VEGAN DIET SCIENCE: Are Eggs Bad? Vegan Bodybuilding? Is Red Meat Bad?

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VEGAN DIET SCIENCE: Are Eggs Bad? Vegan Bodybuilding? Is Red Meat Bad?

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In this video I'm speaking with nutrition researcher and Director of Examine.com, Kamal Patel. We discuss the ethics of veganism, the potential benefits of a vegan diet and its pitfalls. We also cover topics like eggs, red meat, processed meat, omega-3s, the carnivore diet, advice for vegan lifters and much more!
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Preamble/Disclaimers
2:00 Kamal Intro
4:50 Ethics of Eating Meat
8:54 Personal Struggles with Vegetarianism/Veganism
11:08 Future of Veganism and Synthetic Meats
14:30 Are there health benefits to going vegan? Gut health, heart heart, joint pain, etc
31:57 On balance, is veganism better for digestive health? (Poop discussion)
35:08 Carnivore diet discussion
38:34 Is meat bad? Processed meat? And red meat?
51:18 Why borrow nutrition advice from our ancestors?
57:28 Eggs discussion/ Vegan Gains discussion (cholesterol, heart disease, saturated fat)
1:11:01 Dietary cholesterol vs saturated fat for heart heart
1:14:37 Vegan nutrient deficiencies, supplementation and bodybuilding (omega 3, zinc, iron, B12, protein, etc)
1:34:44 Takeaway advice + elimination diet discussion
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About me: I'm a Canadian natural pro bodybuilder and internationally-qualified powerlifter with a BSc in biochemistry/chemistry and a passion for science. I've been training for 12 years drug-free. I'm 5'5 and fluctuate between 160 lbs (lean) and 180 lbs (bulked).
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@JeffNippard 6 жыл бұрын

Her everyone! As usual I've got timestamps in the description box if you want to jump around. For anyone who'd like to skip directly to the discussion about eggs and the Vegan Gains criticism, you can jump to here: 57:20 Also don't forget you can listen to this on The Jeff Nippard Podcast, wherever you listen to podcasts. And here are the rest of the timestamps. Enjoy! 0:00 Preamble/Disclaimers 2:00 Kamal Intro 4:50 Ethics of Eating Meat 8:54 Personal Struggles with Vegetarianism/Veganism 11:08 Future of Veganism and Synthetic Meats 14:30 Are there health benefits to going vegan? Gut health, heart heart, joint pain, etc 31:57 On balance, is veganism better for digestive health? (Poop discussion) 35:08 Carnivore diet discussion 38:34 Is meat bad? Processed meat? And red meat? 51:18 Why borrow nutrition advice from our ancestors? 57:20 Eggs discussion/ Vegan Gains discussion (cholesterol, heart disease, saturated fat) 1:11:01 Dietary cholesterol vs saturated fat for heart heart 1:14:37 Vegan nutrient deficiencies, supplementation and bodybuilding (omega 3, zinc, iron, B12, protein, etc) 1:34:44 Takeaway advice + elimination diet discussion

@foxhawk4177 6 жыл бұрын

Jeff Nippard 👍🌱💪

@eatingcontestchamp20 6 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video about the health implications of dairy? I'm lactose intolerant and some of my friends swear that whey gives them acne.

@HugMyCactus 6 жыл бұрын

Jeff Nippard you can get b12 from fortified almond milk. And alovera juice. Which you make into a smoothie. You can get all nutrients vegan

@mikesveganlife4359 6 жыл бұрын

In general the vegan argument for health isn't a powerful one precicely because genetics and your lifestlye and where you live can play such a huge part of longevity and disability that there will always be those who are non-vegan but essentially healthy as well. Yet while that argument isn't powerful, the argument is still compelling. As outside of genetic issues with plant foods, there is little to no negative impact from cutting out meat and eating only plant. Yet there are indications of positive health effects of a well planned whole food plant diet. Add to that the ethical side of things, then why not just stop eating animal products. Is pretty damn easy and only getting easier every day. Regarding the egg talk, I just read the study that was a controlled randomized one for eggs and it had the same problem as many other similar studies. It is testing cholesterol impact on people who already have cholesterol issues. A high number of participants were taking statins during the study. We already know there is an upper limit to our bodies holding onto cholesterol. We shouldn't be trying to hit that limit as we know that total cholesterol under 160 is needed, and ldl below 60. Sure continue to eat your eggs, but enjoy those statins and their side effects as well. academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/101/4/705/4564505 As to the issue with biomarkers showing issues but not seeing it in the population, we have to consider the health of the population. for example if we die or end up having such bad health that we have to take drugs to fix things, then it's hard to see in the population the problem with saturated fat because the population is already so sick that it really doesn't matter. As far as claim that cholesterol isn't just randomly there is correct. it's there because our body's make the cholesterol. We don't need to consume it. We make it, and we make just as much as we need. Some people do have genetic issues that cause their body to not moderate cholesterol generation properly and these are people that have high cholesterol, even when not eating any dietary cholesterol.

@ChristianSuarez-gz1ig 6 жыл бұрын

Jeff Nippard you're the best. I love your work!

@cOzeify 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff! Derek from Simnett Nutrition would be a great lad to talk with about veganism! He's super upbeat and fun guy.

@beatbodytraining121 6 жыл бұрын

cOzeify fully agree.

@matthewd.6467 6 жыл бұрын

Oh man Simnett and Nippard would be a dream duo to watch

@falsul96 6 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!!

@tiocsti 6 жыл бұрын

Maybe someone like Jack Norris or Ginny Messina would be better. They are both vegan RDs and try to produce content focused on keeping vegans healthy (veganhealth.org).

@FreestylerNumber7 6 жыл бұрын

Or Jon Venus. I think they are both sponsored by Rise

@foreversonia1 6 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a discussion between you and Nimai Delgado.

@Rafaelpotosino1 6 жыл бұрын

Nimai’s on a fuckton of steroids tho, nothing wrong with that I use them myself but he’s creating false expectations for people by claiming to be natural to

@jeffbro1021 6 жыл бұрын

Kali Muscle AKA Chuck Basher G4P on a dayleee lol a fuckton. Chill bro he’s probably low dose. Definitely not a fuckton.

@TheFelipe10848 6 жыл бұрын

T T I am a mechanical engineering student (Nimai studied mechanical engineering too) and trust me, some engineers are fucking stupid. He does not have any profound knowledge of the human body just because he is an engineer. He does seem smart though, he bullshits people left and right and they believe him (even if you like him I hope you don't believe everything he says). He is not natty.

@tut8banana 6 жыл бұрын

lol this fake vegan on steroids

@jasongenova1741 4 жыл бұрын

@@Rafaelpotosino1 your on a fuck ton of steroids and look like shit tho

@mayalucia5915 6 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely not a vegan, but people that say you can't build muscle when vegan have no knowledge of veganism/nutrition. Excuses excuses.

@chillaxer8273 6 жыл бұрын

Maya Lucia yes

@MrCharly780 6 жыл бұрын

True, which is as dumb as those vegans that say that eating vegan is better for building muscle.

@SHIFTKICK 6 жыл бұрын

As someone who's been a meat eater and vegan, I can say it's just as easy when vegan. I think it's far more silly when everyone asks me "Do you get enough protein??? There's no way!" It's so damn easy lol

@lil_sumpinsi9961 6 жыл бұрын

SHIFTKICK well how much do you weigh man becsuse honestly if you are not too heavy it’s probably be easier but the more muscle and weight you carry the harder it is to get that protein . Especially while cutting

@mayalucia5915 6 жыл бұрын

SHIFTKICK bahahhaha same, I'm not vegan but my mum is and I've seen first hand how many non-meat options there are that are high in protein

@danifakelastname9652 6 жыл бұрын

I'm so confused. I watched the whole video, and I got the message that if you don't have digestive issues on a vegan diet, then a vegan diet is a healthy option. The comments section reads like veganism has been blasted in the video. It seemed like a level-headed discussion to me.

@davefx7949 4 жыл бұрын

He seemed slightly biased against the vegan diet. There's a part where he mentions why he isn't vegan. He said something along the lines of he doesn't have the excuse that he's trying to be a bodybuilder. Hinting slightly at it being hard to obtain protein as a vegan. Which is a massive myth. I kind of clicked at that moment that this guy leans more on the side of meat. Not to any extreme though.

@JaseWoody 4 жыл бұрын

@@davefx7949 you think stating that it's harder to get protein from a vegan diet is a myth? lmfao you know absolutely nothing if you think that's a myth lmao, not only is it much harder, the protein you get from plant-based foods have much less leucine in the protein, meaning you need even more.. idiot

@Dominik.S. 4 жыл бұрын

@@JaseWoody Soy, white beans, lentils and even peas contain more leucine per 100g than any kind of meat. It also isn't harder to get protein from a vegan or vegetarian diet if you know what you are doing. It's not surprising that someone who never thought about where to get protein from, if his usual protein sources were gone doesn't know it, but that doesn't make it harder. He just doesn't know it.

@bushmaster6894 4 жыл бұрын

"The pattern of amino acids in an animal-based protein is similar to that of human cells, meaning they have a higher biological value than those from plant sources." Yep. Looks more difficulty, if only slightly so.

@flabio7074 4 жыл бұрын

Bushmaster 6 the “protein quality” myth has been disproven. If you’re getting protein between 1.6-2-2 g/kg then it really doesn’t matter where it comes from. I get more protein now on a vegan diet than I did with meat, and my body comp is way better too.

@dustman96 6 жыл бұрын

A vegan diet is not more expensive. That is a preposterous statement.

@Stalast. 6 жыл бұрын

If you actually listen to the full segment of the video, he doesn't say that

@lordinfamous666 6 жыл бұрын

it can be if you're a super strict weightlifter or competitive bodybuilder due to higher protein requirements

@a.i.l1074 6 жыл бұрын

Aubert, soy is cheaper than it's dairy and meat equivalents per gram of protein, and the cheapest protein I've found in the supermarket is lentils. My protein powder also costs a bit less than the whey this website sells, although I don't have enough info here as I'm highly allergic to milk proteins so never used it even before I went vegan 3 years ago. I eat about 3000-3500kcal and 120-150g protein per day and I spend around 10% less on food than I did as an omnivore

@erikrobinson3133 6 жыл бұрын

Aubert L that's actually false watch vegan hustle

@erikrobinson3133 6 жыл бұрын

and from personal experience have made pretty good gains on a vegan diet and I have saved way more going vegan then being a meat eater

@peaceuvmind 3 жыл бұрын

It’s nice to hear someone who is so intelligent use the term “tummy issues” instead of “gastrointestinal disturbances.” I think it shows that he has a humble heart.

@RafaelPinto10 6 жыл бұрын

You should have put the baseline cholesterol levels of that study on screen.... Never forget that the "normal" cholesterol levels is actually really high, because most people have high cholesterol. Optimal LDL levels are between 50-70mg/dl and optimal total cholesterol is below 150mg/dl, that's found to be the "bulletproof" levels for heart disease...So, will eating cholesterol raise cholesterol? It depends on the baseline level. If your cholesterol is already high, the receptors are already saturated, if not, it will raise your cholesterol...you all need to read Dr.Caldwell Esselstyn trial studies where he reversed heart disease by cutting cholesterol and saturated fat...that's the only diet, ever, to been proven to reverse heart disease. The evidence is pretty clear on that, show me a non-industry funded study, with people that start with a LDL of 50-70mg/dl that is not raised by eating cholesterol and I'll consider. Also, if you talk about eggs you need to talk about choline and TMAO that will be produced in our intestines. TMAO is linked to heart disease as well. Lastly, runny eggs? Don't mess with that shit, if your're still eating eggs, boil them well. The institute of medicine recommends 0 cholesterol per day! 0!!! www.onlinejacc.org/content/43/11/2142 Now for some anecdotal evidence, my case: I was 17 years old or something, on a Bodybuilding diet with 400-500grs of meat a day plus 2 eggs. Worked out 9 times a week, at least two cardio sessions, didn't eat processed food, and it was all "lean meats", had a very healthy weight and was pretty shredded, ate veggies with every meal, 3-5fruits a day still had a total cholesterol of 156mg/dl. Which is above the limit Then I went whole foods plant based,(did eat a little more veggies and fruits) but stopped all cholesterol containing foods and my total cholesterol drop to around 100mg/dl with LDL being 74mg)dl...so yeah, eating cholesterol raises your cholesterol

@GabrielMartinsFitness 6 жыл бұрын

Every serious health organization doesn't include eggs, wonder why people still discuss this? hehehe honestly, I don't care about the absolute truth just enough but one thing I know for sure is I had high cholesterol before I went vegan and had "the best results seen on the year" by the doctor after, so that's enough for me!!

@jemocrazy55 6 жыл бұрын

Rafael Pinto hit them up with the facts my dude.

@RafaelPinto10 6 жыл бұрын

Gabriel Martins that's true. Every Health organization is against cholesterol. We can still discuss it, but that just means the evidence is overwhelming...

@kieran4003 6 жыл бұрын

Every Health organization...that suits your agenda? If i look at various pyramids of various organization i see eggs and meat somehwere in larger or smaller amounts..when is an organization neutral and legitimate? Only when it advocates a vegan diet ?

@kieran4003 6 жыл бұрын

What is the legitimate definition of "normal" baseline cholesterol? Are these the levels babies have when they are born? Who decides that 50-70 is normal and ideal for health? If only vegans reach these levels maybe its because they just stay away from junk and overeating in general?

@Caroline-iw6nw 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff, thank you so much for this podcast, I found it really interesting as it is not pro vegan but explains the pros and cons (health-wise) of the diet. I am vegan and I have read a lot of books written by plant based doctors. These books are great, don't get me wrong, and they help me to eat as healthy as possible. However I'm glad you didn't interview a plant-based doctor as I feel like they are stuck on one side of the argument. The ethics and the environment issues brought me to the vegan diet so I could never go back to eating animal products, but an open conversation on the subject of health on a plant based diet is always great to hear. So anyways, thank you, that was great. (I'm glad you care about ethics too.)

@ManlyServant 2 жыл бұрын

oh okay... now stop talking and tell me your ex-vegan testimony ;)

@taylorm3195 2 жыл бұрын

@@ManlyServant vegan for 6 years. Never felt better. Dont plan on ever reverting

@JustinMorgan105kg 6 жыл бұрын

I listened to this on ITunes. I’m a vegan for 7 years, and also a registered dietitian. This is very much in line with what I usually recommend to patients. Basically follow a Whole Foods plant based diet, and if they eat meat then to make it more of a side item, but emphasize plant foods.

@EmilEngholmSrensen 2 жыл бұрын

Im not a RD, but CNC, but i would not recommend to leave out animal-protein, or make it a "side item", people should eat what they want, that helps them keep their weight, and getting their protein, and micro-nutrients. And yes, i have been plant-based 2 years myself - but i would always weight science over bias.

@JustinMorgan105kg 2 жыл бұрын

@@EmilEngholmSrensen that makes sense because nurses in general give the most cringe advice possible. if you’re giving that advice to Americans then you are dumb as hell because this is the fattest most obese country in the world. Telling the country that produces my 600 pound life to eat whatever they want is like offering crack to a drug addict. Get out of here with that weak dumb ass shit. Whoever you told that to ought to sue your ass for impersonating a nutrition professional.

@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt 2 жыл бұрын

Bro you don’t know your face from ass!

@rizzwan-42069 Жыл бұрын

@@EmilEngholmSrensen True weigh science over bias. And it's quite funny because my opinion in contrast to the op is "eat unprocessed animal products with plants being a side tool" but that's my bias the truth can be something else and it is our job to find it.

@owenteamtraceur 23 күн бұрын

@@EmilEngholmSrensenyou’re plant based two years but wouldn’t recommend people leave out meat from their diet 😂

@SHIFTKICK 6 жыл бұрын

The ONLY reason people eat meat is because it tastes good. We do not need meat to be healthy/muscular, especially not the amount that is consumed in the US. Try discovering other foods that taste good, and cut back on the meat consumption. If you eat meat once a week, you are doing the world a huge favor and you will also start appreciating/enjoying the meat you do eat more.

@Idiotsincarshere 6 жыл бұрын

There's more than just taste. I began eating a LOT more meat when I started lifting.. Then even more meat (lean especially) when I tracked my macros. There's very few vegan options that pack the same protein punch in as few calories as chicken, turkey, or fish!

@SheenaT73 6 жыл бұрын

Why are vegans not knowledgeable about why we eat meat? Our brains would still be tiny if didn’t starting cooking and eating meat.

@fatmat6481 6 жыл бұрын

I actually dislike the taste of most meats, I only eat it because my apetite is pretty small so it makes it more comfortable to get protein in

@davidwilliams9386 6 жыл бұрын

@@SheenaT73 if thats true why dont lions and other carnivores drive cars bruh? wouldnt their brains be massive from alllll that magical brain growth rotting corpse? and its actually proven to be cooled starches that contributed MOST to our brain development, straight from harvard

@SuperFlawless2010 6 жыл бұрын

not to mention Omega-3s especially appropriate EPA/DHA ratio which Vegans never talk about.

@Belle77ify 6 жыл бұрын

Nimai Delgado, Jon Venus and Naturally Stephanie are great examples of vegan bodybuilders who thrive on whole foods plant based diets. Protein is really not an issue for vegans. The standard north american diet consumes too much protein, much more than we need. Even for bodybuilding, it's easy to get more than enough protein on a vegan diet

@saturn6020 6 жыл бұрын

Not sure about Venus, he doesn't look natural. If someone juices and is vegan, they're not a good rep for veganism because their gains are the results of assistance in addition to plants.

@colacp 6 жыл бұрын

VeganHamstress46 all "vegan" body builders are on roids. And they also lie about their diets.

@DoodlesMcpooh 6 жыл бұрын

They all juice no matter what they eat.

@LegacysPlays 6 жыл бұрын

@@colacp either way you still need that protein to build the muscle in the first place.

@dan_can_swim 4 жыл бұрын

The last line was from a documentary on NetFlix. If you take your information from Netflix, that says a lot of you. Try and read about "vegan food companies", maybe you will understand how things work about consumerism.

@onlyrjCG 6 жыл бұрын

Plant based for a year now and have never felt more stronger and healthier in my life.

@j.dariorodriguez7173 3 жыл бұрын

You eat eggs? Fish?

@menelikm9779 3 жыл бұрын

@@j.dariorodriguez7173 what do you think "plant based" means dipshit?

@chunkysnail9351 3 жыл бұрын

@@menelikm9779 woah calm down

@menelikm9779 3 жыл бұрын

@5th dimension personally I've been vegan for 3 years and feel great. Did a blood test in january and my iron & b12 levels were extremely good, very low cholesterol, etc.

@poerava 3 жыл бұрын

Give it time. You’ll start feeling s**t soon. Veganism is a very nutrient and vitamin deficient diet. There is not one peer reviewed, double blind clinical trial that shows grass fed red meat is harmful for you. Not one. Most propaganda that drives the employees of dietary recommendations and standards are based on poorly designed epidemiological studies (basically surveys) which don’t differentiate between cured meat, charred meat, grass fed meat and other dietary habits.

@medved1990 6 жыл бұрын

You better talk to Mic the vegan, dude is really informative and educated, with lots of proofs and studies

@destro1989 6 жыл бұрын

medved1990 cherry picked.

@georgeyazbeck9157 4 жыл бұрын

He’s the most unhealthy looking dude

@kiva4311 3 жыл бұрын

Are you serious? He looks hot

@ColeHastings 6 жыл бұрын

Been vegan for a year now after realizing what meat and dairy was doing to my health. Also wanted to see how it would affect my lifting. One year later, I'm happier, more energetic, and have a LOT more muscle mass. Do I think everyone will feel this way after transitioning? I'm not really sure, but you have to know what to eat and what to supplement in order to make it perfect like any diet. The vegan gains are real 💪🏼🌱

@themilitantvegan2515 6 жыл бұрын

Veganism is the future, next step in human evolution. How animals are raised is not the problem. Taking a life when there is no need is the problem

@jeimuaythai 6 жыл бұрын

Peter.plantfueled. Lima so when did you realize you were a little bitch?

@yungjaq1779 6 жыл бұрын

Jared 11B not wanting to kill innocent defenseless beings for an unjustifiable reason = being a little bitch ... Ok

@geneharrogate6911 6 жыл бұрын

Seems you need evolution 101.

@NetiNeti-gm5bz 6 жыл бұрын

Veganism is a karmic free diet

@geneharrogate6911 6 жыл бұрын

@BF TE Those animals we raised for food would never have lived in the first place. Seeing them never born is no better than eating them. Feed that factoid into your karmic woo machine..

@maggiedolan7576 6 жыл бұрын

Amazing content!!! I have been vegan now for two years and have been bodybuilding for about a year and a half, so you can imagine how excited I was when I heard you would be making this video. I have gained quite a bit of muscle mass and don't suffer from digestive issues eating this way, but I agree with the overall statement that everyone's diet is unique to themselves and that self-experimentation is key. Keep up the great work ^_^

@sabrinakurosawa5516 3 жыл бұрын

It's so refreshing to see a friendly open minded vegan thank you! I grew up vegetarian and was bullied by meat eaters even though I did not judge them Now I eat meat (for my own health reasons I did not do well on the vegetarian diet that was forced upon me for ethics over health) and now I get bullied by trendy vegans who ate meat when it wasn't popular to be vegan I don't know why people feel the need to bully others over their diet We are all unique and need to take care of ourselves in the way that's best for us

@maggiedolan7576 3 жыл бұрын

@@sabrinakurosawa5516 totally agree! At the end of the day knowledge is power and I just encourage everybody to do their own research and understand where their food and other resources come from. Of course I'm always happy to discuss veganism with individuals who actively want to learn more about it, but people need to reach their own conclusions about what is optimal! It is not okay that you were bullied

@mertcanozbek1975 3 жыл бұрын

@@sabrinakurosawa5516 Vegan/plant-based are two different things. Veganism is to protect animals from suffering and exploitation while plant-based is merely a diet choice. That's why so many activists are considered vegan and try to lessen the consumption of meat in every shape or form.

@sabrinakurosawa5516 3 жыл бұрын

@@mertcanozbek1975 good for you if it works for you do you I didn't find it was terribly relevant to what we were talking about though

@justroman606 6 жыл бұрын

I always quote Paracelsus who said it already over 500 years ago: "Solely the dose determines that a thing is not a poison.". As long as you don't have a special disease, I would say you can rely on that quote.

@jodrew1845 6 жыл бұрын

What an amazing conversation. Please speak with this man more often as there was so much detail to absorb.

@threlkeld1 6 жыл бұрын

This was extremely insightful, I figured it might be a little boring but it wasn’t at all! I really enjoyed this one guys.

@vetteluvnh 6 жыл бұрын

One of the most comprehensive & intellectually honest discussions I've ever seen on this topic. Will take me several views to digest -no pun intended- all this information.

@menelikm9779 3 жыл бұрын

*intellectually dishonest

@LazyEinstein 3 жыл бұрын

@@menelikm9779 explain or GTFO

@KamalPatel 6 жыл бұрын

Hey all, Kamal here. Thought I'd address a couple points that came up in the comments: I didn't get into it in the video, but I have a genetic condition called Ehlers-Danlos sydrome. This causes me, among other things, extensive joint pain and subluxation (faulty collagen production in joint connective tissue) and gut dysfunction (mast cell overactivation in gut mucusa, impaired gut motility, etc). That and a variety of failed joint surgeries is the reason my wanna-be powerlifter days ended a decade ago (although my total never went above 1100 or so). There are literally tens of thousands of studies on different plant and animal components, and there is no easy conclusion that summarizes them. So there's no one-size-fits-all panacea, and that's why a wide variety of pros and cons come up. I fully appreciate the results of patients who've seen success on vegan diets for their conditions, and of those who've seen success on other diets (Mediterranean, keto, what have you). But everyone's different, due to epigenetics / gut microbial differences / etc.

@MrJ13R 6 жыл бұрын

Kamal, forgive me but I do not know anything about your condition but I developed reactive arthritis after steroid injections after a car shun. Reactive arthritis is an auto immune disorder so there may be a link here as you mentioned the gut. Most diseases start in the gut and as the 2nd brain controlling many body mechanisms it's important to tackle your gut. Myself I feel like I produce no lubrication to my joints with synovial fluid should my immune system be low due to lack of sleep ect. I take selenium solution by allergy research group and a zinc supplement. I avoid gluten in the form of bread but not sure if that makes a difference but people who take glucosamine do so because it makes there joints feel better because the type of sugar in glucosamine gets eaten by the pectin / gluten hence some people feel the benefits. Hope this is of some help. (Will watch the vid later)

@KamalPatel 6 жыл бұрын

Indeed, reactive arthritis is one of the most gut-linked arthropathies. Recent evidence has linked common food-poisoning bacteria to it, include the strain of E coli involved in the 2018 romaine lettuce outbreak. Cross-reactivity with unsuspected food antigens is also common, hence why elimination diets can sometimes work wonders. Good luck to you!

@colerobbins124 6 жыл бұрын

Sorry that you had to give up your powerlifting career.

@MrJ13R 6 жыл бұрын

Kamal Patel Thanks for the info!

@77tjw 6 жыл бұрын

What do you think of as vegan protein sources and why do you think you need them to thrive? I'm guessing you're thinking things like beans peas lentils etc. Well, bananas are a vegan protein source, potatoes are a vegan protein source, spinach is a vegan protein source, so is rice and so are oranges . You don't need concentrated protein. The human body needs very little protein.

@a.i.l1074 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Jeff, I'm not interested in critiquing the video as multiple of my other plant-based bros are doing it below, but it could be interesting if you did a short-form video on plant proteins. Remember it's not only vegans who need these, for example I've always used rice and pea proteins (before I went vegan) as I have a pretty severe reaction to whey, and among your non-white fans up to 90% of Asians would have the same troubles. So even if you decide that milk proteins are just better for yourself, they may not be for a lot of individuals, perhaps even the majority of the world (based on rates of milk intolerance in Africa and Asia) Thanks for bringing these topics to a new audience regardless :)

@everett8603 6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved this conversation, I've been rocking the vegan diet for 2 years now and am planning to get bloodwork done very shortly when I have my full physical to see what kind of things i'm low on. But currently, I'm up 25 pounds (5'10, 160lbs, now at 185lbs) from where I started, I switched cold turkey, and immediately started full body barbell training. My lifts right now Front squat- 225lbsx5, OHP- 145lbs, Bench Press- 225lbs, Ring Dips- 110lbs, Pullups- 60lbsx5, Deadlifts- 345lbs. I can definitely attest to the digestive struggles, there's some things like oats that I just can't eat in the amounts that I was. A lot of trial and error, but it's working for me!

@dustman96 6 жыл бұрын

Just saying, you are still killing something against it's will whether it was raised in a pasture or not.

@hazey5736 6 жыл бұрын

+dust man Animals don't have a will. What are you on about. Don't apply human cognition to animals that don't have that cognition.

@JordanDinstrumentals 6 жыл бұрын

@@hazey5736 so trying to move out the way, cry or defend themselves when being attacked/killed isn't a will to live?

@XxFashionJunkiexX 6 жыл бұрын

Correct.

@DevinAK49 6 жыл бұрын

Will?

@jamie5mauser 6 жыл бұрын

That's the food chain. Omnivores are supposed to eat other animals

@joeyharshaw3874 6 жыл бұрын

I eat a pretty balanced diet, leaning more towards Keto, but I do enjoy lentils. legumes. I honestly am not sure of this conversation... I think the scientific literature is pretty clear on eating mostly plants and less meat (especially processed meats). Anyway, obviously no links to studies provided. I am pretty disappointed that you picked this person for the conversation. Dr. Gregor would have been much better (nutritionalfacts.org).

@Idiotsincarshere 6 жыл бұрын

While Dr. Greger means well, he makes wild statements that aren't true or accurate, that reduce his credibility with me. "mad cow is the Black Plague of the 21st century" - meanwhile it's extremely rare.. and he claimed that a single meal rich in animal products can "cripple" one's arteries.. completely false.

@joeyharshaw3874 6 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. I could say the same for this very video though. If you listen to them, they are jumping around to specific issues without talking about the whole picture. It sounds like a cherry-picked conversation. Non-conclusive conversation. We need to drive home a point. I love Jeff, but he is very clearly avoiding taking sides with anyone, and instead, trying to please the masses. And that is apparent in who he picked to interview here. Instead of picking someone with a stronger stance on veganism which could have been more interesting.

@joeyharshaw3874 6 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree. I am not in Ketosis :)

@joeyharshaw3874 6 жыл бұрын

I should have said low carb! Sorry

@NikoxD93 6 жыл бұрын

You need to listen to different point of views, nutritionfacts is vegan propaganda. Not a good source of nutritional information at all.

@TheBirdyyeses 6 жыл бұрын

Quinoa is high in BCAAs, (and close to 100% bioavailable) but eat tofu and beans and you’re cool. You don’t need to multiply it protein by 2 lol. Soy is 95% bioavailable. Beans are about 75% and high in protein.

@RAWTEN 6 жыл бұрын

That shit is gross tho.

@colacp 6 жыл бұрын

The DJ tofu is disgusting

@Saltbreather 5 жыл бұрын

None of it is bioavailable without animal fat in the gut. You cannot absorb nutrients without fats. Grass fed beef, thru the process of digestion within multiple stomachs and regurgitation, has a very high CLA content and has a very good Omega-6 to Omega-3 ratio, unlike chicken.

@nameless.greyceo 3 жыл бұрын

Aren't beans high In estrogen though?

@lucajramirezb 10 күн бұрын

@@Saltbreather animal fats and fats arent the same thing, not all nutrients are fat soluble

@Shaynaynay101 6 жыл бұрын

The environmental effects of certain animal products is what's most important to me

@johannessonnenblume8464 6 жыл бұрын

Yeah same goes for me. Tbh i don't care too too much about animals. I care a lot more about us humans and our environment.

@FOURTEEFIVE 6 жыл бұрын

Mono crops are just as bad and destroy the land

@jeffbro1021 6 жыл бұрын

FOURTEEFIVE definitely bad but not as same as animal agriculture. Remember animals have to eat a fuck load of plants/grains and water so they use up more resources for very little meat and use up a lot of land if organic grass fed but if factory farmed it would be better for the environment overall but still bad. What about all the waste from the animals you know where that goes right? And on top of it all the transportation used. And more. Plus when you pick an apple it grows again. When you take anything from the animal that’s it. The animal is dead

@Frodoswaggns 6 жыл бұрын

FOURTEEFIVE up to 50% of the US in land (imported food included) is used for animal agriculture, almost 95% of soy is used for feeding animal agriculture. Think about how much soy and tofu are out there and that is less than 5% of what we feed the animals.

@lewis5079 6 жыл бұрын

You mean all

@raduantoniu 6 жыл бұрын

"What proponents of a vegan diet will often do is recognize these good, sound ethical arguments and then conflate them with health arguments as well." That's so true! I noticed some go even further and claim a vegan diet is superior in every way to an omnivore diet. The truth may very well be that a healthy diet which includes some animal products is superior for health. Not to mention it's far more convenient (especially for muscle building purposes) and tastier. From my point of view, the argument for being vegan is purely ethical. Let's assume research proves without a shadow of a doubt that an omnivore diet is superior for human health, muscle growth, and longevity. Then we would all have to face a hard question: "Is slightly improved human health and convenience worth the suffering of billions of animals, mass extinction of wild life, accelerated climate change, 30% of the planets ice-free surface*, soil degradation, eutrophication of water bodies, and lots of wasted energy**?" I personally answered no. That's why I've given up on animal products a few months ago. But I recognize it's a sacrifice. It's far more difficult today to get enough protein, I have to supplement more than before, I spent more time cooking and cleaning (which sucks), and when I go out to eat I barely have anything to order. Yet, it's worth it. To use an analogy, research could very well prove that slavery is superior for growing the economy and building a prosperous society. But we all recognize the price is too high and are appalled by the idea. Perhaps one day we'll feel the same way about the animal industry. Great podcast Jeff! Thanks for getting Kamal on. * we use 30% of the planet's ice-free surface for grazing animals and growing their feed. That's the area of North and South America combined! And this is only with the rich countries consuming lots of animal products. To put that into perspective, if the cats and dogs in the United States formed their own country it would rank 5th in global meat consumption. ** To produce meat and eggs we must feed animals 3-25 times more food energy and protein than we get out of them. We now grow more crops to feed animals than to feed humans. So if we reduced our consumption of animal products, we would easily have enough plant food to solve world hunger.

@elguitarTom 6 жыл бұрын

The China Study with their 100 top nutrition experts conducting 800 tests says you are wrong. Just shut up

@gingfreecss3467 6 жыл бұрын

elguitarTom lmao why is your comment liked by 2 people. Show evidence for your claim that hes wrong.

@crocfixio 6 жыл бұрын

The china study is a load of shit..too much cherry picked data ! in other words the book was written by a vegan with the ethical passion towards animals.

@MindVersusMisery 6 жыл бұрын

crocfixio: T Colin Campbell, who conducted the China Study, was not, and is not vegan. He grew up on a dairy farm and would probably have benefitted financially from supporting dairy, as his family were in this business. Despite his background he DISCOVERED that people in China that ate the most animal protein (especially casein) had significantly higher rates of cancer. Him doing this kind of research was because of his scientific curiosity, not bias. His scientific conclusion made him become PLANT BASED with regards to diet, not in any other way or not with regards to animal ethics. And, may I add, one of his experiments involved animal testing on rats to test whether or not casein impacted tumor growth (with cancer cells that his team injected into the rats). Thus this guy was not vegan. And he certainly did not have a vegan agenda in any way, shape or form.

@pianorikardhallberg9162 6 жыл бұрын

Radu Antoniu It's not just ethical, IT IS for your health. Any and all meat and dairy contribute to CVD and other heart diseases, due to their chemical content(cholesterol being a huge factor here). Multiple studies have proven that Vegan Diet is superior to diets that include animal products. Not just that, but a Vegan gluten-free Diet can actually reverse the placks that form in your arteries. Eating animal products, is bad for your health, period. The arguments of "convenience" and "taste" are not objectively valid in a discussion about X diet being better than Y.

@microtubulina7266 6 жыл бұрын

I Love Veganism!

@Idiotsincarshere 6 жыл бұрын

I love laughing at people boasting about their own diet when nobody actually cares!

@davidwilliams9386 6 жыл бұрын

@@Idiotsincarshere i care bruh so your statement is poopy thrown in the toilet but thanks for comin out it's been great to have ya!!

@Idiotsincarshere 6 жыл бұрын

bEegIn ThE VEeGaN nobody important* cares. you're like 13 with your NaMe LiKe ThIs

@davidwilliams9386 6 жыл бұрын

@@Idiotsincarshere ohhhh snaaap sick buuurn!!!! you roasted me son!!!! ROOOOASSTEDDD

@SHIFTKICK 6 жыл бұрын

Ah, the Intelligent Investor at it again. You must be very intelligent, based on the fact that you included that word in your username!

@daniwalker9616 6 жыл бұрын

50 seconds in so excited for this info and discussion 🙆🏽‍♀️

@CoachHeyward 6 жыл бұрын

39:59 explanation about healthy nitrates from plants. Love it!

@ALF1996xx 6 жыл бұрын

Wild caught fish is terrible for the environment.

@adammiller1718 6 жыл бұрын

ALF96 but oh it’s so YUMMY TASTY BITCH! And it’s healthy for ME. How the fuck is it terrible? Shut the fuck up, trying to prove your stupid ridiculous agenda

@RaphyJmusic 6 жыл бұрын

Explain the environment claim?

@adammiller1718 6 жыл бұрын

brentprodz yes I am the one who hasn’t had a real father to teach him real life values. Instead your mama fed you compassion soup. Good luck with life you will need it

@Idiotsincarshere 6 жыл бұрын

wild caught fish is terrible for the environment, yet man has done it for over 42,000 years with nearly zero impact to the environment, and millions of years by other animals. haha

@ALF1996xx 6 жыл бұрын

Damn people are getting nasty. I was just referring to bycatch which combined with pollution, overfishing etc could collapse the oceans fish stock.

@jamesp7935 6 жыл бұрын

Can’t justify eating meat from a moral standpoint but great video!

@AmabossReally 6 жыл бұрын

Matt glight Hey, just wanted to know why do you think it's morally incorrect to eat meat? :)

@TommyGun8142 6 жыл бұрын

KingDavidusLongScrotum IV Probably because it harms animals unnecessarily.

@TayLybb 6 жыл бұрын

But murdering plants is okay? For shame

@user-xt8xl7nr7h 6 жыл бұрын

Its delicious and it's useful. Justified

@AmabossReally 6 жыл бұрын

I see... but if the problem is in harming beings than we should not eat anything for besides dirt and mineral sources (we won’t last for long). I think the main reason why plants and such aren’t considered is because we tend to give a sort of “sentient” quality to animals such as chickens or cows, as if they had a conscious to understand that we are eating them. I think it is acceptable to eat them but treat them properly for a more efficient process.

@2005sailor 6 жыл бұрын

You titles it vegan diet science, but I think anyone on any diet can get some great info out of this. Love the work your doing.

@Officialnathanielwells 6 жыл бұрын

Do an interview with Nimai Delgado, Simnett Nutrition, or Jon Venus. That would be great to see.

@nb9797 4 жыл бұрын

Not Jon Venus

@LazyEinstein 3 жыл бұрын

@@nb9797 definitely not Jon Venus

@MrStreetninja007 6 жыл бұрын

Bless you for time stamps

@TommyWolf2123 6 жыл бұрын

Video about vegan diet, talking to a non vegan???

@chillaxer8273 6 жыл бұрын

tmg.84 yeaaaahh wtf bruuuh

@yeadudesupbro5639 6 жыл бұрын

Talking to someone who isn't a biased vegan??????

@m3tallic 6 жыл бұрын

Facts are facts.... Doesn't matter who says them.

@jampl3689 6 жыл бұрын

Just because you're a vegan doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.

@TommyWolf2123 6 жыл бұрын

@@jampl3689 good point, but this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

@oskarnattyvegan2117 6 жыл бұрын

I gotta say Jeff, you are the best fitness channel on youtube brother! Keep up the good work!

@dustman96 6 жыл бұрын

While I appreciate most of this interview, I dare say that getting over 100 grams of protein a day is easy without resorting to supplementation or animal products. And the statement that you need twice as much plant protein to get the same uptake as animal protein is just wrong, based on all my research. From what I gather there is little difference, on the order of 18 to 20 percent.

@kimjongun2536 6 жыл бұрын

100g of protein is nothing unless your under 100lbs ,try getting 250g of protein . Also it is not complete protein you also have to combine it with grains

@dustman96 6 жыл бұрын

First, you don't know what you are talking about on protein. And second, no one except an extreme athlete with high lean body mass needs more than a hundred grams a day. Only an imbecile would try and get 250 grams a day, unless your lean body mass is well over 200 pounds, which yours is not.

@user-ig1dw8kg7j 6 жыл бұрын

But you need a lot more than 100g a day if you are doing strength training. Depending in your wheight it can be difficult to get to around 2g/kg of body weight, plus the 20% extra.

@lil_sumpinsi9961 6 жыл бұрын

dust man multiply your weight by 1-1.3 and that’s how much protein you need per day . Assuming most of us here are average size athletes ... 160-190+ range ... that gets pretty hard man without going over calories and also making sure you get you don’t go over calories getting your carbs and fat . It’s really not that easy .

@NameLess-hr4bg 6 жыл бұрын

dust man you dont know what your talking about.And im pretty sure your real Photo will prove it.Try to build a nice body with 100g of protein per day.lmao.First do it and then type your stupid comment here with some proof to back up the shit your spiting

@bignoknow 4 жыл бұрын

I very much appreciate the content but the amount of adds interrupting the video creates quite a disruption in flow and enjoyment. Every few minutes is insane Jeff. Perhaps every 10-15 next time.

@mayankify 3 жыл бұрын

@JustJitzu 10 bucks is expensive. Just use vanced

@ashutoshkurhade8250 3 жыл бұрын

Buy YT Premium subscription

@NDeemz 3 жыл бұрын

Let the man make money

@bigsip2962 3 жыл бұрын

@@NDeemz he didn't say remove the ads, just space them out better.

@dezukaful 6 жыл бұрын

Go vegan Jeff.

@Rafaelpotosino1 6 жыл бұрын

Go fuck yourself sir.

@logangaddy 6 жыл бұрын

Kali Muscle AKA Chuck Basher G4P on a dayleee Go Vegan!

@Rafaelpotosino1 6 жыл бұрын

Logan Gaddy id rather just eat ass for the rest of my life

@Rafaelpotosino1 6 жыл бұрын

T T how about you don’t force your lifestyle on other people???

@sheadoherty7434 6 жыл бұрын

T T I went three months on vegan, I hated it. My anxiety increased like fuck. My stool was too much. I struggled with getting iron. Went back to being omnivorous. I felt alot better within a week.

@jamiebetker4137 6 жыл бұрын

Love these interviews. Great job as always. I’ll be literature diving now!

@Uberrheogenic 6 жыл бұрын

Nuanced science is like a breath of fresh air. Thanks for this!

@33crushman 2 жыл бұрын

I switched to a mainly carnivore diet about 2 years ago and cut out almost all processed food, and I feel amazing and have cut my body fat in half. I know others that are on vegan diets and say the same. I think the point that everyone's body is different is absolutely true. Try new things and find out what works best for YOUR body.

@jamesallen6309 Жыл бұрын

You make too much sense - find the diet that works for you. Many vegans are radical. They have a particular worldview they want forced on the world. Of course you won't hear from them again when depression, loss of hair and general ill health sets in. I usually can tell a vegan by their pale complexion.

@EmmaSeiteri 6 жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff I respect you very much and found this video very enjoyable. I’m a vegan bikini athlete and I would never touch any animal products again even though if would be more beneficial for bodybuilders. With my science background I found this interesting and would love to have few good arguments but comment section on KZfaq is not the place haha. But as much as there is scientific research I think it comes down to everyone is individual. My experiences with vegan diet have almost always been only positive. My latest prep I lost 12 kilos and the ratio of fat mass compared to the muscle mass I lost was pretty astonishing. I retained muscle the same way or even better than a meat eating athlete would, which comes to show that great planning and structure on vegan diet is no inferior to meat eating diet. Again, this is just one example. But my point is that if you are a bodybuilder and want to go vegan for whichever reason it is IT IS TOTALLY POSSIBLE. Meat is not the end all be all to be competitive level athlete it’s just the amount of effort you want to put into it. I encourage everyone who is even slightly thinking of doing it just do it! Do your research, experiment with yourself and find a diet that works for you! 💪🏼💪🏼 If you are passionate enough of what you do you will make it work :)

@willchinn3457 6 жыл бұрын

It was interesting hearing both sides of the argument. But still some points in there that i feel an actual vegan, with experience living plant based currently (e.g Dr Michael Greger) would have been able to elaborate on some points more. And a lot of the points on gut microbes could easily be dealt with after allowing the gut microbe makeup time to adapt to a more plant based diet. I think it would be great to have another video like this again to dive deeper into the studies. Great video tho, Jeff ✌🏼🌱

@jass9571 6 жыл бұрын

Quinoa and other wholegrains and legumes are really just higher protien Carb sources if you want lower calorie vegan protien you should be looking at eating things like... Tofu 12gs of protien for 117 cals..bean spaghetti which per 100gs is 45gs of protien and only 15gs of carbs and about 300 or so calories..when you compare these sources to animal protien the comparisions are far more favourable..other options are Sietan Tempeh and the multitude of lower carb mock meats out there...you can easily get 140+gs of protien for about 1300 calories when focusing on these kind of concentrated protien foods add a couple shakes and you will easily hit 200+gs of protien a day without going past 2000 calories..you just gotta know what foods and brands to use and its really doable

@sidraval3688 6 жыл бұрын

In regards to a vegan source of B12, Spirulina has tons of it. A serving of fresh frozen spirulina has about 200% of the daily recommended dose. Good insights as per usual!

@tiocsti 6 жыл бұрын

It depends if your plant milk is fortified. Some popular US brands, for example, aren't fortified. Silk, for example, isn't fortified any more. I opt for supplementation just for reliability reasons.

@danpolta8759 6 жыл бұрын

I mean, animal feed is fortified with vitamin B12, so it all comes down to what you'd rather do. Feed an animal a B12 supplement then kill said animal, or just take the B12 directly. Seems a bit moronic to include the middleman out of a fear of pills.

@patswayze7359 4 жыл бұрын

Being plant based I definitely recover faster and have way more energy.also since not eating dairy I havent been sick in a very long time

@KyleRBell-pe7yy 3 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity: what was your diet like before going plant-based?

@LazyEinstein 3 жыл бұрын

@Pat Swayze Something like ~60% caucasian decent, 80% of african decent, & 95% of asian decent have some kind of intolerance to dairy. I'd bet that the majority of people would do better with health just with reducing or removing dairy alone.

@konstantinosmavrias3160 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent content Jeff! You did it again!

@TheNyzzler 6 жыл бұрын

all science-y then "pooping" 😅

@sophiavagrant6492 6 жыл бұрын

"If you are Vegan you can take fish oil" " there is no Vegan Leucine " this guy lose all credibility. Please Jeff choose wisely your Vegan scientist next time.... Check the "Clean Machine" bodybuilding team for a current informations. This interview was awful.

@chillaxer8273 6 жыл бұрын

Dontforgetyourshoes agreed

@falsul96 6 жыл бұрын

I think it was saying if you're a vegan take algae oil for a source of omega 3

@sophiavagrant6492 6 жыл бұрын

he said both, Fish oil and Algae oil for Vegan......

@lizdawizz 6 жыл бұрын

preach ♥️

@thatissomebadhatharry4801 6 жыл бұрын

Sophia Vagrant it was an 1 hour interview and you took 5 sec of it and claimed the entire interview awful?. He made pretty good points in some parts of the interview. You dont have to trash the entire video just because of one statement.

@SamuelMM_Mitosis 6 жыл бұрын

My question is why this guy thinks it's immoral to kill farm animals, but not fish... Just because they lived a free life beforehand it's ok to kill them??? Im not a vegan, but that logic is completely flawed, if you are okay with killing animals own up to it, but Don't try to justify what situation is ok to kill.

@CodepageNet 6 жыл бұрын

fish actually do not feel (pain) as humans and other animals do. at least not to this extend. IMO it is a better choice.

@SamuelMM_Mitosis 6 жыл бұрын

@@CodepageNet they have a will to live.

@CodepageNet 6 жыл бұрын

yes. i see this whole discussion this way: the reality of almost ALL animals is dying by being eaten. and not dying in a nice way, out of human view. to me, it is not a problem that animals are dying when providing meat. the absolute catastrophe and disaster for the animals is how we keep them alive. for me thats the reason to live consciously, at least try to limit the meat intake, checking sources, not going for the cheapest etc etc. a fish's fate in all likelyhood is being eaten. humans or no. that doesn't matter so much, IMO

@SamuelMM_Mitosis 6 жыл бұрын

@@CodepageNet I disagree, if you are going to argue for the benefit of the ecosystem I would say farming is better. At least with farming we replace everything we eat with another cow so that we don't kill the cow population. When people hunt animals like fish we hunt them to extinction since we consume so much without doing anything to return the population like you do while farming. The reality is many fish populations are going extinct because of over fishing. So in terms of catastrophe eating fish is far worse than farming.

@CodepageNet 6 жыл бұрын

SamuelMM I agree with that also! Everything has if's and but's. Anyway: i was refering to the suffering aspect of fish versus "higher" animals.

@paulmares9815 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting and insightful, and what pretty much seemd to me like an unbiased talk about vegan nutrition with the main focus on health and nutrition, which is very important to me, since I went vegan mainly for losing weight, feeling better and overall reduce the risk of any chronic or/and other deseases in the future

@NovaZayn 6 жыл бұрын

oMg This guy actually held up his talk addressing eggs with vegan gains monthsss ago! Holy

@pierrefitch 5 жыл бұрын

I'm vegan 13 years now and last 15 days or so started to add eggs and sardines to my diet and I feel like a superhuman since like haven't feel this good in 13 years of being 100% vegan adding eggs and fish was a game changer -- I'm happy I did this !!!

@blokeguy3320 6 жыл бұрын

Dr Michael Greger pls!

@rebeccabrown1643 4 жыл бұрын

Honestly believe that the reason vegetarian / vegan diets to better in studies is because not eating meat forces you to think more about what you're eating. You need to check labels and you need to keep an eye on what micronutrients you're getting to see if you're deficient. Having more of an awareness of what you're eating will naturally lead to most people making better choices when it comes to food.

@SD-zx1uh 5 жыл бұрын

I have been vegetarian for the last 1.5 years. I am less sore at the gym, more energy, feel lighter and less guilt as i am not contributing to the disgusting animal cruelty industry. Society has made the term "vegan" to have a negative meaning to many people. I try to be vegas as much as possible and am 95% of the time. Going Vegan is honestly one of the best decisions of my life!

@quAdxify 3 жыл бұрын

I was vegetarian for almost 20 years and feel much better and healthier on a meat based diet now. Honestly, most vegetarians and vegans I know are surprisingly unhealthy, compared to the omnivores, despite caring much more about health and lifestyle. I think most of the pros people list sound like placebo. I haven't felt any difference when starting to eat meat except for some health issues (e.g caries) going away. In the end I think we are omnivores for a reason, we should eat a healthy mixed diet consisting of everything in moderation.

@SD-zx1uh 3 жыл бұрын

@@quAdxify as I wrote this a few years ago, I’m now vegan for a few years. Very happy with the decision! 😊

@quAdxify 3 жыл бұрын

@@SD-zx1uh Everyone is different, if it works well for you, keep at it!

@Zyrock 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been vegan for past 30 yrs, I now have the ability to read my minds

@ayniee1897 4 жыл бұрын

25 ads?! You can keep it.

@andreayton1993 4 жыл бұрын

aynie E lmaooo

@jethrotool4828 4 жыл бұрын

aynie E get KZfaq red. 10 bucks a month, no ads. And you can close the video and put your phone in your pocket if you just wanna listen

@zaratustra06 4 жыл бұрын

Ublock origin on pc and youtube vanced on android

@bradridgway581 4 жыл бұрын

What ads?

@bradridgway581 4 жыл бұрын

@@jethrotool4828 it's funny how that used to be a free feature then KZfaq decided to start charging for it.

@550077 6 жыл бұрын

"In a 100 g of quinoa, you have 120 kcal and 4.4 g of protein" - this is a lie, plain and simple. 100 g of quinoa has 368 kcal and 14.1 g of protein.

@550077 6 жыл бұрын

He didn’t say he was talking about quinoa with water. It’s like if someone said "Chicken with a vegetable broth has berely any protein, hence meat has little protein".

@550077 6 жыл бұрын

He can make whatever assumption he wants, but the comparison is useless in this context. It is true that grains must be consumed with water, but it adds no nutritional value to the food. You will simply pee out the surplus water and it will have little impact to your nutritional goals. You will have to drink less water separately. And yes, Jeff has to drink water and quite a lot of it. This begs the question: why play with useless numbers instead of actually comparing those foods? I mean, Jeff isn’t stupid or something.

@Pooplydoo 6 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this video! So excited to watch

@joyd4238 6 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU so much for this pod cast, and taking your time to sgare this. i personally needed to hear this during this time of my life cleaning up gut issues and building body back up. Information here is priceless confirmation...

@genesisdeters1886 6 жыл бұрын

Yes!! I was waiting for this video!

@me-ro8yk 6 жыл бұрын

This was a very interesting watch. Anecdotally I feel my training has improved since I went vegan. The world health organisation says a vegan diet is suitable for all stages of development including for athletes so most people should be fine on a vegan diet. I did it mostly for the environment, though health and the animals were also factors. Excluding having a rare health issue there isn’t a good reason not to be vegan. Though I'd also be happy if people just reduced the consumption of animal products due to the state of the environment. There are also examples of vegans showing excellence in most sports.

@colacp 6 жыл бұрын

Kurt McIntyre WHO is full of shit

@someguy2135 5 жыл бұрын

@TheNecrohazard The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is the largest organization of dietitians in the USA.

@stefdiazdiaz7067 4 жыл бұрын

@TheNecrohazard those are even more full of shit

@serisingh Жыл бұрын

For the argument about “eat whatever your gut tolerates well” I’d point out that our microbiome is variable. If we eat a lot of a particular food, we’ll have more of the bacteria type(s) that break that down well. The opposite is true as well-if we don’t eat a particular food (or group of foods) often, we won’t have many bacteria to break it down well and we’ll probably have indigestion, pain, discomfort, gas, bloating etc. If we drastically change our diets, we are giving our microbiome what it’s not optimized to process. That’s why I think it’s important to give any shift in diet a long period of trial to let the microbiome grow and adjust before we judge if a particular way of eating makes is feel good or not.

@anomelliex8375 6 жыл бұрын

Brilliant podcast! Really informative, especially the points on how different diets will affect people differently. Great job!

@heikoassassin123 6 жыл бұрын

Talk with Dr. Micheal Greger about Vegansim!!

@LazyEinstein 3 жыл бұрын

+1 for this.

@thecasualfront7432 5 жыл бұрын

I love a bit of podcast with my adverts

@ApexPredatorOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

I've been on the carnivore diet for over a year, and love it. Fixed my cholestorol, I have more energy, dropped 10 lbs, and can go two weeks without the gym and not lose any gains!

@OU-812 2 жыл бұрын

Very high saturated fats though... Not good

@ApexPredatorOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

@@OU-812"A 2020 study, published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology indicated that there are no beneficial effects of reducing saturated fat intake on heart diseases or mortality."

@OU-812 2 жыл бұрын

@@ApexPredatorOutdoors go back and listen to what this guy says about saturated fat and heart disease. Your quote sounds like misinformation. Link?

@OU-812 2 жыл бұрын

@@ApexPredatorOutdoors The American Heart Association recommends limiting saturated fats - which are found in butter, cheese, red meat and other animal-based foods, and tropical oils. Decades of sound science has proven it can raise your “bad” cholesterol and put you at higher risk for heart disease. The more important thing to remember is the overall dietary picture. Saturated fats are just one piece of the puzzle. In general, you can’t go wrong eating more fruits, vegetables and whole grains - and taking in fewer calories. When you hear about the latest “diet of the day” or a new or odd-sounding theory about food, consider the source. The American Heart Association makes dietary recommendations only after carefully considering the latest scientific evidence.

@OU-812 2 жыл бұрын

As with most things (eg alcohol) moderation is the key. All meat doesn't seem like a sound long term healthy diet to me.

@L33TTechReviewer 6 жыл бұрын

listened to the whole video thanks for asking Kamal Patel questions I thoroughly enjoyed the video and learned a lot from it! Keep it up Jeff this and videos with people like John Meadows are a great addition to your monday study vids!

@AnduPreda 6 жыл бұрын

I'm smelling some drama, I press like.

@cholkymilkmirage4984 6 жыл бұрын

the eggs loo/lll

@mag8925 6 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@wraithbackup4286 6 жыл бұрын

I'm seeing some dislike, I press like

@matmul4850 6 жыл бұрын

aspi rine With a comment like that would you expect anything less!!

@dariusbrule48 6 жыл бұрын

Lol

@buccaneersxiong117 6 жыл бұрын

Really Jeff??? Hard finding protein on vegan diet??? You of all people should know by now what eggs do to u, yes lots of protein but lots of cholesterol man lots of bodybuilders die of clogged arteries in their 40-50s I’m not being bias I jus chose science

@espada4968 6 жыл бұрын

Drunk Vegan I like how you did not mention steroids

@MrCharly780 6 жыл бұрын

You arethinking that a bodybuilder who is on the extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to diet and also take tons and tons of anabolic steroids is justifiable to say eggs are unhealthy to your average gym rat? lmao talk about bias.

@Stalast. 6 жыл бұрын

Try watching the video

@coopercorps5204 6 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the whole video or just skipped to the eggs part smh.

@aeons200 6 жыл бұрын

there is no scientific evidence eggs are bad more you.. absolutely none

@THrEeMuNkEes 6 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you did a video about veganism instead of ignoring it like many popular fitness channels do. But I am disappointed that you didn't have a vegan or WFPB guest. There are many who aren't propagandists that I would love to see you reach out to and interview as a follow up to this video. Dr. Colin Campbell began his degree in nutritional research to increase protein quality in his family's cattle farm and the research he uncovered developed into the China Study. Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn is a world renown cardiologist that has many, many research studies and articles about heart health. Dr. Joel Fuhrman, a nutritional research scientist as well, wrote Eat to Live ... changed my life! I was on the cusp of having my colon removed when I changed my diet after reading his book. When I went back, the GI said if he hadn't done the test himself, he would have thought it was the colon of someone 15 years younger than me who had never had disease. Vegan bodybuilders today are prolific ... but there are several who are vegan from birth, IFBB Pro Jehina Malik is one, and she competes in Physique. Geoff Palmer owns Clean Machine, a vegan supplement company and developed a new protein called Lentein, from a seaweed I think? Anyway, he's been vegan for 35 ish years and very informative on the science side of things. Other people who can show that there is enough protein in WFPB eating long term that I know (some personally) who live ethically but not vegan bible thumpers like myself, who are fairly well known and easy to look up: Derek Tresize, Robert Cheeke, Fraser and Lauren Bayley, Korin Sutton, Lara Sugrue, Nimai Delgado, Jon Venus, Joe Coleman, Rich Roll, Natalie Matthews, Crissi Carvalho, Mindy Collette, Jessica Ortiz ... this is just a handful of people who are public, some world class athletes, bodybuilders, triathletes, coaches. Just giving you some resources here. I can tell you, just about every one of these people I have mentioned would be happy to talk to you. I am currently studying nutrition and have been since about 2004, back in school again, 30 years later but I am vegan WFPB as well. Again, I'm really glad you even approached the topic and so hope you'll do more!

@tuabuelito 6 жыл бұрын

There are so many things wrong with what Kamal Patel say that I think I shouldnt even bother but ill enumerate them anyway... 1.- Phytostrogen and Soy. He doesnt know what he is talking about or he didnt explain 2.- He said he is afraid of heavy metals in Vegan protein powders but he eats fish? lol 3.- Plants dont wanna be eaten. How? Do they cry when they are killed? do they run for their lives? No, wait.... those are animals (@17:50) 4.- Animals provide only protein and fatty acids. It may be true but what animals? Not the ones people eat because those also provide antibiotics and lot of hormones (@18:44) 5.- Gut Microbiome. This one is hard because I dont know what he wants to say. Whats the point? Not getting all the vegan protein powder you eat or parts of it going directly to the colon? What about dietary fiber? Is that also bad? Btw there is no meat that is actually good for the gut flora...(@16:00-19:00 ?) 6.- I found that study.... It makes me angry that they had 18,431 regular meat eaters and 20,324 vegetarians (including 2228 vegans) and they didnt differentiate between vegetarians and vegans... they put them all together and there where only 2k vegans which is just 10% from the total vegetarians. So this says nothing about the vegan diet. Vegetarian =/= Vegan and the video is about vegan diet.... so why did he bring this up ?(@20:30) ... I wanna be happy (and not angry) so Im not gonna watch the rest of the video... Next time ask someone who knows about Vegan diet science like Dr. Greger. He likes to give interviews afaik

@MRTIJUANAPS3 6 жыл бұрын

tuabuelito nice comment

@gloryholebutforholdinghands 6 жыл бұрын

SimnettNutrition and Jon Venus are both great vegan bodybuilders to bring on

@falsul96 6 жыл бұрын

he has a video training with Jon

@colacp 6 жыл бұрын

Maximilian Gallant both are on roids and lie about their diets.

@kevinmaxwell2567 4 жыл бұрын

this comment didnt age well hahahha, derek is great but jon is a moron lol now a hunter

@Charvo75 6 жыл бұрын

I am vegan, and I agree with Kamal about how a plant-based diet working for someone is highly dependent on that individual. I don't think it works for everyone. Vegetable Police is an example of that due to his digestion problems. I do have to say though it is much, much tougher to make lean muscle gains on a vegan diet especially if you are not doing super amounts of cardio to burn off all the carbs attached to the protein. Fortunately, there are great vegan protein powders out there on a budget.

@victorperez2939 6 жыл бұрын

About time! So excited and glad you took this head on. Very much appreciated!

@supimsatan 6 жыл бұрын

He looks like David Blaine a bit.

@Okami-Chann 6 жыл бұрын

supimsatan he does lmao

@MindBodyWhole 3 жыл бұрын

It’s the sad sloppy eyes and droll tone of his voice.

@supimsatan Жыл бұрын

@@MindBodyWhole Yeah!

@jaredburgess9012 6 жыл бұрын

It's not strictly true fish does not contain Neu5Gc, whilst absent from the muscle tissue it's concentrated in the ovaries. Caviar has one of the highest concentrations of Neu5Gc of any food (more than that of red meat).

@LazyEinstein 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Going to have to look into this one more. Thanks for the tip.

@gnosis444 4 жыл бұрын

Diet is a personal choice, one can provide pros and cons for any personal choice of said individual. One thing that strikes me in regards to the meat consumption of chicken and cows, it’s pretty crazy to think that both of these animals sole purpose is to be consumed. There’s no wild cows roaming the lands or chickens running around, they are breed to be ate. Then meat eaters argument is lack of empathy for the animal, (who cares mentality) so is meat consumption a byproduct of a narcissistic society or age old traditions. Then the vitamin argument, this is a tough one because there’s so many vegans who uneducated take out meat to actually their detriment, one needs to be very well studied in terms of nutritional needs of the body before just skipping the burger at lunch. Moreover, we have awareness that veganism is a choice, as it wasn’t always easily available before. So to go vegan or not? As mentioned earlier this is solely a personal choice, is it helpful in some ways-yes. Can eating solely no meat for extended periods of times without guidance cause certain deficiencies-quite possibly. End of the day, it’s your responsibility for your own health and how you interact with the environment.

@Nesquibel 4 жыл бұрын

The commercials are killing this video for me man. Is it really necessary to have so many so often?

@CraZZyMaNNiaCC 6 жыл бұрын

Great topic. I appreciate the fact that the conversation was calm and argument-balanced and not just looking at a vegan going full "flower power" and contradicting everything with "but animals hurt and cholesterol" and more importantly being very aggressive to the other speaker, trying to shove their lifestyle and OPINION on the other party. I get ethics, i also would love it if all our animal meats were raised in an eco-friendly pleasant environment but having so many mouths to feed i also see the necessity and the extortion of animal life in order for big companies to profit. Not everyone enjoys eating so many plants, i personally get extremely bloated eating even a few spoons of legumes, i tried the vegan diet. But i found it impractical for me. So i stuck with pasture raised eggs (about 4-6 a day), minimal cheese, goat milk and yogurt (it's amazing), fish and occasionally some beef. No chicken.

@misterkeebler 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent discussion! Kamal really knows his stuff, and is great at explaining in layman's terms. I can also vouch for the effectiveness of an elimination diet. I did one earlier this year for 90 days, removing several staples that i found i was sensitive to on a food sensitivity test, and i found some that gave me much great trouble than others. So now i can limit intake. I did have a question though regarding iron overload. An old school practice among bodybuilders was popping desiccated liver tablets like candy. I want to say it was Vince Gironda that was famous for recommending large amounts (with some saying he recommended cycling them). Considering how much iron is found in those tabs, is this actually a somewhat risky practice? Perhaps risk can be somewhat mitigated by frequent trips to donate blood?

@bogdanstefan3730 6 жыл бұрын

Have been a sub since just before the first volume round table. I'm truly happy you've found such tremendous success since then, but I missed this sort of more in-depth conversation with scientists on topics they study actively - really on board with making this a more frequent thing, Jeff!

@saturn6020 6 жыл бұрын

Jeff, love your channel. I'm fairly new to veganism and getting back into the gym after an orthopedic surgery. Like you, I'm a Pro competitor (figure, not BB; and IFPA before they dissolved and split into OCB Pro and IPE). Please consider doing more like this with Dr. Michael Gregor, Dr. Michael Klaper, Chris Willitts, Natalie Matthews, Josh Baldwin, Derek Simnett, Jeff Morgan. So far I'm doing well and feeling great getting back into the gym on a vegan diet. I have no energy issues, cravings, digestive discomforts, etc. At 1:27:40 you two agree there's no vegan sourced b12. Is the Global Healing Center brand Vegan-Safe b12 I take not vegan then? Couldn't wait for this video, thanks for sharing. ♥♥

@TheLusaso 3 жыл бұрын

I wish I would have seen this video 3 years ago when I first went vegan. I ate meat every single meal for 25 years straight, then went vegan cold turkey and did not even know how to be one, I was eating like a rabbit. 🤦‍♂️

@jamessiguenza5721 2 жыл бұрын

Are you still a vegan now?

@mohammedqasim3657 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamessiguenza5721 unfortunately, since turning vegan he is no longer in this world.

@kiffu94 2 жыл бұрын

@@mohammedqasim3657 kaboooom true

@SinProductions 6 жыл бұрын

LEGS PART 2 JEFF!

@vanditdostonkadost 6 жыл бұрын

416 Barz exactly man. He did put it a bit in his VLOG don't you think?

@Skaterkid-v9 6 жыл бұрын

Love these long and thorough interviews!!

@franciscoiramain3337 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent interview! I visit examine.com often and was quite pleased with the amount of info in this interview, kudos!

@landonp.4073 6 жыл бұрын

“I would be vegan if it wasn’t for my gut issues” ..that’s a suspect excuse

@chillaxer8273 6 жыл бұрын

Landon Parmer yeah this guy is fishy as hell. No pun intended

@Stalast. 6 жыл бұрын

You say this like he gives a fuck about what you think

@destro1989 6 жыл бұрын

Emotional vegans insulting people with personal insults. You don't know him or his health issues. Grow up

@kira_15_R3D 6 жыл бұрын

suspicious

@landonp.4073 6 жыл бұрын

Maxx's Chicken Tenderloins sound pretty emotional there yourself buddy

@Vamavid 4 жыл бұрын

57:20 The way he looked at the egg study was disingenuous. For people already "maxing out their cholesterol levels" by eating the SAD, adding more eggs may not increase their blood cholesterol. Harvard just cant teach some things; to step back and use common sense.

@Wayne-wl8lw 6 жыл бұрын

Eat what makes you feel best. I went keto for over 2yrs felt good, now I'm mostly meat, organs, and bone broth. My digestion is the best it's ever been. I battled ibs for years and now its completely gone. I do throw in fish oil, magnesium and potassium and pink salt. I've come off depression medications and inflammation is down. So people can hate but I'm not gonna suffer to make other people happy.

@MorawskiGRK 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely stellar quality of the podcast - I know quite a lot about nutrition, but I still learned a ton here + got a few interesting papers saved for later.

@chinchilla8723 6 жыл бұрын

Get a REAL vegan doctor to interview, step out your bias circle. Why is he rambling on about small bad factors of meat but not looking and talking and emphasizing THE bigger picture of why meat is so cancerous to our body.

@stighaaland5357 6 жыл бұрын

Vegans are too biased.

@chinchilla8723 6 жыл бұрын

Stig Haaland nutritionfacts.org

@helenamarie4337 6 жыл бұрын

49:30 the reasoning is completely absurd and anecdotal. My Grandfather was a drinker and smoker all his life and lived very long, so drinking and smoking doesnt come with health risks? Thats just plain stupid... What about the fact, that Inuit in general live the shortest lives? What about the fact, that US people have way higher rates of obesity and heart failures than Indians?

@helenamarie4337 6 жыл бұрын

ignore the facts? since your name is "pure facts", I will ignore you then...

@erikariehs8287 4 жыл бұрын

US diets consist of tons of sugar and processed meat.

@stefdiazdiaz7067 4 жыл бұрын

cigars and liquor are both plant based!

@stefdiazdiaz7067 4 жыл бұрын

americans eat trash, in India they eat trash also but less

@coffeehousedialogue5684 4 жыл бұрын

US citizens generally eat more processed and sugary foods. Plus, deep frying is popular. It is not so much the meat as it is how we prepare it. Not to mention, the prominence of fast food. It is not as simple as meat versus no meat.

@J4KETS 6 жыл бұрын

Great video! and as a vegan, I'm not even sure you need to get a vegan athlete on the show, Kamal did an awesome job representing both sides. do you!

@freef6442 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Jeff. Thanks for addressing the topic that is gaining momentum, but I agree with most of the comments that you can bring a panel of vegans, like nimai Delgado, simmnet, John venus, Leo Venus, Bianca Taylor, Dr Garth, Dr Gregor, Natalie Mathews, Steven coyote... and the list goes on on....