USS Salem: The Sea Witch

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@Sideprojects
@Sideprojects 2 жыл бұрын
This video is sponsored by Quincy 400. To know more visit: quincy400.com/
@DS-si5cp
@DS-si5cp 2 жыл бұрын
goes all the way to 6th degree burns, but past 3rd its basically a death sentence and non treatable
@honkeykong9592
@honkeykong9592 2 жыл бұрын
Warspite was the top five 💫 sortie. Captain 👩‍✈️ baddie
@carlfromtheoc1788
@carlfromtheoc1788 2 жыл бұрын
My dad (shipboard Marine) served on the Salem and was onboard when the ship participated in the filming of The Battle of the River Plate. As part of the Mediterranean Fleet, they made a lot of port calls from Istanbul to Gibraltar and then Havana before returning home. I visited the ship in 2010 and as no one was looking, I scattered some of his ashes over the side. It was fun going into the one open main turret. Got there (Quincy - pronounced Kwin-zee) from Boston by train and bus. Freaking awesome.
@gazof-the-north1980
@gazof-the-north1980 2 жыл бұрын
You did your father proud. Total respect buddy
@karinborschman1619
@karinborschman1619 Жыл бұрын
Can your Dad remember who the Chiefs name was.
@carlfromtheoc1788
@carlfromtheoc1788 Жыл бұрын
@@karinborschman1619 Well, dad died in 2007, so that's going to be a tad difficult. But I do have a picture of my dad and a few other shipboard Marine officers standing in front of the Italian liner Andrea Doria.
@Lee-in-oz
@Lee-in-oz 2 жыл бұрын
As an ex Sailor I can tell you that there is nothing more spooky than a powered down / blacked out ship. The silence is opressive AF.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 2 жыл бұрын
Of all the words you could have chosen... you chose "oppressive"... interesting... :P
@tokyosmash
@tokyosmash 2 жыл бұрын
@@andersjjensen you’d understand if you’d ever been at a military base at night when everything is turned off and it’s SILENT
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 2 жыл бұрын
@@tokyosmash I have. I've walked the guard round under those circumstances many many times. /əˈpreʃn/ [uncountable] ​cruel and unfair treatment of people, especially by not giving them the same freedom, rights, etc. as other people. The silence may be invasive, unnerving, bone chilling, frightening or whatever else you want to describe it as, but it can never be oppressive as oppression is active and silence is passive.
@flarpman2233
@flarpman2233 2 жыл бұрын
@@andersjjensen oppressive adjective (FEELINGS) causing people to feel worried and uncomfortable: an oppressive silence Source: The Cambridge Dictionary.
@jasonschieber8030
@jasonschieber8030 2 жыл бұрын
When my ship was at Philadelphia I snuck onboard the America and a few other ships. On the America I felt like I was being hunted. I even whiteness a armored hatch slam shut on its own.
@dananichols349
@dananichols349 2 жыл бұрын
Life aboard a Navy ship is not just one long tropical cruise. It is days of complete boredom interspersed with moments of intense boredom.
@jackusmc2542
@jackusmc2542 2 жыл бұрын
She is moored 4 miles from me. Drove by her this morning. Excellent video.
@TheOneFreeMan77
@TheOneFreeMan77 2 жыл бұрын
Simon can make jokes about the existence of ghosts all he wants but I hope he knows he's solidified his position as the first person to die in a horror movie scenario.
@EricDKaufman
@EricDKaufman 2 жыл бұрын
Dude they seriously have an office for ghost investigators on the ship. I sat there and talk to the director for 15 mins. Was one of the most insane, moronic conversations of my life. I just let him keep saying words and supporting his wild statements. It was NUTS!!! Yes Simon would totally be the first to die in a horror movie, no question. Unless he was the smartest person to dip out before the killing began.
@GrievousReborn
@GrievousReborn 2 жыл бұрын
Simon comes across as an asshole when he makes fun of people who believe in stuff he doesn't I don't really believe in ghosts either but I'm not an asshole about it like him
@Lowmanification
@Lowmanification 2 жыл бұрын
Well if that horror movie scenario involves ghosts, he'll be just fine
@Sideprojects
@Sideprojects 2 жыл бұрын
In a horror movie scenario the ghosts aren't real.
@knallpistolen
@knallpistolen 2 жыл бұрын
@@EricDKaufman it's the same story with aliens
@MrAWG9
@MrAWG9 2 жыл бұрын
I had an OLD “TIFO” episode pop up last night. It was Simon pre-bearded. Did not recognize (recognise?) him!!!
@sbcee2220
@sbcee2220 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, very strange, and somewhat disconcerting. Also, I didn't realize men's voices keep getting lower this long out of puberty.
@jmanj3917
@jmanj3917 2 жыл бұрын
Same thing happened with me a few days ago...All I could think was, "Oh my god; He looks so YOUNG!"
@CptDrake
@CptDrake 2 жыл бұрын
I used to watch those videos with my old roomies. It wasn't until recently when it occured to me that was THIS Simon.
@SotonSam
@SotonSam 2 жыл бұрын
Recognise* 🇬🇧 Recognize 🇺🇲
@SeaSickBeatz
@SeaSickBeatz 2 жыл бұрын
@@SotonSam ah beat me to it lol. funny how we switched to the S, the I and dropped the U in anything with "-our" in it and called it good.
@thomasstack4119
@thomasstack4119 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see you cover this! As a young child I sailed on the Salem on its short voyage from Boston to Quincy, where it’s now docked as a museum ship. In later years I volunteered on her. She remains great resource for history nerds like me, and a monument to the men and women who served on her and who built America’s naval fleet in Massachusetts and all across the country.
@sparepartssparepartsempori519
@sparepartssparepartsempori519 2 жыл бұрын
When I was a cub scout, I spent a night aboard the Salem, and the only haunting sounds that I can report is the snoring coming from all the father's sleeping there.
@JC-ks3yk
@JC-ks3yk 2 жыл бұрын
After serving as a frogman in Korea, my father was transferred to the Salem to do "easy time" before his hitch was up. Unfortunately he took his billet on the Witch just a week or two before the earthquake in Greece. He told me that nothing he had seen in Korea was anything like the horrors he saw in Greece.
@JC-ks3yk
@JC-ks3yk 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA I can't tell if you're joking or serious.
@sbcee2220
@sbcee2220 2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather was a frogman too, but in WWII! Props to him and service.
@semaj_5022
@semaj_5022 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheInfidel_SlavaUA I mean covert landing operations conducted by frogmen generally result in fighting on land. Most don't just stay on ships or in the water you know.
@sbcee2220
@sbcee2220 2 жыл бұрын
You plug your own channels better than any I've seen, totally without the usual desperation.
@unclerojelio6320
@unclerojelio6320 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but how he keeps them all straight is beyond me.
@bbirda1287
@bbirda1287 2 жыл бұрын
I think Simon has been the world's first human to be cloned, how else can he have time. YT must be throwing money at him for content.
@dannymclaughlin
@dannymclaughlin 2 жыл бұрын
I was born and raised in Quincy, MA. As a child, they used to turn the U.S.S. Salem into a Halloween themed walk through. I’m now 29, it’s funny and odd to see the same ship many of my childhood memories originated on, talked about on Side Projects!
@CharliMorganMusic
@CharliMorganMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Des Moines class. It has the largest volume of fire (kg/min) of any ship in history.
@bfrobin446
@bfrobin446 2 жыл бұрын
Battleships with particularly heavy broadsides (i.e. the Yamato class and the three U.S. fast battleship classes) could put up similar or slightly better numbers if they achieved their best-case rates of fire. But the Des Moines could put up the same throw weight with the guns at any elevation and with less crew fatigue.
@AdamosDad
@AdamosDad 2 жыл бұрын
I sailed aboard Salem's sister ship USS Newport News (CA-148) The last all gun Heavy Cruiser. My time aboard 1968-69-70 Call sign THUNDER flag hoist; November - India - Quebec - Quebec I was on her for 2 tours in Vietnam Then onboard the USS Springfield (CLG-7) 71-72 Flag Hoist/Radio Call Sign: November - Whiskey - Delta - Mike "Fair Winds and Following Seas" Brothers the USS Newport News (CA-148) has a museum aboard the USS Salem (CA-139)
@Moredread25
@Moredread25 2 жыл бұрын
Quincy Massachusetts deserves more love. Very cool that they sponsored your video.
@scottwatts3879
@scottwatts3879 2 жыл бұрын
Navy personnel in the US (and UK) are never "soldiers", we're "sailors".
@earnestbrown6524
@earnestbrown6524 2 жыл бұрын
When the Earthquake hit Fukushima most of the USN ships in Yokosuka and sailing nearby travel up there to help. More then 16 US navel vessels helped out.
@EricDKaufman
@EricDKaufman 2 жыл бұрын
had the pleasure of meeting Drachinfel on her just a few weekends ago. G
@MrFlatage
@MrFlatage 2 жыл бұрын
Shut your yap ... If Simon gets that kinda info we will see 5-8 hour vids. I bet he was like 'sure give me 5 mins to explain'. Stuck for days I bet. More or less.
@starshipmechanic
@starshipmechanic 2 жыл бұрын
glad he made it to the salem, saw him on the battleship new jersey channel a few weeks back so I knew he finally made his trip he was taking about
@EricDKaufman
@EricDKaufman 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrFlatagethen hush up bro!
@EricDKaufman
@EricDKaufman 2 жыл бұрын
@@starshipmechanic Yeah! and they refloated The Sullivans!
@starshipmechanic
@starshipmechanic 2 жыл бұрын
@@EricDKaufman I saw and I was so happy, I love museum ships and The Sullivans and Little Rock are on my list still, I've been to one fletcher so far and theres only 3 left (in America, I think there's one in the Hellenic navy too) so I'm glad that they are trying to keep it preserved even in the face of such a disaster.
@Ghotiermann
@Ghotiermann 2 жыл бұрын
The USS Salem may have been the last ship called a heavy cruiser, but the USS Long Beach (CGN-9), which was commissioned in '61 and decommissioned in '95, was 721' long. She was a CG rather than a CA because her main armament was missiles instead of guns (The G in the hull number stands for Guided Missile. The N means that she was nuclear powered). After the Long Beach, American "cruisers" have mostly been built on destroyer hulls.
@ignitionfrn2223
@ignitionfrn2223 2 жыл бұрын
0:45 - Chapter 1 - Career 4:15 - Chapter 2 - The ionian earthquake 6:20 - Chapter 3 - Rogues gallery 8:45 - Chapter 4 - Museum ship 10:10 - Wrap up
@dmullark1
@dmullark1 2 жыл бұрын
Super happy you did this video, the Salem is my home town Ship of sorts, i grew up several miles down the road from her berth , she's a beautiful ole girl, I'd love to see her out on the water again
@usonumabeach300
@usonumabeach300 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when the newer Robocop was being advertised, it said that he had suffered 4th degree burns iirc. I had the same reaction as Simon, and googled it and it turns out there are in fact 6th degree burns. 3rd is just the highest you have a real chance of surviving. Could be an interesting video idea for TIFO?
@steeljawX
@steeljawX 2 жыл бұрын
I just looked it up as well. Apparently, for those interested, it's all about how far into your body has been destroyed, essentially. 1st degree stops at or in your epidermis, 2nd at your dermis (right under the epidermis), 3rd destroys at least down to your hair follicles and sweat glands. 4th degree is burning down into your fat layers. 5th into your muscles, and ending with 6th degree being you've had damage and destruction from the burn all the way down to your bones. Most people only have to worry about 3rd degree burns because that's usually the ones people will get if they survive severe burns. However the worst burns, in my opinion, are steam burns. Unlike "traditional" burns, steam burns don't destroy your nerves, so you feel everything. If you so happen to get a 4th degree steam burn, you feel all of that.
@jpotter2086
@jpotter2086 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this, beat a lot of us to it, I'm sure. A grim topic indeed and a natural for the "didja know" type of channel.
@crouserm
@crouserm 2 жыл бұрын
As a hospital chaplain of 15 years' experience, I can only appreciate the experience and service of the crew as "first responders" at the Great Ionian Earthquake of 1953.
@chrisostling805
@chrisostling805 2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather tried to join the Navy 3 times and was rejected because he was a commercial salmon fisherman on both the Columbia River and Bristol Bay. He was accepted about a year and half before the end of the Pacific war. He served on the Cruiser Miami in one of the big gun turrets, he experienced a Kamikaze strike and each time they had an engagement his whole crew would exit the turret they had blood running out of their ears.
@Adiscretefirm
@Adiscretefirm 2 жыл бұрын
Inwardly smiling at all the Iowa natives screaming over the Des Moines pronunciation and knowing Simon doesn't care.
@timothywilson7860
@timothywilson7860 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't actually screaming about it. But it is slightly annoying.
@peten2956
@peten2956 2 жыл бұрын
At least he didn't pronounce the "s" in Des as well. But I was like, how do you know to say Des correctly but not Moines?
@brydon5721
@brydon5721 2 жыл бұрын
Idea for Simon's next channel: travelling to various sites reported to be haunted and dispelling the myths. That of a make up channel.
@tonycarpenter8661
@tonycarpenter8661 2 жыл бұрын
My father was on the heavy cruiser USS Wichita during WW2, that was also know as The Witch
@SkipFlem
@SkipFlem 11 ай бұрын
that's still better than being called 'the which?'
@Wild_Danimal
@Wild_Danimal 2 жыл бұрын
Stayed overnight during the Boy Scouts, I don’t remember the paranormal part, but I remember the crummy bunks we all slept on lol
@MildredCady
@MildredCady 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve never been on the Salem, but I’ve driven by a quite a few times.
@ksoule1985
@ksoule1985 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know how they'd have done it, but that freezer would have HAD to be replaced...same reason why NONE of the refridgerated trucks that were brought in for use during the early days of the pandemic can never be used for anything other than mortuary use ever again -- you can't just pull the wall pannels out, replace them, and have the unit still work the same...and it can't legally be considered clean unless you do that, so a full replacement it is! Also, 3rd degree (full thickness) burns involve all the layers of the skin and can usually be treated with skin grafts (depending on size and location). 4th degree...you basically end up with charring down to the bone and, if you survive it, will require amputation above said burn point. (BTW, both of the "s" in Des Moines are silent, just for future reference!)
@braddblk
@braddblk 2 жыл бұрын
What you say may be true for those trucks but Naval ships have used their freezers as temporary morgues many times without replacing the freezers. Think of all the deaths on board during war. The deep freezers are many decks below the main deck and it would take a lot of work to replace them and would have to be during a refit period in a shipyard, in the meantime if what you said was true they would not have the use of that freezer for some times years. This would not be something the ship could afford to do. When it comes down to it human bodies are meat and the walls of the freezer are stainless steel and easy to clean. I was in the USN and made 5 carrier deployments with some deaths.
@danny_d_bongo
@danny_d_bongo 2 жыл бұрын
So the "s" are really silent. Finally its solved. Thanks from a non-american.
@lmo1960
@lmo1960 Жыл бұрын
There is no evidence that any bodies from the earthquake were stored anywhere on board, never mind in the ship's reefers or freezers. It would make zero sense to bring the dead to the ship, and treating the injured was primarily done on shore where there were, not doing a very time consuming and dangerous transport to the ship. Much easier to bring medical supplies to shore and treat people there. That said, 2-3 babies were born on the Salem, as their mothers were going into labor, and it was safer for them to be shipboard. Those 3 Greek babies can claim US citizenship if they wish, as they were born on US territory!
@johna1160
@johna1160 2 жыл бұрын
10:21 There's actually a word for "Navy soldiers", it's sailors.
@crazywarriorscatfan9061
@crazywarriorscatfan9061 2 жыл бұрын
I visited her last year in August. Her 3" tertiary armament definitely needs refurbishment, but it was amazing to see the only CA that was saved!
@TommygunNG
@TommygunNG 2 жыл бұрын
"USS Salem Rapid Fire Guns Video" -- kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f6mZmdGXm5nQc6c.html
@torjejohannessen6952
@torjejohannessen6952 2 жыл бұрын
they only have 22 volunteers so it is hard and money is very much needed
@EricDKaufman
@EricDKaufman 2 жыл бұрын
Little Rock is in Buffalo NY but she has been converted to a missile cruiser.
@alanbare8319
@alanbare8319 2 жыл бұрын
She has 5"/38's as her secondary armament, The 3"/50's were her third level armament.
@crazywarriorscatfan9061
@crazywarriorscatfan9061 2 жыл бұрын
@@alanbare8319 Whoops. I mix up secondary and tertiary sometimes XD
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 2 жыл бұрын
In a month or so my father and I are meeting up at USS Salem, then both going to his house for the night (I'm in Connecticut and he is on Cape Cod) and following that up by going to Battleship Cove the next day. We both figure that this will be a fun and interesting couple of days.
@starshipmechanic
@starshipmechanic 2 жыл бұрын
both are great museums, the Salem is very open but you can tell they need resources to keep it up, Battleship cove is just so much stuff between the Massachusetts and the other ships there is a ton of stuff there.
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 2 жыл бұрын
@@starshipmechanic That is why it is being planned as 2 days. They actually offer a joint ticket you can purchase to do this. edit: btw, the next trip I am trying to get my dad onboard for is to go see Olympia and New Jersey
@starshipmechanic
@starshipmechanic 2 жыл бұрын
@@whyjnot420 I've done they both too, also when you are at the Olympia you should get a tour of the USS Becuna too, it's a Baleo class sub with the post war Guppy conversion and it's a great tour but they only do guided tours, it's moored next to the Olympia.
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 2 жыл бұрын
@@starshipmechanic Just as with linear storytelling in a video game, there are benefits to guided tours (curated in both situations if you think about it). Specifically it gives museum ships a good place for them to focus on. Given the limited resources of a lot of these museums, it probably pays to have a limited area of the ship that people go to. If you are not very familiar with a particular ship/class and do not know precisely what you want to see, they can be a great thing as well. In particular note, in terms of curation, I would love to shell out the money for a curators tour of New Jersey. If I can get my father on board for a trip there, I just need to convince some friends to go along with the trip (though 2 people on a curators tour of that ship would still be pretty awesome, maybe moreso than with a half dozen) Besides getting an awesome tour, the money really does go to a cause I truly feel is very important.... the telling of history and a ship that big needs all the help it can muster (That said, Olympia probably needs it more atm).
@turdferguson8979
@turdferguson8979 2 жыл бұрын
The USS Hornet CV-12, is another US Navy “ghost ship”. Also the ship the brought the crew of Apollo 11 home. Apparently they had two people die on the ship. One sailor (I think) and a volunteer killed himself while they were converting her into museum. I’ve had a few guides swear they have encountered at least one ghost. One of them said that he was resting on a bunk, reading a book, and suddenly felt pressure on his chest and stomach, like someone was sitting on him. He claims that he put the book down, said “please get off me”, and the pressure was gone.
@RK18771
@RK18771 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Visited uss salem last week.
@TheManFromWaco
@TheManFromWaco 2 жыл бұрын
Of course a ship named after Salem, MA would manage to attract legends of hauntings and supernatural activity. The "USS Duluth" and "USS Salt Lake City" just don't have the same ghastly panache.
@GraemePayne1967Marine
@GraemePayne1967Marine 2 жыл бұрын
Dang! That ship was comissioned on the same day I was busy being born!!! (but my event was in Luton, England.)
@attilathezilla5754
@attilathezilla5754 2 жыл бұрын
Super fun videos. Keep them coming guys.
@jonathanmatthews4774
@jonathanmatthews4774 2 жыл бұрын
Why would spirits haunt a rescue ship trying to help them and giving them "some" semblance of peace? (ie, being stored in a freezer rather than left outside to rot and being eat by animals) You think those ungrateful ghouls would be a little grateful. You try to do something nice for someone and get haunted for your troubles.
@donaldwert7137
@donaldwert7137 2 жыл бұрын
No good deed goes unpunished.
@Lowmanification
@Lowmanification 2 жыл бұрын
Because the "rules" of ghosts are horribly inconsistent from location to location. Sometimes a ghost haunts the exact location they died, other times it is a location they are most attached to, etc. It is stupid.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lowmanification That's because the ghost government is incredibly fractured and incoherent. Some see this as a deficiency in leadership while others think it's the natural consequence of having a parliament with a time-of-death gap of over 5,000 years. But you know, the haunting must still happen; consistency and predictability be damned.
@knallpistolen
@knallpistolen 2 жыл бұрын
ghost and spirits are not real, so it does not really matter
@fullcircle8231
@fullcircle8231 2 жыл бұрын
@Jonathan Matthews people who die suddenly and in violent or tragic ways.... Doesn't matter if the ship was there to help or not. It's where those people lost their life without being ready or prepared for it.
@allenhonaker4107
@allenhonaker4107 2 жыл бұрын
The growl probably wasn't a hell hound. It was something even worse called a Chief Bosun's Mate!!!
@ethansiew61
@ethansiew61 2 жыл бұрын
the USS Salem also had the largest autoloading naval guns of any vessel iirc.
@ljessecusterl
@ljessecusterl 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite Cruisers in World of Warships
@garyhill2740
@garyhill2740 15 күн бұрын
Salem (and the Des Moines class) was built to incorporate all of the lessons learned by the U.S. Navy in the battles in the Pacific, and the latest technology. A response to the very large and powerful cruisers employed by enemy navies in WW II, she was meant to dominate enemy cruisers in surface combat. She was no mere PR stunt. When she was designed, no one knew for sure how much longer the war might last. Though Salem never saw combat (her sister Newport News did in Vietnam), she played an important part in the USN maintaining naval superiority in the early Cold War era, particularly in the important Mediterranean theater. In fact, the Soviet navy designed a class of cruisers, the Project 66 medium cruisers, specifically to neutralize them. The large and impressive Project 66 ship designs were completed and ready to begin construction, but were canceled when Wargames and naval simulations by the Soviet navy determined the new ships would not have been able to outclass Salem and her sisters. Anyone interested is encouraged to research further. Both the Des Moines class, and their unbuilt Soviet adversaries, represent and interesting and lesser known chapter in Naval history.
@SharpWits2013
@SharpWits2013 2 жыл бұрын
4th-degree burns go through both layers of the skin and underlying tissue as well as deeper tissue, possibly involving muscle and bone. There is no feeling in the area since the nerve endings are destroyed. 5th-degree burn injuries occur when all the skin and subcutaneous tissues are destroyed, exposing muscle. These burns can be fatal due to damage to major arteries and veins. Fifth-degree burn injuries also may require amputation due to damage to muscles. If amputation is not needed, skin grafting will be required. 6th-degree burns are usually diagnosed at the time of autopsy. In these burns, even the bone is charred. It is nearly impossible for humans to suffer one and live.
@droliver
@droliver 2 жыл бұрын
Uh no. I do burn surgery. That's not how burns are classified.
@MrFlatage
@MrFlatage 2 жыл бұрын
@@droliver A real surgeon would simply state the official classification though ... Would a DSM5 apply to you?
@droliver
@droliver 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrFlatage wtf are you talking about?
@MrFlatage
@MrFlatage 2 жыл бұрын
@@droliver Haha any surgeon would know official medical sources. You have no clue. Instead we see a uneducated kid scream profanity and hearing voices. Which is mentioned in DSM5 as I predicted. Shame no one talks on a textbased only comment section, lmao! DSM5 confirmed!
@SharpWits2013
@SharpWits2013 2 жыл бұрын
@@droliver Direct from google :)
@jerff
@jerff 2 жыл бұрын
Oh shit I’ve lived a stone’s throw from the Salem most of my life!
@leviroseii4251
@leviroseii4251 2 жыл бұрын
I know that they would be largely obsolete today but there is just something awesome about the big gun toting warships.
@pamelamays4186
@pamelamays4186 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Sea Witch on Decoding The Unknown, please!
@harrymurphey2634
@harrymurphey2634 2 жыл бұрын
... interesting fact ... w/ those automatic loading guns the DesMiones, the Newport News, and the Salem could put more shell weight on target then the Iowa class battleships. The Newport News was teamed up w/ the New Jersey for "fire support" ... and they just plain wore the Newport News out. The DesMoines was mothballed/stored at Philly Navy Yard ... but left for scrapping just before the New Jersey came and was put on display ... what could have been???
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 2 жыл бұрын
I have always wondered what further evolution of the guns for the Des Moines class would look like (as in the concept, not the precise gun system used). Reliable automatic loading of guns starts very small, handguns just before the turn of the 1900s. Around 50 years later systems like what we have here are viable, which while not completely automatic are damned close to it. So what happens when they move from heavy cruiser grade to battleship grade..... that would have been awesome, and beyond terrifying (as this is allready terrifying enough). Truly a Des Moines cruiser was able to put a ludicrous amount of firepower on target, something similar but with twice the calibur, or even just 50% more like the guns of an Alaska is just an insane thing to think about.
@lonnyyoung4285
@lonnyyoung4285 2 жыл бұрын
@@whyjnot420 The problem you would have with such a high rate of fire (about 12 rounds per minute per gun barrel) is that you could burn through your entire supply of ammunition in a short period of time.
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 2 жыл бұрын
@@lonnyyoung4285 Well, a ship is a weapons platform. Ideally you design the platform for the weaponry you want on it. That includes the ammo. Therefore a ship designed with an autoloading main battery would take this into consideration. Of course it is going to go faster than if the rate of fire was slower or the magazine smaller (or both), but that is the definition of "truism". (meaning that nothing is gained by stating it) Food for thought: Given the range of battleship grade guns by the end of ww2 (20+ miles). One could feasibly sit offshore, with each turret providing firepower for a different location with that rate of fire. (especially if using a spotter to call in corrections) Besides, you do not need the rate of fire of a cruiser grade gun. Iowa had a rate of 2 shots per minute per barrel. Salem has a rate of 10 per min per barrel. Baltimore had a rate of (up to) 4 per min per barrel. (Baltimore had an earlier version of the 8" 55 caliber guns that the Des Moines class used). So what I was envisioning was a maximum rate of perhaps 6 or 7 rounds per min per barrel. If going from 4 to 10 was good for a cruiser, I see going from 2 to 6-7 for a battleship (assuming even more well developed systems, given the later date this would happen in, assuming the same quality/reliability then 5 per min per barrel) would be perfectly acceptable. And if you know the job that is being assigned the ship, you know what kind of ammo should make up the majority of your stores. (you don't go off to do shore bombardment with your magazines 85% full of AP rounds). So running out of the specific kind of ammunition you are supposed to be using the most of, gets mitigated by the logistics side of things. Lastly, just like with a typical speed limit only giving you a maximum speed that is permitted there is nothing saying you cannot reduce your rate of fire when conservation of your ammo is desirable. tldr; Not a problem. edit: For clarity, the earlier guns of the Baltimores were not autoloaders of any kind, but they were earlier marks of the 8"/55 guns that would be developed into the mark 16 system used in the Des Moines class.
@lmo1960
@lmo1960 2 жыл бұрын
There is a weight and physics issue to consider. Automating a 16 inch weapon system isn't as easy as doubling up the Salem's systems. Huge weight difference, can you automatically and safely load powder bags? Fixed cases for 16" is probably not even possible
@whyjnot420
@whyjnot420 2 жыл бұрын
@@lmo1960 Like I stated from the getgo, evolution of the concept not evolution of the exact same gun system. Not necessarily even talking about the same rate of fire as a Des Moines. Saying there are issues that would have to be overcome when talking about a future evolution of anything, be it pure theory or not, is to say the single most redundant thing that could possibly be said within that context. And since we are not talking about moving from an 8 inch shell to an 800 inch shell, it is not as if we are talking about crazy things, even by the standards of 1945. We can have a nice discussion as to the feasibility of 16"+ or 18"+ guns and how that might effect future developments, as there are far fewer certainties there. BTW, the answer to "can you load powder bags automatically?" is Yes, in fact it is partly automated even in an Iowa (look at the fact that there are hoists which move things up and down, as well as pushed up into the breech itself, those are aspects which would still exist in an automated system much as they are already providing you haven't changed the multistory design of a barbette much that is). Another thing to think of is that part of the reason for breaking up the entire thing into 7 pieces with an Iowa, projectile and 6 bags, is really about restrictions placed on the equipment by the fleshbags running it. A system that does away with said fleshbags, doesn't need to think about their restrictions as much, does it? It is evolution of an entire system afterall and that includes how stuff is stored, how stuff gets stocked, how it is delivered (within the ship) to where it is needed and so on.
@davidjarkeld2333
@davidjarkeld2333 2 жыл бұрын
"The highest concentration of paranormal activity occurs nowhere as it's not real" LOL brilliant!
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 2 жыл бұрын
A fictionalized account of the Greek incident was featured as an episode of the 1950s TV show "Navy Log". The title of the episode is "Demos the Greek". Instead of the heavy cruiser USS Salem (CA-139), the story takes place aboard the USS Albany (CA-123), which itself was portrayed by the light cruiser USS Providence (CL-82). You can watch it on KZfaq.
@TheFlutecart
@TheFlutecart 2 жыл бұрын
Great historical story!
@ravertaking6343
@ravertaking6343 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard of the USS Salem until today. Boot camp Naval history classes didn't cover it.
@JR-kq7pv
@JR-kq7pv 2 жыл бұрын
As a boy (12), I had the chance to see the ship when it was open to her former sailors (who were having a convention to celebrate) just before the museum officially opened. We were invited on with a few other local civilians who were staring at the magnificent ship. Was very cool to see it and get the tour from those who served on her. Interesting fact about the ship as told to me by the former Sailor is that an armed guard protected a small room onboard 24 hours a day and the sailors didn't know why. The reason was CA-139 carried a some Nuclear Tipped Shells to fire from the 8 inch gun. Talk about firepower... Now, I can't find this anywhere on the internet and this was told to me by a sailor who was not official with the museum, but who was an active sailor on the ship while she was in service. So it could be true, but I acknowledge that he could have been joking...Either way it was a great story and visit. If anyone can confirm that would be really amazing.
@Thepirireis
@Thepirireis 2 жыл бұрын
@1:48 The Salem was decommissioned January 30, 1959 but sister ship U.S.S. Newport News (CA 148) was decommissioned June 27, 1975.
@133Reptiles
@133Reptiles 2 жыл бұрын
Years ago I spent a night on the Salem for a boyscout outing. I can say I did not run into anything super natural. I guess they just weren't out that night.
@robertspears6752
@robertspears6752 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful ship been on her twice she needs help awesome ship you should see her in person simon
@charleymurphy2794
@charleymurphy2794 2 жыл бұрын
Simon please do the history of electricity , from discovery to implementation and every day use. It’a a fascinating story
@EricDKaufman
@EricDKaufman 2 жыл бұрын
that would be good. Do this Simon
@chalky3320
@chalky3320 2 жыл бұрын
now who's a bright spark....
@ABrit-bt6ce
@ABrit-bt6ce 2 жыл бұрын
Have him explain how it works. There are arguements right now on that.
@troyhidvegi
@troyhidvegi 2 жыл бұрын
I found that Pro Jim Al Khalili does a fantastic job of covering the subject kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fdqgaJSWv9Hbn30.html
@charleymurphy2794
@charleymurphy2794 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a spark in the uk and love the science behind it , the bbc did a great three part documentary on it a few years ago but I need fact boy to put it in his style . When first discovered they tried to capture static in glass jars , great story that we take for granted every day
@scottk3034
@scottk3034 2 жыл бұрын
Sailors, the Squids get upset when you misname them.
@timengineman2nd714
@timengineman2nd714 2 жыл бұрын
4th Degree Burns were added since with advances to Medicine some 3rd Degree burns became more treatable.... 4th Degree Burns basically require Amputation. They've recently added 5th & 6th Degree Burns meaning Organ Damage, plus Amputation.
@justin2142
@justin2142 2 ай бұрын
I grew up in quincy, In elementary school we went inside the ship for a field trip.
@krakhedd
@krakhedd 2 жыл бұрын
The Alaskas are still my favorite cruisers!
@JJ-si4qh
@JJ-si4qh 2 жыл бұрын
It's an amazing ship to visit!
@oldmangimp2468
@oldmangimp2468 2 жыл бұрын
She was one of the last true gunfighters.
@makeracistsafraidagain
@makeracistsafraidagain 2 жыл бұрын
Fifth degree burns are when all the surface tissues are burned away exposing muscle. Sixth degree burns go through the muscle to the bone. Some classifications go up to forth degree burns being bone damage.
@eaphantom9214
@eaphantom9214 2 жыл бұрын
This ship should have been on megaprojects 🚢
@dananichols349
@dananichols349 2 жыл бұрын
Simon, Navy ships do not have "hallways". They are properly called passage ways.
@jonathanwhite5132
@jonathanwhite5132 2 жыл бұрын
Or P-ways
@Tomyironmane
@Tomyironmane 2 жыл бұрын
There are indeed 4th degree burns. That is when the burn is so deep that they burn deeper muscle and bone. My dad knew a guy who got one from accidentally pouring molten aluminum down his boot. There are also class D fires, not merely A, B, and C...
@ipattison
@ipattison 2 жыл бұрын
Best Sideprojects graphics yet.
@darvinclement3250
@darvinclement3250 2 жыл бұрын
Pro tip: Go to Salem for Halloween. Beautiful time of year, great history, lots of things to do, the costumes on Halloween are epic. Get your room reservations 10-12 months in advance. You won't regret it.
@lmo1960
@lmo1960 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, Ghost Ship Harbor, an independent, totally separate, for-profit company, that rented the Salem for October, has gone out of business.
@nx014
@nx014 2 жыл бұрын
Sideprojects- how about doing a video on the Battleship USS Missouri (BB-63)?
@tylerchrist3249
@tylerchrist3249 2 жыл бұрын
Wicked, 3 minutes after posting I get to watch it, that never happens for me with these videos!!
@tokyosmash
@tokyosmash 2 жыл бұрын
I groaned out loud when you mentioned it served another 5.5 years after doing all the disaster relief and the reefer being used for bodies.
@ronaldfinkelstein6335
@ronaldfinkelstein6335 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if she could have been of use in the Korean War? I know some of the Iowa class Battleships did shore bombardment there...and I believe some heavy cruisers from the Royal Navy were there.
@starshipmechanic
@starshipmechanic 2 жыл бұрын
I believe one of her sister ships was use in Korea, the 8" rapid fire guns may have possibly taken out a mig with an AA shell at one point if I recall correctly
@lmo1960
@lmo1960 2 жыл бұрын
That was Newport News, during the Vietnam War. All 3 Des Moines class ships were Mediterranean and Caribbean based during the Korean War
@RealSaintB
@RealSaintB 2 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early Simon didn't even have this KZfaq Channel
@nickvanachthoven7252
@nickvanachthoven7252 2 жыл бұрын
Suggestion. USS Indianopolis. its sinking was biggest loss of life at sea for the US navy. also the ship that secretly delivered the nuclear bombs to Guam(about two days before it was sank).
@dennislosee
@dennislosee Жыл бұрын
As a teenager my friend had keys to get on to the USS Salem. I’m sure the tales of it being haunted started before 20 years ago but we would take uniforms out of the museum put them on and climb up the mast then quickly move out of sight as boats or cars drove by. I know at least one time I was able to freak out about a dozen commuters on the harbor express😂. I spent dozens of nights aboard that ship and yes it’s creepy but for us it was a place to bring girls and have epic games of relievio or hide and go seek. More then one time did one of my buddys or my self get knocked on their but by running through the ship in the dark and smacking our heads on the door ways ect.
@GenLinkzCnC
@GenLinkzCnC 2 жыл бұрын
It goes up to 6th degree burns. Though past 4 you can't feel it anymore due to no more nerves and generally you're dead at 5.
@finscreenname
@finscreenname 2 жыл бұрын
Put a thousand teenagers on a ship with its history and the stories will flow.
@davidpantherchild3181
@davidpantherchild3181 2 жыл бұрын
Both s's are silent in Des Moines; the modern capital city of Iowa
@Indyofthedead
@Indyofthedead 2 жыл бұрын
4th degree burns are burns that completely strip the layers of skin, resulting in burns to muscle or bone.
@davidrutherford6311
@davidrutherford6311 2 жыл бұрын
Random question about the Des Moines class. If the ship goes to maintains max rate of fire does it run out of ammunition first or does it have to stop to cool the barrels?
@lmo1960
@lmo1960 2 жыл бұрын
The Newport News bombarded North Vietnam and had to rearm every other day. They did not maintain maximum rate of fire all day, as it wasn't needed. But the rate of fire did quickly deplete the ammo.
@Colonel_Overkill
@Colonel_Overkill 2 жыл бұрын
As an idea of the progression of ship sizes, HMS Dreadnaught (the first modern battleship) and USS salem were close enough to be identical at 20,000 tons roughly
@drakko26
@drakko26 2 жыл бұрын
Just a question though: how was the USS Salem the 1st cruiser to operate automatic 8"ers when she's a Des Moines class CA? I.e. the USS Des Moines was released before the Salem as far as I remember.
@lmo1960
@lmo1960 2 жыл бұрын
The Salem was originally the lead ship of the class, so early documentation states Salem Class ships. Des Moines ended up being finished first, so transitional documents specified Salem/Des Moines class. The 3 Salem/Des Moines class ships have the largest automatic naval rifles ever deployed by any navy ever.
@steeljawX
@steeljawX 2 жыл бұрын
Suggestion. There's a few other lesser known, but also still renowned ships of WWII, as well as some with some confusing stories with their backgrounds or fates. I think either Side Projects going on about a short list of them and their claims to fame or doing short lists by nation would be a decent run of videos. I'm talking about ships like the HMS Glowworm, USS Juneau, USS Salt Lake City, the war prize KGM Prinz Eugen that became the USS Prinz Eugen, IJN Musashi, HMS Ark Royal, British constructed but Japanese owned IJN Kongo. Some of those are fairly well known, but they still have interesting stories. The KGM Graf Zeppelin and how it was almost completed is a pretty interesting one. A grand aircraft carrier for the Germans for the defensive war Germany was suddenly in. . . . with all the planes that they didn't have developed for CV usage and all the fuel and metal the didn't have around 1943-1945. . . . But it was almost finished.
@clovisursa497
@clovisursa497 2 жыл бұрын
Yes there are 4th degree burns. 4th degree burns go all the way through all layers of skin into muscle. There's actually six degrees of burns (or at least I was always told that there are six) with the 6th being burned all the way down to the bone (which is almost always fatal).
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke 2 жыл бұрын
4th degree burns are where the burns are so severe it's gone through your skin into the muscle tissue and or bones below, basically resulting in some pretty horrific injuries, so, today you found out that 4th degree is even worse... :P
@petepatton7496
@petepatton7496 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, she isn't the last heavy cruiser to enter service, although she is probably the last "gun" cruiser to be commissioned. Although i guess you could argue that the missile cruisers aren't heavy cruisers, they fall into that same displacement and role.
@pancholopez8829
@pancholopez8829 2 жыл бұрын
4th Degree burns are a think, Simon. I think I first heard it from Spike TV's 1000 Ways to Die. But basically, 4th Degree Burns is literally burning to your bone. Depending the severity, you can survive 3rd Degree. But you are screwed when having 4th Degree with little chance to survive.
@SharpWits2013
@SharpWits2013 2 жыл бұрын
Not quite, that's 5th and 6th
@pancholopez8829
@pancholopez8829 2 жыл бұрын
@@SharpWits2013 man. I'm surprise there is even 5th and 6th degree burns.
@SharpWits2013
@SharpWits2013 2 жыл бұрын
@@pancholopez8829 4th-degree burns go through both layers of the skin and underlying tissue as well as deeper tissue, possibly involving muscle and bone. There is no feeling in the area since the nerve endings are destroyed. 5th-degree burn injuries occur when all the skin and subcutaneous tissues are destroyed, exposing muscle. These burns can be fatal due to damage to major arteries and veins. Fifth-degree burn injuries also may require amputation due to damage to muscles. If amputation is not needed, skin grafting will be required. 6th-degree burns are usually diagnosed at the time of autopsy. In these burns, even the bone is charred. It is nearly impossible for humans to suffer one and live.
@mbukukanyau
@mbukukanyau 2 жыл бұрын
Mushashi,Johnstone, the tin can, Yamato and HMS Victory also come to mind, Illustrious, Hood, so many great ships
@techfixr2012
@techfixr2012 2 жыл бұрын
Your humor kills me Simon.
@PapaMav
@PapaMav 3 ай бұрын
Visited it last August.
@robertfane1312
@robertfane1312 2 жыл бұрын
There's a specific term used for members of the armed forces who serve in the Naval forces... they're called SAILORS.
@niklastorshagen6365
@niklastorshagen6365 2 жыл бұрын
I love that you don't condone the ridiculous notion that is "haunted places"
@michaelwallace1329
@michaelwallace1329 2 жыл бұрын
This class of ships were real pocket battle ships!
@lmo1960
@lmo1960 2 жыл бұрын
Nope, cruisers through and through, by design and mission.
@christiansee2500
@christiansee2500 2 жыл бұрын
Well the next ship to do has to be the Warspite.
@davidbenner2289
@davidbenner2289 2 жыл бұрын
One of my wife's direct ancestors was hanged as a witch in 1697 near Salem.
@philipibaugh2925
@philipibaugh2925 11 ай бұрын
Bethlehem Steel, my grandfather worked there after coming home from ww2.
@jaybee9269
@jaybee9269 2 жыл бұрын
Des Moines-the “esses” are silent.
@kempmt1
@kempmt1 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen pictures of USS Newport News whereas the B turret had a gun barrel missing, anyone knows what happened to it?
@lmo1960
@lmo1960 2 жыл бұрын
Premature shell explosion, killing 20 sailors. Google it for more details
@geraldineparker883
@geraldineparker883 Жыл бұрын
what a spooky ship love haunted ships thank you so mutch
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