Unveiling Ukraine's F-16s: What You Need to Know
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Ukraine has acquired F-16 Fighting Falcons aka Vipers, will they make a difference?
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@PilotPhotog 9 ай бұрын
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@willienelsongonzalez4609 9 ай бұрын
Have to respectfully disagree with you regarding cost effectiveness and operational concerns of the F-16. The Saab Jas Gripen (E) would be the ideal 4th Gen jet fighter for Ukraine. It’s cheaper than F-16, cheaper to operate, easier to maintain, easier to fly, has an excellent electronics suite, can land and take off from a motorway (which the F-16 can’t), has dedicated crews that can re-arm, refuel and repair quickly at the roadside in comparison to the F-16. What the F-16 has over the Gripen is availability! There are simply more “spare” F-16s in comparison to the Gripen (thousands vs hundreds). In time Ukraine will do well to eventually swap over to the Gripen but the F-16 is what they need right now.
@Tential1 9 ай бұрын
I disagree completely. F16 is the right move. /me patiently Waits for replacement orders of f16 so Lockheed stock, go up. You clearly don't understand what this is all about....
@Tential1 9 ай бұрын
Also, how many times we do have to run this grift before you get it lol?
@Gripen90 9 ай бұрын
The issue is that Sweden doesn't have Gripens the C models to be donated. The E models are brand new and expensive jets that won't just be donated. It may be when the Czech republic returns the C models when they get F35, that they will be donated, but it is doubtful.
@ShawnHinck 9 ай бұрын
But they aren’t out there in the numbers that make it possible for a nation to give them up, there’s really only 2 real options, older vipers or hornets which are the two most produced gen 4 fighters and also in many cases are being phased out by the F-35 making it possible to donate.
@willienelsongonzalez4609 9 ай бұрын
@@ShawnHinck Please read the original full comment, thank you.
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@treschlet 9 ай бұрын
I always lived the F-16 as a kid, moreso than the "cooler" F-14s and F-15s. There was something about it that appealed to me. The compact, sleek, elegant design that gave it a sort of "underdog" vibe. Cut away the BS and just optimize the basics and you get something that can dance, sting, haul, and is cheap enough to bring friends along for backup. Anyway, I guess my point is that over the years I feel like I appreciate it even more, now. Or maybe I'm just a little proud of it, watching it grow and change and really shine. When back in the day people kinda saw it as just a "budget" option, the little Viper showed the world that it could do it all, do it better, and do it cheaper. Make us proud, little Viper, go save some Ukrainians!
@Tential1 9 ай бұрын
It's a game changer for Lockheed Martin when countries replace it with f35, which is a game changer for us shareholders. So I'm happy.
@lappietova6277 9 ай бұрын
Also, depends on the pilot...
@GreenBlueWalkthrough 9 ай бұрын
Yeah some who knows how to Combat aviation will always be better off in a new platform then one who never saw a plane before.
@worldwanderer91 9 ай бұрын
It's not the plane, It's the pilot that win battles
@Anarchy_420 9 ай бұрын
Awesome vid! Very informative, interesting, and entertaining!👍👍 Lol still very much looking forward to the requests we've talked about😅✌
@davidwolf226 9 ай бұрын
Actually, the 42 offered by the Netherlands is only a preliminary number since they've yet to commit to that number. The 19 offered from Denmark is a definite commitment. In any event, this is a very good thing for the Ukrainian Air Force.
@subhashanasandaruwan8732 9 ай бұрын
Awesome video ❤
@PilotPhotog 9 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@KernowekTim 9 ай бұрын
Good news! I think Viper will be hugely advantageous for WW ops. Time will tell, but in the right hands this machine is proven killer of the highest level, in it's class. "Chons da!" Ukraine.
@gregheitland4392 9 ай бұрын
I like the segment of video showing a F86 Sabre wingman 🎉
@glynjones8187 9 ай бұрын
With the F16 now being flown it means the AGM-88 HARM can now be used to it's full capability in all 3 modes. I wouldn't want to be maning an air defence system within a 100K of that front line knowing that there about SEAD operation is already going on with it's hands tied being cobbled to a Russian jet but when it's got full sensor and radar integration it's a different beast all together.
@yutakago1736 9 ай бұрын
In modern air combat, they need electronic warfare aircraft to suppress Russia air defense missiles in order for the F-16 to be effective. The F-16 also need long range Air to Air missile and anti-radar missile.
@bluepalomavelomobile8360 9 ай бұрын
That’s all we need, the straw that broke the camel’s back. This can’t be good.
@nirvansiga5575 9 ай бұрын
I'm not so sure it will make a huge difference. It would help the HARM missile be more effective and maybe force the KA-52s away from the front lines but the ground forces will still have to deal with trenches/emplacements/mines/artillery. The Russians will just adapt to it like they did with the TB2 drones and himars.
@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 9 ай бұрын
F-16 will not force any helicopter away, pilot will shoot it down even by gun, even if its hovering 50 miles away.
@GreenBlueWalkthrough 9 ай бұрын
7:51 which is also how both factions' craft have been designed as Russian/.Soveit craft have a indicator/lock out that wait's for ground control to clear or the pilot to overrid western frames don't have anything like that so Ukraine must train their pilots to be indepent as the F-16 won't hold their hand as it were.
@alex3261 9 ай бұрын
Marketing stuff
@TURKWING 9 ай бұрын
Ukrainian F16s will not be game changer but will be big target of game. Better have them than have not for Ukraine. There will be 2 kind of adversery for Ukrainian F-16s. 1) On the Air: Su-35s Russian Su-35s can engage with PESA Irbis radar to RCS 1m2 (with ordanance bigger than 1m2) F-16s from 150km/80NM away. Instead F-16s Block70 AESA Sabr Viper can engage RCS 3m2 Su-35 from 120km/65NM. Su-35 has advantege of air to air confict. 2) On the Ground: SAM and Manpads S-400 Missile Engagement Radar can target RCS 1m2 F-16s from 175km/95NM away if F-16 flys higher than 10000feet. So, F-16s will be fly at lower than 10000 altitude. Then, risk is Igla Manpads can fire 15000feet. But F-16s will low and fast. This could be a good chance. We will see.
@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 9 ай бұрын
Where you got totally wrong info about Sabr radar??? Maximum range of Sabr radar is 370 km for 4msq RCS, so it can see SU-35 from 300km away, SU-35 RCS is much bigger than 3msq Target.
@TURKWING 9 ай бұрын
@@thetopsecretpentagonsclass6350 Type in google search bar: Researchgate, zikidis sabr radar range. See graph in that artile and learn range of sabr. You dont know
@gtdcov 5 ай бұрын
3 months seems pretty basic. It takes awhile to learn it, it takes longer to get everything you can out of the platform.
@AEFisch 6 ай бұрын
As you said, what weapons come with it. New amram versions are far superior to others in stock. At least harm's will be more effective than used from mig29
@ABCantonese 9 ай бұрын
I'm looking at this from a different POV, which is how does it taste against the MiG-29.... it's a mixed bag IMO. First, I seriously doubt the F-16 is any more maneuverable than the fighters the Ukrainians had, full stop. Second, it's cheap to operate... Compared to other available Western fighters. It's still more expensive to operate than Fulcrums and Flankers. It also needs a fancy airfield to work from, unlike the Migs. What the Vipers offer, and oh so pivotal, are the weapon capabilities and new roles it can perform. They are indeed worth it. If these guys manage to become SEAD experts, you can now strike all you want. Fly high and you might even not have to think about the manpads. The rest of the AF now free to do their thing. Just hope by God that they don't get destroyed on the ground. The F-16 ticks all the boxes when you rate it against other Western fighters, but against what Ukraine started the war with, there are fundamentals that it's missing.
@kureed79 9 ай бұрын
Future asset to be shown off on Russian Victory Parade😂
@scottnj2503 9 ай бұрын
Juan, your critical analytical comments (7:06 ++) re: training and the grey matter in the cockpit, is THE critical nexus. The application of resoruces in combat, is the difference. That pseufointelectual comment having been made... My gut tells and all indicators suggest, Ukraine will exploit to the fullest extent and their national benefit, the capabilites of the F-16's they've inherited.
@PilotPhotog 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Scott, much appreciated!
@jujufactory 9 ай бұрын
Will 16 planes change the course of a war against a nuclear superpower. Short anwer: Not in your dreams.
@davidmiller5028 9 ай бұрын
It would do note F16 would be hugging tree tops while getting locked up by Awacs and shot down by high flying Su 35
@BullGator-kd6ge 9 ай бұрын
Must be really shitty AWACS for inferior aircraft like the MiG 29 to survive in a 24/7 combat environment for a year and a half.
@davidmiller5028 9 ай бұрын
@@BullGator-kd6ge and how many aircraft does the Ukis have left less than 100. Hence "we need muh f16". So what happend to all the Ukie aircraft when the invasion started?.
@BullGator-kd6ge 9 ай бұрын
@@davidmiller5028 Ukraine never had more than 100 fighter aircraft to start with but that is a good question. Maybe we should ask General Tsokov how he got blown up by a Storm Shadow cause there aren’t any ground launchers for that missile. What a mystery this is. 🤔Perhaps the UAF is still active and engaging superior Russian aircraft to this day, but that can’t be right, Russia has complete air superiority right?
@davidmiller5028 9 ай бұрын
@@BullGator-kd6ge launching standoff cruise missiles from far west Ukraine , is a lot different than supporting front line troops while the ukies are on the offensive. The Ukis have been slaughted on the steppes of Ukraine all those Leo's Bradley Mraps destroyed way before they even see a Russian. Guess what by Attack helicopters. Attack helicopters cannot be deployed without air superoity.
@BullGator-kd6ge 9 ай бұрын
@@davidmiller5028 For a bunch of slaughtered Ukrainians, they sure did reach the Surovinkin Line. Must be NATO bio weapons reanimating their corpses. And are you positively sure those Western vehicles aren’t farm tractors and seed sprayers like the first time?
@RKZX2 9 ай бұрын
It won't change anything.they are older versions, it will be months before they get them, if they even arrive.pilots need 12 months MINIMUM for training. Good info on the F-16, but you lack geopolitical knowledge. Watch Douglas Macgregor & Scott Ritter to learn the military aspect of this conflict
@Jason_g_kennedy 9 ай бұрын
I think they will help a bit but that's it. We trained them to use our IFV's and tanks and the first thing they did was to bunch up while crossing open terrain. I imagine fighter jet training and squadron training would be a lot harder than armoured.
@kostastopalidis9173 9 ай бұрын
the name of the f17 is fighting falcon, not viper. an f16 is called a viper when it has the block 70/72 upgrade package. these are the most modern variants of the jet. very few countries have signed contracts to either upgrade their old f16s to this level or procure new f16s, built to that standard. the only countries who have pledged jets to ukraine are denmark and netherlands, whose f16s are of the block 30 standard. no country would ever send a brand new jet to ukraine.
@PilotPhotog 9 ай бұрын
Correct, the official name of the F-16 is the Fighting Falcon, however since its early days it has been referred to by pilots and maintainers as the viper. In fact, the Air Force F-16 demo team is referred to as the Viper Demo Team, with the jet painted up - as Viper. They fly an older (non block 70 jet) here is their site: www.shaw.af.mil/Viper-Demo-Team/ To your point, the Block 70 F-16 has been designated Viper as well, so it is sort seems like the USAF finally acknowledged what everyone who works and flies the airplane has been calling it all along. This is also similar to the A-10, who's officially named Thunderbolt II, but most pilots and maintainers call it the Warthog or just Hog. Thanks for commenting!
@kostastopalidis9173 9 ай бұрын
thanks for the polite answer@@PilotPhotog . and i didnt know that the crews of the jet used the viper as the name of it, so you were correct for using it!
@PilotPhotog 9 ай бұрын
@@kostastopalidis9173 thank you and now you know! 😎
@user-qk6uq6rl9g 9 ай бұрын
Ｆ16の対空レーダー、対地レーダーの索敵範囲が半端ないからゲームチェンジャーと呼ばれるんだよね⁉️笑🤣
@csventura6607 9 ай бұрын
Another wunderwaffe…
@arveduilastking546 9 ай бұрын
And it will do wonders for Ukraine
@csventura6607 9 ай бұрын
@@arveduilastking546 I’m sure it will bud
@aussiefan354 9 ай бұрын
No impact
@arveduilastking546 9 ай бұрын
The Russians will feel the impact
@Tential1 9 ай бұрын
Depends on who you ask. We will send more and more f16s, which will then be replaced with f16or f35 for the sending country. That's really beneficial to my Lockheed Martin stock. So.... No impact is a little harsh. I can buy more stuff now. That means something to me.
@bertg.6056 9 ай бұрын
Sadly, the difference the Vipers will make is negligible.
@Capt-tn9be 5 ай бұрын
This fighter jet will now be facing its first real test against an equal army and not the slippers wearing fighters with muskets 🤣🤣🤣.
@agegroot5666 9 ай бұрын
Stupid thinking the very small amount of F16's wil make a difference. Although they are old but updated i expect them to be an easy target for the latest Russian anti aircraft systems....and Ukraine have to wait for how many months?
@BullGator-kd6ge 9 ай бұрын
Since when is 61+ aircraft a small number? And what exactly makes F-16s so vulnerable to air defenses that their inferior MiG-29s and Su-27s have been enduring since day 1 without the modern detection and warning systems the F-16 has?
@agegroot5666 9 ай бұрын
@@BullGator-kd6ge _You're talking as if the F16 is an invincible plane but there has never been a stronger enemy like in Ukraine. The Dutch can't deliver the amount they say will, most F16s in the Netherlands are cannibalised. We'll see what happens when the F16 appear above the battlefields. I foresee WW3 when Ukraine start to conquer Crimea which the Russians see as Russian territory,we still see it as Ukrainian soil but the Russians don't. Crimea already had a special status in Ukraine before 2014 and that had a reason.
@FreedomIsNotFree2023 9 ай бұрын
One of the things that we have learned since the start of this senseless war. Is the fact that Ukrainians are highly adaptive and capable of ingenility and problem solving. After this horrible war is over, Western powers will be studying and implementing the lessons learned by the Ukrainians.
@yakidin63 9 ай бұрын
Whatever the F16 is or was is meaningless except for one thing. It's a mile better than anything the Ukrainians have. It actually allows them to have an actual Airforce thats viable. Nothing like what they have now.
@prannoypatel 9 ай бұрын
FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@divinejusticefeelsgood 9 ай бұрын
Regardless of the result of this war the winner is America and the loser is Russia
@gordonsmith5589 9 ай бұрын
All I know is I want our Billions back. End this silly war now
@interpl6089 9 ай бұрын
Most modern F-16s are outclassed by even the oldest Su-27s. And Ukraine will probably get some Block 15+ from the nations that just want to dispose of them, since SU-35s with R73s flying around would obliterate those.
@Finkaisar 9 ай бұрын
How so? its more about the missiles they carry
@Aaron-wq3jz 9 ай бұрын
Cope harder
@Gripen90 9 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure the countries would rather sell them, then dispose them. They are given to Ukraine as a donation, and while they may not be the newest block revisions they are still capable weapon platforms. The Danish F16s are Block 15 with MLU updates. The can carry several type LGB/GBU's and AIM 120B/C AMRAAM. Their mission isn't air superiority but strike missions. Also Block 50 Vipers and above are more capable than even the newest SU-27 Flanker B. The original SU 27 Flanker B was already very much analog in systems delivery and especially lacking in ground strike.
@interpl6089 9 ай бұрын
@@Gripen90 SU-27 is basically Russian F-15....i don't think F-16 can trump it in BVR, even the first versions had very good avionics, now....strike missions for Ukraine are impossible since Russia has the best air defence systems in the world, that's just undisputed...all the Pantsirs, Tunguskas, Tor-M2s, Strelas...S300s, S-400s and S-500s aswell as helicopters armed with AA missiles and of course, the airforce with SU-35s and pre-production SU-57s which supposedly fly air missions inside of Russia...F-16s are just outmatched by SU-27s, even their crews said that...SU-27 was a huge shock for the West as it beat even the newest F-15s at it's introduction...just watch some of the Paris air show commentary...damn those were times...F-16s are great in enviroment without SAMs and hostile air forces...they get smoked when they try in airspace like Serbia....
@Gripen90 9 ай бұрын
@@interpl6089 The newer Block 50 Viper and newer can easily match Su27 Flanker B in BVR, if that wasn't the case why would Ukraine even ask for F16 when they already have Su 27 Flanker B from the beginning of the war. The strike missions are on Ukraines own territory to gain lost area an secure area/border control. Not to attack mainland Russia. You completely ignore the fact that F16 has an extensive combat record and a proven weapons platform and it has seen engagements since Gulf War 1991 and forwards in for Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq etc. If Russia really were that great the conflict in Ukraine wouldn't have lasted 1½ years now. The SU-35 yes is the evolution of the SU-27 and much more capable, and can in many regards match or best the F16 Block 50/52 models, however the workhorse for russia is still SU-25 and Ka-52 in the ground attack roles. The SU 35s are not in the frontline at the moment, but are kept on area/border patrol. Yes the SU27 and MIG29 were both a wake up call to western airforces however it didn't take long to find strength and weaknesses, so the deal for the pilot is to engage the fight that suits his/her plane best. The F16 is a rate fighter and keeping it at corner speed of around 350~360 knots it beats almost anything in a two circle fight. The Su27 prefers the single circle fight with high AOA offset. Saying the Viper won't survive a SAM environment is just ignorant. Just look up the HUD footage from the Gulf War where a Viper pilot doged six SAMs.
@mutantryeff 9 ай бұрын
They will be destroyed ASAP
@PedroNesto24 9 ай бұрын
the logistical challenge for ukraine to properly move f16 and use it is too great..for 1 flight hour the f16 requires roughly another 16-17 to maintain it and needs 5 to 7 ground crew to clean, fix, refuel and rearm it after every mission which even if they have all that the amount of training they will be getting from nato wont be nearly enough for the complexity of the aircraft compared to the old mig 29 (which is a great platform dont get me wrong) the pilots of the f16 wont be able to do SEAD, CAS or any task thats essential for air superiority which is not happening if you have minimal training against a much greater air force with much more complex surface to air missiles..the f16 wont do them any good and will just economically fuck them even more
@spacemaggot 9 ай бұрын
Minimal impact
@silverblotter4444 9 ай бұрын
you're treating this war like some sort of sport competition. every action is bathed in blood. 60k amputees. tens of thousands of missing children. the death. the horror. stop the war now.
@Aaron-wq3jz 9 ай бұрын
The Russians can leave any time they want
@csventura6607 9 ай бұрын
@@Aaron-wq3jz go over there and make them then. Coward sits behind his screen and cheers on “his team”
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