I did wanna point out the Vsync issue with DLSS FG- I was having this problem in Ghost of Tsushima and haven’t tested in other games too this point. Lmk if u have a different experience and I’ll prolly be testing this in the future

Nvidia Framegen uses AI AMD Framegen uses black magic

I'am glad I didn't upgrade this generation. Thanks to AMD for adding new features to my 3080.

All FSR3 needs is adoption. For every FSR3 implementation, there are 3 to 4 DLSS3 implementations, and not all devs implement it the same. It seems like Nvidia has a much bigger grasp at the market, because even when AMD matches or exceeds Nvidia, they don't get the same support from devs.

I was bothered that my 3070ti laptop would be bad in a few years, now we got FSR and I'm more than happy

Nvidia probably doesn’t want their in-house FG to be that good as it would make newer gen GPU look worse. AMD doesnt care about selling new gen as much as Nvidia, so it makes sense FSR is a higher priority.

8:49 the reason fsr looks choppy on the top half is because of the overlay that pops up. It's treated like a HUD. The area behind the words Fox Den are transparent. FSR frame generation runs HUD elements and on screen overlays at native frame rate. Very noticeable in games with large transparent HUD elements. Such as mini maps, location names, a compass, weapon wheels ECT.

i got 60 fps with a 1050 on a laptop 💀

the FS3 mod on Cyberpunk 2077 is life saving man

Great comparison. FSR 3.1 FG will make DLSS3 FG obsolete. As 3080ti user I'm glad. Nvidia was locking features before for no good reason and DLSS3 FG is another one on the list, AMD proved you don't need some specialized hardware to do good FG.

DLAA + FSR Frame Gen is the best setting for this game.. Edit: I have a 3060 and its giving me around 80 fps (1080p)..

Couple things. DLSS FG is different than FSR3 FG because of how it works. Nvidia is using the OFA to generate the frames, which are part of the encoder engine. The reason why it doesn't generate more frames is because DLSS is balancing delivery to maintain a smooth frametime, FSR3 doesn't do the frame pacing. It just pops the frame out as soon as its done. The higher the FPS gets, the more narrow that delivery time DLSS FG has to get the frame out, so its discarded. DLSS FG is tied to the 40 series because of how it works, its using the OFA. The OFA was upgraded with the 40 series to give it the throughput needed for this. There is a benchmark of the OFA with Ampere and the results are pretty low compared to the 40 series. So if they allowed it on the 30 series, you'd just get lower FPS. Doing an iCAT comparison is pretty silly considering you're not comparing generated frames. You're just comparing normal frames. Its incredibly hard to capture the FG frames. FG doesn't have an IQ hit on non generated frames.

Nvidias excuse to Framegen only works on 40 series is that the newer cards got a huge boost to their optical flow performance. In that case I would expect it to generate more FPS than FSR 3 which runs even on an RX 5700 XT.

Perfect timing, just when I was about to start eating, now I can watch something as well.

How about comparing this with more movement - i.e. camera rotation? Just running in straight line is hardly worst case scenario for frame generation.

Well to be fair DLSS was always a temporary patch. It stood for: Developer's Lack in Software Skill

People used to hate on FG without even testing it, now they have access to it they will know it's actually a great feature, same as DLSS when it launched it got a lot of hate but now every one uses it whenever possible

I have been using Tsushima with FG and i am amazed just how well it works. Unless youre already getting over 100fps at native.. just use it. It does a great job.

Hi! I have a doubt, why that stuttering (when you look around it doesn't move smoothly) when you play with the radeon? I find that much more worrying than the ghosting or definition. Thanks in advance!

for some reason i only have fsr framegen option, even though i have rtx 4070 super, and it just makes it more stuttery and visually it starts to look like it lowered my fps, but the overlay says that it increases it. so i just proceeded to play only with modded dlss 3.7 on balance mode. weird stuff, i wonder if anyone else is having such issues with it.

The studio behind this port is gonna be the first to implement fsr 3.1 in ratchet and crank later this year, seems like they may be testing some of the features.

It does, I was amazed at the performance on my GTX 1070 with FSR

this is just for recreational purposed, but does anyone know the software being used in the top left to see marks during the first 4 minutes?

is it worth buying 3090 ti at this point of time or should i have to wait, currently i have 2080 ti

Yes, you are right, DLSS is Legacy, the future is in a more flexible technology, open to all platforms not just Nvidia. Nice video . Thank you

Cat didn't block your view, cat just brought you my like under the video!

I was using no upscaler and just FSR anti aliasing because I heard native is better, or should I use upscales? I still get around 100 fps with no upscaled what do you guys think?

Great comparison, appreciate the tech updates. Thumps up 👍

There was never a reason why frame gen is exclusive to RTX 40 series when all of AI and optical flow hardware is available on all RTX GPUs.

If Nvidia betrayed everyone with a 30 series GPU and is constantly locking new features behind new graphics cards, meanwhile AMD makes things available for everyone (inlcuding FSR upscaling and now FSR 3 with frame gen)... Then support AMD and buy their GPU's people. If you don't buy AMD's stuff, we may arrive at a point when they stop giving us that "free stuff" that works on everyone's GPU. I'm here to tell you I have an AMD gpus and I don't regret it - they work great (RX 7900 xtx + a RX 6650 XT).

Can they implement fsr 3 frame gen with other games like cyberpunk while having rtx 3080 dlss

What anti aliasing you using? Also you can cap the frame rate with DLSS FG. You have to do it in control panel, but it works.

3070ti here, so this is huge! the colour on the fsr looked close to the native too, the dlss was a lot brighter. that maybe just settings i dont know for sure.

Honestly, well played AMD

So, how many frames i can get from switching to fsr ? Cyberpunk, 4090 laptop

Have they fixed the issue with HUD/overlay/transparent running at native fps with fsr3? I don't care for frame gen as whole since I play single player games and 60fps is perfectly fine for me.

It's like AMD are paying more attention to devalue Nvidia's latest generation, than they are making their own high performance, functioning hardware.

As some media such as Computerbase and PCGH report, the game uses a preliminary version of FSR3.1

What is that bottom latency OSD?(the one he turns off on 1:46)

FSR3 has screen tearing around individual elements and fuzz.. am I seeing things ?

I think that DLSS FG gives you around 165 FPS because some configuration either on your graphics card or some other program limits the FPS to 165 since I assume the refresh rate of your monitor is 165Hz, on the other hand, FSR 3 FG disables this FPS limitation and that's why it gives you more FPS. If you find and disable this FPS limitation, DLSS FG will also give you almost 200 FPS

Np cap, used FSR 3 and frame gen on Ghosts of Tsu with a 1060 and had way more than 60 fps. Did the same recently on Cyberpunk with a FSR 3 mod. Got above 60 fps constantly. AMD taking Ws

Should i use fsr 3 in game or an application like lossless scaling for this game

I'm on a 3060 Ti and when I try to use DLSS quality+AMD Frame Gen my game crashes after a minute. I can see and feel the higher fps but it always crashes after a minute. Anyone know how to fix this? My game runs around 60-65fps with just DLSS quality during gameplay and in the 70s during cutscenes.

"DLSS Frame Generation will be Obsolete" Everyone is guessing and being bored at this point no one knows what nv will do but they will improve on it. They going to find ways for you to buy the 5090 and improvements will be made across the board. I can see DLSS 4 , A new version of frame gen along with good enough specs to make the 5090 look better over the 4090 . So Obsolete? I highly doubt it

I have AMD 7800X3D and RX7800 XT and game keeps crashing with some graphics bug even with most recent drivers. I tried all combinations of graphics setting, TAA, FSR and framegen on/off. Still keeps crashing. I read some forums and other people has this problem as well even with nvidia gpus. I hope they patch the game soon, because it is a really good title I want to play. But not now.

If im not mistaken AMD FSR introduces input lag, right? Also for nvidia cards, v-sync should be turned on in nvidia CP and disabled in-game for gsync to work properly.

Y’all I’m tryna upgrade my cpu/gpu I play fps games wats the best budget combo I can go for ??

What we're likely seeing here is the reason _why_ DLSS FG isn't available on 30 series GPUs, as even the 40 series is struggling to generate frames at high frame rates. See with FPS in games as the number of FPS increases, the *time between frames decreases.* What this means is that when your NVIDIA GPU is generating frames the algorithm it's using has _less_ time to generate the in between frames. The ML algorithm that's running is likely not tuned to generate frames when there's _tons_ of frame data already, so it's doing more work than is necessary to construct new frames. There's plenty of data it can pull from but it's taking _too long_ to generate a new frame and by the generated frame is created, the regular CUDA hardware has already finished rendering many, _many_ new frames ahead of it. Making the in between frame worthless as we're already well past that in between frame. There's likely a fix for this, changing the way frame data is gathered and _when_ the in between frame is placed, but it could also be that the Tensor Cores in the 4070 just can't keep up with the CUDA cores _no matter what._ Frame smoothing technology has existed for _fucking forever,_ it's been in our TVs since the start of the past decade. Frame generation technology is quite similar, but we want less smear and more clarity and have the hardware to back such complex algorithms (There isn't a RTX 4070 in your TV exactly). So... AMD were pretty much already dealing with a _solved problem._ NVIDIA decided the best way to tackle this was to use deep learning. Well it turned out the deep learning approach didn't work out quite as well as it did with DLSS. “An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity" -Terry A. Davis

May you made this comparison where you use frame gen from a lower framrate

how do I use it? Do i need to download an AMD app?

what ryzen cpu gets frame generation?

I wouldn't mind if we got FSR FG on every game if it meant we actually got FG in every game. Even if I didn't _need_ it, it's still appreciated when playing on high refreshrate monitors. But don't make me use FSR upscaling, that shit looks terrible in motion, give me DLSS or give me nothing.

the gpu side of tech has been quite the fireball innit, an evolving fireball, but a fireball regardless

New to the pc gaming world and looking to build my first rig, still confused about a lot of things but based off of this video should I go 4070 ti super or 7900xt?? Would appreciate any suggestions.

Can someone explain me why the are color/contrast difference between those 2 comparisons ?

I've seen that many games with FSR 3 they show like 30 or 60 additional frames than DLSS 3. But if you see a comparison between both in slow motion it looks like DLSS 3 is much much smoother than FSR 3. Not in this case since they look very similar

DLSS 3 + FSR3 FG best combo so go get a 4070Ti Super LoL

On which display are you playing?

I'm pretty sure vsync is working on Nvidia frame gen if it's turned to "on" in the control panel, as when I'm using it in Starfield it stays locked just below my 120hz display and I don't have any screen tearing. Might need to force it in control panel.

Everyone should try lossless scaling frame generation. Works on every video card and every game. It's surprised me how good it is now.

I can see well the difference by slowing down to 25, FSR is definitely smoother then DSSL! Your effort you took to show us is incredible! Thanks for your work and information you sharing with us! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹

Can somebody explain why this AMD feature is a big thing for Nvidia cards? I want to use FSR3 on my 6700xt but I can only use it on certain games.. how can I use it on a title like Microsoft flight simulator?

at 8:30 what's happening is the section where the ui element is overlayed onto the screen they stop it being interpolated so it doesn't look garbled

6:55 DLSS has a smudgy blur to it, always had. even with the sharpening applied. it improved version by version but in essence it is there still.

I bought an rx 7800 xt to upgrade from my 3070. I was using dlss I’m most games but now I use fg (in the drivers) and it looks really good. It is sometimes blurry when it comes to texts but the rest is sharp. Couldn’t be happier.

can u do the hack of just dragging 3.1 fsr files into the game directory to use the better version?

at 6:45 you see DLSS discards nearby flying particles (behind the back) while FSR keeps them but doesn't seem to add good frames so it looks a bit chopier but closer to the original.

if your horse is not named sora, thats a huge L vex

Me who just bought an AMD card when everyone else has asked me to get Nvidia for the past month: 😁

i ha seens some test's in ghost of TSUSHIMA and the fsr3 in arc and amd gpu (A770 and 7600) have visible and noticiablle frame pacing issues the 4060 with DLSS3 run smoth. maybe this can be patched but still...

I think the tearing might be from the transparent HUD element drawn over the scene.

dude this is just stupid nvidia sucks, my next pc is gonna be only amd

The thumbnail is misleading. This video is misleading, using one game that's an outlier is nasty work. The rest of the video I have no problem with.

Very informative thanks for the video. I thought the upgrade was necessary.

To my surprise the disocclusion on the flask was even better on FSR than DLSS which was quite artefacty. Also the chopping we saw later is due tu how FSR FG handle UI: as a zone excluded from FG. We can see quite easily the virtual rectangle that is choppy whereas just above and below it is smooth.

Hello Vex, i watch your videos and would like to ask you to make video DLAA vs DLSS 3.1, because i couldnt find real fair comparison in the internet

Unfortunately turning on frs 3 frame gen with my 3080 in the games loader causes the game to immediately crash with an error if i enable fsr3 in game it works however it causes alot of delay and lag when fast travelling and often crashes when fast travelling. They need to fix it.

Love your videos

Wait you can't use dlss on 3000 series graphics cards?

The thing is that AMD is only a frame interpolation, on nvidia DG is on the gane engine and calculates movement vectors and has less input lag

Thank you for your awesome content. Please make a video about lossless scaling! 🎉

Funny enough, I've been playing GOT with a 3080 using FG. In fact, ive played half of the time at 7680*1440 which is triple 1440P via Nvidia Surround using DLSS balanced and FSR FG combined. I still get 80-120fps. Some of the most glorious visual experience in my decades of gaming. Can't wait for FSR 3 frame gen to be adopted in more games. May be able to hold on to my 3080 a few more years.

vex i can tell a differenc in the dlss 3.7 fg every time the right arm comes back then forwards has a decent amount of stutter to it while from fsr 3 fg there is no noticble amount of stutter or lag from the arm swinging back and forth since im on a 240hz monitor. and dlss 3.7 fg on grass looks a bit laggy as well like a 1.0 sec stutter when fsr fg is extremey smooth on the grass

how much fps do u need my lord hes like at least 500fps

Hmmm, I missed the part where fsr works directly withthe game engine to produce more frames in game, and not creating images between frames after everything is rendered... I really don't see how dlss will be replaced tbh

HOW TO DISPLAY PC LATENCY?? i still not have the answer... plzzzzzzzzz helllp i know there are PCL meters for FG but is there no fucking PCL monitoring method to see overall PCL?!

Hi, what about DLSS mod on older GPUs.

But what about when there's an overload of action on your screen and not walking calmly

Impressive really, it makes me remember about freesync vs g-sync

Using frame generation with any upscaler? Lossless Scaling been doing that and it's great so far. And I heard it's better than FSR3 mod too, not sure if it's comparable to properly implemented FSR3 in-game

Should i buy the rx 6750XT or rtx 4060ti 8gb or rtx 3060 ti ??

I use VSync through the NVCP and don’t have any issues with DLSS or FG. For instance, when I set my refresh rate to 120 Hz, FG will then cap my framerate to 116 in-game.

Hi, to enable vsync with nvidia FG you need to enable the vsync via NVDIA app for the game or global, it works perferctly.

Nice with Ghost of Tsushima and Minecraft music in the background ;)

Viewing this on my phone, but the DLSS FG/left side looks significantly more blurry than FSR/right side. Right side looks quite a bit better from what I'm seeing.

Very nice work

Vex you're so cool thanks for the video 👍

Playing on an alienware aw3423dwf, oled 34 inch ultrawide monitor with hdr, a rtx 4070 super, the game looks gorgeous, i even forget i'm playing a game sometimes

Dude, you are almost at 75K. You were just at 500...75K means you actually have a real job as a creator now. Like make enough money to _get by_ level of employment! Congrats kiddo, you basically made it. For reference, I remember when hardware Unboxed was at 75K, a decent amount behind _"Tech Yes City"_ at the time with whom he used to do a weekly podcast with in 2017. So that obviously means in 7 years you'll have a couple million subs and a _"Yes Man"_ partner (kidding, Tim's cool...and doesn't hate VA panels bc he knows they are awesome for single player games)! Good luck, and yep, more games should 100% add FSR frame gen to their games.