I think Alan Wake 2 was made with ray tracing in mind because of how big the role of light and shadow is to the game's theme. Maybe you can check that out? It also uses DLSS 3.5 with ray reconstruction and everything.

I am with AMD for their openness and linux compatibility. But I do get FOMO everytime I see NVIDIA release better tech and I need to wait for AMD to catch up

small correction on 11:35, DLSS 3.5 does not always include all the parts, and older 20 and 30 series cards can run DLSS 3.5 with no access to frame generation. DLSS 3.5 refers as you said to the newest toolkit of DLSS options, including the new ray reconstruction all on 20 and 30 series GPUs, but only 40 series can turn on frame generation.

1:23 I love how similar this looks to a picture taken from a DSLR at high ISO. Goes to show how accurately this technology mimics reality.

I love your deep dives into tech like this, you have such a good way of presenting the information!

Reallly think NVIDIA should rename their thing to like "NVIDIA DL-Game Enhancement Suite" With DLSS Super Resolution, NVIDIA Frame Generation, and DLSS Ray Reconstruction, NVIDIA Reflex, and heck, maybe even NVIDIA Image Scaling as the named features within it.

It'd be really interesting if you could make a similar analysis in Alan Wake 2 which to me, seems like an overall better implementation of raytracing and ray reconstruction. Thanks for this video anyway, always a pleasure to watch your work !

Honestly for all the hate on Nvidia, it is easy to forget the massive investments and advancements they are bringing to AI and gaming. Whether people like it or not, this is the way gaming and many industries are headed and Nvidia are way ahead

dude your videos are so simple to understand it makes me feel smart

Man, this video is so good. The in-depth is so much better than any other video I've seen! I just found your channel! Easy subscribe!

What I find interesting is that I never liked sharpening on the monitor, but when I used it in VR (in DCS using reshade), it was an absolute game changer. Everything suddenly looked a lot more realistic and - well - sharper.

Well deserved sponsorship from both parties IMHO! You obviously deserve it for all the amazing things you do, but Nvidia (I'd argue "for once") also deserves it for managing to ship a technology that stands up to _your_ level of scrutiny, very good match :-)

Great video. You really should have included a rainy shot, it’s insane how much of an improvement ray reconstruction is during rain. I didn’t even realize the reason I thought cyberpunk looked bad in the rain was the denoisers absolutely sabotaging upsampling.

Pathtracing without denoiser is pretty much how I see irl, except it's less noticeable. Just like pathtracing, it becomes more obvious in dark. People with visual snow syndrome would understand exactly what I mean.

Very impressive.. From earlier 3.5 examples, it didn’t seem like such a big deal, but this is substsntial imo. Great showcase!!

I appreciate that you took the time to point out that while the path tracing and ray tracing methods available can certainly look superior, they may obstruct the thematic tone or style artists are trying to convey, as I think that's going to be a difficult line for devs to walk until everything is completely compatible with that tech.

This is very exciting, just one more step towards full photorealistic games at playable fps.

That was the best "ad" I've seen in a long time, thanks for the vid!

Upgraded recently to RTX 4080 laptop and the performance in all games is just insane.

13:05 Except non-Nvidia users of other vendors who won't be allowed to use their proprietary technology and will have to develop and implement their own alternatives in every game as ray-tracing becomes "StAnDaRd" and games become designed around it. BOY i can't wait for every game to LOOK and preform differently on every vendor, this is sure to be a good thing for the industry, "interoperability"? "direct comparisons"? who needs those? no no no i want to be locked in an "ecosystem" where basic features the game *relys* on to look good are held from me unless i buy the "correct" hardware! WHAT A BRIGHT FUTURE!

This is absolutely insightful of the inner working of DLSS 3.5, great stuff bro.

i would love to see a game like kena: bridge of spirits, or a kingdom hearts game with full on path-tracing and RR. i think it would fit the visuals really well as these types of games tend to go for the offline cg render look

I haven't noped out of a video this quickly in a long time. Thanks for being upfront about the paid sponsorship, though.

I really really appreciate that you mention directly that this is a sponsored video and you are one of the few creators I trust still being honest.

I did always wonder where the ghosting came from when I played this game. And what happened to the shadows further away. I've always played with raytracing on, because it's basically THE game to play with it. Now I know why that was happening.

one of the most serious toned videos 2kliksphilip has put out and i love it

This is impressive, it helps with a lot of the issues I noticed when playing cyberpunk originally with rt

Wow this is impressively thorough. Really apprecaite it, thanks

I'm glad you're still making videos 2kP!

I hope nvidia paid a fartton of money for this video, because it's probably the best explained video for DLSS 3.5 and it has the most easy to understand comparisons I've seen yet

Ray reconstruction is getting rid of some of the ghosting, but is adding a lot of new

I'm playing on a 4070 with path tracing. When I use dlss 3.5 the reflections and qualities are definitely better, but very ghosty. Without RR the quality is slightly less clear, but DRAMATICALLY less blurring. I've been playing PL without 3.5 because the ghosting is just too much. Hopefully this can be fixed soon as most people simply don't use it. Very informative and great video.

gamers: WE WANT 60FPS MINIMUM AND UNLOCKED. nvidia and amd: RAYTRACING!

Dennis's blog on Teardown shows how important when it comes to natural path tracing implementetions and burden of denoisers in general

This game went from crysis pc melter meme to literal rendering sandbox. Its crazy how much the look of this game changed from release and with how much you can change it now. And its almost all lighting related

thanks for posting this, especially showing all of the artifacts that come with RT and upscaling. people look at me like i'm crazy when i tell them i don't want to play my games with ghosting, tiny black bugs on every surface or noisy shadows which pop-in as you walk up to them. now i have a concise reference to show them exactly what i mean. playing portal rtx for myself has changed my mind on the technology. it's certainly not worth the 98-99% reduction in framerate in older games like quake 2 and portal without more major improvements like this. as you showed with your comparisons, it definitely makes screenshots look more realistic but it detracts from the intended experience - even on a $2000 USD graphics card. RTX branding is 5 years old now and it feels like there's only one desktop graphics card which is even remotely close to making the technology worth the development time.

This was useful for understanding the technology. Thank you.

Great video, very well explained!

GET THAT BAG PHILIP

Thank you for the explanation. This has benefited me a lot

The one dealbreaker for me (at least in cyberpunk 2077 currently) is the oily upscaled oversharpened look. He even talks about this at 4:45

A note regarding Control, the developer who made the HDR mod for Control has also added in it a high fidelity option for ray tracing which doubles the number of rays, halving performance but reducing noise significantly - and also he's not opposed to adding DLSS 3.5 support as well but _first_ someone would need to donate him a 4000 series card to work on that... in case anyone has a spare RTX 4000 card laying around 😐

Excellent video! Please do more.

honestly if the noise was more stable, it wouldn't look too bad

This was an incredible video, I hope nvidia is paying you a pretty penny for this detailed analysis

DLSS has had a very interesting development history. Aside from gpu politics, Nvidia engineers are really doing something great here. The Finals has been a great ray tracing experience with RTGI, and it also performs incredibly well. RTGI really does impress in that game with how dynamic everything is, now the lighting can play catch up. No awkward color switching when objects are destroyed, everything is consistent, which makes the action on screen more believable and more immersive. It's almost how I felt when playing Portal RTX or Cyberpunk with PT, tho those two titles impress for doing something never done before.

Excellent video ! Rendering tech is fascinating, even if you're not into video games.

oh this is COOL, I just watched the RTX video on dying light 2, and it got me really excited for what raytracing does, because I just purchased a 4080 Super, but now seeing that the technology has also improved its performance and clarity?! Im even more excited!!

One interesting aspect is that you can enable Ray Reconstruction (through config file edits) even when not using the proper PATH tracing - just Ray Tracing. It offers a big quality bump, without having to run full Path tracing. Yes, there are some artifacts. Worth it imho.

The Talos Principle 2 releases tomorrow, and I hope you're as excited for it as I am.

I wouldn't have known this was a sponsored video if you didn't mention it. That's a good thing, well done!

This is the best ad I've ever seen

Am I the only one that loves when Phillip uploads a computer graphics video

It's called DLSS 3.5 because it's a chronological addition to the "dlss package" that way, games can display their "dlss version" to players, and we instantly understand what set of features are supported out of the "package"

i love when you make videos like this

Thanks for the ad, was worth watching /s

great video philip!

2023 and the raytracing still needs so many gimmicks just to look decent on a 4090 lol

Hello, completely off topic -- I hope you play and make a video about the Talos Principle 2! I really enjoyed it and would love to hear your thoughts on it. Your video on the first game did more than enough to convince me to play that game, and I loved it. So I appreciate that a lot already :) well wishes to you!

Kliks "take a look at these plants" philip

The more technical videos I see of pathtracing/ raytracing, the more impressive I find old-style rasterization. I appreciate it takes a significant amount of time for developers to create scenes with the correct lighting, and that raytracing offers the possibility of more rapidly creating a realistically lit environment, but in so many of these comparisons I really don't find raytracing to look very much better than rasterized graphics.

RT Psycho does not add more rays to the existing effects; rather, it simply adds one more RT effect, which is a single light bounce from the sun/moon direct lighting.

That non-de-noised image is a cool effect for radioactivity. Could you imagine an RTX remix of Fallout 3 or New Vegas that does that?

>Philip posts video >Day gets a little bit better :)

I really hope nvidia paid you well for this. You absolutely deserve it for not doing cs gambling site promotions instead.

Did you really trick Nvidia into paying you to make a video that you were going to make anyway? And they even let you make fun of the DLSS naming scheme. Well done, it didn't feel like a sponsored video at all.

The ghost blobs after moving objects on screen were very immersion breaking, like UE’s screen space reflections that reflect your hands on distant lakes etc. glad that’s gone!

Wow, this is actually really cool. The foliage under those lights is amazing!

EDIT 1: mess around with DLSS tweaker and adaptive PT for better results ;) EDIT 2: I managed to reduce the noise by making the sharpness 0 and DLDSR smoothness 100 while using DLSS I don't know how you didn't notice RR's biggest flaw which is oily streets (especially outside Dogtown) and noisy lighting on character models while using DLSS upscale no matter the quality of it, it's the biggest turn off for me because you spend most of the time talking to characters and driving/walking around. Best thing to do for me at least for now is using FSR 2 (since it's a post processor and doesn't ruin the quality of PT) + PT with no RR. Also maybe because I'm using DLDSR, it's not behaving well with RR, but I did notice it too on my native resolution (1080p). Sadly RR isn't perfect for now, so pick your poison.

Great video, fantastic tech and where's the cat? Oh wait that's the other guy...

I do strongly believe 0 sharpness is the way for the best naturally looking image. When you remove it from both FSR and DLSS in comparisons, they look nearly identical

I never played a game with raytracing on myself and I wasn't even aware of all the issues and artifacts with raytracing that ray reconstruction solves. But now knowing of all these issues makes me want to try ray tracing even less because with DLSS 3.5 you're foreced to upscale which comes with it's own issues and artifacts. I feel just normal rasterization without any upscaling is still superior, even if the lighting looks a bit worse.

Sat out 7 years of CPU and GPU Upgrades until I recently made the switch from an i9 9900KF / GTX 1080 Ti combo to a now i9 13900KF / RTX 4090 one... Cost me about an arm and a leg ( new MB, new RAM, new PSU, new AIO Cooler, etc... ) but man was it worth it... Playing Cyberpunk 2077 in its full glory was a treat as is playing any other game I skipped during that time that would have required an RTX Card to shine in their full glory...

"We can have things like that now", yeah right, maybe for people with infinite budget

Are we finally getting mirrors back in modern games 😳

Pathtracing is coming far! I wonder what it will look like in 10 years.

What they've accomplished in Alan Wake 2 is incredible. RR there produces much more visually coherent image, to the point that I don't even feel like I'm using DLSS. In Cyberpunk it's not the case. However, I haven't tried the latest patch, maybe they've improved it.

I believe part of what gaming as a whole to be less entertaining is this attention to small details... It robs the mind of space and time to connect with the game itself or the story.

I don't mind some visual noise and a little ghosting in a single player game, but before DLSS 3.5 it was WAY too much, especially in some areas where it was like a disco.

One of the things ray/path tracing should do in the future is 1. Reduce game size 2. Reduce dev time 3. As it already does, improve visuals

4:57 what did he mean by that? How do you reduce it? Is it alongside setting the sharpness to 0 you render at a higher res? Am i correct? And i didnt quite understand him, is that a drawback of RR? ray tracing? DLSS (upscaling part)? The game as a whole? I dont get it. Where does the "smoothed but sharpened" image come from? How can you get the ultimate image with no drawbacks? I know this is a sponsored vid, but it would have been nice to learn more about RR. Since its the most confusing part of DLSS due to it being a black box.

i've used DLSS in several different games such as Cyberpunk, SCP5K, Ready or Not, and Dying Light 2 and it really doesn't feel like it has all that of a substantial effect on the graphics. all that it seemingly does is replace anti-aliasing. when set to Performance mode it'll also lower the resolution. it really doesn't feel like it has as great of an effect as companies would want you to believe unless you have a 40xx series NVIDIA card that can run Pathtracing alongside Ray Reconstruction without making the game run at like 20FPS. also in the case of Cyberpunk the Screen Space Reflections from RTX can actually caused character's skin to sheen terribly when exposed to pure sunlight, usually in a open desert environment.

Problem is, some stuff that would have been easy to do even 20 years ago in first Unreal Engine - like bathroom mirrors don't need "ray reconstruction" for real to even look good enough, which is Nvidia's another way "pulling ahead of the competition", since games like Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 are clearly only made with the Nvidia tech in mind, when normal mirrors don't even work without Ray reconstruction at all and some reflections just make it all grainy otherwise. Yeah I know old engines had to use a lot of cheating and stuff, but some of the ambient lighting can all be done in software too, like on Unreal 5's lumen which at the moment makes the Path tracing kinda meh thing to have for general use, when less than 5% of the gamers can use it without performance being abysmal. When I played Jedi survivor on my 7900XTX I didn't need to turn RT on, since the software implementation on overall lightning was otherwise fantastic. On Alan Wake 2 however, it looks so bad in comparison when your normal reflections are just grainy POS or don't work at all (some mirrors only show white color and don't reflect anything back). Nvidia's sponsored games really force you to use those Nvidia features, as without some of the stuff at the game just looks and is just supbar in terms on quality and tech. Like you can't even choose your Anti-aliasing options, so blurry TAA from the scaling of DLSS or FSR has to be used, which is probably the single biggest reason for ghosting artifacts... And to get rid of them you need the nvidia tech again. Clever way to make everything else look kinda bad in comparison. To be fair Jedi survivor had forced FSR too, which had the ghosting issues, but at least the game worked OK otherwise without the need for hardware RT. To me Path tracing is the future sure, but not in the current or next generation even. Too many compromises have to be made for it to work really good, and if the time to implement that RT/PT support would have been drawn to other parts of faking the effects, you'd probably have good enough looking game with no performance issues at all.

Can't wait to use this in 1 of the 1000+ games I own

So what would be the best visual experience? DLAA or DLSS with ray reconstruction enabled or native resolution?

Fizzing is a really good word to describe that.

The non digital sharpness of nonrt mixed with the lighting of rt would be perfect

How do you enable raw path tracing mode ?

aaaa nice ad for nvidia, i already wanted to buy a 4070 but now i was remembered of it.

the visual noise is exactly how our eyes see the world, can't see the any problem with that.

You can add DLSS 3.5 to most games with DLSS support manually. Just download the latest version and over right the old one in the games files.

I understand why you didn't do it here but a comparison to AMD denoising would be great in another video.

Wow all these settings most people will turn off.

I love this channel

my cpu broke and i was forced to go from a ryzen 5 4600G to a ryzen 3 2200G but my gpu is an RTX 4060. i beat cyberpunk with pathtracing and ray reconstruction because it was the best performance surprisingly. otherwise the game loaded too much to my cpu which was a bottleneck causing stutters. i talk going from a stuttery 30-45 fps to a smooth 50-60 also with DLSS on auto

Something you didn't mention is that Path Reconstruction changes the lighting on NPCs faces in a bad way. They look like plastic, or oily, I'm not sure how to describe it.

As part of the AMD gang i took great offence towards this youtube video!

I've noticed it in a few games and never said anything about it, or really let it bother me but here lately it seems bad in cyberpunk. What in the world is the ghosting on every moving object? Such as when you're driving a car in 3rd person. Behind the car is a ghost of the cars back end. When traffic is driving by, etc. I've always looked at this as a game engine issue, is that accurate?

great video

Man's gotta eat but it's trully sad that they got to o'l Phil... Also, DLSS 3.5 still feels like a beta, it completely deletes shadows in Alan Wake 2 to the point where half the fences don't project shadows.