Took me a while for me to confirm a bias, but as the second part of the show went on (when they traveled to Korea after the LA Boot Camp), I got myself drawn to Kaylee for her stable vocals, her consistant dancing skills and the way she manages to emote a lot while dancing. And even though it was pointed out in the finals that she is always visually checking on the other members, it's really endearing to me! She looks well adjusted to the "idol life" and, I don't know... I just feel like from where she is now, she'll just be able to grow even better in a few years. She's a hard worker!

KG and Camila

Lexi and Kendall also Savanna is so chill

Kg and kaylee

Savannah

Yes this is exactly what I wish would happen too

Obsessed with this idea! Let’s manifest it!

@@Manny888Festo JYP already knows what to do!!!!

Or it would be good for VCHA to collaberate with Itzy to tap into the korean area, or maybe SKZ, but just not Twice. I feel like a Twice x VCHA collab wouldnt end well.

I don't know about you,but for me, it's the vibes they give off, most if not all kpop groups are put in such a high pedestal not only by the industry but also the fans, to the point where i genuinely accidentally forget their actual people, that's the level where it's at, but with VCHA is different, they don't feel like a kpop group, they fell more like a group of girlfriends who have a group that just so happens to be famous, most people want to meet kpop groups cause they want to meet their favorite idols, if i ever got the chance to meet VCHA, i would have much more interest in being their friend than anything else, they just feel like just a nice group to hang out with, and i think that's what sets them apart from the rest of kpop

that's why I think the LA Bootcamp was important to show, just how lacking a lot of the contestants were... Besides Camila, she was ready to debut from the beginning, honestly.

VCHA definitely has a lot of potential so I really hope their debut is great

@@Sohnee 😉

Haven't kept up with dream academy but I heard there was a lot of drama surrounding it

yea, I just hope people hate for JYP isn't projected on the girls... I mean it was literally why people hated Kendall so much, because JYP adored Kendall from the beginning, and so she got so much hate, despite seeing her growth from the beginning to the end, she changed so much... I mean she didn't even know what falsetto was...

@@_aPaladin It’s already happening where people are hating on the girls, I just hope they prove everyone wrong with their debut and upcoming songs

I don't think it's what they want, I think it's who's ready to debut that counts... Honestly I thought JYP was going to debut all the girls that went to Korea, since there were not that many contestants to start with, and we KNOW he wanted a variety in the group.

I would say that artists like Selena and Miley are products of their time. They had extremely successful shows at a time when the disney channel was at its peak. This is what made it easier for them to appeal to younger audiences. But since then, so much has changed in the way younger audiences consume media that makes it difficult for new artists to fit that role. That being said, I think the fact that there's so much discussion being made about VCHA is exciting. It shows that people are passionately anticipating what this group will do next.

I whole hardly agree with you!

Younger/teens audience are not into that kind of entertainment anymore. There must be a reason why Disney scrap their show. Even Disney gave up on that demographics 😅

That's how I feel too

It's funny that you said NMIXX was bullied out of the "mixxpop" concept, which at the time you wrote your comment felt true… but then it turned out they were preparing an EP that doubled down on Mixxpop, and they ended up being rewarded for it -- the girls (+ the songwriters) were ahead of the curve… Meanwhile Babymonster's debut was mid. But that's beside the point. I thought VCHA's predebut was okay but not great. I hope their debut single is good.

Thinking about it, I also never heard TWICE's debut songs characterized as having an "outdated" sound. So I'm not sure what the source of that take is.

kidzbop lyrics lmao

I agree!

You know me had to drop another classic

@@Sohnee Alright, now that I watched your video, I can say I really enjoyed it! It was informative, and it really showed how much time and research you actually put into it: you pulled out deep cuts for some background videos, and others were basically brand new! It seems like you watched most if not all of A2K, and also some, if not most VCHA content. So even though you came to a conclusion that it's a mess for them right now, we can totally see it's not an half-assed take on the subject. And I would agree with most of your points! Most of the critiscms of the songs is that they're too "Disney Channel" (granted I never had the Disney Channel so I can't say I know exactly what it means, but I get the gist of it) and while I agree they sound like they're from early 2000s, I find their first 3 songs good enough to listen to: they're well-produced, energetic and fun, and definitely more "american" than "korean k-pop". Also, the studio version of these all are (thankfully!) way better sounding than what we heard during A2K's finale episodes. If JYP himself mined the 60s and 70s sound, and TWICE went for the 80s and 90s musics (lately, not at first), why not go to the 2000s with a group this young. I would grant you that the name "VCHA"... caught me by surprise when it was revealed. A lot! I also couldn't understand the thought process that went into naming what is basically a new american group with a korean name that looks like nothing in english. (Side note: personnally, I would have gone with something like one of the sub-units named themselves at one of the team mission: Sp3ktrum. Maybe without the "3" since it's not for a 3-members group like it was in the show, but anyway!). That means they'll basically have to explain everytime, to everyone, what their name means when they get interviewed or something. But oh well, I got used to it because... that's what we have to do! It's not too bad after a while, and at least it's got the "uniqueness" factor going for it, in the US's naming landscape! That Misha was eliminated, I get it. That Yuna's gone, I totally understand. That Melissa quit, that was like.... okay? And according to you, she maybe did it to get in another show? (That was a cool part of your video since I had no idea about that, nor watched these scenes with her before). But that's the finalist that we would have to speculate a bit more. Christina must have struggled more that we thought, compared to the others. But as for Gina... as talented as she was from the very beginning, I think she just never improved from that level she was at first that much, and that cost her in the end. Or maybe she didn't express emotions enough in her voice or dance. Or maybe it was an "attitude" problem that was never shown, like, I don't know, maybe she always left during practice to go on extended smoking breaks. I mean, we'll probably never know exactly why. In the end, though, I don't miss any of the eliminated contestants. (I did find her "Freedom" music video very dry, her moves were static, her voice didn't show that much emotions and the content of the lyrics were basically a diss track, and I hate diss tracks... but hey, she got to 1 million views recently so congrats to her! :) I do wish her a good career in the future is that's what she wants). But to circle back to your original premise: - Will VCHA be successful in Korea? Probably not, since they are americans making music in english. Most could be curious, but also some will actively boycott the group for these reasons. - Will they be successful in the US? Probably not, since as you said the market is already saturated, both from pop artists to k-pop artists piercing the US market. - Should NMIXX have been that global girl group from JYP? I'm not sure they ever were thought of that way, even though they haven an english speaker, and some members learned a bit of spanish. I think it was always the idea to start in the korean market, then expend to either the US or to Mexico (or South America) but that their original plans may have been a bit scuttled by their earlier controversies (Mixpop, Jini leaving, inability to chart as well as other concurrent 4th gen girl groups, etc.). I hope they'll get there, though, in time. Hey, they're in Australia right now doing a show at the 4th largest indoor arena in the world, in Sydney, so that's not bad! :) - Do I stand VCHA? You bet I do :) Have a great day!! (EDIT: A point I wanted to make at first, but slipped out of my mind is that I don't think JYP made a group to reach instant international success and fame. As he often said, he prefers a group to build up steadily so that it can stay in the long run. He also prefers artists that have potential to grow and are earger to learn, as opposed to some very skillful ones that might not grow up as much afterwards. Lastly, VCHA is unique in the k-pop genre, or market, so far. For VCHA to work, they have to be a pioneer! That's pretty gutsy, and I actually admire JYP for making these choices, more often than we might assume.) It's a quirky concept, it's a gamble, but one that I want to see succeed :)

@@fecktor I should clarify that I'm not claiming that Melissa left to go to the other show. She just happened to do that other show immediately after leaving A2K.

@@Sohnee Still, it was news to me that she even did anything at all after A2K (besides going on a video call with the other eliminated contestants). Good research either way!

@@fecktor Tha'ts the first that I've heard that KPOP has saturated the US market. I would say they're growing in popularity over here, but 9 out of 10 people wouldn't be able to name a kpop artist or group nor would they recognize kpop music if they heard it.

I only got into Twice recently so to me it felt outdated compared to the stuff I heard from western pop artists that also released music at that time.

Yea cookie was definitely had questionable lyrics and like I said I don't want VCHA to have that. My argument about maturity is more so on the production not the visuals or lyrics

I think he should give projects to 2pm, stray kidz , xrdinary heroes and these coming niziu boys.

They had one slated but had problems behind the scenes which delayed their debut (and we still don't know when they coming). The next korean boy group was formed on the SBS survival show "Loud" in 2021 which was a collab with PSY's Pnation as they both were ready to launch their own groups. The Pnation group that debuted ended up being TNX. The last time I heard about JYP's side, one of the members had dropped out, so I assume the boys will be working on their skills while the company tries to find additional members or the project is cancelled completely. No idea, really. On the japanese side of business, NIzi Project Season 2 is currently airing and they will likely be debuting next year.

i doubt jyp know of black swan as black swan isn't that popular especially in korea. but jy park has been trying to get into the us market more than 10 years ago with wonder girls but it failed cause of xenophonia, language barrier and lack of intrest but now he is trying again with american kids of different backgrounds who spreak english perfectly so that it would work out better. that's why the most worried fans were korean ones as they were saying things such as "we get it jy park you want to get into u.s music industry so bad" "not this again, i'm afraid it won't work just like in wonder girls"

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