Good to know!

isn't it murphys law??

@@yasthemann lol. Lmao

Just for the sake of anyone who's confused. Cunningham's law states that saying something you know is wrong on the internet is the quickest way to get information (because people will spring in to correct you).

@@DogsandPennies bro omg 😭

:(

He's gotta learn somehow 🤷‍♂

That’s very very disappointing

​@@Fredbear185Children should NEVER, NEVER be beaten. If you think abuse is a good thing to do PLEASE never have children. Actually, never even be around them

@@Fredbear185can someone make sure this person isnt legally allowed within a 10 mile radius of any child? thanks

Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are just a tad too quick to forgive Stopframe when he was just as conniving as Clay through most of the show. Just biding his time, waiting for Bloberta’s infidelity to destroy the marriage, all while Shapey is an unwitting victim of it all. Like, I understand that Stopframe ultimately did the right thing by rejecting Clay and forging a better relationship with Orel, but yeah, my man was a jackass for the majority of the show before that.

@@gothicMCRgirl I think it’s because unlike Clay Stopframe realizes that being a piece of shit isn’t getting him any where and finds joy in being a decent person

@@ethanspicer3471 it's still disgusting tho. I could never forgive someone like that. And orel doesn't know what stopframe did, thats why he is so forgiving to him.

Sigma Type Grind. I love to see it

Someone did something similar to me once. They got with my ex to make me jealous, ended up making lies up about me to make him hate me. It ended with everyone going their own ways, clearly fucked up due to the shit that happened. They came clean two years later that nothing was true. Me and the guy got back together, and a whole lot of pain could have been avoided

I think there's also a picture of an adult shapey as a cop hanging above the couch

It can also be read to a testament of how good hearted he really is at his core, that despite everything his parents have done to him, that he can still unconditionally love them, while not forgetting their past actions. I find it sweet. Sad, but also sweet.

The truth is, speaking from personal experience of abusive parents, you can both love your abusive, garbage parents and still abhor their vile acts. Both can exist at the same time. Now I personally agree with you. My dad was a POS to me my entire childhood and I damn sure won’t be honoring him, but some people still love their parents and honor them despite the damage and trauma they’ve caused. I have no idea how they do it but they do.

​@garydomaz1849 you ain't alone, being blood is never enough.

Honor thy father and thy mother, he wants to be good even if others aren't

I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got

@@afellowpotatoyes

After being told exactly **why** Moral Orel was cancelled, it will always leave a permanent distaste in my mouth for adult swim

@@melynn_0355I feel like the show definitely went too far and I don’t blame them for pulling the plug

@@armoredman6941It's tough because while I empathize with people who have been abused or can't watch certain parts of the show for other reasons, the reality of abuse is why we need shows like Moral Orel to help confront it in the first place. There's people who suffered from abuse who find validation of their experiences and a voice in this show.

This makes me really happy to hear. If I'm ever lucky enough to meet him I'll for sure bring up this show!

And then everyone clapped

@@Eggly69 because nothing ever happens?

@@adam_stanheight If someone says it in the comments sections, 9/10 times it's a lie for clout and those sweet updoots

​@@Eggly69 Like how you're whining so you can pretend you look smart and get updoots 😂

Either that or it's named like GPU's. Then the next iteration is gonna be the Lust Guard 365™ where you have to pay a subscription or the screen goes transparent

@@Meromorphic Will it have a bluetooth speaker?

​@@waldornprime5567 And they will be playing audio from videos on orange youtube.

Sounds like apple

It is odd and since the true depths of their relationship are kept vague it's hard to say. By all means, it seemed like at the very least an emotional affair. but the show almost all but shows us they could've been in a sexual relationship as well. If you recall the collage of photos of Clay and Daniel having a picnic in the episode "Satan". There was also some shots of them leaving the bar together to another location or coming over to one's house. Plus the almost public gay kiss in "Nesting" which was quite bold in a place like Moralton, but neither seemed to hesitate. So it's like ??? I guess they were doing *something*. So why not just keep doing the affair and keep up the image of the marriage? I guess Stopframe wanted Clay entirely to himself, although it seemed he nearly had that all but in official name??? It's one part of the story I wish had a tiny bit more explaination since it was one of the key reasons the family was fractured and seemingly a big plotpoint.

I remember Stopframe saying something about wanting to be closer to Clay when it was called out by him. So it's either he was trying to break up his marriage or the fact that Boberta had a child with clay made him feel like they'd be closer if they both had kids with her? Iike him and Clay having their own little family

@Just_a_DHMIS_fan wouldnt surprise me if hes also kinda drunk when he drives

He’s the mayor I’d be crashing into stuff too

Did you notice that orel fell in a family guy fall

“I blame myself for how you treat Orel.” That’s a very narcissistic way of apologizing. Like dude just fucking apologize to your son for being a dick.

This happens very often. Grandparents acting nice to grandkids is often them just them trying to wiggle their way into heaven for the terrible things they did to their kids.

And I think Arthur is still in the wrong for not giving Clay a reality check along with some empathy. So much wrong could’ve been avoided had Arthur only acknowledged the pain Clay had endured, and doubled down on not letting him continue the cycle.

​@@alfonshedstrom9859Given what the creator said about what the had planned for seasons after 3 with the grandfather being less religious, I doubt this was the reason Arthur was kind to Orel. He seemed to genuinely realize he'd been a piece of shit to his kid and was trying not to fuck up Orel, protecting his innocence on where chickens come from and trying to teach him about lying.

@@alfonshedstrom9859 That's so ironic for you to say that, since Arthur is agnostic, so he doesn't give a single shit about "getting into heaven", he just got wiser and realised what he did wrong.

It makes a lot of sense.

Shut up

I'd believe it

I feel like it would be named “cotton candy cat” or something

That is amazing I love it

HBO Max literally already has and owns it.

Maybe Season 4 isn't such a pipedream after all

@@I_Dislike_KZfaq_Handles Isn't HBO Max getting worse though? Like cancelling Infinity Train for example

@@ashy_inking1476 yup, HBO Max has been cancelling some really good animated shows

channel 4 has!

I watched it last year and I was 12 and like damn I relate to Orel so much (other then still being Christian I used to be exactly like him in that way too) like even my dad acts like Clay so after nature I was crying so much

I watched it when I was thirteen as well, two years after my dad died (my mom and him would divorce anyways if they stayed together since they were extremely toxic)

I was 12 going on 13 in 2009 when I first watched the show and the first one I watched was unfortunately the "God's Chef" episode. I think it's funny in some parts but it was a strange experience for a first impression. And little did I know, I'd be going down a rabbit hole into a series that got darker as it went on as I'd watch some episodes randomly and not in order (it's been so long and i remember not watching all episodes when i was younger) Turn the other cheek has always been my favorite episode. I remember when beforel orel came out when I was in my second year of high school. I was excited and I was hoping for more episodes (that unfortunately never happened). I watched the show again in 2022 when I saw a lot of people making videos on it out of the blue. I watched all episodes in order during my break at work or when I'm at home in order to reintroduce myself to the show I forgot was a thing at some point. It makes me sad it got canceled the way it did and I wish we had more episodes that gave us a deep dive/backstory on every single character in moralton. One can only hope that can happen someday.

Hands down my favorite line of an episode filled with many greats!

@@Meromorphic It is hilarious!

i made this comment before finishing the video, but since icp are also furries my point stands. :P

I can 100% belive that to be perfectly honest. And also yeah Violent J from the Insane Clown Posse has a furry daughter who he supports.

​@@mariaalacran6233that's so real

People with possum fursonas stink like shit and hate authority but give mad head

Or maybe she just likes possums, not everything is a wierd, degenerate hyperfixation Touch grass

Interesting. It makes sense. But I did not run into that fact when I was making this.

@@Meromorphic it's okay. thank you so much for making this video!!!

Hopefully Moral Orel's new popularity will make that a possibility! A lot of cancelled shows are getting continued nowadays...

The running gag you say? Almost as if it’s always been a comedy??? Almost as if you are completely wrong????? Lol

@@ChefTM i’m not saying the show wasn’t never a comedy, i’m just saying that season 3 was definitely not a comedy (that much)

@@ChefTM comedies (any pretty much anything) can have running gags unless I'm missing something, what point are you trying to convey here

@@expwnged there was a previous argument on a different thread where this fella called this show not a comedy. And subsequently that adult swim wasn’t a comedy network. I was adamant in disproving that.

@@ChefTM ooo okay

As a grandchild this show is so real.

i feel like it's the very simple fact that grandparents, even involved, aren't as responsible for raising their grandkids so there's much less frustration generated with them. Which is also why it's so much easier to be cool uncle/aunt/etc. E.G. when a child constantly screams an exhausted parent wants to find the fastest method to shut them up (which often ends up as physical abuse), rather than contemplate WHY that child screams and try to resolve it in a way that satisfies both child and the parent (children are irrational, their worries insignificant, why should I care?). A grandpa that lives in a faraway farm is energetic enough to take some time trying to find the solution.

Orel is also an overly trusting simpleton. Or worse, he can be quite smart, but chooses not to think, and to let himself be guided by other people. That, in and of itself, is an indictment on religion, religion IS in essence, someone else telling you what and how you should think, and claiming they have divine authority to do so. He's also shown as a rare exception to the rule, and it's his good qualities that allow him to rise above the toxicity making almost everyone else in moralton miserable, not the faith he shares with everyone else. I think it's cool that you can enjoy it anyway, and acknowledge there are problems within your religion that it highlights, but I feel it absolutely, very strongly implies that religion is bad. I feel like denying that kind of distorts it to fit your agenda, which is totally appropriate and on-brand... so...

⁠@@nimbuscloud5175I see where you’re coming from, but the major hole in this argument is that Orel keeps his faith. If the show had been a general bashing of religion, why is it that Orel’s good ending sees him hold onto it? This show is still definitely a heavy criticism of a particular type of Christianity, but it’s specifically the Bible thumping hypocrites the town represents. These people don’t have genuine faith, instead using the concept of God to further their own agendas. They claim to know what God wants, but have not answered besides “God said so”. Religion isn’t the source of the town’s hypocrisy. Clay’s flaws come from a warped value system due to his abuse and his alcoholism, with his “faith” only being a deflection of his own sins. To me, the message of Moral Orel is that Christianity in America is in a sickly state and is abused by terrible people. The solution doesn’t seem to be atheism specifically (Arthur lost his faith and still abused and neglected Clay), but being a good person that able to see through the bullshit of the world, regardless of the faith you follow.

@@irondolphin9387 You're mistaken, that's not a hole in the argument. Morel can absolutely keep his faith, and the show can still show religion in a bad light, those two things are not exclusive. That's what happened, in fact. I've already refuted this point, by saying Morel is good in spite of his faith, not because of it. Nothing about Orel's faith makes him good. Orel is a good person, and also happens to have faith in christianity, he is one of the few. You tacitly agree with me in your last line there, about him being able to see though the bullshit, regardless of his faith. Stephanie is the only reasonable, well-adjusted person in the town, and she's an intentionally tropy atheist. Don't forget her. Athiesm also isn't r responsible for for Arthur being abusive, it isn't a codified ideology. It's not an answer to any kind of philosophical question, it's the (correct, by the way), possition that there's no good, compelling, reality-based reason to believe in a deity, especially not a deity described in any organize religion. So why do I get to say Arthur's actions aren't based on Atheism, but you don't get to say everyone else's actions aren't based on christianity? Well, I'll tell you No True Scotsman, because religion does claim to answer those questions and to have authority to tell you what to do. Atheism just listens to that and says. "I don't believe you, and won't unless you can show me a good reason to."

@@nimbuscloud5175 Yes, Orel keeping his faith and the show criticizing the religious hypocrites of America isn’t mutually exclusive. However, the idea that religion is only for simple minded fools and abusive authority figures is mutually exclusive for Orel’s good ending keeping him a religious man. If the show was simply condemning Christianity as bad, why not simply make Orel an atheist in the end? Orel is not moral in spite of his faith. He is moral in spite of the town. That sounds like a nitpick, but I see it as an important distinction. Many times, Orel gets close to the lessons God teaches, but the town tries tearing it away from him. For instance, Orel meets God and the town rejects his vision because it goes against how they thought God would look like. Stephanie is a great character and her being an atheist and one of the few truly moral characters. However, she is not moral because she is an atheist. She is moral because she is a good person who doesn’t judge others. Arthur is a man without faith and he was abusive and neglectful of Clay. Yes, he didn’t abuse Clay because of atheism, but Clay didn’t abuse Orel because of Christianity. Arthur’s abuse stems from Clay taking his wife from him (both in terms having all of her attention and her actual death) and Clay’s abuse stems from his warped sense of expressing love and his alcoholism. You said I included the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but I never said they weren’t people who believed in christ. I said they were hypocrites using the faith to further their own ends. I mean, Clay is a violent alcoholic, who engages in extra marital, homosexual affairs, speaks badly of Christ himself and judges everyone else but refuses to atone for any of his sins. The only aspect of faith Clay really maintains is that God is real and only barely. If I call myself a patriot while acting against everything my country stands for, am I really a patriot?

like Orel’s dog is literally Jesus reincarnated but the town executes him for selfish reasons, which pretty easily solidifies the show stands on religion

Aw thanks Fox! Much appreciated!

Considering that Coach Stopframe only had an affair with Bloberta so he can get closer to Clay, this headcanon isn’t that bad

Well, that's not just headcanon, Stopframe literally told that to Bloberta in "Numb", the second episode of the third season of "Moral Orel"

@@biancarossa9728 OH~ It's been a while since I've watched the show.

I thought no one else noticed how Clay isn't even close to being like Orel,he is waay too spoiled and self-centered from the very begaining

Aw thank you so much. That genuinely means a lot. Funny story, I planned on starting my YT channel about 1.5 years before I actually did. Made the audio for a vid about the wheel of time, but I COULD NOT STAND the sound of my own voice so I scrapped it and moved on. So it's great to read comments like these. Makes me realize I may have been a bit too rough on myself 😅

brb going on a 2hr rabbit hole on tumblr for goth orel fanart

Are you going to watch it?

If you can handle its subject matter, then I'd say watching it is still worth doing, even if you know what happens in it.

I really wanted to see Arthur apologizing to Clay. Season 4 wouldve been awesome :(

@@bluetea8181 idk Clay did kill his mom cuz she wasnt giving him her completely attention.

@@Kris-wo4pj yeah but it would be nice to show how arthur IS better than clay, cause he changed, while clay stayed the way he was when he was younger

One thing that I think is of note is that in the flashback Arthur seems to be trying his best to make Clay into a more independent person, but also seems to be jealous of the attention Clay gets from his mother. We can see that he is doing his best and there are many of the makings of a good father but is constantly undermined by his understandably traumatized wife. Then when Clay's neediness takes his wife away from Arthur forever, he can't forgive Clay, and that is where the abuse and neglect begins.

I have a head canon that after Arthur dies and Orel becomes Goth, Clay is drinking even more than usual in celebration of his father’s death and that Orel eventually talks to Stephanie about his loss and grief and she tells him some good advice which is sometimes people do things that are wrong but later change in life and that not believing in God doesn’t make a person “bad” and that they deserve to burn in hell for it. What truly matters is how much that person touched the lives of others through their action. Stephanie then tells Orel that being a goth kid isn’t who he really is and it’s just a phase caused by his grief and that people love him for who he is and not how he dresses. So Orel then goes home to find an angry and annoyed Bloberta scolding Clay for his behavior and Clay sees Orel and says something nasty about Arthur which sets Orel off. Orel then angrily yells at Clay who is now stunned in silence about how he is an awful person for forcing his own dying farther to share a tiny bed with a twelve year old boy instead of getting another bed and that he (Clay) acts like he’s such a victim over the way Arthur had treated him after his mother had died but it was really his [Clay’s] behavior that created the rift between them to grow even bigger. Orel then tells Clay that if he [Clay] was dying, he wouldn’t force him to share a bed with his own son and would have given him his own bed to rest in during his final days because he [Orel] knows that his father deserves to be comfortable in such a time because he’s his father and doesn’t deserve to suffer no matter how badly he has been to him [Orel] and everyone else in his lifetime. This rant would make Clay burst into tears because it’s the truth and would demonstrate that even with his flaws, Orel still has some love for Clay and enough respect to not make him suffer when he needs him the most and Clay secretly acknowledges that he messed up big time with his own father and now there is no way to correct his mistakes or say that he was sorry. Clay of course would still be a drunk jerk but he’d at least try to be a better father to the boys and occasionally acknowledge when he messes up.

how come you think so?? i really hope it does

@@user-ky9qh5ld5q Hulu and Netflix constantly rebooting old shows and bringing them back especially with moral orels sudden jump in popularity it’s bound to happen

@@amegalodonwithinternetacce5863 I certainly would hope so. Moral Orel is still one of my favorite pieces of media for its honesty and empathy.

. . . Dang- You really committed. 😂 I'm not any different-

@@evdavidson4051 Yeah 😂 I might rewatch it soon!

I would just like to say “hot Christian domme mommy” is now a phrase that will never leave my vocabulary

please dont throw nickels at me but i honestly thought they got the blood from the women that orel impregnated am i just dumb for thinking this

Same

Love it!

0:41 ohhhh that makes sense 💀

😅 welcome aboard!

@@Meromorphic Good to be here, my dude!

Aw fuck.

God I might actually make a bottle after typing that joke lol, what flavor do you enjoy from them?

Great catch. But that just raises more questions. Lol

That'd make a lot of sense so probably

Thanks so much, friend! I really appreciate it

That is the wonderful Contrapoints as a catgirl lol. From this very site. I highly recommend her! Also, thank you so much!

Aw thanks my dude. You rock

This guy thanks you!

agreed!!