A soft truth for _their_ fragile ego's

This!

Isn't it beautiful? We've taught the whole world resilience and grace under fire.

The true blueprint. Makes me proud.

i mean asian minoritys exsist in america too that participated in voguing with the queer scene in the us too. but i could be wrong

I'm at work tearing up watching this.

Obviously this horrible for the youth.

@@Whitejesselink what is?

Picturing some dude watching this and crying from joy is the gayest thing one can imagine lol 😆😂 thank you

Lmao…China has a ban on feminine men? 😂😂

It’s in Shanghai bro🤣

@@captainprototype755 Hi captain prototype, the ophthalmology department is on your right hand, thank you, next

@@eikosai3573 fair enough XD

@JIM DIM You're doing exactly what their speaking against

@JIM DIM Dude shut up, even if that was the case *HIS FEELINGS ARE STILL VALID IN THIS MOMENT*. Don't fucking tell him what he is or isn't. Let him just be comfortable in his own journey. And that's coming from someone in the LGBTQIA+ Community.

Yes you can be feminine and be straight i feel like straight men feel they always have to be masculine which is annoying

Well Black people created it. It shouldn’t be a surprise that what we do influences the whole world.

@@Orbt_ True dat!

Asian where

Black ballroom culture has reached China, wow. Black people may be at the bottom of the barrel in other areas but we are truly the inaugurators of mainstream/pop culture and this often goes unnoticed no credit is given.

@@Shermar this was common in Shakespeare plays where a young boy would play a remake because female were not allowed to perform. And in Japan, the first geishas were male called taikomochi.

@@Shermar I'm Chinese and can attest to this as I've learnt this in school as part of the culture module. But it is hard finding English information on Chinese Opera history it seems. If you are interested, you can search for 男旦 (male, female opera character). But this depends heavily on the government policy, as the Chinese culture/Confucianism doesn't prohibit female acting and it's not frowned upon, (although performing in general is frowned upon as an occupation in the old days). So Baidu's encyclopedia on this says the Qing government (Manchurian government) banned male and female performing together and temporarily banned female performers all together whereas they were often the performing leads in thousands of years prior. This carried to the 1930s in Hong Kong when the mixed gender ban was lifted (Wikipedia on Cantonese Opera in the Chinese lang). So the correct statement should be women weren't allowed to perform with males on stage in China since the Qing dynasty (1600s-1900s), so female characters were often performed by male. But extending on the LGBTQ subject, the strong discrimination towards queer people really came from the West where it was thought to have been a type of sickness. There had been gay Chinese emperors. Some idioms and saying did came from them. And there had been male looking for male prostitutes and other more gender fluid acts well documented in poems and paintings. But getting married to the same sex goes against Confucianism, so there's that. It conflicts with the idea of "continuation of the family blood line" and "passing on your work/occupation to your son".

@@Shermar understandable, I don’t think it rlly think it matters who did it first because it existed differently in every culture. Though ofc the black and brown community is the pioneer of modern drag. The word Drag is derived from those Shakespeare plays though.

@@Shermar Well unfortunately, that reply was quite rude as well. I'm just telling my personal experience in learning this matter, and everything I've said below is research and you can verify this by Google Translating Chinese pages and looking for sources from the encyclopedia sites for the source literature. Yes, the statements are cited from books and articles. There's a limit on how many words a person is willing to put into a KZfaq comment and I've done what I was willing at the time. If you are interested, I've already given you a foreign search term and what objectives to look for. That was the point of my comment.

@@Shermar I don’t understand the need to be rude in our interaction since I never disrespected you in our convo. You simply asked the source of the original comment and I decided to elaborate on what I know related to it, I wasn’t disproving your point. I’m Ghanian and I know there’s a history of cross dressers in our culture but it doesnt mean we were the first. Its frivolous and childish to find who did it first because phenomenons can exist simultaneously and unrelatedly. The only thing we can go off now is modern drag. Which we know the word came from Shakespeare’s plays and the black and brown people in NY gave a rise to it.

What's your take on the recent policy on "fighting against male feminization and other immoral trends in media"?

@@fryingpancakes8445 I think the policy is not only very unkind to marginalized people, but also heavily ignorant of the places from which the CCP draws their supposedly superior morals. In this case, it actually dates back to European and American imperialism during the Century of Humiliation (between First Opium War and end of WW2). Christian missionaries influenced Chinese society, which used to be much more tolerant to homosexuality and male femininity, into thinking that such things were immoral. The CCP, which soon took power from the KMT over mainland China after WW2, has always claimed to fight against imperialism, but this is one of the issues it has ironically sided with imperialists on since the very beginning. By now, the CCP, and even just Chinese society in general, are only anti-imperialist in name. They have not only fallen to the influences of capitalism, white supremacism, and Christian morality, but China has even begun trying to establish itself as an imperialist world power. Therefore, for everything I've explained above, I think that what they claim about modern LGBTQ+ movement being "western influence" is an utterly hypocritical statement.

@@AquaHeart Ancient China back then was also rather imperialistic in its approach, just with more culture, but yes, it's culture does not discriminate against homosexuality and male femininity, as it equated lust for the same sex and lust for the different sex as under the sins of lust, without distinguishing one another.

谎言!

@@AquaHeart 得了吧你。你们男同性恋是最歧视娘炮的。一堆0对这个新闻都笑开花了吧。

Unless when they going political... they will really ban it like valun dafa.

@@sn5301679 this might sound crazy to you but cults usually get banned.

@@yotub5979 in china, its doesnt need be a cult. Even a game or chat forum can be banned when start talking about politics.

much love dear❤❤❤❤

💖

Yesssss

Yes😥

He would be in the front row. Ugh. RIP.

I hope you get sent to a reeducation camp in Xinjiang province

@@brianwalsh9595 dude look at yourself, tells me everything I need to know about you

Same! I'm shocked!

i meqn gays arw everywhwre but yee

@@dotdotdotdotdotdotdottod like we know there are gays in China obviously our rainbow reach is vast but I think most of us still think gays in china are forced to be closeted and don’t have public spaces but this video made me so happy 😊

@@ThePeteSandoval well the ccp made that clear years ago🤧

@@ThePeteSandoval Well many are still closeted because many middle-aged and older people (especially parents) are very conservative. But they’re still well connected online and in underground bars etc. Hopefully when Xi Jinping and his entourage dies in 20-30years, new progressive people can rule this beautiful country and let the people be themselves. China‘s youth is very different even when they can’t say it loudly, and that gives me lots of hope :)

Unfortunately I think you may be right

The Shanghai scene will probably last longer than the Beijing scene.

It'll be region locked. Thank goodness for VPN's.

with stuff like this they only really crack down when the government is taking a look at the city like when a ccp official is in town you will see all the prostitution just stop for a week or two and ramp back up when he left again

I have to agree with BaZi when he said that they might have to go deeper underground but they are here to stay as long as people feel free here. LGBT community has always been resilient when faced with adversity. Tbh…looks they are going along the same track as we were here in the US. I wish them all the best.

Thank you for your cool gifts. From the bottom of our hearts.

YES AND THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU from the Philippine Ballroom scene ❤❤❤

It's underground is the point.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ob18mdiWm7TWoWQ.html yeah not for long this video was probably taken in Taiwan wherw it is allowed, Taiwan is an independent nation that china claims as its own and canells anyone who says it isn't, Taiwan was never part of China and never will be, Mainland China even Censored male actors wearing earings and and removes all movies with Actors that identify as Gay, Ooh cant wait for the chinese bots and Wumao(50Cent Army) to be here, youll see them in a sec

@VoguingShanghai damn man Love to hear how far Taiwan has Come

@@captainprototype755 Shanghai is in mainland China

@@captainprototype755 This video has absolutely nothing to do with Taiwan. Stop spamming the comments. Shanghai is part of mainland China.

Who tf cares about technicalities mate? Oh that's right everyone who wasn't invited to the 'party' 😂

@@stevenbaker7025 People who create and belong to communities care.

@@chrisvalleqatsi Yeah you can care all you want, but the concepts aren't property so anyone can alter them at will.

@@chrisvalleqatsi indeed.

@@stevenbaker7025 youre really annoying arent you

Right?! Me, too! 🐇

She’s a well known voguer not just in China but in Paris too her name is Vivyne Louboutin

@@tmackie1694 LOL "White Rabbit" is a famous brand of Chinese candy & she's wearing a bag that's a blown up version of it. #CULTURE

You mean rest in peace? Cause Vice just killed them all

@@captainprototype755 this is shot in shanghai, but Taiwan is the first to legalize same-sex marriage

@@mastersonogashira1796 thanks for the education man

@@captainprototype755 I’m fine with asking better human right for minorities, cuz CCP doesn’t even care about Han, let along the four other races. But I can’t support the idea of calling XinJiang Turkistan. It’s like Crimea belonging to Ukraine. Democracy is a wonderful thing but it cannot be applied in terms of territorial dispute

@@mastersonogashira1796 50 social credit points for you!

@@low_vibration U sure? cuz the first half of my comment would be -100 if not more. I’m just expressing my political view

But not nearly as authentic as NYC OG Ballroom.

@@illstuffamattresswithyou5657 This isn't about authenticity of some specific subculture, this is about going against the current and being different in one of the most totalitarian countries on earth.

We love u queen!! 😍😍😍

They are obsessed with us.

@@arvinoo5881 Yup and using a Black creation and art form to do it. Black culture influences the world. No doubt.

They had them in southern California in the mid 80's too. It was a safe spaces for everyone.

What about covid tho

I thought cultural appropriation was bad? Has that changed? Will you support them now that CCP has outlawed effeminate men? Will you get them out of the camps they are going to be sent to or just leave them there like the Muslims?

@@terintiaflavius3349 It was Trump who left the Muslims there through weakness and incompetent diplomacy.

@@slickrick2420 I'm as anti-Trump as they come but I've never heard anyone accuse him of bringing Muslims to China and ditching them there. Can you elaborate? Sounds ridiculous.

@Shadis Nightmare does it matter if someone did it first just cuase micro organisms ate first doesnt mean we aren't allowed to eat, you talk all about acceptance but you extend none of that Acceptance

@@captainprototype755 Correct

@Shadis Nightmare oh shut up

Yo these people aren't 'gays' they're just like you and me. Labels are the problem, although i'm sure heterosexual people would love to be called 'normies' 😂

@Shadis Nightmare "Pale skinned Eurasians hate dark skinned people but love to steal their culture at every opportunity." Doing some racial stereotyping to denounce racism. How forward thinking.

No, it Spread to US!!!!!!

@@blackmonday738 good we need it

@@blackmonday738 I’m sure the Chinese government has vpn and access to this video 💀rip

youtube is blocked in china so no?

Thanks but we don't need your paranoia. We DEAL with our government daily. The queer & other alternative, underground communities KNOW what to do, how to slip into the cracks. Now y'all deal with yours, you hear. We thank VICE for showing the world what modern China is, as most westerners seem to want to continue to think of China as just rice fields, polluted factory towns & concentration camps, deplorably.

Cultural appropriation is a racist concept

It seems to me that this is being done with a huge amount of love and respect for the original scene. I could be wrong, but I think it's important to embrace inspiration and imitation that comes from that place of sheer love and joy for a beautiful thing

@@Catsley love or lust?

@@MamaNewGuinea you think the motivation for the Chinese ballroom scene is that they're horny for the original scene?

I wouldn't call this appropriation...the people in charge seem to to be knowledgable and aware, not to mention that Willi Ninja's dream was to spread ballroom across the globe!

Miss Penhy, and twerk

Well that's a very cool level of self awareness you are reaching. I can only hope you manage to find your very own way to express yourself, one that will allow you to loosen that grip when you want to and on your terms in a manner that makes you happy. We don' t need understanding or love as long as we get freedom and respect. But I often found out that when people extend those last two, the first two soon follow. Sorry if i wasn't very clear, english is not my first language.

@Pan-European Slavic Novorossiyan Ultranationalist You will have to elaborate on renaissance being from conservative thought as from my understanding it introduced new ideas and brought old ones into the modern era. Kind of like swing music. Old does not mean conservative. At first I did not see this as adding to culture, it seemed more like of a colorful splat on the wall that few would enjoy and im trying to not kill people fun as much as I usually do. After looking at the way people dress and dance in this drag ,ballroom fusion im not so sure if they have nothing to add, I have to think about it. And let’s not be dishonest here, American music (manly rap) has taken the world by storm and as much as I dislike it, I can not deny the usage rates. Our movies and celebrities are love by people from first-third world countries. Even though our infrastructure is graded a c at best by the civil Society of engineers people still look up to the idea of coming to New York and Washington.

@Pan-European Slavic Novorossiyan Ultranationalist don't you ever wonder what you would look like in a frock?

@@haphappablap7684 hahaha, these fascist types have a lot of repressed stuff going on sexually! They need to put some frocks on and work it out

@Pan-European Slavic Novorossiyan Ultranationalist The greatest minds of the renaissance were queer: Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Shakepeare, Montaigne, Corelli... As for the classical era, you should really have a look into sexuality in ancient Greece, this might blow your mind...

Just letting you know, the zigzags in your username are a nazi symbol, you should probably remove them if you dont want to cause any misunderstandings, it's the symbol for the SS

Best movie ever ☺️

I love it , artist and life.

😂 deffo need ball room

Great comment!💯

I whip my hair. You can search on yt for prodigy but there are different remixes or versions out there

@@OfficialKraze Yeah which is why I was asking for the specific remix used in the video. But thanks anyway! :)

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbuCedKi0N27fI0.html It’s this track, The Ha dance, from the early 90s masters at work, but could be any take on it or remix, but one thing for sure is it makes you Work.

Like Eurovision

@@Jasperi No. I when I watched that a few times. It felt very one dimensional. I prefer my ballroom people.

to dip**

​@ShutYourEyes AndOpenYourMouth to be fair, there is a lot of subjectivity that goes into gymnastics and figure skating, most obviously at the level of individual judges, but also in terms of the collective judgment of those who decide what technical elements should be given the most value and delegated the most points... and that can change from one year to the next. True, it's hard to see what discrete elements of voguing would lend themselves to this kind of codification (not that I would actually know), but to me, codification is anathema to queer culture. One aspect of ball culture that I find interesting is how it meshes the competitive with the communal, though it's never confused which of those two is more important. I still like the idea of a ballroom "Olympics" if that meant a coming together and sharing of queer aesthetics from across the world. (Sorry if that is all a bit overly verbose. I had a few too many stims. X-D )

YES 🙌

Chelsea Moon_How firm A Foundation

@@MamaNewGuinea wrong

If you’re talking about 11:25 it’s called sundial,and the album is called immersion (original soundtrack)

@@killyouwithfire no I'm not.....I'm right. It's my truth.

*G A E*

@@NickariusSN bro go make some overpriced yogurt or something

This video is in Taiwan not China

@@captainprototype755 Sis you are not there how you even made all these up? Imagination? I happened to be there and so are my friends, you know what? It is IN F SHANGHAI!

@@keli9388 where in Shanghai looks to me like Taiwan, Shanghai has waay more pollution, ans ive taught english in Taiwan, Thas Taiwan, Might be Mainland Taiwan but its Taiwan

@@captainprototype755 This is why geography illiterate westerners who can't differentiate Taiwan and Shanghai should stay far away from territorial disputes in Asia.

@@usedsocks6810 didnt watcht the video to see it was in Shanghai, all i know is the free independent nation and Countrh of Taiwan is the first asain country to legalize Homosexuality and China tries to remove it and wipe it out of culture by censoring it

they been doing it on decades