With the gaunlet Haazen is unbeatable, he wins anyone if he has it.

Enjoyed your hard work!.

Hey, found your channel!! And though I disagree with the verdict, in my personal opinion, you do one of if not, the best job with these videos!! Please keep them going, they are so amazing. Especially your narrative style verdict. I love to listen to your videos when I visit my girlfriend (she lives 4 hours away) and it gives me something amazing to pass the time!!

okay a few problems here 1. im 90% sure vader has used force kill before which is a more advanced version of force wound so yea he does have an answer to that 2. im pretty sure what Nihilus used wasn't sever force (must be a mistake in the guide) since that supposed to be permanent and considering the fact that kreia got her power back means it probably wasn't that as for the verdict im not sure i agree, vader trying to resist force Drain of a planetary magnitude would be like trying to shelter from the wind in a hurricane, that being past a certain threshold it just isn't viable, Even in that cutscene (of questionable canon) where Sion tries to fight Nihilus he gets the life immediately drained from him and left grounded, while Sion survived, i'd say he's better as using his Rage to make himself immortal than Vader is, so if Vader is grounded even for a second one groundwould stab would end it all

I can't believe you have so few subscribers. Compared to the other star wars versus channels yours is just as amazing. Great content.

Wow the constrast between force abilities is laughable, tano really is a nothing burger in term of using the force

Hold on starkiller defeated Phobos and she was using illusions on him

Regarding Revan's armor, it was likely made of beskar, given its Mandalorian astetic, which _can_ protect against lightsaber strikes. There's nothing in the lore to confirm this but logic dictates that the moment Revan learned that there were Mandalorians wearing armor that could reliably protect against lightsabers, his pragmatism would demand that he get a beskar suit of his own. Honor or pride be d***ed. And he would have had ample opportunity to acquire beskar armor components over the course of the Mandalorian Wars.

Darth Nihilus would take Vader. You're kinda low balling how powerful Nihilus really is.

That's for keeping this up on YT for so many years that I can watch and enjoy it in 2024

at some point we need to see Vaylin in at least one vs battle

0:15 "3,000 years before the Battle of Yavin, the Sith Umpire was arguably the greatest power in the galaxy" Ah yes, the power of baseball fanaticism had truly taken over the galaxy.😅

Kyp Durron is one of the most powerful Jedi in galactic history outside the Skywalker family. He could take Docku.

"Born over 1000 years before the Battle of Yavin" Um...try more than three and a half thousand.

U cant do mind tricc in TFU in TFU2 he could use it against groups i do it all time in challenge the time he used cannon manually that was Starkiller II Aswell in TFU 1 u make lightning shield its 2 w the mind tric

Thank u god 4 calling out that bullshit on The Last Jedi

Hmm too bad Kun didn’t master that aspect of Niman where 1 integrates force powers with lightsaber combat or he might’ve won the fight

Thexan vs Anakin would be a better fight, Arcann would lose to Anakin and would have lost to Thexan had his brother actually wanted to kill him, even when he was caught off guard we see him fight back due to sheer reflexes but of course he wasn’t trying to kill his brother unlike Arcann in his rage state.

I find it weird that Poof has a blue lightsaber despite having more force abilities (something that Jedi with green sabers often have going 4 them) but Rahm being more of a warrior type Jedi carries a green lightsaber it’s just odd to me that’s all

you know i was playing battlefront 2 yesterday does anyone get the bug where the sound pops if you play as Aayla in jabba's palace ?

I cant agree on the ending since although Plagueous has good tactics in battle I feel Reven would find a way since he has more skill in my opinion and his force abilities would have more of an impact but you made a pretty good case for plagueous.

Glad to see ur back sir I thought u were gonr forever 😢

a very good analysis but there is now way Revan would lose to Plagueis. Foundry revan can casually pull meteors out of space.

Plagueis almost got himself killed against venamis lightsaber combat and revan is leagues above that, Malak would kill plagueis just as easily as a jedi master killing a sith apprentice in seconds, especially star forged malak, and revan killed that version of darth malak

Tano would win . Her ataru was Anakin s improved version. On top of having yoda as an instructor. Shes a force god . And well thos was only three years of Anakin s training. But we can agree that Anakin s grueling regiment would at least double this . Bc she survived jedi hunters killing dozens of jedi masters and council members

I have to disagree with you when it comes to Reven’s blade work. He comes from a time when dueling was an often occurrence. Unlike Plagueis who had one real lightsaber duel and only practiced against his master and droids.

Yo Rob, I love that you picked these characters, both extremely powerful. I haven’t finished the video yet, but you mentioned the Pleguies had synthetic crystal, incorrect. Disney took over and said that they bleed the crystals. Can’t wait to view your other vs. Also you’ve earned a subscriber 💯🙋🏾‍♂️

RobTerra I really enjoy your content I love the fact there is no bias from you Which is really refreshing.

Great video dude! I also have a recommendation for a video. Darth Zannah vs Darth Maul.

Oh you’re back? Cool

Darth Vader all day

Absolutely love this match great choice, and welcome back hope to see more versus match in the future.

Nice usage of the Last Dragonborn's theme.

One could say that Jacen was a practitioner of Form 6.

Also as a martial artist, it took the greatest Jrdi and Sith of the SWTOR Era just to subdue him. All of whom are either between the top high council to middle grand master tier.

Revan was known for his skill and mastery in unarmed combat and military tactics. Something that he was respected for by the Mandalorians.

Legacy and kotor 2 are my two favourite parts of legends

After this duel, Cade never touched death sticks again. He even stopped drinking for almost a whole week afterwards.

Zannah's spells of madness can do a lot of harm, but the defense against it isn't so much "willpower" as it is coming to terms with the events of one's past. For past events can be traumatizing in ways, but if one has "come to terms" with them... they've essentially gotten over the trauma that the past then represents. They've accepted that it is there and recognized it... and either noted that that trauma does not control them or took control over that trauma. And that's the big thing where Bane was able to resist the attack. It wasn't so much a question of willpower but the fact that he had long since come to terms with the traumatic events of his own past. Zannah would show him his father or the mines he'd labored in and Bane would let her know that he had long used that past as part of the fuel for his strength and there is no part of his psyche that is haunted by it. And as such, there is nothing for the spell to truly effect beyond some momentary disorientation to recognize the metal illusion... And that would present a different set of problems for Marek. One would be that I don't think he ever had a moment where he was able to come to terms with the things Vader did to him. At least not before he died. Had he lived longer, it could be possible that Kota would have given him some added encouragement and mentorship that would help him overcome that past trauma... but he didn't, which would leave him open to Zannah's spells of madness. The other issue would be rarity of Zannah's skillset by the time of the Empire... Zannah's spells of madness are something that are more a part of "Sith Sorcery" that were present during much of the Old Republic Period and prior to the Battle of Ruusan. In a very lose way... the Sith Sorcerers were akin to the Jedi Consulars... in that they were more focused on the Force and its mysteries than they were on battle and lightsaber combat. Which is in part why so many of Zannah's most powerful abilities are more mental in nature. And prior to the Battle of Ruusan, the Sith were pretty evenly balanced between sorcerers and warriors. And often when they'd be in pairs, one would tend to be more the warrior while the other more the sorcerer... which it Exar Kun's relationship with Ulic Qel-Droma with Qel-Droma being the warrior to Kun's sorcery. However, by the time that Marek was operating... the vast majority of Force users were trained more as Sith Warriors, as that suited the needs of Emperor Palpatine and to a lesser degree Lord Vader. Palpatine may have dabbled in Sith Sorcery to a degree, particularly if we look things like the Dark Empire comics... but with the galaxy in his hands and the Jedi largely extinct, he wasn't as active in the sort of way that people would be attentive to it... and the Jedi Marek faced wouldn't have had comparable training. Thus, much of what Zannah would bring to the table would be an unknown to Marek, even IF he'd come to grips with the traumatic events of his past.

Splitting hairs here, and it’s not important, but, pretty sure Zannah would not be in her mid-30s in DoE, as she was 10-ish when Bane found her, and each book has a 10-year-jump. So yeah, at most EARLY 30s. Physicals: -8:49, it’s always bizarre when you Star Wars versus video KZfaqrs say a thing, and present the source, only to have the source not support what you’ve said. 😅 Zannah never blacked out during that fight with Bane. Unless you have a strange understanding of blacking out. -12:12, what?! 😅 Since when were either Zannah or Marek trained since birth? Maybe SLIGHTLY in the sense of what minimal Jedi training Zannah received as a child, and what minimal Jedi training Galen received as a child from his father. But your framing here easily makes it seem that you’re saying Bane and Vader trained each from birth, which I know you know isn’t true. Just, something you should’ve caught before releasing the video. -Yeah, Galen’s one of the more impressive humans in Star Wars when it comes to stamina and endurance; he obviously takes the physical advantage. Lightsaber combat: -17:20, context is your friend. Bane was only able to disarm Zannah because of: 1. Her injury, and much more of a factor: 2. Much of her focus was being put toward her dark side tendrils at that time, and they defeated Bane before he could strike her down. Without outside circumstances like her tripping over a freshly dug grave (also largely due to her splitting her focus between defending against Bane and charging up her spell of madness), Zannah was able to defend against everything Bane could dish out. So I think you’re underselling her-as most do-as a lightsaber duelist. -17:30, which Jedi in the Duel on Tython fight disarmed Zannah??? I genuinely don’t recall this. I’m assuming it would have been Sarro Xaj, if anyone, but even if this was the case, which I’m not sure it is, an incredibly skilled, battle-meditation-amped Jedi Knight disarming a 10-year-pre-prime Zannah should hardly be used against her when, IN her prime 10 years later, she’s able to defend against everything Bane has in his arsenal of lightsaber combat. -19:00, again, context. Zannah was a bit pressed to end the engagement quickly, and in a kind of state she wouldn’t be in against someone who wasn’t her master. -19:16, not really. Like I said above, a major factor in why she didn’t notice the freshly dug grave she ended up tripping over, was because her attention was already split between defending against BANE, and gathering her energy for one of her spells of madness. Like, it literally expressly states that in the passage too, again that you even supplied! 🤦‍♂️ You should not be making these kinds of amateur mistakes still. Perhaps you’ve improved since years ago, but I don’t think it’s quite enough. -19:30, yeah, it’s almost like they AREN’T inconsistent showings at all, and it’s just that you need to consider and apply context a whole lot more, huh? 😅 -Glad you’re giving Galen his due credit as a duelist; many overlook his dueling prowess by focusing so much on him being a powerhouse in The Force. -28:15-28:23, that was some rough editing there… 😬 -I agree with Galen taking the edge in saber combat, as he is the better all-around duelist, and yeah, he can likely beat opponents in lightsaber combat that Zannah probably couldn’t or at least would have a harder time with. But how it would actually go down in a lightsaber duel between the two of them is that neither would be able to leverage any advantage over the other in a dedicated, purely lightsaber duel. Force: -40:48, what do you mean Bane’s willpower is rarely seen? There are numerous feats/showcases of his willpower throughout each of his 3 books. -40:51, ALSO to consider: the spell of madness Zannah hit Bane with was, essentially, a watered-down version of the spell. She had intended to cast a charged up spell, and she was indeed gathering her power to do that during their fight, but between doing that, and fending off Bane’s onslaught, she didn’t notice the freshly dug grave, and tripped over it, which Bane capitalized on immediately. It took all of her gathered energy to stave off Bane’s offense, and she still suffered a broken rib before managing to disengage and create a lil distance before then casting her spell. In other words, with Bane being prepared to deal with this spell, and with the potency of said spell being as if she just cast it casually with no gathered power behind it, Bane still barely manages to overcome it. In a normal situation, Zannah would have charged up her spell while successfully defending against practically whatever her opponent could throw her way, and then she’d unleash her spell, which, being charged up, would easily overcome even the likes of Bane. -So I’ve struggled to wrap my head around this for years: Ambria is a dark side nexus, but as is established in numerous sources, including Path of Destruction, the dark side of Ambria was sealed away into Lake Natth by Thon, and couldn’t be called upon by dark siders. Yet the text in DoE makes it rather clear that Zannah is manifesting the dark side tendrils from residual dark side energy in Ambria. 🤷‍♂️ The only way I’ve been able to square this so far is that the MAJORITY of what makes Ambria a potent dark side nexus, the dark side energy that ravaged the world due to that nameless Sith sorceress’ ritual-gone-wrong (or right???)… THAT was sealed away by Thon, but Ambria was one of many planets subjected to the horrors of the war (between The Brotherhood of Darkness and The Republic and the Jedi, and later The Army of Light), and felt much pain and suffering. And so Zannah could’ve been pulling from THAT dark side energy, which obviously wouldn’t be as potent, but would still help. Given that though, I think it’s less of a stretch that Zannah could use this bit of Sith sorcery without a dark side nexus… unless of course the spell literally requires one to manifest the tendrils from residual dark side energy from a kind of nexus of it for example. Ultimately, we just don’t have enough examples of the ability, nor do we have enough info on it in general. -42:36, except, as you’ve already touched on in the video, Zannah was tricked into trying to kill Bane with her lightsaber in that fight, not through The Force, so THAT could be the rather obvious explanation for why she didn’t try to utilize her dark side tendrils then. I mean, she also didn’t use her spell of madness in that fight, so… -43:51, ok, a couple things: I haven’t played the video game in forever, but I’m pretty sure what you’re referencing is in the ‘bad’ non-official ending. The non-official ending has less merit. Also, the novelization is considered the most official telling of the events of TFU over the video game and presumably the comic as well, and nowhere in it does Sheev say that to Galen. -Thank you for addressing the star destroyer feat! Too often I’ve seen that feat misinterpreted and blown out of proportion. -A little bit of added info needs to be involved with Galen’s contention with Sidious: it took everything Galen had to do it, including even entering a state of Oneness, and it killed him, whereas Sidious emerged completely unscathed. -Fully agree Zannah takes the edge in The Force. Verdict: 57:01, wait, you think Galen>Bane in lightsaber skill? 😅 I didn’t quite get that that’s what you meant earlier. Bane has Galen beat in every form they both use. Regarding Juyo, which, of the forms Galen was most proficient in, would be his best shot against Zannah’s defense… it’s a tad ridiculous to think Galen’s>Bane in it. Not only is it Bane who gives a freaking treatise on the form in Book of Sith, but in terms of the form’s fundamentals, and how it works, being technical-as you state-isn’t really it. And Bane’s better mastery over anger than Galen would serve him better in Juyo, again, fundamentally. But beyond just Juyo, Bane was a master-level duelist as of PoD, 20 years before his prime. He only further honed his skill in those 20 years. Galen’s easily good enough to challenge Bane and Zannah, but claiming he’s a more refined duelist than Bane is pretty ludicrous. -I 100% agree with the verdict, although I find it to be less close than you seem to think it’d be. 1:02:05, nah, there’s plenty of doubt regarding Marek being the better duelist. Again, if Bane couldn’t penetrate her defenses, what makes you think Galen can? Not only that, but Zannah has 20 years of training to Galen’s 15-ish. -I agree with the overall assessment. Despite some ODD stances you have on certain things and being empirically wrong on some others, this was a step-up from most of the Star Wars versus videos of years ago. I’d say you definitely still have plenty of room to improve though, with probably your biggest and most egregious mistake being you saying things that run in complete contradiction to the sources you’re providing on the screen, or at least that the sources don’t support your claims at all. Like, that’s PRETTY bad. 😬 However overall, plenty of potential. Keep at it (as long as you strive to continuously improve).

Quinlan Vos vs Lucien Draay? Jerec vs Count Dooku?

Good, I’m glad you’re pitting Foundry Revan against Plagueis. Revan Reborn (Revan at his peak in the Revan novel) and Foundry Revan are the best iterations to pit against someone like Plagueis, as the earlier iterations like Revan Redeemed, Darth Revan, and especially Mando Wars Revan is simply too weak to go against Plagueis, and yeah, Shadow of Revan is definitely too much for Plagueis to handle. Physicals: -While I agree with you that Plagueis gets the strength edge, you saying, if Revan could, like, Plagueis, effectively punch through armor, then why didn’t he against the Mandos, is a bit silly. Not only was that a significantly weaker version of Revan, but beskar is ridiculously more durable than just basic ass armor worn by assassins. I get the Maladian Assassins are not to be underestimated and were greatly impressive and noted Jedi-killers IIRC, but I’m pretty sure their armor, unlike the Mandalorians, was nothing of note. -I’m confused as to your reasoning for why Revan wins the speed edge. It seems your reasoning is simply because he won the duel against Yusanis. Like, how exactly does that place Revan>all of Plagueis’ speed feats? especially given how very little info we have on Yusanis. While I could buy the argument for Revan>Plagueis here, it would more so be due to scaling and just how much more powerful he grew between say Revan Redeemed, and Revan Reborn/Foundry Revan (and subsequently his force aug. including speed would also have grown). Yeah, no, reacting to a canon fired is massively beneath casually protecting oneself from 360 degrees of blasterfire from 100 droids. 😅 Feat-for-feat, Revan doesn’t stack up well against Plagueis in regard to physicals. -Definitely agree on the endurance/durability. I think you’re kinda overstating just how much of a hindrance Plagueis’ mask would be, but it’s valid to still consider it a hindrance for Plagueis. Lightsaber combat: -I’m sorry, but what does warfare tactics have to do with skill or even tactics in lightsaber combat? 😅 A tactical mind is a tactical mind, sure, but to hammer home the point much more bluntly, broad warfare tactics are NOT synonymous with fighting tactics (on a much more micro, personal scale). I agree with your verdict that, if anything, Plagueis is the more skilled lightsaber duelist. Force: -While Revan’s mental fortitude against Vitiate while in stasis is plenty impressive , it should be noted that Vitiate wasn’t constantly actively prying Revan’s mind, and, more significantly, Meetra’s force ghost accompanied and aided Revan IIRC, for the longevity of his stasis… So Revan overcoming Vitiate’s mind-control was, IIRC, largely due to distance, and Vitiate not actively maintaining his control over him and Malak far more so than it was Revan actually overcoming it himself… What do you mean Revan “resisted” the combined telepathic attacks from Vitiate and The Dread Masters? IIRC, they weren’t attempting to kill Revan (otherwise why keep him in stasis, ya know?), but to torture him, which they did. I think it’s a bit reductive to say Revan “resisted” their attacks. Also again, he had help in Meetra Surik bolstering his mental defenses as a force ghost. -It was specifically Bane as of the FIRST of three Bane books who considered the rituals from Revan’s holocron so impressive. Bane’s own knowledge would increase dramatically between Path of Destruction and Dynasty of Evil. Incorrect. Bane’s only involvement in The Thought Bomb was giving Lord Kaan the instructions for how to create it. Earlier however, Bane DID enact, with the help of the top Sith of Kaan’s Brotherhood of Darkness, presumably another, unnamed ritual he learned from Revan’s holocron. It created a massive firestorm that threatened to destroy (the surface of) Ruusan. -Plagueis manipulating syringes with TK by microscopic amounts isn’t actually impressive when it’s noted that the creations of holocrons also requires microscopic TK precision. -Revan having access to force powers that are game-specific like whirlwind should not contribute to any kind of edge in combat. Any master of TK should be able to perform the ability. And I think it’s PLENTY fair to assume Plagueis could perform force wound and crush as well. -I agree Revan’s sheer will is something Plagueis can’t overwhelm or even get the better of. However, I also don’t see Revan getting the better of Plagueis with any kind of TP either. -I’m concerned on your framing of the Rule of Two Sith. While it’s true they were in hiding, they were also constantly perfecting themselves (INCLUDING COMBATIVELY), growing stronger over a thousand years. And when their starting point is freaking Bane, who’s already around the level of suited Vader in his prime, possibly even a bit higher, that should speak volumes of around where the end of the RoT Sith, like Tenebrous, Plagueis, and Sidious should be. -To be clear though, I do agree Revan should get the Force edge, but it’s for a reason I’m surprised you barely touched on. As you did mention, Revan knew a good deal of impressive Sith rituals, but you didn’t extend that into arguing that he knew Sith sorcery in general, which would be a kind of weakness for Plagueis due to Darth Gravid destroying most of that kind of knowledge for the rest of the RoT Sith. In other words, it’s Revan’s knowledge of more ancient and esoteric Force abilities that I think grant him the edge here, more than anything else. Verdict/Conclusion: -It’s so cringe how people think Plagueis’ “marionette” feat against Venamis was some special thing. It wasn’t. It was merely good writing for basically saying that Plagueis sunk into Soresu, allowing The Force to dictate his movements rather than expend useless mental energy, and this then allowed him to better recognize and capitalize on Venamis’ opening. -Also, it’s “proDigal” not “proDGigal.” 😅 -Bastila Shan was able to knock back a likely-holding-back, VASTLY pre-prime Revan. Why include that in your overall reasoning for why Plagueis would win? 😂 You don’t actually believe Bastila could do that to Revan circa Foundry, do you? -I AM glad you gave Plagueis his fair credit when it comes to lightsaber combat. It seems many in the Star Wars KZfaq versus video community over the years have consistently lowballed Plagueis in that regard. -Regardless of whom you would’ve said would win, I wouldn’t have taken issue with it. I think you choosing specifically FOUNDRY Revan to go against Plagueis, was the best iteration of Revan to pick, and made for a relatively close match where I could see arguments for either winning. That said, I foresee you potentially catching a lot of flack for not mentioning Revan’s contention with Vitiate, who’s pretty inarguably above Plagueis, and IMO, is the single strongest argument for why, if anything, Revan would win here.

TBH, I think Starkiller at the end of his character arc would survive Zannah's spells. As in, if she cast her strongest one and then left him alone, he wouldn't go into a coma and would break out. Eventually. Not nearly fast enough to stop her form killing him in a duel. I 100% agree that Zannah wins this fight.

More Star Wars Versus Series? Peak. Excited to see this come back

Well, I knew your position the second you said your take on Zannah's spells. Makes me just fill with dread listening to the narrative fight. Which was all the more justified with how far you took the Horror aspect. Not out of character I guess, but not what I'm here for. Still nice to see a new video and I like the mention of the Sith Seaker ability

Yo, great to see you back man. If you're open to versus ideas. How do you feel about a three-way? Shaak Ti vs Raana Tey vs Ahsoka Tano. Three togruta females who represent the Jedi's greatest strengths, weaknesses, and the in-between. They all have incredible force capabilities but are primarily lightsaber users with incredible skills and willpower. I feel like a debate between these three would be quite a fun discussion.

0:00 - 5:28 Character backstory 6:53 Physical abilities 13:57 Martial arts and weaponry 31:40 Force abilities 53:12 Final Verdict

This is the best versus video you had to date, you beautifully told your arguments for both sides. It felt like you really went into this research to find out who would win and I can comfortably say you showed that Versus content isn't dried out in the slightiest. Also you are correct the first Galen is the better one but did not know about that force power kinda cool actually.

I don't think Zannah would kill Marek. Once she saw what he was capable of, I think she would try to break him and make him her new apprentice.

Yeahhh the problem with Starkiller in this matchup is that he's routinely been shown to be vulnerable to telepathic attacks-especially in Force Unleashed 2 if the memory flashes and hallucinations he'd seen during the duel with Vader are interpreted to be direct psychic attacks rather than just horribly inconvenient flashbacks popping up mid-fight. Not only that, but the myriad of visions that he'd been forced to come to blows with against Darth Phobos (who is pretty much a watered-down version of Zannah) in the Wii/PS2 version of the story, the Trial of Insight, and (even as non-canon as it is) Ben Kenobi in the Tatooine DLC for Force Unleashed 1 show that even mind-tricks from suitably powerful Jedi can throw him off his game mid-fight. He's not breaking out battle-mind like Nomi Sundrider, he's not using a Jedi-like zen like Obi-Wan or Luke to work through it, and he's not able to martial his willpower to the extent that Bane or Vader did when faced with these types of visions to dispel them. Galen is forced to try and ride out the effects rather than actively combating them, which isn't going to help when Zannah's able to dredge up all of his trauma and drown him in it once she is able to get a distraction in. I will grant Starkiller this: he would clean house with Rule of Two Zannah given that she was being put under too much pressure by a superior swordsman (Sarro Xaj) to break out her spells until he was distracted by their battle meditation being broken. Given the amount of time that passed between that and Dynasty of Evil, if she is able to break out her spells mid-fight against Darth Bane of all people, then I don't doubt that she could reasonably pull it off against Starkiller. Anyways, tldr, good work as always Rob! Looking forward to the next one.