About the one handed fireballs, Oro just became an even bigger legend in my eyes. Dude throws casual plasma out of his finger and if he uses 2 hands it's a goddamn spirit bomb

Some fun etymology and details of some characters: Ryu's name in Japanese literally means "Dragon". Sagat practices a style of Muay Thai themed after tigers (a reference to Thai mythology). In Chinese folklore dragons and tigers are considered rivals, representing opposing sides of Yin and Yang (crouching tiger, hidden dragon). The Japanese word "Ryūko" (龍虎) is assembled from the characters for tiger (虎) and dragon (龍) and literally means "fierce rivals". The Japanese word for fist is "Ken". Ryu (the dragon) has stronger fireballs, while Ken (the fist) has stronger uppercuts. Dan's uppercut "Koryuken" (晃龍拳, or "Brilliant Dragon Fist") is clearly based off of the Shoryuken (rising dragon fist), but the animation is visiually closer to Sagat's "Tiger Uppercut". The Japanese kanji for tiger "虎" can be pronounced both as "とら" (tora) or "こ" (ko). Because 晃 and 虎 are pronounced the same, you could interpret koryuken as meaning "tiger dragon fist" which is roughly equivalent to "Ryūko no Ken" (Fist of Fierce Rivals). This would not only be a reference to Dan's one-sided rivalry with Sagat (possibly copying the move from Sagat as a means to defeat him), but also a reference to "Art of Fighting", which is known as "Ryūko no Ken" in Japan.

Imagine how strong dans fireballs would be if he used both hands.

I slowed down Remy's Super I and noticed that the final stage has three projectiles come from one hand. THREE PROJECTILES FROM ONE HAND. Forget Oro's massive/lock on Projectile and everyone who can do one handed projectiles. This Edge Lord is far more powerful than anyone wants to give credit for.

In 3rd Strike Oro has red eyes like Akuma but they also glint blue, implying that he has mastery of both Satsui no Hado and the power of nothingness and relies on both simultaneously, which in turn hints that the ideal state of mind for fighting is a cohesion of both, this is reinforced by Gill's theme of opposing forces working together. I absolutely love this detail about 3rd strike, it has real merit concerning competitive games like this and other types of competitions, basically keeping a clear head makes it easier to analyze and see what's going on but having the drive to win is just as important.

Oni yells Gouken's name if he does specials against him.

it should also be noted that Dan has so many taunt and a super taunt option because that's the most direct jab at the art of fighting and its mechanics. In the art of fighting games you would loose meter to you opponent taunting, they'd loose meter on frame one so there was no punishment for doing that (though i can't remember if you can cancel them)

It feels like Dan tried to skip straight to master level with his fireballs, partly because he wanted to rush to get revenge, and partly because his training was cut short by Gouken. Sakura is an example of someone trying to learn the Shoto arts the right way, and succeeding at it.

One thing I think that's also interesting is that a big joke with Dan is that lorewise, he has the possibility to be the strongest fighter in history. He can even use the Satsui no Hadou like Ryu can according to the comics. This is why he one hands fireballs- he has the potential to be an incredible martial artist. Too bad he's an idiot.

Cody throws his projectiles with one hand just saying

I like how as the games progress, Chun-Li goes from no fireball, to a moderate one, to a stronger-ish one. But I can't remember if she ever gets full screen...

Dan: Ryo's fighting Robert's looks Yuri's upbeat and determined personality/charm

Oro throws projectiles with one hand, even his super art

On the topic of Dan's fireballs, it's simply because he has poor form, not because he's a weak hado user. Dan has THE most powerful (Uncharged) basic fireballs out of the the entire cast (With a damage of 70 over the average 60). The fact that they dissipate due to poor form can be surmised from Oni's fireballs dissipating: Oni is Akuma overcome with violent intent, and therefore doesn't think as much during a fight. If anything, Dan might (potentially) be the most powerful hado user, unless what he's doing is substituting range for power in his fireballs without realizing, although Oni's fireballs still only hit for 60 damage. In either case, he's up to snuff when it comes to weird energy abilities.

Oni's ultra or super fireball at close range possibly fully charged bores a hole into the opponent's chest exactly how evil ryu's chest appears

If Dan’s Japanese dialogue is on, he’ll scream out “Saikyoryu-ougi!” in the same way that all of the Kyokugen fighters in AOF / KOF will scream out “Kyokugenryu-ougi!” when they do said super. Another fun poke at SNK

This is the content that 2020 needed.

I love that Remy is canologically a more skilled fighter than Guile, even being able to throw two non-dissipating fireballs with one hand

Still waiting on a sequel, Baf, my man.

season 5 of SFV added a bicycle kick to Ken's moves, which shows us where Sean got it from. Obviously, he could also have learned from Laura but we all know he abandoned her Jiu Jitsu in favor of Ken's version of Ansatsuken. Speaking of kicks, it's interesting to see how Sakura and Sean have adapted the tatsumaki technique for themselves. Sean has a much easier time staying airborne but has to use both legs in order to hit the opponent multiple times while Sakura can score multiple hits while barely staying airborne and sometimes even doing so on the ground so she can do more damage, as seen with her SFIV super. This might be due to their difference in martial arts training before learning Ansatsuken, since Sean was already learning Jiu Jitsu and Sakura knew nothing of martial arts prior to getting to know Ryu

Abel’s eyes change to something similar to Seth’s while performing Soulless, but his hits are kinda weak up until he gains control again and body slams the opponent his way.

Gen moves was transferred in part to Yun and Yang, especially yang who took it more to heart but Yun stylized his own, I think it is in the comics that Gen is related to them or rather took them in to help in his restaurant

On the note of throwing projectiles with one hand as a sign of mastery... *Dan is also one of very few characters to do this*

I love that stuff. Capcom pays great attention to details when making these characters

dan's koryuken also has him face towards the camera in sf4, just like ryo's kohou! that's my favorite detail that a lot of people miss out on

It's not really a Fan theory Dan learned Muy Thai, he was taught by his father, Go Hibiki, who was a very strong fighter, and the one who Took Sagat's eye. That's why his style melds Shotokan and Muy thai, since he takes his incomplete teaching from Gouken and his father.

Seth's QCB K move has the same name as Chun Li's lightning kick, however he does it better than her(only to appear he kicked once but he actually kick multiple times extremely fast). Therefore we can assume that when Shadoloo was getting data for the Tanden Engine, they actually got Chun Li's dad who could do lightning legs that fast. And since Charlie is alive(or was alive) on SF5, it could be safe to say that Chun Li's dad is alive somewhere.

This is awesome, you really should keep going with videos like this. A lot of people in the FGC are quick to bark at people who give a shit about SF's lore, but it really can be interesting and it makes connecting to your main a lot more fun, at least in my opinion. Something I think is interesting; Ryu's normals and fireballs are so powerful because he is so synchronized with his own willpower. However, despite Dan's fireballs being so short-ranged, they actually do even greater damage than Ryu's, implying that perhaps Dan has an even stronger connection to his inner will. Take all this as you may.

Vega also taught them air throw which I will sorely miss in SF5 with Cammy

That last part with Gouki and Gouken throwing air and angle up fireballs blew my mind.

Gouken: These are Ryu and Ken, my star pupils. This is Dan, we trained him wrong as a joke.

USF4: Subtle Lore pt 2 This was really cool and I didn't know 3s took place after 4.

Dan has a new special starting from I believe SF4 Omega and now in SFV, which, simply put, is the Zan Retsu Ken, one of Ryo's own specials.

Damn they got petty with the Dan lore LMAO

I always wondered if the Seth/Abel/Gill/Urien connection was intentional or not. I never even picked up on the Vega and Dolls relationship, however. Dope video.

Ed and Menat are foils of eachother in terms of gameplay. Ed is conceptually easier to use while Menat isn’t. Ed borrows stuff from his Mentor Balrog (Such as Psycho Knuckle/Dash Straight, Psycho Swing/Turn Punch) while also mixing it up by pouring psycho power like Bison does, indicating a bit that he’s closer towards being corrupted by Bison since it’s shown in some material that Psycho power corrupts people the more they use it (It’s why Nash suspects that he along with his team should be exterminated, then again that might’ve been his rage talking). Menat in the other hand uses a unique style while borrowing stuff from Rose, her teacher while nothing indicates on any sort of corruption happening. Actually, Ed’s story is played more serious and depressing while Menats is played more light hearted.

Don't forget that Remy also throws fireballs with one hand.

I love this kind of stuff. I used to catch and look for all of those kinds of details. That subtle lore is the most fun to find in my opinion

Always liked picking up these types of things across the SF series. When Dan first debuted he was a lot more of a subtle jab at Ryo and Robert, and even though he wasn't the best, he wasn't framed as an inferior joke character. By SF4 they were all in on it, and that's why he shares so many more similarities with them and it at his silliest. I haven't seen the video about him learning Muay Thai, but I remember even back to his debut noticing that his some of his kicks were more similar to Sagat's than other shotos, and the word was initially that Go Hibiki was a Muay Thai fighter like Sagat so that was Dan's base, and in order to separate himself from the art that led to his father's death he went to learn ansatsuken and was banished by Gouken because of his vengeful motives. The other theory was that his base was similar to the style of shotos (especially since the depictions of Go that would come out showed him wearing a gi like the shotos), and he learned Muay Thai along the way to pick up Sagat's techniques to better best him. In either scenario he was rejected by Gouken for his motives and used what he had learned there combined with some Muay Thai and his original karate base to ultimately create the Saikyou-Ryu.

I never even touched street fighter but for some reason this is still interesting to me.

Bafael: "In the Street Fighter universe, throwing fireballs with one hand is considered to be a very rare skill and indicative of martial arts mastery" Omega Ken: "Bro do you even?"

I would love to see how the lore continued in SF5 now that it's almost over

Awh brilliant ! I LOVE feeling part on the Street Fighter WORLD rather than just using the characters to fight with. I wish it was longer.

Ryu’s Focus Attack isn’t exactly lore accurate due to timing, but it’s a reference to his Kaze no Ken technique he develops on the Ryu Final manga (which happens after 3S). It kinda breaks the lore but it’s a nice nod. The manga is sick btw, well worth reading.

KZfaq algorithm kept throwing this video in my feed even though I watched it years ago

Ryu donkey kick kick looks similar to Gokuen focus attack, but only at first glance. In fact, Gokuen performs side kick (basically stand with his side forward , rises leg and throw it sideways), while Ryu performs like a fusion of turning back kick (basically, tour your back to opponent, bend you knee and throw it straight behind you) and wheel kick (also turn your back, but use horizontal turning momentum to perform a kick). Three kinda similar, but distinct kick. Also, in SFV Ryu drops turning his back and just does sidekick, just like Gokuen. Then again we are speaking about the game where grappling is reduced to throws and major part of game is throwing fireballs, so I'm not supprised creators are not fighters themself.

i would love to see more of these kinds of lore videos. it would be nice to see a hub of sorts where we could actually establish timelines and events as a community. and i dont think i can think of a better place to do it than on your channel baf with how tight nit we all are.

Another Fun Fact: Ryu's VA in Third Strike is Gouken's Japanese VA, which is fitting since Gouken's supers are The Denjin Hadouken, and the Shin Shoryuken.

Dan = Theorized to use Muay Thai to try and get revenge on Sagat. Adon = Uses Muay Thai to try and get revenge on Sagat for how hypocritical he was *Imagine the teamup of Dan and Adon.*

When you compare Urien and Gill, their moves are very similar but their input for doing special moves show what kind of characters they are and establish their fighting prowess. Urien needs to charge for his special moves, implying he needs to focus to perform special moves, most likely due to his short temper. Gill can however perform his moves effortlessly with a motion input. When Urien is blocking in 3s, there is a distinct metallic sound heard compared to the rest of the cast when blocking. This metallic sound isn't heard in V (implying progress?)

im so fucking mad at myself for finding this channel years later than i should have. great content man

I think I would love it if you did a "Subtle Lore" video on SFV. Loved this one.

This is the stuff that makes fighting games worth it.

Agh, makes sense now why I enjoyed playing Dan. He was my Main.

One of your best ideas Baf. You throw a lot of lore around in your commentary, nice to see it compiled into a video now. 👍

If I remember correctly, the biggest joke about Dan is that Saikyo Style is actually some ancient martial arts form capable of easily surpassing Ansatsuken, but Dan makes it looks like a shitshow because he tries too hard to incorporate Ryu and Ken's moves into it.

I like these videos because they take time to point out the details developers put into the games that go unnoticed by most. I would imagine they think “Thanks for being a fan”

James Chen is gonna respect this video

What if there was a 6 hand character that could throw 3 fireballs at once

Chun goes from throwing fireballs with 2 hands in SF2/Alpha to throwing them with 1 in SF3/SF4

Also, I thought Urien and Gill were human, not the same thing as seth

You know, Dan really had the potential, more than most. He could have surpassed Akuma if he really tried, in the comics he could use Satsui no Hado (But he couldn't control it), his 2 handed fireballs are so strong they knock him off his feet (Not controlling it) and Dankukyaku is surprisingly effective, he just had the worst luck ever, when he rough Rufus in the comic and it bunced off Rufus's big belly. He even made his own Version of raging demon, the Otoko Michi. I thin the reason Dan explodes, is that he tries to do all the rapid hits of the raging demon, but he think they just happen if you strain hard enough, and then he explodes. It even takes priority over the Raging Demon itself in MVC2. All I'm saying is if Dan put in some effort, tried to control himself better, and used proper techniques, he would've been the strongest fighter to ever live. Although he may suffer in these things, he does do some things better then even Ryu. He apparently has more durability, as zangief said- "I toss you around like rag doll... yet you stand again. I admire your heart." Implying Dan was one of the only who could stand again after getting hit with Zangief's Ultra Throws. He also developed a defensive technique in "Saikyo Defense" Which he has in Alpha 3 and USF4 Omega. In A3 he also has an air throw, which Ryu and Ken do not.

Juri uses only one leg

Hi Bafael, Here are some points you may want to mention if you do this type of video again. #1. Makoto's dash punch is performed by the fighter on the China Wall stage in SF1. #2. Sakura's Tatsus angles downwards like Ryu/Ken's SF1 Tatus. #3. Balrog's TAP damage output equals the amount of damage Mike outputs with his Normals in SF1. Consider: When Hakan performs a back Throw he positions body in a way that hides his thumb being inserted into his opponent's anus as mentioned in the Turkish Oil Wrestling documentary available on KZfaq. Hakan was created as a representation of the world champion of that time.

This is really Interesting. You should definitely make more of these.

My personal favourite is Ryu's jumping medium punch, which hits twice. This is a move he's had since SFA. Akuma has it too, since in SFA his moveset was basically an amalgamation of all the best shoto normals. Gouken was introduced in SSF4 and guess what, j.MP hits twice - presumably this was his move originally. And now in SFV, Sagat now has the same move! It's a great bit of plot: Sagat has gone from hating Ryu to grudging respect, and now he's straight-up emulating him. Ryu learned it from Gouken; Sagat learned it from Ryu.

I'm pretty sure Abel, Urien, and Seth share similar sweeps and Abel and Seth both have step kicks (maybe a stretch). And you could talk about similarities between Rufus and the twins. Guile being Remy's father, similarities with the twins and gen, and Gen and Chun

This seriously needs to continue, love it

This shit is pretty rad. Ever think about doing one for V?

I love this stuff.

man watching this after your recent videos it feels like someone just told you your mom died the instant you hit record

I'm SO glad you addressed this. Thing is 5 seems to throw out a lot of this stuff. Can't wait to do a video about this.

Omega dan has the fast punches move thing like ryo as well

I just remembered another personal speculation of mine. In SF1, Ryu has red hair, while in all subsequent appearances it's black, otherwise everything is seemingly as normal in his appearance. In SF4, Evil Ryu's 3rd color scheme is the same as Ryu's in SF1. Considering how in the canon, Ryu momentarily changed into Evil Ryu to deliver the finishing illegal shoryuken upon Sagat which gave him his scar, I'm left with the impression that perhaps by later games it is implied that in SF1 you are actually playing as Evil Ryu.

I adore the tiny “blink” sound whenever Dan throws a fireball

great video, I love this kind of subtle lore

What about deejays fireball? He does it with one and and goes full screen.

I fucking love that shit like this exists. And i love you for noticing.

I thought it was cool that Oni's ultra 2 "Tenchi Sokaigen" is like an allusion to Akuma's Super "Kongou Kokuretsu Zan" in Street Fighter 3. Seems like Akuma learned how to do the move later on in his life without having to go crazy.

Here’s some real Dan lore: Dan is so incredibly versed in martial arts he has to hold himself back every time he performs a move. The reason Gadoken seems so pitiful is because he’s dialing it down so that he doesn’t kill his opponent when he uses it. We can see a vision of Dan’s true strength when he uses Haoh Gadoken. He accidentally unleashes 5% of his normal power, and in his weakened stance, it throws him off and tosses him to the other side of the screen.

dee jay also throws one handed fireballs but it has literally no significance that I can think of

I play this game for years and never thought of or realized a few things you brought up.

This is awesome dude please make more of these SF lores!

Akuma got his necklace from his brother Goutetsu who he killed

My favorite detail that I've noticed is that the scars on evil ryus chest and back seem to indicate that he got hit by oni's ultra 1 full animation Maybe getting hit by it is what caused ryu to tap into satsui no hado; evil ryu only exists in the universe oni exists in

That Vega bit is so fucked up and always makes me laugh

I'd like to imagine that the one handed fireball means Deejay is strong in lore 😊

Man if it aint obvious enough... i didnt realise they use robert's face and ryo's moveset to create dan... i only tot its to mock ryo only... omg... i have staring at them since the 90s... love ur vids... always telling me something new i haven notice... 👍👍👍 This reminds me yuri got shin shoyruken and raging demon in kof 2001... 🤣🤣🤣

I'm kinda late but Yuri in kof xiv makes a reference of Dan's ultra in one of her supers, she throws a energy ball and gets launched back

Seth doesn’t throw Charlie’s one-handed sonic booms, he throws Remy’s one-handed sonic booms.

Interesting with the fireball lore since Remy in 3rd Strike can throw one handed projectiles that function like Guile's.

The dolls are more interesting than I thought they were at first it could be interesting to see more from them

suppose you could talk about one of guile's alternate costumes (i forgot which one) which is a direct reference to D.Dark from the EX series, though that's more of an easter egg

an interesting detail with Dan is that the joke of him being a parody of Ryo and Robert was also aknowledged by SNK. In SNK Vs Capcom Chaos, Terry unintentionally mistakes Dan for Robert, and in KoF 2000, Robert has a secret striker mode (called Another Robert) that sees him wearing a white Gi and acting similarly to Dan (plus, using the second palette with Ryo will see Robert use a pink colored Gi, just like Dan's). In Capcom Vs SNK 2, Dan have a secret intro againts Yuri, referencing the fact he have the same cheery and happy go lucky attitude as her. In Street Fighter V they made him deal more damage by having him using original moves instead of the parodied ones, wich is mostly self-awareness of re-using the same moves rather than just a parody on SNK.

This is pretty cool i didn't notice 👍

I don't know why this was recomended to me 4 years after being uploaded,but hey I'm not complaining.

Question: How can Remy from 3s throw booms with just one hand and have them be so powerful? Does this mean he was also trained by Charlie?

This video is still great

I like the idea of Evil Ryu being the version that exists if Akuma were to win instead.

I was hoping Deejay was going to get a one-handed fireball shoutout...