if you steal a worker and build stuff you should be able to use any unit from that race

For a challenge where the main tech unit is the infestor I think it's perfectly legit to build anything you want from the other races if you can actually make it happen.

It was me - I was just impressed by your micro. Hence the wow. Changeling block was nice - didn't even realize they were there!

20:16 this changeling block is brilliant! Haha. I never thought it would work. I feel like your opponent is going to watch this and just get super embarrassed. But the tiny mistake is so relatable.

Id say queens are ok in any quantity. Like you said, they’re like an orbital for zerg, but with a little bit of mobile planetary mixed in. They’re good defence tools, good macro tools and your only real anti air. Make 50 of them if you want, it’s a terrible strat anyway.

That changeling block is honestly one of the best things I think that I have ever seen in SC2. Uthermal has the biggest brain plays

Can.t believe im still so entertained by these videos in 2024. Im up for Uthermal SC series continuing till the day i die :))

1:43 I would love to see that! Protoss is doable, but terran? If someone can make it work is you! 28:36 You should be allowed to train enemy units, it's totally in the spirit of the challenge! And I wouldn't say it makes thing easier, rather more spectacular, challenging and epic

The main thing I want to see in this challenge is you connecting your bases with creep lol. It breaks my little zerg heart every time one of your queens slow waddles between your main and nat.

I've always wanted to see a creep challenge. Namely, no matter what happens, your ultimate goal is to spread creep over the entire map as fast as possible. I'm talking from corner to corner. Now, obviously, if your opponent is also Zerg, this is no longer a challenge, but it might still be interesting.

Marc: "The first game was rough, definitely going to need to make double evos before infestors" Next game: *proceeds to make 100 infestors before any upgrades 😂*

All units from the other race that you build out post-neural is fair game imo. It’s all an extension of your infestor’s abilities.

Those changelings were *chefs kiss*

Those changelings were incredible. 😂

Rules should allow you to be able to build any unit if it is not a Zerg unit; so you can try to steal a worker and make there units.

Building more than 200 infestors is a real 200+ IQ strat P.S. For queens, I would say either have 6 or 1 per Hatch, or have as many as needed, but never use them for attack.

Thx marc for some of the most jank zerg play I've ever seen. Keep up the good work.

18:20 - "Now he's kind of playing into my hands!" Narrator: "He wasn't."

I think being able to build any unit from the enemy race with infester counts, I mean technically by mind controlling enemy units, you are breaking the challenge. Since you are trying to win with units outside of you're set challenge. If its fair to win the challenge via mind controlling enemy units, it should also be fair if you build them through the same process (stealing wandering workers). Even more to that point, I think it would be fun to see the challenge morph into "Steal terran and protoss units for a hybrid army win" with a more pure win with infestors/lings/ultras/queens vs other zergs. Its hard enough to get a enemy worker back to your base through mind control, so really it just adds even more of a challenge, especially against GMs who probably are less likely to send mid to late game probes out to be gotten.

Let's go!! I was hoping for this series so bad, glad to see it happen. Rushing the ling upgrades all the way +drops seems like one idea that might work, especially earlier on. Also I think pretty much everyone wants to see an attempt at worker neural, might be easier to pull off with toss as you said. Bonus points for neural into fake cannon rush xD

Damn Marc! Almost 125k subs! I think I was around when you had 1.5k subs. So happy for your success! Wish you good health and killer games!

21:55 Noo, the forgotten ling will never be remembered.

First of all, fantastic new series, Marc ;). If we want ultras yes or no, idk, but I don't think that's what the 2nd game showed us there. I think it showed us that Marc can keep people occupied with the lings while building up at home. If instead of mass mass infestor we go mass economy and upgrades and some infestors, even building spine/spore fields over time, then we could forever defend and wear the opponent down. I believe that the eventual doom push is stoppable if there are enough bases to trade and better use of spine spore zones defended by some ling infestor. If infestors are good enough remains to be seen, but the game, if anything, demonstrated the potential of this style, through its base trade capability and infestor defence concept, which I believe just needs some minor adjustment. As Marc do, I'm sure we will get to see this perfected and am excited for what else his brain will birth for us. Add ultras to that... I think we may have another banger boys and girls!

The title absolutely cracked me up. Looking forward to this series!

That changling block was the most cruel but hilarious thing I've seen in Starcraft.

Verry enjoyable episode, looking foward for this challenge

THANK YOU UThermal, for keeping us entertained with the best SC content in the world. Your fans love you. Your rivals are salty. The world is your playground!

Personally I think as many queens as you like, I would even be cool with them on the attack so you can actually shoot up and hit air :P As far as Ultras go, you need something in the late game or the series will just become "Can I rush them before they get too big to fail?" and then its another cheese series (which I do love, but I got the feeling you wanted this to be different?) So it's less catchy a name but Infest, Ling, Ultra, Queen to GM works for me lol

I feel like 2 queens per base seems fair

Since you have to have overminds add CONTAMINATE

You could possibly do a "timed release" of new units.... So ling / infestor up until 10 min, then you can produce ultras, pretend they're all locked in cages and can't get out until 10:00 or 15:00. That would allow you to play with ling / infestor, but allow for a hard transition later.

It's insane how good the changeling block was!!

I'd love to see a queen, swarm host challenge where you use nidus and hit and run but also create strong points at your nidus locations with spines/spores. Basically pop a nidus get a few tumors down and throw down some static defense attack with your swarms and jump to the next strong point. Could use pukelords to help with the creep placement as well. I feel like using static defense with nidus could make it really gross to have to deal with especially with hit and run swarm hosts and queens regening everything.

the title made me laugh :) ggs and gl with the challenge

This is awesome! With the observers, I wonder if you could just neural them to have your opponent loose their vision? You are the pro but thats what came to mind :)

I absolutely love your content, uThermal. It's insane how good you are at keeping things entertaining and engaging. You are in a league of your own, it's wild.

Neuraling another race's worker and building units is absolutely within the spirit of the challenge. We want to see a multi race army!

That was fun, thanks Marc!

You'll need queen drops or nydus at some point. Anti Air is very weak.

cant you droplord an infestor in his mineral line , kidnap a SCV or probe > bring back with the droplord > change race mid match?

Those changelings, man, freking hilarious.

1. Stealing a worker and making your own stuff from that worker 100% should be legal because that came from your infesters ability. 2. That block with your changelings on the ramp was the coolest play I've ever seen!

You are most certainly allowed to neural a probe to build protoss units. Heck, do it to a terran. You get bonus points if you do it to a zerg.

Ling infestor? That takes me back to the glorious days of Serral wrecking every tournament.

DUDE, that last game... That Protoss was terrified of you. :D Never forget: We love when you win, cool. But when you lose the game, you are still great and fun and awesome, so even if you lost all your games... it wouldn't matter. :D

Conclusion: normal zerg got nerfed. Uthermal Zerg got buffed in the last patch.

That business with the changelings was absolutely disgusting XD

I think that if you want to make ultras, maybe you do a different challenge later where you put ultras in dropper lords and bring infestors. Maybe for that challenge your allowed a small amount of lings for early game defense. For this challenge I think make 1 queen per hatchery and 2 per lair/hive, if you really want to do math. It could be interesting to make a strategy around building extra of certain buildings to allow more of those units. That seems like you could make a challenge series of of that idea on its own.

If you steal a worker and build stuff, you should be able to build only units related to a previous challenge !! 😂

When you mass neural, the ones doing the neural are the infestors in front, and they are the first to die, so it never works. You need to either neural ALL the units closer to your infestors and wall off the other units in the back, which is only possible if you're up against slow fat units like thors or archons, without smaller units that can fit between them (i.e. zealots/marines), or snipe the detection. For that second game in particular, neural the observers and it's gg.

I wonder if you would wanna try to combine this with the Noah's Arc. I.e. you can have any amount of lings/infestors and a reasonable number of queens, but also any other combat unit, up to 2 of each kind. So, 2 ultras, 2 vipers, 2 lurkers, 2 swarm hosts etc. And you should definitely be allowed to build your opponent's units in any quantities if you manage to capture a worker. I mean, it's one of the coolest things that can happen in sc2, it just has to be allowed in a mass-infestor challenge.

Nydus is so cool! You talked about not been able to expand, but nydus? Conecting bases? Anyway awsome vids and content!

Thanks for the fun! ^^ I wonder if you can put a zergling or an hydralisk in a bunker?

For queens I consider them more of a utility unit like overlords than a combat unit so I say build as much as you want as long as you are not using them in place of a real army. Would lean heavily on No for Ultras as one thing I like with these challenges is improving and how bar you can push a limited set of tools.

My thoughts. 1 : as many queens as you want but for base def and creep only. 2 i want to see dropper lords dropping infestors in mineral line and fungalling

Having a whole base of the other players race would be incredible!

I haven't finished watching the video yet but wanna say: I love crackling, infestor, hydra. Obviously for your challenge its gotta be just ling infestor and queen but with the limited anti air I dont think you should limit your queens to 6. I think 10 max would be good cuz then you can actually deal with mass air but still have to utilize spores and try to drag the ships into them with neural and stuff. Good luck!

Best series of all! ❤❤❤ Finally some Zerg love ❤😊

I'm stuck between wanting you to spread no creep and wanting you to become amazing at spreading lots of creep. Haha. Both would be equally fun to watch

I'm glad you decided to use the base defences, zerg base defences are really strong, can reposition and cost no supply. Used right they are your end game units!

Now I want a changeling challenge where you block ramps and retreats from your opponnents and roll over them with banelings.

For Ultralisks you could do a limitation such as you can only time them to pop around the time 2/2 or even 3/3 upgrades finish so they're a true late game unit

20:15 This is Brilliant!!! XD

This has been your best creep spread yet

Watching this a second time. Hate seeing you lose, Marc, but love this series. Hopefully we see some SCV + probe neurals! 🙏🏽🙏🏽

That game of not attacking was hilarious

PLEASE DO THIS: Take control of a probe/scv and make the command center, make more scvs/probes and then make an hybid army and win OR completely turn into a protoss/ terran player

Uthermal actually spreading creep?! Albeit at a high diamond/low masters pace, but a significant improvement! Probably the series I've been most hyped for in a while, really feels like uncharted territory with a lot of potential to use it in different ways

I think with this amount of infestors you need some unit to tank the opp army, basically infestors works in the back stage while the units tanking are buying time for neural to be cost/efficiency

I think the queens just can't leave your side of the map; make as many as you like. :)

That hatch placement @18:51

I see title and start wondering how he build 150 infestors

I've been waiting for the infestor's and you creating Skytoss to end the game :D

doesn't matter number of queens as long as the strategy revolves around ling-infestor...you can make 9 (or whatever) and then sacrifice some of them during combat because suplply is needed for the core army anyway

This challenge has to be one of the best. I can already hear the salt!

Marc, you did not add this first episode to the Ling/Infestor playlist! It's no problem, I was able to find it still, but it might still be good to add for other viewers :)

Hey Uthermal! How about adding the ability to add vipers to the units you could build since air should be really tricky for this build? After all, what is a viper if but an infester with wings?

ooh nice series :)

Any amount of queens but you can only use them defensively. Cheers Marc.

Rules suggestion if you want to go hard: rather than placing a limit on the number of queens, just say "Defensive queens only" which basically means you can't attack with them. That keeps them in the spirit of the "zerg orbital."

Haven't played sc2 since WOL and I still watch these videos.

About queens: 1 per hatch is too few, so is 6 especially if you're playing macro game. I'd say it doesn't matter how many queens you build as long as they're somewhere next to your hatch/going between your hatches. Maybe something like [1 per hatch + 3] or [2 per hatch] could be a decent compromise since some are still in favor of restricting number of queens. My biggest worry is that either your antiair would suck or building too many spores would put you too far behind.

if you neural a medivac would it heal zerg units since there bio??

The trick with changelings its awesome 🎉😂❤

This is going to be sweet! As for queens, I guess never attacking the opponent's base with queens would stay within the spirit of the challenge almost regardless of numbers.

27:10 two observers show up right in the vision of the overseer. 28:16 If he DOES have detection 28:53 He does have detection! It's a disaster! It's nice to know that Marc sometimes makes mistakes like I do, but he still recovers so much better than I ever can.

Infestor drops into worker lines could be devastating. 😂

What about dropping a spire to build like 2-3 corruptors and create one unit group with them and 1-2 overseers, just to snipe the observers instantly, then burrow infestors and neural half of units when opponent commits to attack? That would be so damn strategic :)

Changeling ramp block, I died

Hi Uthermal (Marc) - You should rush nydus worms at every hatch and try not to lose any drones to harass, just run them into a nydus until the attacking units are countered ...

I am looking forward to the more quirky things with zerg marc but to be honest I'd be more hyped for a roach/ravager/infestor challenge. Only because then your infestors would get some decent value with roaches tanking and the bile/fungal combo can be disgustingly efficient.

You build more than 20 infestors?? Looking forward to this vid!

Future zerg series (Creep only challenge) only allowed to walk on creep challenge, including the creep you get from overlords and creep tumors. Hopefully it will get Uthermal into the habit of spreading creep all the time

Fast expansion to the Rich Gas base might be the play more often for the purposes of this build

So your antiair away from bases is fungal and your opponent's army? That very much sounds like a uThermal challenge indeed!

it will be interesting if you make a video or series with maps from TL map contest 19. I so PROs on those maps but it'll be interesting if you give your reaction for example about new healing zone structure. Love your videos ❤

I don't really know how neural works, like the nuances of it? Can you lift into a dropperlord a controlled unit?

Ouch. Dieing to a 25min turtling protoss hurts

New series let's go!

If you steal a worker, anything goes as long as it's a different race!