Using Potatoes to paint Warhammer? Painting fundamentals & overcoming fear

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Paint Perspective Podcast episode 49, featuring painting essentials, how not to ruin your models and... spudchop?
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The fundamentals of painting are important, but they can be boring. Though, important as they are, is it possible you can surpass them a little too soon?
In this thought provoking episode, we discuss the merit of painting neatly vs detailed and if doing less, (well) can actually get you better results…
Also in this episode, we discuss the relatable topic of painting fear, and how to overcome the thoughts that you might ‘ruin’ your models.
Plus, stay tuned for our hobby hacks and the usual banter you expect, including some nonsense about painting with potatoes, and the aftermath of our premier Paint Perspective Drill Off!
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SET UP YOUR WET PALETTE ➡️ • How to *properly* use ...
1,500PTS OF FLESH TEARERS ➡️ • We painted a 1,500 Poi...
0:00:00 Preview
0:00:30 Drill off aftermath
0:10:52 Get our feedback on your models!
0:14:02 James’ next hobby hack
0:16:00 Painting an REAL tank
0:18:55 The bounty is claimed
0:20:28 Miniature painting fundamentals
0:21:42 Is neatness better than technique?
0:25:05 Surpassing fundamentals too soon
0:27:51 Painting miniatures with… potatoes?
0:31:41 Not every model uses every technique
0:38:37 Learning from books
0:46:38 Common technique shortcomings
0:51:13 Fundamentals WE struggle with
0:55:07 Using real world references
1:01:48 I'm afraid to paint this model
1:20:46 Gloss varnish hack

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@spencerarnold669 2 ай бұрын

I'm telling you, we'll miss these days of amateur competitive barrel drilling, when the Saudi money, egos and VAR get involved

@SiegeStudios 2 ай бұрын

Grassroots competitive barrel drilling needs to be supported 😤

@LukeMartinVideo 2 ай бұрын

Don't go pro if you want this to become an olympic discipline 😂

@charliekirkpatrick695 2 ай бұрын

'Street' barrel-drilling battles for the real OGs

@brushtithe 2 ай бұрын

James is absolutely correct, found it from searching model stripping videos and looked for one from 10+ years ago!

@SiegeStudios 2 ай бұрын

Amazing 😂

@jotto0420 2 ай бұрын

Potato Printing is a *fundamental* painting skill... Loading the potato with poster paint. Blending over wax crayon. I guess these youngsters have never considered entering the highly competitive Golden Wonder awards. ;-)

@kropka8259 2 ай бұрын

Yes to the potato stamps :)

@AlexGourlay12 2 ай бұрын

*Hidden memory unlocked* as soon as James mentioned cutting shapes out of potatoes, stamping it in paint then stamping it on paper loads of memories of doing this as my nanas house as a child came flooding back. Thank you for that!

@Pork-Pie-Pete81 2 ай бұрын

James is correct, boys. I used potato printing to paint when I was a kid in the 80's. As it happens, I work in a nursery and we still carve shapes into potatoes to print with. I wouldn't recommend it as a technique for miniature painting.

@chipmercury 2 ай бұрын

I do remember potato painting being a thing, but I can't remember if I had done it before, childhood memory and all that.

@RequiemWraith 2 ай бұрын

Vote for potato painting, was early primary school I think. I'm also 41, so it's definitely an old person thing I'm afraid James.

@kooksies5712 2 ай бұрын

as a 30yr old thank you guys for making me feel young

@jdleyden 2 ай бұрын

Potato painting was absolutely a thing! And isn't just the UK, I'm from the US and we did that in preschool/kindergarten (3-5yrs old). Not sure how old James is, but I'm probably around the same age (mid 30s) (Unrelated, was part of the hardcore scene in my hometown in the 00s/10s and we had our own "Camo Jim". Freaked me out how universal that scene was)

@-Oittz- 2 ай бұрын

mate James is more like early 40's i reckon.

@uzz7114 2 ай бұрын

I did potato painting as a child for sure! Also George my wife gave me the exact same response when I was showing her a model I had painted!

@henrikwannheden7114 2 ай бұрын

I've painted with a potato. In preschool we had an assortment of paints and utensils, like finger paints, acrylic paints for brushes, water colours, pastel crayons (as well as other kinds of crayons), drawing coal, inks and dyes etc. Experimenting with materials like paper, cloth, eggs, wood, and making tools like stamps (this is where the potato comes in, as well as cork), masking and making stencils with cutting paper and linoleum. Sculpturing with clay using fingers, water, and sculpting tools, and even curing it in proper ovens. Even making and colouring our own sculpting dough out of salt was an essential part. We learned to blend colours, but thinning properly wasn't a concept that I can remember. The brushes was rubbish, the paper couldn't take water colours properly. No airbrush.. no two-component sculpting materials.. Growing up in Sweden in the l70s/80s.

@warpaintjj 2 ай бұрын

Potato painting was certainly a thing in my day 👍

@wpb5876 2 ай бұрын

It’s a joy to listen to these podcasts in the background while painting- it’s not too intrusive and the banter is great

@SquidFisT44 2 ай бұрын

I work in construction and often find myself using my tools for hobby use. Team power drill here!

@scottanderson3967 Ай бұрын

I use materials like electrical back boxes .. wast copper pipe skrim tape for terrain ... saves a fortune.

@Nosbod_Hobbies 2 ай бұрын

Thanks Guys, this video was a bit of a lightbulb moment for me. I just got back into the hobby after a 30 year hiatus and have since spent an eye watering amount of money on different paint brands and types / brushes / tools etc. thinking that all of them would accelerate the paint process at the same time making me a better painter ...... how wrong I was!! The reality is, (as you all pointed out) unless you understand how to thin a paint, load it correctly on a brush and then apply it with control, precision and pressure, everything beyond this will fail! Back to the basics for me !! To add to this, you now have the respect of a new Patreon member 🙂

@deepfriedjonny90 2 ай бұрын

Potato painting is 100% a thing. Something I will now be teaching my toddler this thanks James for reminding me of a quality bit of Painting fun.

@davetaylor9966 2 ай бұрын

Another great podcast, guys. The fundamentals are incredibly important! Thanks also for talking about Tommie's book. As the publisher for THE ART OF... series, I'd be happy to chat with you about talking about more of them, should it be appropriate. :)

@SiegeStudios 2 ай бұрын

Amazing! Thank you for the kind words on the episode. We'd love to chat a bit more! Please feel free to email in (info@siegestudios.co.uk) and let's get something going!

@brandonlbartlett Ай бұрын

Can you give us the author's full name and book title please?

@SiegeStudios Ай бұрын

@@brandonlbartlett There's a link in the description of the episode. The book is called THE ART OF... Tommie Soule.

@The_Mini_Creative Ай бұрын

At 30:50 I thought George was going to say “If there’s one piece of equipment I could never live without it’s my POTATO”

@vincentjackson3472 2 ай бұрын

Im here for the potato painting! Way back when! 😎

@samuelkotler2078 2 ай бұрын

The next level in the barrel drilling competition is to have whoever is judging to paint them all and determine which one looks best and/or is the most enjoyable to paint. James’ gloating is hilarious 😂. Love it, thanks for another great episode! 🙌🏻

@sinisterplank3113 2 ай бұрын

This one is for Joe, yes youcan absolutely use potato stamping on any larger reasonably flat surface, but using a slightly stiffer rubber is better and more consistent. Potatoes work because they're cheap, easy to carve into, and soft enough to shape around surface imperfections and slight curvatures. Hard rubber doesn't rot though.

@Broccli87 2 ай бұрын

What a blast from the past in the memory bank using Potatoes as stampers for painting when i was in primary school.. who even came up with that idea

@LordBelakor Ай бұрын

I am 43, and I am with you, I did potato painting in elementary

@Bunyip_Studios 2 ай бұрын

Potato stamps for the win!

@thisoldwarhammer 2 ай бұрын

I am shocked that there was a barrel angle discrepancy in the photographs used in the previous episode... who would have ever expected we would have a full on barrel-gate on our hands.... dodgy photo's aside last weeks episode was gem of a podcast... top notch show yet again this week... these podcasts are pure gold.... I have them on in the background at work and occasionally people over hear the episode and get pulled into listening... and for what it's worth I to believe in crowning barrels as well which does make it look better.... also I feel that we as a community need to set up a go fund me page to get George a new pin vice...

@bluecapgun785 2 ай бұрын

The general attitude you guys have on painting reminds me very much of my own perspectives on food preparation. I'm a young chef, and the amount of shortcuts, lifehacks, and gadgets that are in home kitchens is insane, especially when you consider that a skilled hand with a knife, a pot and a pan, could do all of that work. Practise your fundamentals, always.

@michaeltrivette1728 2 ай бұрын

As the worlds first barrel drilling competition judge, surely that by default makes you the Worlds leading expert on barrel drilling.

@FinxOmally 2 ай бұрын

Couple questions for the lads, as have only got back into the hobby after leaving it in 3rd Edition. - Sub assembly painting, when do yourselves choose it is the right call, if you do it at all? - I have been collecting and painting Harlequins this year and have enjoyed the process of learning hand painting diamond motley on infantry, and making a non-box art colour scheme. But am looking at my sky weavers still in the box, and am really intimidated by the idea of tackling a larger model like vehicles, I know the answer there is ‘just start and trust the process’ but was there any challenges you guys remember with decision paralysis or something similar when having to paint something completely different, and how did you get around it?

@Ithikialau 2 ай бұрын

Yes. I painted with a potato. The joys of schooling from a time before iPads and mobile phones.

@worzeis 2 ай бұрын

Completely agree with George here. I feel like fine art and art in particular lives in this strange world where people seem to assume you’re either talented or not. All skill improves from practice, and without trying and taking that first step you can’t improve. Watching KZfaq tutorials doesn’t get you anywhere unless you start painting. Free “model of the month” from GW is a perfect test model Keep up the good work guys!

@epone3488 2 ай бұрын

TOTALLY agree on the GLOSS varnish save point. It actually helps the painting at this stage. Gloss changes the surface tension of the paints and water and its really useful.

@MG_uk 2 ай бұрын

I think the reason there aren't too many brush based tutorials for the Eavy Metal/box art style is just how much of a labour of love they are to film and edit, let alone paint. It's an insane amount time and work to be able to put out that level of tutorial weekly, with commentary and graphics to ride the KZfaq algo. Some of my favourites are the 2 how to paint Dark Angels like the box art vids on the Infernal Brush channel, however you can tell that those hour or so long videos have been edited from 5+ hours of footage and there are still some parts of the process missed out. I'd say those tutorials taught me more about how to paint Eavy Metal than any others on KZfaq, there are also Ultramarines, Black Templars and some great tutorials on there if people are interested in a really visual, close up, step by step guide to box art.

@alexwembridge5961 2 ай бұрын

Talking on the importance of base coating, would you ever consider doing a video showing every step in getting an area of armour fully base coated well ie all coats if needed, what it looks like and why you'd do another one. Feel free to edit out drying time! Often you ge told, basecoat til solid and I'm sure I've done 2 or 3 coats and should be doing more.

@craigskelton189 2 ай бұрын

Thankyou for shouting out Tommie Soules book, it is by far one of the most useful books out there. (You should see if he'll come on for an episode, best teacher out there!)

@verigone2677 2 ай бұрын

Dremel with Flex Shaft for the Win!!!

@alexwembridge5961 2 ай бұрын

I have been binge watching most of these after stumbling upon it. Great work guys on the podcast and also James for creating Siege, my painting is rubbish and limited time to do so, but watching you all gives inspiration to try at least! Had a quick Q, and FROM George's plug on the Onyx lamp, if you had a basic set up, and had £100 (or thereabouts) to spend, what would you buy to deliver to most value/impact?

@Walker99-sn1gi 2 ай бұрын

So now that I’ve discovered this podcast, I’m hooked. Great stuff guys!

@SiegeStudios 2 ай бұрын

Great to have you here! Hope you like the back catalogue!

@LukeMartinVideo 2 ай бұрын

Patato painter here ! Also i was expecting a cool Jamesism... So I'll have to do it myself. MYF ! Master your fundamentals ❤

@chrisreilly6061 2 ай бұрын

I'm with James. We did potato painting as a kid.

@Cranacti 2 ай бұрын

Forget the Sponge for weathering, get out a Maris Piper. Spudchop.

@chrismeyers-gl6nn 2 ай бұрын

James is right using a drill for miniatures about two decades ago when they were metal/pewter. A pin vice would take forever. I was using a Dremel back then. These days, a drill would be super overkill. Cheers to overkill.

@garyjenson1326 2 ай бұрын

I remember painting potatoes but my daddy was rich (we had a toilet..INSIDE) . Poor little tommy wilkerson down the dirt path only had a stick and a patch of bare dirt. Which he was happy with, until he died horribly in a mill accident.

@Theo2bmoody 2 ай бұрын

When it comes to any tool or method, i feel like the phrase "if it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid" is the final word

@Enzar17 2 ай бұрын

I will say, I bought an ok pin vise from my local hobby store, and the bits that came with it weren't that great. Bought some new, slightly more expensive bits? IMMEDIATELY made the drilling way easier, better, and like 8 times faster. The quality of the bit matters way more than the instrument used to turn it, I'm dying on this hill now.

@sonjabutler7188 2 ай бұрын

Hey, potato printing is a classic! And age is just a number, unless you're cheese. Then you get sharper

@FinxOmally 2 ай бұрын

“I have many Leather bound books, and my apartment smells of rich mahogany” Anchorman is a true bachelor.

@UntiltedName 2 ай бұрын

A barrel hole being drilled off center is user error. Don't blame the tool for that lmao. The drill doesn't have anything to do with where the pilot hole was placed anyways. :P

@HappyDuude 2 ай бұрын

The hard part with being neat for me is if i start gripping too hard, or am tired, I find it very hard to keep the brush from shaking. Not sure what tips there are to help - i do try bracing, it helps, but also need to make sure my desk space is deep enough for the forearms. Holding the model with interlocking fingers im working on, keep getting tangled up 😂

@thesigmaritepainter7803 2 ай бұрын

I actually have an whole box of models that i don't dare touching until i hopefully one day reach an level of proper painting😅

@jorgemontero6384 2 ай бұрын

I can tell you about the lack of neatness with technique: I have physical disabilities that make it very difficult for me to do accurate, repeatable hand movements, but I understand painting, and I've done if for decades. So I can tell you what happens when people look at my models. The lack of neatness will lead to picky complaints, especially with models that demand said neatness, like a Space Marine or basically any Tau model. However, anything that doesn't need to be neat will get great reviews: Tyranids, Seraphon, Deathguard et al. It's mostly a matter of avoiding models that demand high brush control in areas that are the focus point of the miniature. Even the least miniature-centric grandma's eye goes to the part of the miniature that calls attention, and realizes when, say, a kroot's skin texture looks scaley when it has no business doing so, because it's just a tiny piece of plastic.

@komma8203 2 ай бұрын

Potato stap art, its the kids version of linoleum stamp art, and all 70s and 80s kids did that at school,

@Easy_Mode_Minis 2 ай бұрын

Yes I remember potato painting :D

@ElAhrem 2 ай бұрын

Shout out to James here representing Potato Printing! My partner runs a community arts organisation and we have a very specific rule of NO potato printing. It's literally a term we use to describe poor, tokenistic art activities!

@fakestreetspirit 2 ай бұрын

What is wrong with the youth of today? James speaks truth - potatoes are very much a medium for printing.

@grimdarkdork 2 ай бұрын

I'm aware of potato painting, but never did it. I am 45 years old, though.

@STOOJIE 2 ай бұрын

I've only stopped laughing at James' Michael Jackson impression and George's face when Joe said James was finished his barrels. Actual comedy gold. George your lucky I've shown my fiancée over 100 models last year and for every single one she has said "nice colours". Potato painting is an underrated technique that these millennials won't ever comprehend. Fight the good fight james

@Ushar3 2 ай бұрын

Love the content lads, really enjoyable and would the Bosch Driller compare to a DeWalt sniper in a Power Tool off? Seriously though How can you tell when you’ve moved passed the beginners stage of painting? I’ve always struggled to know what kind of level I’m at. In my mind I’m still a beginner but others have said I’m no where near that level? What would you call each threshold when you know you’re at a higher standard?

@legionofeverblight 2 ай бұрын

Any details on Tommy’s book ? You guys got me intrigued 😅

@SiegeStudios 2 ай бұрын

It’s linked in the description!

@henrikchristensen3464 2 ай бұрын

Age 50 and a thumbs up on the potato painting question :)

@bornincrimson 2 ай бұрын

As a fellow distinguished gentleman, I can affirm that potato painting was a thing. You’d make shapes to stamp with.

@jpkimble9479 2 ай бұрын

Would seige studios think about bringing out a help painting book

@callumwright5972 2 ай бұрын

What is the name of the book mentioned around the 40 minute mark?

@theezekarion164 2 ай бұрын

#1 Rule of Power .... NEVER OUTSHINE THE MASTER!

@brandonlbartlett Ай бұрын

Potato painting: yup. Im old though.

@OzokuMrBlack 2 ай бұрын

Potato cutting painters rise up

@RequiemWraith 2 ай бұрын

The book mentioned at about 39 minutes, could I please get the name of it??

@SiegeStudios 2 ай бұрын

Linked in our description!

@RequiemWraith 2 ай бұрын

@@SiegeStudios Nice! Thank you

@gomasso 2 ай бұрын

I have used potatoes to paint. :)

@gibondeluxe 2 ай бұрын

I just had a watch of the Warlords Wargaming paint stripping video, and what do i see on James' desk from 10 years ago? A Bonne Maman jam jar sitting right there. Is this channel just a front for the 'Big Jam' agenda?

@kealyj 2 ай бұрын

Has this been pulled now? I couldn't find it today.

@gibondeluxe 2 ай бұрын

@@kealyj try searching for warlordswargaming channel and force the no space; I think that's what I had to do to get it up.

@gibondeluxe 2 ай бұрын

I think I did "Warlordswargaming Channel" as the search term, and specified the no space.

@kropka8259 2 ай бұрын

38:37 could we please have a link for the book?

@SiegeStudios 2 ай бұрын

added to the description!

@kropka8259 2 ай бұрын

@@SiegeStudios Thanks, mates!

@jpkimble9479 2 ай бұрын

When Joe and George paint the ww2 tank are they painting it with a triple 0 or a size 10 brush 🤔

@stretch3281 2 ай бұрын

Yes i potato painted, more like printing to be critical 😅

@stevemurray1848 2 ай бұрын

Can’t believe Joe and George hadn’t heard of potato painting - I feel like my childhood is being erased… Next you will be saying you never used flour and water as a paste for sticking random bits of pasta to a piece of paper!