Finally! A Star Wars Tuber who doesn't think Zannah's Madness spells are trash. One thing I think people also forget is Bane had like 2 decades of prep-time knowing those spells were coming whereas 90% of the verse wouldn't have that luxury.

Unexpected but certainly not unwelcome. I look forward to seeing what master class craftsmanship in analysis and powerscaling you will grace us with this time

I absolutely love this match up. It's is the perfect example that just because a force user has the advantage in physical might does not mean they will win if their mental strength is not as strong. I enjoyed this so much that if I find the time I'm really tempted to doing a follow-up to my last match up video. Keep up the incredible work. 👏👏

So glad to finally see someone give Zannah the respect she deserves. Would love to see Meetra Surik vs Inquisitor Jerec or Darth Traya vs Obi-Wan Kenobi

Hell yes. He is back again. So cool to see you tackle Galen. TFU is still among my favorite EU stories.

The whiplash when I realized this wasn’t an Evannova95 video lol

0:00 - 5:28 Character backstory 6:53 Physical abilities 13:57 Martial arts and weaponry 31:40 Force abilities 53:12 Final Verdict

TBH, I think Starkiller at the end of his character arc would survive Zannah's spells. As in, if she cast her strongest one and then left him alone, he wouldn't go into a coma and would break out. Eventually. Not nearly fast enough to stop her form killing him in a duel. I 100% agree that Zannah wins this fight.

Wuhoo! The legend returns! Can't wait to watch this and your other video, keep up the amazing work!

Absolutely love this match great choice, and welcome back hope to see more versus match in the future.

Another excellent video! Well done!

This is the best versus video you had to date, you beautifully told your arguments for both sides. It felt like you really went into this research to find out who would win and I can comfortably say you showed that Versus content isn't dried out in the slightiest. Also you are correct the first Galen is the better one but did not know about that force power kinda cool actually.

More Star Wars Versus Series? Peak. Excited to see this come back

Great matchup Terra. Looking forward to your finale of Season 4.

Hey, found your channel!! And though I disagree with the verdict, in my personal opinion, you do one of if not, the best job with these videos!! Please keep them going, they are so amazing. Especially your narrative style verdict. I love to listen to your videos when I visit my girlfriend (she lives 4 hours away) and it gives me something amazing to pass the time!!

Niiiiice. Might I request Satele Shan vs Inquisitor Jerec?

Yeahhh the problem with Starkiller in this matchup is that he's routinely been shown to be vulnerable to telepathic attacks-especially in Force Unleashed 2 if the memory flashes and hallucinations he'd seen during the duel with Vader are interpreted to be direct psychic attacks rather than just horribly inconvenient flashbacks popping up mid-fight. Not only that, but the myriad of visions that he'd been forced to come to blows with against Darth Phobos (who is pretty much a watered-down version of Zannah) in the Wii/PS2 version of the story, the Trial of Insight, and (even as non-canon as it is) Ben Kenobi in the Tatooine DLC for Force Unleashed 1 show that even mind-tricks from suitably powerful Jedi can throw him off his game mid-fight. He's not breaking out battle-mind like Nomi Sundrider, he's not using a Jedi-like zen like Obi-Wan or Luke to work through it, and he's not able to martial his willpower to the extent that Bane or Vader did when faced with these types of visions to dispel them. Galen is forced to try and ride out the effects rather than actively combating them, which isn't going to help when Zannah's able to dredge up all of his trauma and drown him in it once she is able to get a distraction in. I will grant Starkiller this: he would clean house with Rule of Two Zannah given that she was being put under too much pressure by a superior swordsman (Sarro Xaj) to break out her spells until he was distracted by their battle meditation being broken. Given the amount of time that passed between that and Dynasty of Evil, if she is able to break out her spells mid-fight against Darth Bane of all people, then I don't doubt that she could reasonably pull it off against Starkiller. Anyways, tldr, good work as always Rob! Looking forward to the next one.

Can you do Darth Malak vs Darth Bane?

I don't think Zannah would kill Marek. Once she saw what he was capable of, I think she would try to break him and make him her new apprentice.

Splitting hairs here, and it’s not important, but, pretty sure Zannah would not be in her mid-30s in DoE, as she was 10-ish when Bane found her, and each book has a 10-year-jump. So yeah, at most EARLY 30s. Physicals: -8:49, it’s always bizarre when you Star Wars versus video KZfaqrs say a thing, and present the source, only to have the source not support what you’ve said. 😅 Zannah never blacked out during that fight with Bane. Unless you have a strange understanding of blacking out. -12:12, what?! 😅 Since when were either Zannah or Marek trained since birth? Maybe SLIGHTLY in the sense of what minimal Jedi training Zannah received as a child, and what minimal Jedi training Galen received as a child from his father. But your framing here easily makes it seem that you’re saying Bane and Vader trained each from birth, which I know you know isn’t true. Just, something you should’ve caught before releasing the video. -Yeah, Galen’s one of the more impressive humans in Star Wars when it comes to stamina and endurance; he obviously takes the physical advantage. Lightsaber combat: -17:20, context is your friend. Bane was only able to disarm Zannah because of: 1. Her injury, and much more of a factor: 2. Much of her focus was being put toward her dark side tendrils at that time, and they defeated Bane before he could strike her down. Without outside circumstances like her tripping over a freshly dug grave (also largely due to her splitting her focus between defending against Bane and charging up her spell of madness), Zannah was able to defend against everything Bane could dish out. So I think you’re underselling her-as most do-as a lightsaber duelist. -17:30, which Jedi in the Duel on Tython fight disarmed Zannah??? I genuinely don’t recall this. I’m assuming it would have been Sarro Xaj, if anyone, but even if this was the case, which I’m not sure it is, an incredibly skilled, battle-meditation-amped Jedi Knight disarming a 10-year-pre-prime Zannah should hardly be used against her when, IN her prime 10 years later, she’s able to defend against everything Bane has in his arsenal of lightsaber combat. -19:00, again, context. Zannah was a bit pressed to end the engagement quickly, and in a kind of state she wouldn’t be in against someone who wasn’t her master. -19:16, not really. Like I said above, a major factor in why she didn’t notice the freshly dug grave she ended up tripping over, was because her attention was already split between defending against BANE, and gathering her energy for one of her spells of madness. Like, it literally expressly states that in the passage too, again that you even supplied! 🤦‍♂️ You should not be making these kinds of amateur mistakes still. Perhaps you’ve improved since years ago, but I don’t think it’s quite enough. -19:30, yeah, it’s almost like they AREN’T inconsistent showings at all, and it’s just that you need to consider and apply context a whole lot more, huh? 😅 -Glad you’re giving Galen his due credit as a duelist; many overlook his dueling prowess by focusing so much on him being a powerhouse in The Force. -28:15-28:23, that was some rough editing there… 😬 -I agree with Galen taking the edge in saber combat, as he is the better all-around duelist, and yeah, he can likely beat opponents in lightsaber combat that Zannah probably couldn’t or at least would have a harder time with. But how it would actually go down in a lightsaber duel between the two of them is that neither would be able to leverage any advantage over the other in a dedicated, purely lightsaber duel. Force: -40:48, what do you mean Bane’s willpower is rarely seen? There are numerous feats/showcases of his willpower throughout each of his 3 books. -40:51, ALSO to consider: the spell of madness Zannah hit Bane with was, essentially, a watered-down version of the spell. She had intended to cast a charged up spell, and she was indeed gathering her power to do that during their fight, but between doing that, and fending off Bane’s onslaught, she didn’t notice the freshly dug grave, and tripped over it, which Bane capitalized on immediately. It took all of her gathered energy to stave off Bane’s offense, and she still suffered a broken rib before managing to disengage and create a lil distance before then casting her spell. In other words, with Bane being prepared to deal with this spell, and with the potency of said spell being as if she just cast it casually with no gathered power behind it, Bane still barely manages to overcome it. In a normal situation, Zannah would have charged up her spell while successfully defending against practically whatever her opponent could throw her way, and then she’d unleash her spell, which, being charged up, would easily overcome even the likes of Bane. -So I’ve struggled to wrap my head around this for years: Ambria is a dark side nexus, but as is established in numerous sources, including Path of Destruction, the dark side of Ambria was sealed away into Lake Natth by Thon, and couldn’t be called upon by dark siders. Yet the text in DoE makes it rather clear that Zannah is manifesting the dark side tendrils from residual dark side energy in Ambria. 🤷‍♂️ The only way I’ve been able to square this so far is that the MAJORITY of what makes Ambria a potent dark side nexus, the dark side energy that ravaged the world due to that nameless Sith sorceress’ ritual-gone-wrong (or right???)… THAT was sealed away by Thon, but Ambria was one of many planets subjected to the horrors of the war (between The Brotherhood of Darkness and The Republic and the Jedi, and later The Army of Light), and felt much pain and suffering. And so Zannah could’ve been pulling from THAT dark side energy, which obviously wouldn’t be as potent, but would still help. Given that though, I think it’s less of a stretch that Zannah could use this bit of Sith sorcery without a dark side nexus… unless of course the spell literally requires one to manifest the tendrils from residual dark side energy from a kind of nexus of it for example. Ultimately, we just don’t have enough examples of the ability, nor do we have enough info on it in general. -42:36, except, as you’ve already touched on in the video, Zannah was tricked into trying to kill Bane with her lightsaber in that fight, not through The Force, so THAT could be the rather obvious explanation for why she didn’t try to utilize her dark side tendrils then. I mean, she also didn’t use her spell of madness in that fight, so… -43:51, ok, a couple things: I haven’t played the video game in forever, but I’m pretty sure what you’re referencing is in the ‘bad’ non-official ending. The non-official ending has less merit. Also, the novelization is considered the most official telling of the events of TFU over the video game and presumably the comic as well, and nowhere in it does Sheev say that to Galen. -Thank you for addressing the star destroyer feat! Too often I’ve seen that feat misinterpreted and blown out of proportion. -A little bit of added info needs to be involved with Galen’s contention with Sidious: it took everything Galen had to do it, including even entering a state of Oneness, and it killed him, whereas Sidious emerged completely unscathed. -Fully agree Zannah takes the edge in The Force. Verdict: 57:01, wait, you think Galen>Bane in lightsaber skill? 😅 I didn’t quite get that that’s what you meant earlier. Bane has Galen beat in every form they both use. Regarding Juyo, which, of the forms Galen was most proficient in, would be his best shot against Zannah’s defense… it’s a tad ridiculous to think Galen’s>Bane in it. Not only is it Bane who gives a freaking treatise on the form in Book of Sith, but in terms of the form’s fundamentals, and how it works, being technical-as you state-isn’t really it. And Bane’s better mastery over anger than Galen would serve him better in Juyo, again, fundamentally. But beyond just Juyo, Bane was a master-level duelist as of PoD, 20 years before his prime. He only further honed his skill in those 20 years. Galen’s easily good enough to challenge Bane and Zannah, but claiming he’s a more refined duelist than Bane is pretty ludicrous. -I 100% agree with the verdict, although I find it to be less close than you seem to think it’d be. 1:02:05, nah, there’s plenty of doubt regarding Marek being the better duelist. Again, if Bane couldn’t penetrate her defenses, what makes you think Galen can? Not only that, but Zannah has 20 years of training to Galen’s 15-ish. -I agree with the overall assessment. Despite some ODD stances you have on certain things and being empirically wrong on some others, this was a step-up from most of the Star Wars versus videos of years ago. I’d say you definitely still have plenty of room to improve though, with probably your biggest and most egregious mistake being you saying things that run in complete contradiction to the sources you’re providing on the screen, or at least that the sources don’t support your claims at all. Like, that’s PRETTY bad. 😬 However overall, plenty of potential. Keep at it (as long as you strive to continuously improve).

Well, I knew your position the second you said your take on Zannah's spells. Makes me just fill with dread listening to the narrative fight. Which was all the more justified with how far you took the Horror aspect. Not out of character I guess, but not what I'm here for. Still nice to see a new video and I like the mention of the Sith Seaker ability

Mr. Terra! I like this match up.

Great video dude! I also have a recommendation for a video. Darth Zannah vs Darth Maul.

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Yo, great to see you back man. If you're open to versus ideas. How do you feel about a three-way? Shaak Ti vs Raana Tey vs Ahsoka Tano. Three togruta females who represent the Jedi's greatest strengths, weaknesses, and the in-between. They all have incredible force capabilities but are primarily lightsaber users with incredible skills and willpower. I feel like a debate between these three would be quite a fun discussion.

I'd be down to see a match involving Kreia there

W vid

Zannah's spells of madness can do a lot of harm, but the defense against it isn't so much "willpower" as it is coming to terms with the events of one's past. For past events can be traumatizing in ways, but if one has "come to terms" with them... they've essentially gotten over the trauma that the past then represents. They've accepted that it is there and recognized it... and either noted that that trauma does not control them or took control over that trauma. And that's the big thing where Bane was able to resist the attack. It wasn't so much a question of willpower but the fact that he had long since come to terms with the traumatic events of his own past. Zannah would show him his father or the mines he'd labored in and Bane would let her know that he had long used that past as part of the fuel for his strength and there is no part of his psyche that is haunted by it. And as such, there is nothing for the spell to truly effect beyond some momentary disorientation to recognize the metal illusion... And that would present a different set of problems for Marek. One would be that I don't think he ever had a moment where he was able to come to terms with the things Vader did to him. At least not before he died. Had he lived longer, it could be possible that Kota would have given him some added encouragement and mentorship that would help him overcome that past trauma... but he didn't, which would leave him open to Zannah's spells of madness. The other issue would be rarity of Zannah's skillset by the time of the Empire... Zannah's spells of madness are something that are more a part of "Sith Sorcery" that were present during much of the Old Republic Period and prior to the Battle of Ruusan. In a very lose way... the Sith Sorcerers were akin to the Jedi Consulars... in that they were more focused on the Force and its mysteries than they were on battle and lightsaber combat. Which is in part why so many of Zannah's most powerful abilities are more mental in nature. And prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Sith were pretty evenly balanced between sorcerers and warriors. And often when they'd be in pairs, one would tend to be more the warrior while the other more the sorcerer... which it Exar Kun's relationship with Ulic Qel-Droma with Qel-Droma being the warrior to Kun's sorcery. However, by the time that Marek was operating... the vast majority of Force users were trained more as Sith Warriors, as that suited the needs of Emperor Palpatine and to a lesser degree Lord Vader. Palpatine may have dabbled in Sith Sorcery to a degree, particularly if we look things like the Dark Empire comics... but with the galaxy in his hands and the Jedi largely extinct, he wasn't as active in the sort of way that people would be attentive to it... and the Jedi Marek faced wouldn't have had comparable training. Thus, much of what Zannah would bring to the table would be an unknown to Marek, even IF he'd come to grips with the traumatic events of his past.

Starkiller has to be most underrated character ever 😂

Here’s an interesting matchup: Darth Malak vs Satele Shan. Since Malak was able to beat Bastila in combat, how would he fair against her descendant?

ah yes my favorite sith zannah

Sith wizard vs Sith brawler, a contrast match-up

These videos are hot take central. Plagues beating revan zannah beating Galen all nonsense. Everyone here complains zannah gets no respect but there are prob the same people that try to bring down starkiller at every chance because he was powerful in the video game and beat Vader and everyone was but hurt about it.

Gonna drop my theory before watching the vid. Zannah, should she come out on top, will do so via her Sith spells of madness and her defensive dueling. If Galen wins it's due to his massive force power, superior dueling, or more devastating offensive abilities.

Before watching this one, I think Zannah would win in a close fight thanks so her sorcery. AFAIK that's not something Marek has any real defense against and I think he'd be vulnerable to spells of madness. edit: yep

Let us know if your taking requests I got a few ideas if interested

i wanna see tavion from JK2 vs zannah

A comment for the algorithm gods

Quinlan Vos vs Lucien Draay? Jerec vs Count Dooku?

Hold on starkiller defeated Phobos and she was using illusions on him

U cant do mind tricc in TFU in TFU2 he could use it against groups i do it all time in challenge the time he used cannon manually that was Starkiller II Aswell in TFU 1 u make lightning shield its 2 w the mind tric

Zannah vs Dooku Galen marek vs inquisitor Jerec Rahm Kota vs Qui gon jin Maul vs Zannah Bane vs Malek

Zannah was, and doubtless remains, THE Greatest of The Sith Ladies. Both a thinker AND a warrior, she,more than any other, (apart from Bane, of course) did the most for the order of the sith. She wouldn't ~simply~ "kill" Marek, she'd BUTCHER him. She'd have wiped the floor with Sidious - probably turn the entire TPM era Jedi Council to paste, single-handed. (Or just compell them all to kill themselves... She's Bad-ass like that...) Darth Zannah - 1,000,000/100 vs Starkiller. End of line. Nice work!✌🏼🥂

Zannah scaling to Bane and Cognus who scale above Suit Vader whom Galen scales no where near without oneness and outside interference with factual canon display of power via novel, Galen loses horribly.