So, that's where Bonecrusher Giant and Lovestruck Beast were going all this time!

Don't count your eggs just yet. Flavor-wise it's definitely a win, but it feels gimmicky and is very parasitic.

I miss your videos so much!!!

Miss ur content 😔

Where you been at? Miss your content!

Here's hoping this isn't just printed in one set.

I mean do you like sagas, cause that’s kinda what these are

Dan Shive? of EGS fame?

@@zagqueenofchaos8352 No, they're nothing like sagas. The good sagas are being played because they don't require you to build a deck around them and just independently provide you with great effects. With dungeons, you always need to build your deck around them to reap some sort of benefit, which is frankly, not a lot. It's the same reason why the party mechanic doesn't see any play.

Nope, we’re here, sulking from the silver-bordered sidelines

That's impractical and potentially painful.

@@videogollumer Clearly you’ve never played with Enter the Dungeon (the Unhinged card I was jokingly referencing).

​@@cudgelmuffin No, I haven't. Regardless, I'd rather not hit my crown on the underside of a table.

Shakira is under the table. No room for you.

Can you set the bar any lower?

@@TheGprinziv i hope it is better than dragon's maze

​@@printergrandmaster2067 there are only two good cards from dragon's maze, voice of resurgence and the token voice of resurgence creates

@@TheGprinziv Magic Legends.

@@nichevcodes Wear/tear is pretty good

Well said

Sagas were initially supposed to be this way, where you'd only go to the next part of the saga when you had fulfilled the right conditions. I think this is the other part of the original saga design come to life

@@plumokin5535 sagas, planeswalkers, dungeons. They had split the original into those three parts. its good we finally have them

@@plumokin5535 Personally, I love the fact that Sagas didn't end up that way. The upkeep trigger on subsequent chapters is far more reliable than requiring the venture mechanic. Unless your deck is stuffed full of cards that let you venture(which also brings up the question of whether or not these cards are going to be any good outside of this mechanic), depending on the build of the deck, you may not even complete a full dungeon before the end of the game. Maybe if dungeon cards get released that are particularly strong for control decks it could be an interesting angle to take since they are better equipped to force the long-game. At this point, we have a lot more to learn about the mechanic and which cards will provide it. I'm guessing there's not going to be much of a middle ground with this one, love it or hate it. 😅😂

I agree. This mechanic looks like a ton of fun. but if it’s not printed on enough cards that matter, it’s gonna suck.

You clearly never played d&d xD it takes days to complete a dungeon and weeks to schedule a new session xD

@@victorcarrillo2151 I’m a DM a thank you very much lol. Just saying that from a gameplay perspective, it makes sense right now for the card to work quickly, when the current standard format is really fast-paced, and full of aggro. Otherwise the only people who would play this is control

That's one element of D&D I wouldn't like to see being ported into Magic, the "dungeon left halfway through until next week":D

It's very "parasitic" as they call it, at first glace; something they were supposed to stop doing. So we'll have to see what they have planned to change that. Mechanics like Mutate are perfect because they exist in one set, but work with anything. This is... weird unless they plan on supporting it in the future.

That's too op, even for Magic

@@Hussain_Zaki Tiamat's in the game.

Yeah, this could easily work on Zendikar. They have TONS of dungeon names lol

u know it wont.

I don't see how. If I understand how its work then they will be always limiting themselves to just those three dungeons

@@yoav.kats6328 Woah I didn’t hear the first part. There’s only gonna be 3 unique dungeon cards in the whole set? I would’ve expected like 10 to 20

They definitely wouldn’t show all the dungeons in a video explaining the mechanic, these are probably just a few simple dungeons to help people understand

They said they were put in the 'command zone' so I am pretty sure they don't count as permanents.

doesn't sound like a permanent, maybe they will explain more if you can bounce or destory/exile em. Said you could counter the room effect. once completed they are removed from game, are repeatable (so no real reason to burn a removal on one when they can just go back to the dungeon again)

They do have the T for Token rarity though. so guess they might just be treated like any other token. While Emblems were E

@@danielfrazier5586 Or that they’re being released as tokens, like you find them in booster packs where you would normally find tokens

@@carsonperry6443 yeah I said that they have the T for token type. So that's their slot in the packs. But how they are interactive with the board state is as yet to be fully explained. Curious if they are in the dungeon of death commander precon. Wouldn't think commander council will ban them. But who knows. I did see one planeswalker who looks scary af with dungeons. So I'm def looking forward with dungeon focused play

It's pretty great for me. I get to blow all my money on both at once instead of separately for once

Don't worry with the amount of counter spells and board wipes they keep releasing there will always be boring long, one sided games.

It will find its play most likely in Commander which is somehow role-play like

@@AdamDylanMajor A "venture into the dungeon" archetype commander pre-con with an extra long made for commander dungeon card would be pretty cool.

Probably nothing...

Yeah, because we needed one more thing to make EDH go even slower.

I agree the art is pretty stale on these.

It wasn't that bad I liked what they did with Lukka the rest was pretty bad

Nah. It'll either be fun, or not, and then be left to slide out of rotation.

They don't exist as part of a sideboard, so they can be called upon at any time. They will be Commander-legal.

The dungeon is not a permanent, and the token is in the dungeon, not on a player, therefore the dungeon cannot be targeted by proliferate.

@@narcozero8410 True ):

Yeah agreed. DnD is all about dice rolls yet they dont have any of it in this set. Big oversight from devs

@@ozarcgaming yes they do, wtf, you saw just like 10-20 cards and talk about how they oversighted the whole set? Check now when more cards are spoiled, there is a chest that you roll a dice to decide what you get from this card

From what I understood, dungeons are "tokens" You don't actually need them to play, they're there to mark your progress and teach you how to use the mechanic

@@cacs2201 Okay. Cool.

According to the article, there are only three dungeons, and you only need one copy of each.

There's going to be maybe 2 or 3 good dungeons, and a few dungeon payoffs. Everybody is going to run them, and it's going to get old really fast. If they want to make these mechanics fun, they'll give as many viable options as possible, dungeons and enablers, not just draft chaff with a few good rares.

You really only need one dungeon to make it viable. The biggest thing standing in the way is how many other cards can cause venture triggers. You can only have one dungeon out at a time so getting it out and blowing through it as fast as possible is probably your best bet. The cool thing is that, unless we get a rules update, Solemnity doesn't affect dungeons. The bad thing is that other cards preventing card triggers from triggering would essentially render the deck useless. I also don't think that if you're gonna use this in a deck that you're just gonna have 1 or 2 cards to trigger the dungeon unless you have some return from grave or bounce shenanigans to keep triggering it. Both of which are fairly popular stretegies anyway which means people are already likely prepared to counter those decks. I hope these work out. And that perhaps we can keep getting these d&d sets to get more dungeons.

It's not a sideboard thing, they specifically said it's not in the sideboard.

More likely its a triggerred ability so even if the permanent died after casting, youll get into another dungeon and get some buff or rewards.

it appears to be some sort of create effect, so likely these are prefabs like treasures

The power level of the dungeons seems to be pretty low in the first couple of rooms, I don't now if there will be more, but they don't seem to have rarities so I expect this kind of power level for all of them. Which will keep the mechanic in check. But it'll depend on how easy "venture into the dungeon" will be.

There's a silver bordered card called "Enter the Dungeon"

Definitely needs so dice roll rng, as that's the core of DND and they totally don't implement it into this.

The dungeons reside outside the game. When you venture into a dungeon for the first time, you choose one of the three and place it in your command zone (it can exist there alongside your commander). Once completed, it leaves the game until you venture into a different (or the same) dungeon, and it starts over again.

I know there’s gonna be a dungeon themed commander deck so I wouldn’t be surprised if more dungeons get printed there. But I think having the 3 only lets them be evergreen for any deck. I would not mind more specific dungeons later down the line if we return to Torill but for now to test the waters I’m okay with 3

Given that we know one of the precons is Dungeon Focused, I'd say yes, definitely

@GamerBear Yeah i saw that after. Cant wait for spoiler season fro precon.

The balancing mechanism is that you have to play cards that say you venture into the dungeon. Whether or not those cards are good will let you know how powerful the mechanic is.

@@Prinrin ok but that mad wizard one sounds better than the others, let's see what happens

@@Liliana_the_ghost_cat Not really the others a shorter mad mage takes at least 7 "venture into the dungeon" cards to finish the other 2 only need 4

@@pazaac oh... that makes more sense, i missed that part, thanks for reminding me of that part, i realy didn't notice

Dungeons kinda work like tokens, so no there’s no limit. You just pick where your adventure takes you