Use the cars A/C for Intercooling! Interchiller!

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@jacksonjdr94 Жыл бұрын

FI are an excellent business to deal with. I'm a DIY guy putting an interchiller on my old valiant, working from the ground up as a long term project. Even though my project is just a 60's resto-mod build and these systems often go on big dollar modified exotics and 7-8sec drag cars, he still wanted to make sure I had the knowledge to optimize my system on the old val and make sure it works as it should. Before they sent mine out, The owner of the business called and spent about 40mins on the phone with me. He googled pictures of my specific make/model to offer tips on getting maximum airflow to the condenser as well as sizing my AC pump with a high quality unit. He answered any questions I had and told me to call if i run into any issues. Mine basically paid for itself on the dyno. Being able to reverse heat-soak and actively control your IAT saves hours of wasted dyno time. You can get a whole weekend's worth of steady state tuning done on a Saturday morning. 👍

@AdmiralSenn Жыл бұрын

Something to add, now that I've watched the video - the other purpose for the interchiller shutoff valve is so you can use the system on a track without the evaporator dripping water on the track. Cutting out the cabin air means you're not pulling moisture out of the air and so there's no water to evacuate. A lot of tracks mandate turning off the a/c (especially in hotter climates).

@hulkgqnissanpatrol6121 Жыл бұрын

Everyone laughed at me when I said I wanted to Ac my intercooler. I knew I could be done. Luckily I kept everything!

@TurboAcki Жыл бұрын

Klasen has been using this for years

@hulkgqnissanpatrol6121 Жыл бұрын

@@TurboAcki apparently designed in Australia, where I'm from. Not many car enthusiasts with Supercars here. We all usually go the Ls1/2/3/4 route with oversized bolt-on's

@TurboAcki Жыл бұрын

@@hulkgqnissanpatrol6121 no problem - A/C cooled intercooler is no new idea :) but may you check youtube for Klasen ;)

@jeroen1914 Жыл бұрын

Has been around for many years, I had a Killer Chiller system on my E55 and bought the car with the kit installed, this was about 6 years ago. Works perfectly ike you would expect and nowadays some newer high performance cars have this option from factory.

@GeneralPoison Жыл бұрын

Of course it can be done, I'm not so sure of the benefits though..

@AdmiralSenn Жыл бұрын

I've been looking at these for my build, glad to see you had the same thought!

@til159 Жыл бұрын

I always thought about this and wonder how it would perform, amazing that you do it.

@michaelbryan1878 Жыл бұрын

I too have thought about this, my thinking was the losses from driving the air con compressor wiped out the gains.

@EliteHydronics. Жыл бұрын

That plate heat exchanger/interchiller is massive 👌 just a brilliant idea to control the AIT's. I completely agree with the volume amount in the tank/buffer. 20L is a good amount of thermal capacity but say another 20L, That would really help and guarantee the temps too stay low on a hard circuits. The pdm to control the setup is incredible also. We are really living the dream to the world of tuning cars... anything is possible. Keep the vids coming 👍

@TurbineResearch Жыл бұрын

Always look forward to your content ☺️

@riptwan Жыл бұрын

Innovative excellence as always, thanks!

@jeremiahsherman1190 Жыл бұрын

Thx for a great video I found your other channel I don’t speak Swedish but I enjoyed it anyway I had a 1984 Volvo wagon that I used for a work car it was great such a solid car

@salemzyoud Жыл бұрын

Amazing I was planning to do this and now I am more convinced, being an engineer I know it will add better cooling to the cylinder after a pull and will minimise risk of overheating the rings and cylinder walls, I do believe that heat is what damage engines not anything else

@GordonjSmith1 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting! Best of luck with the Insurance company.

@euphoric5172 Жыл бұрын

this is a great idea, probably saves some weight not needing a seperate intercooler for intake air cooling, and the temps are ice cold too

@rasmushelvad1451 Жыл бұрын

This is so cool, I'm a refrigerant tech. And gear head. Though of this for so long!

@Builtbyronny Жыл бұрын

Great update 👍

@AndrewEG Жыл бұрын

Cool stuff PB, with interchillers there will be condensation inside the intercooler. You will notice this when you cruise at low load for about 20mins then tip in the throttle. Water condensate will be drawn into the engine causing some bad combustion. With the Motec if you have M1 build write some software to control the solenoid valve so your target intake temp is at about 20c. That way you will have way more reserve cooling capacity (low temp) stored in the chiller tank for high boost.

@notsofresh8563 Жыл бұрын

Since his is a water to air system, and the AC is cooling the water via the heat exchanger, The a/c is isolated from the air charge. If the ac is controlled to keep the water temp at ambient and never lower, the condensation at low load will be the same as without A/C. As long as you don't cool the air lower than ambient temperature, water shouldn't condense. You need a pressure and/or temperature drop below ambient to get condensate. That is never the case after a turbo. If you put A/C into an air/air system it will condense because the core is much colder than ambient and exposed to air charge directly. Ideally you would tune the car to turn off the A/C while cruising because it isn't necessary and makes the car more efficient.

@AndrewEG Жыл бұрын

@@notsofresh8563if he cools the air below the dew point of the air he will end up with condensate in the intake air. The dew point is a function of amount of water in the ambient air, aka humidity. I deal with this stuff working in engine cal for a OEM

@notsofresh8563 Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewEG That is why I talked about not cooling the air below ambient by controlling the AC with the water temp of intercooler. After the turbo the air is under more pressure and temp than ambient, thus further from dew point. As long as the water in the intercooler is above dew point no condensation will occur(rarely is dew point above ambient) Granted the core may be colder but in a water/air setup it is immersed in the intercooler water, not the air. The water temp is the one that matters. as it is what interacts with the air. Condensation in an air/air setup is way harder to control because the ac core is in the air and way below dew point.

@notsofresh8563 Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewEG In addition, using the ecu to turn off the ac in light load/cruising situations both prevents your pooling condensate problem but also reduces parasitic loss at low load increasing fuel efficiency without sacrificing high load power.

@PeterBjorck Жыл бұрын

Thanks for input. So far i have not noticed any problem with low load driving. For the solenoid i can write a control logic in the PDM. But my plan is to control the temp to not be too cold during normal driving with water pump speed. Right now it is on full speed all the time.

@imSchwaggy Жыл бұрын

my next supercharged car definitely needs an interchiller. i see them on hellcats and stuff.

@samteks125 Жыл бұрын

Very *cool* indeed. 🌬️❄️

@ricepony33 Жыл бұрын

Awesome content!

@yksikaksikolmen Жыл бұрын

Do you remember Kjelle turbo? He drove a Mercedes on mantorp witt an insane cooling setup. Beställde föressten grejer av dej i dag :)

@gafrers Жыл бұрын

This product is awesome and seeing a video from you on this; it's the perfect confirmation

@Hedlund83 Жыл бұрын

Sjukt effektivt system 😲

@MrMadsodense Жыл бұрын

Heeey here from Odense Denmark ..🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰.. Mutch Support..💪🏼💪🏼..

@khaled7965 Жыл бұрын

Great video, where did you install it mate?

@RogerBravo12 Жыл бұрын

I think dodge demon has an ac cooled air for the compressor 🎉 Cool ❄️ thing 👌🏼

@PeterBjorck Жыл бұрын

Yes it has a small system! I forgot to mention that in the video. I do not know any other car that have this system.

@TENNESSEETRACKHAWK Жыл бұрын

Great video. Im gonna put this in my RS3 thanx wasnt sure I could use it with a Turbo car but I guess I just have to go W2A air now. I already have one in my Redeye well sorta cause it comes with a factory one but I did upgrade to the stage #2 for my redeye and I also put one in my Trackhawk while using the Cortez setup that gives u more cooling volume.

@crazypict Жыл бұрын

Cool system 😉 sorry for the bad joke 🤣 Nice video 👍

@Zorkz Жыл бұрын

Cool idea

@RolandElliottFirstG Жыл бұрын

I am in Australia and have never seen or heard of this company before now, pity they don't direct more advertising toward us here in Australia.

@joshtong7332 Жыл бұрын

im always getting facebook ads for them, its quite annoying actually but seems like a good product none the less

@RolandElliottFirstG Жыл бұрын

@@joshtong7332 I am not on FB and I guess some others aren't either, sad really, they are losing out on sales.

@larsnergard Жыл бұрын

It would be interesting to see how much Kw the AC pump consumes.

@andreasandersson1333 Жыл бұрын

worth to mention. Trackhawk also uses the ac for cooling.

@Mis73rRand0m Жыл бұрын

I believe the v8 Ford GT, as well as the McLaren GT use AC Interchillers

@regno78 Жыл бұрын

Dodge Demon has about same system called SRT Power Chiller.

@eedesign878 Жыл бұрын

If you want even more power, cool your fuel too. Make fuel lines go past the cold water.

@JH-jo9wt 6 ай бұрын

Why has no one thought of this? Not just power but knock prevention, i know sometimes they run a little fuel after lift off to cool the engine, if that fuel was just above freezing the cooling effect would be enourmous not to mention coupled with -5c IATs

@jamest5149 Жыл бұрын

You can always add more thermal volume to the intercooler by adding a bigger header tank if you find that with more boost the temps creep up at the end of the run 👍

@TFSI4fun Жыл бұрын

You are always f... awesome

@grantpiper6358 Жыл бұрын

Interesting...I have a 1994 Maserati Ghibli II, and it uses a double-walled pipe to enclose a section of the fuel return line with the a/c refrigerant. I doubt my a/c is good enough to cool much more though:)

@ullaredskjell Жыл бұрын

Mekaniskt geni!!!

@anidiotinaracingcar4874 Жыл бұрын

The car cuts the AC when you go to full throttle? Logging data on a race tract would be interesting. If you shunt the AC control and run the compressor full time, it would also be quite interesting to measure how much the AC costs in raw power vs how much you gain from the lower temp

@dee1089 Жыл бұрын

all vehicles cut the compressor when at WOT. weather you know it or not. but yeah it would be interesting to find that out.

@Timoastra Жыл бұрын

Was thinking the same. I would think that this is something that could be disabled in the cars system.

@tenhoruohoranta Жыл бұрын

@@Timoastra definitely yes, its operation can be changed by programming with changing the threshold values for when ac is dropped off.

@martinultimatevw3779 Жыл бұрын

Do you run distilled water? Or mix coolant and distilled water? Cool system!

@roi354 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if this type of system could be extended to provide cooling to the fuel too? I have a car that suffers with high fuel temps because the tank is too close to the engine and there is no way to relocate it or add more shielding

@Boemel Жыл бұрын

Ok i will bear in mind about condensation when driving my AC intercooled V10 on the dragstrip ...

@BEYTEK 13 күн бұрын

i want to try this

@In3xorable Жыл бұрын

I installed a system like this on a mustang well over a decade ago. The customer had to replace the a/c system in its entirety. It would kill the compressor with heat soak.

@In3xorable Жыл бұрын

The system I installed was in series with the ac system

@MikeZ32TT Жыл бұрын

Nice video

@jakobd6028 Жыл бұрын

When are you doing an update on the volvo?

@mariusfridlund55 Жыл бұрын

nice

@sakukokkonen Жыл бұрын

I have been thinking this long time and now i'm 100% sure that it will work!! Hell yeah! 🤘🤘 Does this system work with coolant also or just water? So it can be used winter time also 🤔

@sakukokkonen Жыл бұрын

Also would be nice to see dyno pulls this system compared to air/air cooler 🤔

@hassearo3176 Жыл бұрын

You can use coolant to but the ac shuts down when it is to cold outside

@will3102 Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Are you ‘taking’ horse power away from the engine to run the AC compressor to cool the refrigerant which balances out with the power gain you get from lower intake temps? Or is the idea that you use the AC power before the drag strip to ‘charge’ the refrigerant and then it helps in the drag?

@3finnian Жыл бұрын

I'm sure he said the AC compressor doesn't run on full throttle, so it might struggle on a curcuit. An interesting idea though on the HP gain from cooler intakes off setting the draw from the compressor.

@tylerwatts1004 Жыл бұрын

Wow brilliant Peter. I had this idea for a long time also but not building cars at the moment. Actually I want to ask why you use AC-water-air transfer, why not just AC-air directly? Seems complicated and extra weight. Only reason I see maybe is that you cool 'extra' water in the tank and when you accelerate water is slow to heat up Vs AC would heat soak faster. I am curious to hear what your experience is because I really like this. Super cool sir and loads of useful info. Tack!

@r2d2fish38 Жыл бұрын

That design turns the engine into a very effective bomb if it fails... use with caution. Also it is more prone to heat soak

@tylerwatts1004 Жыл бұрын

@@r2d2fish38 bomb how please? Assuming a refrigerant leak into the engine?

@Vox93 Жыл бұрын

Whaat? Cool idea

@fury2625 Жыл бұрын

dumb question. Why use water when its going negative degrees? do you get small form internal crystalistion of ice, or Ice forming in the main header tank? My little brain assumes a refridgerant with a greater operating liquid temp range would be better. like R32 or R410A. However maybe the flowing water is fine? Would love to put this in my CLS63 but its a dialy driven car which comes from factory with water to air. Thanks

@TriHariyantoTH Жыл бұрын

i miss volvoghini 👍

@MickeyMishra 10 ай бұрын

Dealing with Insurance companies & their wonderful staff is the pits. The girls club is in full force it seems. Its part of the reason why I will NEVER even touch Progressive insurance. Same thing with Geico, and that was FAR worse! They cancelled my plan when I was in the Military when I called to ask if I needed to buy Extra Insurance if I wanted to do Pizza Delivery on the weekends. I called from my office with my "Boss" and they cancelled me saying that they heard a Pizza joint??? After that? I keep enough funds to cover the state Minimums since Insurance is such a joke. BTW? I had to have my command / X.O. , call Geico and straighten things out. I switched to USAA shortly afterwards.

@tedan8116 Жыл бұрын

Hi!!! I’m living in Montreal, how can help you? On peut échanger en français aussi.

@knightride9635 10 ай бұрын

Can you register the Audi in Sweden now ?

@DORIGTT Жыл бұрын

So this system is able to keep up with cooling this on a track (non drag racing)?

@youjiimoji6234 Жыл бұрын

How high does the high pressure get with this setup with the AC, if you have checked it in just curious im a working as a HVAC tech🙂?

@jonnenne Жыл бұрын

Shouldn't it be the same? It doesn't have a pump or? Or did I miss something ?

@MrTay675 2 ай бұрын

I was just thinking about this laying in bed

@IrenESorius Жыл бұрын

👍‍‍🥶👍‍‍

@RIPPERTON Жыл бұрын

Wonder why manufacturers havnt caught onto this

@pointedsirforky Жыл бұрын

Could be made to be an independent system by using a standalone electric AC compressor instead of engine driven that cuts out with high throttle inputs.

@kasuraga Жыл бұрын

could maybe try to harvest the ac system out of a prius. they're electric powered instead of belt driven so work independent of the engine

@lapin46 Жыл бұрын

@@kasuraga these Pirus AC compressors run on 230-300V three phase high voltage and need a high voltage inverter to operate them. if the car has an AC system, there is no need. The cooling power is anyhow insufficient for sustained WOT. It is only good on the drag streep or a pull or two on the streets.

@nesmio7378 Жыл бұрын

Would it be able to be used in parallel with the cabins A/C and still get very cool air in the cabin? Thinking of using it for efficiency gains during cruise condition for example where you need both. Thinking during double use the condenser becomes very heavily loaded and could become a limiting factor.

@DAWMiller Жыл бұрын

How's the power tradeoff with an interchiller system? Lost power from the compressor friction compared to the gain from the denser/colder air.

@idokwatcher2062 Жыл бұрын

Even if they cancel each other out you don't have to bother refilling an ice tank, and you have gained luggage space. I think it's a win.

@evb8071 Жыл бұрын

since the A/C only is active on partial thottle you will have all the power when you make a pass. like all A7C systems it shuts down on a certain rpm to not get over pressurized when going pedal to the metal.

@hornox4life Жыл бұрын

On big engines with lots of power it's a definite positive trade-off. 10 to 15% added power over the entire Rev range. (Result of my 5 minute research. 🤓)

@rkan2 Жыл бұрын

Think of it as a function of the effiency of a heatpump. You could probably achieve a lot of the performance benefit in other ways, but you would be having much larger intercooler or other stuff that could for example increase the frontal areat. Etc.

@ckaspersen Жыл бұрын

Do you still only have 2nd and 4th gear or did you fix that? What caused it?

@PeterBjorck Жыл бұрын

It was difference in gearing. The gearbox i did put in had different gearing and the TCU was not happy with that.

@Fjallkloka_Aventyr Жыл бұрын

Du har inte ritat upp någon modell / diagram över hur det här systemet är draget? vore kul o se.

@PeterBjorck Жыл бұрын

Det är med ett enklare schema i videon, finns även på fiinterchiller.com

@Fjallkloka_Aventyr Жыл бұрын

@@PeterBjorck länken fungerar inte :)

@Fjallkloka_Aventyr Жыл бұрын

tog bort "fi", fungerar.

@andydelarue9344 Жыл бұрын

Is that the type of system that had a v8 driver banned from Dakar years ago

@Fisgrisen Жыл бұрын

How are things going with this stolen R8? What is the reason the Swedish police do not show up at your house and confiscate the car?. Such a tragic thing to happen when you buy a car at a serious dealership. Whats the current status on your work with authorities about the car?

@firefly2472 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, what about it ?

@zmoke10 Жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video? He talked it through.

@rkan2 Жыл бұрын

By Swedish law he probably owns it until the insurance company makes their case in Sweden (if they do, thinking they can win). He just cannot drive it on the road without the paperwork of course.

@ro63rto Жыл бұрын

The Dodge Challenger SRT Demon had this back in 2018 didn't it?

@ocho7011 Жыл бұрын

yup

@PeterBjorck Жыл бұрын

Yes! I forgot to mention that in the video.

@nesmio7378 Жыл бұрын

Is the horsepower gained more than the horsepower "stolen" because of running the AC compressor and other components needed? If you gain more HP how much % wise?

@jonnenne Жыл бұрын

Why would you use it if it takes more than gives?

@nesmio7378 Жыл бұрын

@@jonnenne One reason would be the positive effects of lower IAT despite constant net heavier load in certain niche applications.

@GeneralPoison Жыл бұрын

Of course not, fysics still apply... 😉🤓

@nigeltrigger4499 Жыл бұрын

What are the Dyno results?

@Fremlin Жыл бұрын

How much weight did you add?

@atanaspopovski3770 Жыл бұрын

Hey,Peter,this idea is not so good, from engineered aspect!! Lower intake during the cold weather,means worse fuel homolugisation,low power,high emisions an quick lash the bore!!! This is very old idea...you can instal WMI with better results!! And you push you AC compressor to work.with 100 % pwm control valve...no godd idea again!! Think abot it!?🙂

@rkan2 Жыл бұрын

Kind of like what every sufficiently designed EV does - in their case just to cool the liquid cooling system.

@rkan2 Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, you talked about it in the video :D

@The_Drive_Inside Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard these systems fail and ruin motors… I chose to go methanol. I hope the very best for you!

@hulkgqnissanpatrol6121 Жыл бұрын

I run methanol and still need better cooling. It'll damage an engine if you ignore all the safety lights/alarms and temperature gauges...

@Slatteby Жыл бұрын

How can it cause damage to the engine its just a normal watertoair intercooler with interchiller

@hulkgqnissanpatrol6121 Жыл бұрын

@@Slatteby I think they might mean overheating? It was the ONLY thing I could think of...

@The_Drive_Inside Жыл бұрын

@@Slatteby the way it was explain to me was if it quits there’s no indicator that it is not cooling the air and the engine doesn’t know to pull timing out fast enough to save itself. I wanted to put a inner chiller on my ZL1 and I had too many opinions, professional, and not talk me out of it because of this

@notsofresh8563 Жыл бұрын

@@The_Drive_Inside This car has intake air temp sensors so the ECU knows when to pull timing or adjust fuel. Factory ECUs frequently don't use these or if they do the circuitry is very basic and tuning may not be an option or is locked out. Safeties for when air temps spike are available in most aftermarket ECUs

@Volvo242T6 Жыл бұрын

Ta och prata med Daily driven exotics 😅🫣

@7071t6 2 ай бұрын

Why the hell would you need it its freezing in switzerland anyway, unless you in say adesrt of UAE then fair enough? 🦘🦘👍👍 Also i thought of this idea way back in the early 1980's, shame i did not get a patent on the way it works etc. 🦘🦘👍👍