Chris O’Donnell described his Batman movies as: “The first one felt like I was making a movie, the second one I felt like I was making a toy commercial.”

Tim is my favorite Robin for one simple reason: he chose this. He looked in the mouth of madness, saw people suffering, and jumped right the hell in for no reason other than wanting to help and feeling like he had the power to help.

I personally think the "toy commercial" mentality that pervaded _Batman and Robin_ is what damaged Robin's character the most in that movie. Like, instead of finding a way to organically add Barbara to the Bat-Family, they just have Dick constantly fail and be insufferable and have Babs show him up at all times, because he's the old toy and she's the new toy.

Honestly his Robin is why Batman and Robin was a guilty pleasure for me for a long time I loved his performance

I always felt like Chris O’Donnell was the only actor actually trying in the two films, especially Batman and Robin.

Ironic, he was wearing a red motorcycle helmet a decade before Jason became Redhood

He was my robin on screen and I really liked his portrayal. His batman forever suit was cool too

I can’t believe they got Kevin Conroy, Tara Strong, AND Troy Baker to cameo at the end of the video!! So awesome!! R.I.P Kevin. You’ll always be the definitive Batman for me

I feel like Grayson would be too traumatized to return to his carnie roots. Seeing what he saw changes a person. Grayson became more rebelious when he was becoming Nightwing which I feel like is what Schumacher was trying to capture. I think if we had a 5th film from this era, we would have gotten Nightwing.

And can we please talk about how amazing both of the robin suits from those films were? The first suit from Batman forever was a fantastic and modernized, practical update on the original Robin suit. The suit from Batman Robin was basically Nightwing with a cape. I f****** love this Robin! I think it's pretty impressive that they knocked it out of the ballpark with a suits for this character. And also doing it so early on. The 1990s aren't well-known for fantastic looking superhero suits. But if you ask me, besides small little flourishes like the Arlo go in several different spots on the suit. Probably could have done without it in the middle of the mask in the first one, this suit looks practical enough and well not designed to be used in a modern superhero film from today. And that is amazing for something done through the span of 1995 through 1997. And also, like I said before, for it being the first time this has ever been done in a movie. Before this, the only live-action Robin we hit ever seen was the Adam West Batman show and the serials from the 40s. But I totally agree with what you said about how different the character is from film to film. He looks fantastic. But he had far much more depth and meaning in Batman forever, which is still the most underrated Batman movie of all time. Yes, the studio mandated that it'd be more child-friendly and campy, but it's still a pretty dark and awesome Batman film. And even Robins character reflected that. Batman & Robin 1997 just turned everyone, including Robin into cartoon characters. Although I did find the idea of a rift between Batman and Robin, with Robin wanting more recognition and to step out of Batman Shadow very interesting and it's a shame that we couldn't have seen that played out in a different film. You can say whatever you want about Batman and Robin, but I'll always love that movie. Just because it's so bad that it's good. I don't understand how anyone couldn't be endlessly entertaining when that movie is on. It is literally a live-action cartoon episode. But I'm getting all over the place now. The whole point of this comment was to give props to the costume design from both films. Kudos. And kudos to you as usual for this video, I've always loved your stuff! Besides myself, LOL, I feel that no one understands these characters as well as you do.

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Chris O'Donnell is the most underrated Robin but the only one who played as a live action Robin. There hasn't been a Robin since

Dick being flipped by Barbara is in no way him being beaten and isn't some silly showcase of weakness. Bruce is controlling and overprotective. I think that's the point of this arc. He's pushing Dick away out of his lacking of allowing someone to take their own risks. Dick's not a kid, arguably. I think it's suggested he's in college by this point. And he rebels against Bruce's mindset, this PLUS he's influenced by Ivy's pheromones, so I think you're seeing a limited view of this character. As I think Bruce suggests at the end, Dick is still searching for a new family "You weren't talking about being partners, you were talking about being a family." and Bruce isn't giving that. He's treating him like he's a soldier, not a brother. Batman is in no way a mark to adhere to. He's a broken kid trying to control the pain in his life. Batman & Robin, on it's own, is in no way one of the worse movies ever made.

Chris o'donnell was a Damn Good Robin 💯

I always loved Chris O'Donnell's portrayal of Robin. And just his Robin in general. Didn't really fit much with the comics, but it was kind of its own thing. But it worked. And even when it was bad, for me, it was still good. I love this Robin. Hollywood has seemed to be afraid to do anything with the character since 1997 and I think that's a total shame. It seems that James Gunn's new iteration of Batman will feature and focus heavily on Robin. Literally for the first time since 1997. That really says a lot. Yes, Ben affleck's Batman continuity mentioned a robin, but we never saw him. Except for his burnt up and destroyed suit sitting in the batcave as a memorial. I grew up in the 90s and Chris O'Donnell has always been my Robin. And I'm proud to say that.

I absolutely love this take on Robin. While I prefer his character in Batman Forever, I absolutely love his suit in Batman and Robin. It hurts not seeing it included in the arkham games.

I remember going to see BATMAN FOREVER at the age of 14 and thinking that, wow, this version of Robin is a lot edgier than Burt Ward's or Loren Lester's (Lester having voiced Robin for the early '90s animated series). Even after seeing Burton's films, I didn't think I was quite ready for a "dark" Robin. I remember thinking, "Where's the wisecracking teen I know and love? Why are we getting this rage-filled emo kid?" (Yes, the word "emo" wasn't around then, but that was more or less what I was thinking.) Ironically, however, as I've grown older I've come to appreciate O'Donnell's character arc as one of the best things in the movie, and a welcome antidote to Jim Carrey's Riddler wackiness. I remember reading all the fan media about BATMAN FOREVER at the time, and recall that in one interview Schumacher referred to Dick Grayson as "a gypsy lad." He might well have been referring to the actual Romani background Grayson was given in the '90s comics. In any case, it's obvious that the screenwriters had Grayson's "real" backstory in mind when they had O'Donnell mention "Nightwing" as one of his potential hero names. One of the very best lines in BATMAN FOREVER comes when, having just donned the Robin costume Alfred has made for him, Dick says to Bruce, "I can't promise you I won't kill Harvey." What's not emphasized enough, I believe, is not only that Bruce takes this bit of news very well, but WHY he takes it well. It can't be stressed enough how significant it is that Dick says "Harvey" rather than "Two-Face." Bruce knows upon hearing this that Dick - much to his own reluctance and resistance - has forgiven Dent, and now wants nothing more than to see (legal) justice done. Grayson now understands that refusing to become a killer himself is the best way of mastering Dent. (It's also interesting that, in his own way, Two-Face himself also wants to see justice done, and interprets his near-death at Robin's hands as a potential example of this.) Watching this video, incidentally, has made me aware that we desperately need a Vee Infuso vid on Alicia Silverstone's Batgirl. More to the point, we need a devastatingly mocking takedown of someone we all know is not the "real" Barbara Gordon (okay, "Wilson," but let's not split hairs). Admittedly, the Barbara of the comics is a bit too much of a "Mary Sue" character, so it's always welcome to see an alternative take on her. But I've long suspected that the fourth film could just as well have been titled BATMAN & ROBIN & BUFFY, because the Batgirl of this movie is very similar to the original portrayal of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER's Buffy Summers. Both characters - or versions of characters - are products of the '90s, and to me that's no coincidence. Feminism in the '90s, or pop-culture feminism at least, was a joke: pretty much just a superficial "girl-power" foundation with a heaping helping of "In case you hadn't noticed, I'm a silly girl!" dumped on top. So what we get from Silverstone is a youngster who is highly skilled, but lacking the conviction and discipline needed to be taken seriously. That's been a major problem in Hollywood: it's been capable of giving us young female characters with flaws, but since those flaws are being childish and funny, they are endearing to us, and so they aren't really flaws at all. Say what you will about today's "woke" and "girlboss" heroines, but at least they're presented in a way that allows us to take them seriously.

Regarding Dick's age, I prefer how BTAS did it, having him be a kid when he became an orphan, but doing a time skip until he's in his teens before showing him as Robin.

His dynamic with Bruce is one of the many reasons Batman Forever is my favorite movies.

You know I like the idea of robin starting off around 19-20,being called the boy wonder as a insult and seeing him younger but not by that much react to Bruce’s darkness

I’m pretty sure this isn’t the most popular opinion out there but I think Chris O’Donnell is a good actor doing what he could with what he had which wasn’t a great script. I like to think that in another timeline there exists a versions of these movies where we got the best of the writing and direction and not the toy commercials they were and in turn, we ended up getting a nightwing spinoff where he kills it in the solo role. I also think the suit in Batman and Robin would be really cool if you take the nips off it. It’s obviously designed to be more nightwing-esque and it does it for me.

I've always enjoyed Chris O'Donnell's portrayal especially in Batman Forever, he did a good job showing the pain in his character.

You know I love this movie despite being somewhat of a disappointment but it’s when realization hit me that he’s not even wearing a Robin costume he’s wearing Nightwing’s outfit just with a cape and I don’t know how I fell about it

I like how Robin's second costume is basically a Nightwing costume with a red symbol and a cape.

I really liked O’Donnell’s version. Like this video, I did prefer Forever’s take much better than B&R break down of Robin. I truly would have like to have seen his Dick Grayson with Keaton’s Bruce Wayne and his Batman. It would have seems more like father son. O’Donnell with Kilmer was good, but seemed more like a big brother relationship. Also as a point of reference on Keaton’s would have been Robin. The original actor cast for Robin/Dick Grayson in Batman ‘89 was not Marlin Waynes. It was actor Ricky Addison Reed who was cast as Dick Grayson before the character was removed by Warren Skarren for the revised shooting script. Marlin was not cast until Batman Returns, and also dropped after costume fittings and shooting began. And yes, he did get payed and is still getting residuals from the film.

You’ll definitely have to talk about Brenton Twaites excellent interpretation of Robin & Nightwing, let alone the other 2 actors who did Jason Todd & Tim Drake

I think Robin is absolutely terrible in Batman & Robin but I do like his character arc in Batman Forever. Chris O'Donnell I think is meh in the role but the there are some good stuff with his character. The scene where he vents to Bruce about wanting to kill Two Face for murdering his family stands out.

Chris did a great job 👏🏼

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If I was making a DC cinematic universe, I'd make the starting point for Batman the story of him adopting Dick Grayson. Teaching hin to not let his thirst for revenge consume. To choose a better path and bring the man who killed his parents to justice. With him already being established before the film starts. Then the sequel would take place 5 years later, it would be about the story of Under the Red Hood. In between the films, Dick had left and formed the Teen Titans. Then became Nightwing by the time of the 2nd Batman film.

I actually kinda liked the arc where Stephanie Brown became Robin

It's hard to say Chris is the best Robin, because he's probably the most tolerable live action Dick Grayson to date. I say this because we haven't had the perfect Robin on film yet. Just the least sucky. Chris did grow on me over time, especially in Batman Forever.

There needs to be a robin solo movie. Face it, the dude is too cool and he’s been the coolest lackadaisical sidekick of all time

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Yeah, Chris was a really good Robin sad to see CSI Los Angeles finally end so maybe Chris has time to reprise the role somehow

This version of Robin lives in my 90s dreams

I do like this Version of Robin and an interesting Dynamic that he is Batman’s Past and Batman is Robin’s Future,truly a Underrated Boy Wonder.

Carrie Kelley, Stephanie Brown, and OG Teen Titans cartoon Robin are my favorite Robins, as controversial of takes those first two

I'm a 90s kid so I seen Batman Forever and Batman & Robin in the cinema.

that outro hits different now knowing kevin conroy passed he still in our hearts though

I always saw Chris as Jason Todd to Burt Ward's Dick Grayson

He was a great robin. Suit looked good. An he actually felt like he could kick your ass. Young not too young

0:48 So I was just taking off my roller blades in 1994, when all of a sudden this clip of the new Robin comes breaking live on the news. Naturally, I puncture another pouch of that Capri-Sun, Pacific Cooler, and take that sip through a comically small straw, thinking, "Man... We really are living in the future...!"

Robin is my favourite superhero and Chris O' Donnell is the BEST

Can you make me want to watch those Batman films again I was a kid when I first saw them and that was the last time I saw them.

There aren't many views you share on our shared passions that I don't agree with, Vee. This is yet another video I completely agree with and I'm very glad you made it. I'm fully on board with the DCU and I actually think sometime in the future the Snyderverse will get another chance if the DCU goes as planned as the new definitive timeline because WB will be more willing to restore it once they have a successful universe and fully established universe that won't leave the definitive DC cinematic universe up for debate. I mention the Snyderverse as I enjoyed most of it very much. For now it is the swansong of Snyder's DC characters sharing the screen for a long time surely. But as much as I am in support of Gunn's vision, if he was always gonna use his influence to end a movie that had nothing to do with his Universe then it shouldn't have been a short Clooney Cameo that ended it on a suppossed Joke rather than a timeline where Batfleck has been replaced by his returning predecessor who played a huge and terrific role in the movie as Keaton did. If that was the ending it would feel apt and would also have left potential to return to veteran Keaton Batman at some point. For some reason Gunn wanted Clooney at the end. I could have gotten on board with that if it was more. Just give his Batman and his wonderful Robin a part in the movie instead of the reason he was actually brought back. Imagine something like Nic Cage's Superman but with a bit more screen time. We could even have gotten a look at O'Donnell fighting alongside Clooney's Dark Knight as Nightwing. Whatever the issues of Batman and Robin Chris wears a Robin suit that seems like he's gradually growing into Nightwing. It's too late to hope for him as Nightwing in any way I would think but in a different time for Batman and this Genre he could have made a fantastic Nightwing and I would have adored just a little Screen time of Clooney and O'Donnell as Batman and Nightwing in the Flash. I digress but it's about time WB give the main Bat Family a chance.on the big Screen and Chris was terrific in the role. When thinking of future Robins and hopefully a Nightwing Film at last he really captured what you'd want a young adult Dick Grayson to be and I hope for a new incarnation soon that captures that also

You should do a video on the many Robins of the Titans TV show. Which I've all met as a friend of mine was a 2nd Unit Director for multiple episodes.

Val Kilmer and Chris O’Donnell running out from behind the bat signal will forever be hard as woodpecker lips.

Watching this and kicking myself for not getting that Kevin Conroy bday cameo 🤦🏾‍♂️

Looking at it in hindsight, Schumacher was never the reason why the Burton/Schumacher Batman movies were bad, it was the Warner Bros. and McDonald's merchandise marketing that ruined them.

Your prospective on Batman killing Two-Face for Robin's sake is very interesting.🤔🙂 Because I always saw it as Robin being upset that he wasn't the one to kill him.

Whether or not it was these 2 movies fault. These movies damaged the Robin representation of the character so much that not even Nolan would take a realistic crack of the character. Seriously we had to wait till 2018 to get Robin in live action again. We still haven't had robin in a live action theatrical film yet since 1997 and that is just wrong on so many levels

Dont blame Chris. He did great with what he was given. Heck, there were parts of Batman & Robin where Chris is better than Clooney and Silverstone. As this video perfectly describes, the filmmakers built Robins character a lot better in Batman Forever. They gave him real motivation to become The Boy Wonder. They completely failed to bring out his Boy Scout persona in Batman & Robin. They couldve given us the scene where Batman pushed things too far with a suspect, forcing Robin to rebel and become Nightwing... and Chris wouldve been great

I really wish they could bring back Robin in the Batman movies! I’m sick and tired of Batman being portrayed as a loner and just working by himself the bat family is honestly my favourite and most interesting aspect of Batman lore

13:40 when initially, when I saw it, I thought of greek armor. Or sculptures of michelangelo. It was art 🤌. Codpiece and all. It was a masterpiece. 🔥🔥🔥

He was my one of my favorite figures to play with. He was a good robin

Why would grown ass chris o'donnell need to be adopted by Bruce Wayne? This idea died at conception.

Well said!

Tim Drake has always been my favorite robin. Well-rounded kid, grounded, a good successor.

It's so annoying the DCEU didn't introduce a new Robin or give him his own spin off movie.

Idea, Next video do a bio of Batgirl Barbara Wilson from Batman & Robin.

I'm just surprised getting v infuso videos

I think intentionally this version is an amalgamation of the then current three Robins. Origin and name came from Greyson, attitude and stealing the batmobile was very much reminiscent of Todd and his rescue of Batman from the rubble is directly taken from Drake stealing the Robin suit and saving Batman (and Nightwing ) from the same scenario. It was done very cleverly for the fans and I feel often gets overlooked at what they achieved in the film.

I love his Robin. Love Batman Forever. Only Big screen Robin so far.

Thinking of a younger robin and I thought Wayne from KZfaq show would have been a great Jason Todd

I always looked at him as Jason Todd bc of the second movie as a kid

I'm curious as to how much overlap there would be between a "Worst Robin" video and the Damian Wayne video since, well, you know. Personally I think Damian from the animated movies is particularly insufferable.

They can make a robin movie where he actually deletes people then Batman changes him and they team up for something big

All time favorite 😊

I was only 3 or 4 years old and to me he was Robin. How the hell was I supposed to know he was a teenager or not ?

They were ahead of their time when they merged Robin with Nightwing and made him older to make it work for film just like the mcu merged Bucky with Winter Soldier and made him older to make it work for film

He did great in the first one and the second one was just unfortunate lol. They should have made him into a full fledged Nightwing giving him a chance for his own spin off movie and giving them a reason to accept Batgirl in as Batman’s new sidekick.

“Debi Mazar as Spice.” 😂

Batman Forever was my favorite Batman movie till 2022. You can guess how I feel about Robin. He's literally just as fun as Batman. He's charming, funny, charismatic. Sure old school fans who read comics can whine. I get it. You want characters to stay the same. But take that bias out and you have an amazing Robin

I always thought he was really good in both movies

I still don’t like the fact that after robin has learned his arc where batman taught him that killing is wrong gets quickly undermined when batman kills the man that he previously told robin that killing him won’t change anything and won’t bring his family back

Chris O'Donnell is Robin like Michael Keaton is Batman. I remember being a 6 year old kid when Batman Forever came out and Robin was my favourite character. Before that film, nobody really cared about him.

My thought was that it foreshadows "Spiderman: No Way Home".

I like Chris in Batman Forever but I find him obnoxious in Batman and Robin.

I really feel like Jason Todd fans will take anything and be like "well this character is basically Jason Todd". One of the robins gets mad? Well he's just being Jason Todd. One of the robins tries to have fun? Way to copy Jason Todd. One of the robins doesn't gel with Bruce immediately? Thats Jason Todd! Its a little silly

13:21 honestly I liked both costumes they were awesome 🤩

I hate how Robin has been gone from the movies for so long. Robin is who I related to as a kid loving Batman

13:15 So good it made it's way into the comics.

Chris O'Donnell was Jason. Period. They changed the name to be more recognizable, but until the original Crisis, Jason's backstory was the same as Dick's, except Jason had an older brother. In the comics, I think it was Killer Croc that killed his parents, until he was rewritten as the street kid, when Two-Face killed his father ( -may have that backwards- Checked. That's correct).

Yea when I was a kid I enjoyed his performance. As I got it older I realized these movies were garbage but he’s still pretty cool

Chris O'Donnell was very underrated

Jason stole the tires of the batmobile so I guess you can say they mixed them on that part

Imagine him in the dark knight trilogy

I didn't like Chris O'Donnell as Robin and pretty much 1995 Joseph Levitt-Gordon as the Boy Wonder. What was Schumacher thinking back then?

As far as the characters go in "Batman and Robin", I think the point where they lost me was when Batman cut the power to the "Red Bird" motorcycle right as Dick was about to try that jump. Sure, maybe Bruce was right, and he couldn't make it, but not trusting him and cutting the power also nearly got him killed. That Robin was a whiny nit who complained that Bruce didn't respect him, but pulling crap like that proves he had a reason for the whining. With what you said about O'donnell being more like Jason Todd, my brain is trying to rework his character into a version of Jason Todd, but in the old West/Ward Batman Series. (I've always wondered how Jason, Harley, and Tim would have worked on that show.) As far as Robin in a film, I've always thought it would play out best to portray a young (13 at oldest) Dick Grayson. Make the point that after his parents' murder, Dick has the same drive for justice that Bruce did, but without the resources or maturity. Make the point that Bruce realizes that if he does train Dick then he'll probably get killed fighting crime, but if he doesn't train the kid, then he will *definitely* get himself killed.

Arkham city robin is definitely based on chris o donnel robin

Chris was definitely great I loved this era when the suits where awesome

Aside from the nipples, that Redwing-nightwing style Robin suit is actually pretty cool,

Still my favorite live action Robin and the costume is dope.

Haha totally missed the Nightwing reference as a kid

We need a Batman & Robin Reboot. Imo, Dave Franco would be perfect for either Jason Todd or Tim Drake, but definitely not for Grayson

theres only one maybe two if you count "cop that the director said is robin" oh i guess we're counting titans but i dont count anything from that show

I liked the Jason Todd kid from the Titans show best out of all the live action Robin's.

Now that I think about it, Schumacher's last two Batman movies aren't really about Batman, they're about Robin. Also, the main actors were neither Val Kilmer nor George Clooney, but Chris O'Donnell. So I conclude that the first two Burton Batman films are with Michael Keaton and the other two are Schumacher's with Chris O'Donnell.