent Advice and Facts 😲😀😊👍🏼

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Chris, thanks

@jprracing1 3 жыл бұрын

Hello, very appreciate your time invested in your video series! As you said, the cleaning regime depends.... Here in the Austrian Alps foxhunting is mostly done in the winter months where thetemperature can be as low as -20°C. If i do not clean and oil (very light layer of clp) after only 1 shot, the barrel will rust due to condensation when you take the cold gun inside a warm room or car etc.. after a hunt. A surpressor will make the corrosion problem worse, when not remooved from the barrel and dryed out.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and I would only use stainless barrels in your neck of the woods, but would still be very important keep a light oil coating there, Cheers

@1marmith1 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark, common sense as always. Love your work Mate.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@joshuagibson2520 3 жыл бұрын

I do more airgunning than anything these days. The distances aren't as far, but everything still applies, except barrel heat. I always learn something from watching this channel. At 42 I'm never too old to learn something new. Thank you for sharing the gold mine of info and data that you do. Cheers from the mountains of Tennessee.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Josh, thanks

@DanielBoone337 3 жыл бұрын

From what I've been told and read is that... As long as a barrel is heat treated right, stress relieved right, and if your barrel is broken in right (if you subscribe to barrel break ins) your groups can open up slightly and from what I've seen with my rifles is it's not going to be very much. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@paulharding1621 3 жыл бұрын

That’s a clear ramble so keep it up. I like your cleaning philosophy, I have a Tikka .270 hunting rifle that is 30+ years old still half MOA . Always shoots the first round after cleaning high and right, then settles in again.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

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@rideswift 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Mark. I agree 100%. we've all had that rifle that you can almost abuse and it never shoots bad. We've also had that rifle that is very finicky and needs constant cleaning. I've even seen this translate into brass longevity. I have a few rifles that are running stout loads and the brass is like new after many reloads. It also seems that the rifles that need a lot of attention are hard on brass, even though comparatively they are not running as hard as others. At the end of the day, these are man made and everyone will be different.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, glad you liked, Cheers

@lovetoflylovetofly3843 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your thought process with us, it makes sense to me. I too, like others have been cleaning the same as you, it's working great so far......4 yrs running!

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Good to hear. Glad you like. Cheers

@slatsgrobneck7515 2 жыл бұрын

Great info on barrels. Much appreciated and very helpful.

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Slats

@robinepps7274 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative!

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@paststeve1 3 жыл бұрын

Great video!! Fastest 29 minute video I've watched for quite some time. Had an issue with my .270 Win some years ago. It went from tack driving to erratic very quickly. Found out later that my hand-loader buddy had run out of my preferred powder mid-batch and used another brand that was supposed to be "just like" it. He doesn't load for me anymore.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

That would caused some hair loss, lol, glad you liked the video, Cheers

@-DHR4870 3 жыл бұрын

I learnt so much, so quick. Very easy to understand....and more. Thanks 👍😊

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

@Jeff_Seely 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video, Mark. You have raised some excellent points. I've never been big on meticulous barrel cleaning. I see guys meticulously scrub and scrub to get their patches not to turn green. When all along you want that copper. Carbon is the barrel killer which is hydroscopic and will draw moisture to attack your bore. I clean to remove that. But this video has made some really good points that I will adopt as more serious considerations. Thank you very much! I love videos like these 😀

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff, cheers man, all the best.

@johnx9318 3 жыл бұрын

Great info. Thanks Mark and Sam.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@andrew8212 Ай бұрын

I've been working in specialty alloys for 15+ years now & this video got me wanting to get into gunsmithing so I can experiment with different barrel materials. Most seem to use 4140, which is a very basic high tensile alloy, mostly used for shafts/pins, it's cheap & abundant. Some of the toolsteels are designed to be stable & not move/warp/expand at high temps. A hot work steel like H13/W302 would be quite happy at 300c all day. Could potentially use a barrel half as thick/heavy and get the same results.

@markandsamafterwork Ай бұрын

Cheers

@prone_wolf8871 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent discussion 👏 👏👍👍 I use your method of break in and cleaning since I've learned it....no issues thus far.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, great to hear, thanks

@SocialRegressive 3 жыл бұрын

Great notes as usual, Mark. You always give me something new to think about.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kyle, glad you liked man, cheers and all the best.

@johnbladen4931 3 жыл бұрын

Thank You Mark, for a good alternative explaination, on this subject. JB

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks John, Cheers

@dinoc.5537 3 жыл бұрын

The cleaning topic will always be controversial and difficult to organize or standardize due to all the differences in shooting contexts. Your remarks on the damage from heat and shooting tempo are important. The properties that make most common barrel steels useful include hot hardness. Many steels begin to rapidly loose their hardness as low as 400 C. It is not difficult to understand that machine guns can easily wear out a barrel but it takes hobbyists and shooters a while to wrap their heads around these concepts with their sporting bolt guns. Wearing out a bolt action barrel prematurely with rapid fire strings because the surfaces near the throat hit these temperatures is common. Unless your rules or competitions require long rapid fire strings, it is good advice to avoid them. Nice talk Mark.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

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@1superglide2 3 жыл бұрын

If it aint broke dont fix it . Now that is spot on .Once the rifles shooting good dont screw around with it ,makes sense to me .

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, glad you liked. Cheers

@johnventers5128 3 жыл бұрын

More great info. Mirrors my own thaught on the topic. Thanks

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers John, thanks

@Tikka300- 3 жыл бұрын

Great information as usual mate love watching your videos 👍👍👍

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Trev, Cheers

@joshuapalmer3458 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark much appreciated

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@paststeve1 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Sam! This comment is to boost my digital buddy, Al Go-Rhythm!

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Steve, Cheers

@JPsaysno 3 жыл бұрын

Super info. Thanks

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@warbirdflyerF4U 2 жыл бұрын

Very good video I love watching you and Sam shoot And you're extremely knowledgeable on all of the of the basics and fundamentals of everything going on with a rifle If myself I shoot banterest competition but I keep my loads moderate enough not to burn out my barrels Once again thank you for your awesome videos

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt, Cheers

@nimik221 3 жыл бұрын

Great info! My take away from this is, don't stress about thermal management and barrel cleaning unless you're shooting a rail gun. Keep it simple and stop compounding problems.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Or, do what you need, and not what you don't need. Cheers

@davepartlow6430 3 жыл бұрын

Very good Mark. Also note that barrel manufacturers have their own recommended break-in procedure to follow, particularly if your worried about any warranty they may provide.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, Cheers

@jimklemens5018 Жыл бұрын

How would a barrel manufacturer know how you did the break in procedure?

@bobwiese6128 3 жыл бұрын

Very excellent thank you!

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@john1349 3 жыл бұрын

If you haven’t seen Eric Cortina’s tuning break, check it out. You can (on the fly) tune barrel harmonics to a load v/s only tweaking loads to the barrel. You optimize to any given load. If you have a chance to check it out, would love your take.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Ah the magic cure all... yes see them, not a new idea and not planning to use them or any other tuners, as said in a few videos, not how I do things, Cheers

@philippefrater2000 2 жыл бұрын

I still don't have the time for reloading. I found my X-Bolt 243 is perfectly shooting with 100 grs S&B Soft points. Same with my A-Bolt 222 with 50 grs Fmj Hp Fiocchi. Never change a good team... 👌🏻 🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🖖🏻

@markandsamafterwork 2 жыл бұрын

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@joseoropeza5694 3 жыл бұрын

You awesome. Thank you

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@jimgilligan396 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark, I appreciate your opinion.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

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@freddyw4555 3 ай бұрын

Good one. M14 308. 10 rds good then they start to string out lower right 8”. The barrel must heat up and start to warp after 10 rds

@markandsamafterwork 3 ай бұрын

Cheers

@Fudmottin 3 жыл бұрын

Any advice that limits the amount of cleaning is welcome to the ears of someone who hates the cleaning process! 😉

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Lol, Cheers

@deere2420 3 жыл бұрын

I’d like to know your thoughts on carbon fiber barrels. Thanks for all the information man your the best.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

If and when I test them I will do a video...Cheers

@ktaktargets5669 3 жыл бұрын

I have a small wildcat, a 7.62x40WT (essentially a modified 223 case that has been necked up to 30 cal) that after 5800 rounds is still a sub moa rifle.... It was never formally "broken in". Just took it out and shot it, and still do. Don't clean it much either probably after 3-400 rounds sometimes more. And this is a direct impingement gas gun, not known for staying clean. Simply put, it just shoots.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@oldschooljack3479 3 жыл бұрын

I needed to hear this... Figure out what works decent and then shoot the damn thing. However, the virus and associated shortages have forced me to resort to new and different powders and bullets. So lately it seems I'm constantly forced to develop new loads based on what is available when I go to town. Hope all is well with you and Sam.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Yes we are good, look after yourself too, Cheers

@rsvarminters9083 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Mark and Sam Nice chat as always. :) Are you guys down under having issues getting Powder and Primers like we are in the US ? Just wondering.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, same all over the world, Cheers

@chetcogar3758 3 жыл бұрын

I believe it is all a part of their plan

@JohnSmith-ir5pv 3 жыл бұрын

1 shot clean 2 shot clean 3 shot clean 4 shot clean 5 shot clean 5 shot clean. Thats what i do for break in.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@andreolivier8530 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark Good job on all the videos and info you give it's very helpful. I really enjoyed the last 22 magnum video you made shooting all the tins of fizzy enemies🤣 it was something different from the normal shooting. I have a question I'm hoping you could tell me what you would have gone for. I've just got a 50BMG with a 1:15 twist and 33" barrel, the bullets I want to load is Peregrine and it comes in 750gr (61.19mm long) 850gr (63.70mm) and a 870gr but I don't know it's length. They are all solid copper, which weight would you recommend out of those 3 for ranges going from 1000m - 3200m that could do it all? I live 1200m above see level. Stay safe cheers

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, you would test, as always lots more to it than you might think, but not sure you have the twist to run the heavies, FYI if looking for more info than on the channel, consider becoming a 4AW member, there is a little more we can offer for team members, Cheers

@walterwjr947 Жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, very, very informative video.... You did say, "work harden", correct? Cheers!

@markandsamafterwork Жыл бұрын

Yep, Cheers

@stevewright3154 3 жыл бұрын

Hi mark ,great advice , what powder are you using in your 243 .

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

2209

@tjarmand 3 жыл бұрын

i only clean my barrels when they stop shooting at the accuracy i know it normally shoots.. it has always worked well for me..

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@br4713 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. With chrome-moly steel barrels I also clean if I feel there is a risk of corrosion. I also think that the first bullet(s) shot in a 100% clean barrel will produce flyers (different velocities and friction vs a fouled barrel)

@tjarmand 3 жыл бұрын

@@br4713 spot on mate.... i think its awesome you make some of the shots at elr distance without really doing a load workup.. do you think maybe it would get you on target faster if you did? just curious what you think. i havent had much luck without doing it. sometimes id get lucky and get a good result but i found if i really want to keep the es down i have to at least do a powder charge test even if i skip the seating depth test..

@br4713 3 жыл бұрын

@@tjarmand I make some load developments too. First I look for my max powder charge, so I know what is the load I can use safely (a bit lower than this max to be able to use it at higher temperature). Then I get the accurracy by adjusting the seating depth.

@RealDeanWinchester 3 жыл бұрын

One huge myth floating around gun land is that carbon fiber 22 barrels don't get hot. In reality they get hotter than hades because the heat can't reach the surface.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, lol, Cheers

@exothermal.sprocket 3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of motorcycle exhaust mufflers in the aftermarket. The carbon canister sure works well preventing scorching heat from the surface. Same thing for gun barrels. I'd say it's an insulator.

@aussiesteveakastevecallagh2280 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great info Mark , Mate I’ve got to the point with my F class set up has gone off the boil and it’s time to replace the barrel , the action is an old Omark 44 in .308 win , I had a conversation with my gunsmith and he has recommended a True flight s/s bull barrel I have had nothing to do with this make and wondering what you think if you have anything to do with them or what you would recommend as a replacement for this set up . Thanks Steve .

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

They are good barrels, I have used a couple, Cheers

@aussiesteveakastevecallagh2280 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate I’ll give them a try . Steve

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@ronwright1456 10 күн бұрын

Maybe I'm wrong, but we'ren a barrel heats up. There should be less pressure because it expands not not contracts. That would mean less pressure on the board. Not more, do you see this this way? Or am I seeing something wrong?Please comment

@markandsamafterwork 10 күн бұрын

Quite wrong, more heat, more pressure... Cheers

@ronilim233 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark when are you gonna test the new Savage Impulse ?

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

No sorry we don't have any connection to test Savages rifle, the importers don't feel the need to help, Cheers

@larryheard6621 3 жыл бұрын

Mark I hope you guys are not close to the fires East of Perth if you are be safe

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Not far of, but we are all good, Cheers

@markmacdonald6036 3 жыл бұрын

What's your opinion on the .17 WSM round? I'm buying one of the new generation of the Savage Bmags in a Boyd's stock, and a heavy fluted barrel. I'm coming from a Ruger American .17 HMR that shoots ragged holes at 100m and cheap ammo, but wanted the extra range and wind deflection the WSM has to offer, without going to a centerfire and having to hand load to keep costs down as varmint ammo is 2 or 3 bucks a pop. Is the WSM too much for the projectiles to be accurate? There's more negatives online regarding accuracy than positives... hopefully stemming from the poor quality sporter Bmags.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

I have not used, so wouldn't comment, Cheers

@br4713 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 17 hornet, which has even more powder capacity, and it is accurate. I dont't think the velocities can be an issue. I think you should consider a very important aspect since it uses factory ammunition : the ammo availability in your country. The .17 of my dreams would be the 17 Fireball

@landcruiserchewy Жыл бұрын

I have a B-Mag 17WSM with heavy barrel and Boyd’s Adjustable stock. Tack driver and extremely accurate! Keep in mind that some online can’t shoot for sh1$!

@davidmulligan7067 3 жыл бұрын

What about high humidy. Would the barrel foul up much quicker and cause damage?

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

As said would see, adjust to your conditions, more moister means the need for more protection, beyond that you need to work out what your stuff needs.

@davidmulligan7067 3 жыл бұрын

I only use factory rounds of Hornady 55g. I find that it suits my 223 Tikka t3 lite. The laws are strict in Ireland so haven't heard many people loading.

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Same answer, you need to see what works for you, Cheers

@genedavis759 3 жыл бұрын

Does fluting a barrel affect its performance?

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

A little less weight v stiffness! Cheers

@robertbenton6649 3 жыл бұрын

1st?

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@ianfarr-wharton1000 3 жыл бұрын

Here is a barrel one for you, with the new 6.8 western, Browning makes all there 6.8 western rifle barrels 26" and Winchester makes all there 6.8 western rifles barrels in 24" why ???

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Well, another sales venture, short to suit the hunter, really just to try and sell rifles and ammo that you don't already have, give it a few years and see if it has worked or just another swing and a miss, lol, Cheers

@dougn4942 3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate you're info but it is a long video for me right now

@markandsamafterwork 3 жыл бұрын

Lol, Cheers

@Yettiattack Жыл бұрын

I hope you make a butt load of coin. You sponsor no one an are one the most knowledgeable people on the internet. Any company you may spay out out of random should be paying you. If not payed by the government.

@markandsamafterwork Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan, and FYI, we do not charge nor have ever been paid, sometimes we get some nice products, but never funds, Cheers

@DickLickBiden-zy3nf 4 ай бұрын

Thank you Mark, very good information ive taken to heart. I just got a new tikka barrel and was thinking of "breaking" it in. Will try taking it very slow and ensure the bore is very cool the first shots and break in portion of getting this barrel shooting well.

@markandsamafterwork 4 ай бұрын

Thanks Man