Video Game Mods Are In Danger

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Going Indie

Going Indie

Ай бұрын

For as long as games have existed, players have been modding them. But with some big changes happening in gaming, the future of modding might be in trouble.
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Nintendo goes after Palworld modder
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Arma 2 gets 300,000 sales boost thanks to DayZ mod
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"Baldur’s Gate 3 Dev Warns Community About Threats and Toxicity Over Mod Support"
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Baldur's Gate 3 Devs dealing with threats
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Skyrim modder gets sued
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Big studios suing modders
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Rockstart shuts down NFT server
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Thomas the Tank Engine mods
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BG3 has mod support coming
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@GoingIndie
@GoingIndie Ай бұрын
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@beefchopstick
@beefchopstick Ай бұрын
yeah!
@kewinzabojca7226
@kewinzabojca7226 Ай бұрын
obviously
@Mad_dognz
@Mad_dognz Ай бұрын
Why not?
@jarrellfamily1422
@jarrellfamily1422 29 күн бұрын
Modding is the best thing to happen in video games ever up there with 3d visuals, online play, and indie games
@Gamerboy-qg7lq
@Gamerboy-qg7lq 28 күн бұрын
Bethesda is selling third party mods
@TooEZ24x
@TooEZ24x Ай бұрын
Mods are what prevent games from getting stale.
@Vajra717
@Vajra717 Ай бұрын
Skyrim is a perfect example for that. Look up “Skyrim Ultima” that modded version looks like a completely different game.
@LukieLuke5
@LukieLuke5 Ай бұрын
Which is actually a reason for Developer to dislike them. As unless it's a live service game, they want you to buy the new one not play the old one.
@LG555
@LG555 Ай бұрын
Which is why Nintendo is so hard against them.
@alface935
@alface935 Ай бұрын
​@@LukieLuke5 True The Call Of Duty series for example releases a new game every year since 2003 and They want You to always buy the newest game every year and thats why We haven't have mod support since Call Of Duty 12 Black Ops 3 from 2015 and prior to Black Ops 3 the last game to have mod support was Call Of Duty 7 Black Ops 1 from 2010 No wonder Black Ops 3 is still the 2nd most played Call Of Duty game on Steam (As of the time of this comment) with 8,596 players playing right now
@DRAGONSAREPRETTYCOOL
@DRAGONSAREPRETTYCOOL Ай бұрын
True
@yoramhamo6161
@yoramhamo6161 Ай бұрын
minecraft wouldn't even be close to today if it didn't have mods
@user-od2qc2od1y
@user-od2qc2od1y Ай бұрын
Agreed as a kid I watched a lot of modded minecraft
@illpunchyouintheface9094
@illpunchyouintheface9094 Ай бұрын
Yea games like Minecraft would probably died out years ago if it wasn’t for mods
@NaoyaYami
@NaoyaYami 21 күн бұрын
And Bethesda would die out after releasing Oblivion.
@andersonsansonowski5644
@andersonsansonowski5644 11 күн бұрын
Then imagine steam
@UnknownHumanJoe
@UnknownHumanJoe 6 күн бұрын
Modded Minecraft videos is the reason I bought the game as a kid. Then I realized the Java mods I’m watching on KZfaq doesn’t work on bedrock edition.
@SolantisA
@SolantisA Ай бұрын
Fuck 'em! Most of these studios, who employ literal armies of lawyers, started out as modders in the '90s.
@megaman37456
@megaman37456 17 күн бұрын
FACTS! Also agreed, Fuck 'em. If by some miracle of God they actually manage to outlaw modding in the US, I don't care, I'll still mod my games.
@sarahsturgill9262
@sarahsturgill9262 17 күн бұрын
@@megaman37456 Wouldn't call that a miracle of God, that scenario would be a tragedy.
@megaman37456
@megaman37456 17 күн бұрын
@@sarahsturgill9262 I say a Miracle of God because only Gods power could make that 0% scenario happen.
@Jirodyne
@Jirodyne 3 күн бұрын
@@megaman37456 It would be impossible to ban modding. Even today, they don't actively ban modding. What happens is the ban the DISTRIBUTION of mods. My you can still CREATE mods. Just can't GIVE that mod to others. That is how they get around the law. That is why you see a lot of stuff like Nexus Collections not seen anywhere else, and why people can't just download a collection of mods, make it work, then just copy and transfer the mod folder. Cause it's illegal. But they CAN tell you the list of mods, where to download them, and how to install them. Ultimately YOU own your PC, it is YOUR property, and you can do WHATEVER YOU WANT with that Property, and all files on that property. You can mod, change, and do anything you want to any game on that PC. The problem comes in, when you A, Access someone else's Server (Some hacks tho not all), or B, Distribute those mods/hacks. Case in point. You have the RIGHT to borrow a movie, Rip the movie, then give the original copy back and keep the rip version for yourself. As long as you, and only you, see and access it, and you don't give it away, you are legally fine. As you had ownership of the product for a time, and can do anything you want what your property. So modding will never be outright banned. No, the HOSTING and DISTRIBUTION of mods will be attacked and destroyed instead.
@AWriterWandering
@AWriterWandering 2 күн бұрын
Just like how Disney got famous from making adaptations of public domain works, then twice successfully lobbied Congress to extend the copyright law just to try to keep their own works out of the public domain.
@lasercraft32
@lasercraft32 Ай бұрын
Mods are harmless at worst (unless its multiplayer cheating mods), and MUTUALLY BENEFITIAL at best.... Yet despite this, companies are stupid. "Don't be creative, just buy products and mindlessly consume. How dare you touch my IP!"
@MitternachtssternXIII
@MitternachtssternXIII Ай бұрын
If everyone would cheat noone would care
@DRAGONSAREPRETTYCOOL
@DRAGONSAREPRETTYCOOL Ай бұрын
so true
@toolazytobeoriginal4587
@toolazytobeoriginal4587 29 күн бұрын
video game helicopter parenting
@chaoticclonestudios
@chaoticclonestudios 27 күн бұрын
Its because they dont want the game to better on its own they want the game to die so that youll buy the next one
@lasercraft32
@lasercraft32 27 күн бұрын
@@chaoticclonestudios True...
@Raphy_Afk
@Raphy_Afk Ай бұрын
Beware, your mustache could get you a copyright strike from Nintendo
@jollygoodfellow3957
@jollygoodfellow3957 14 күн бұрын
Mario's stache curves up, so he will be ok.
@SIG7Pro
@SIG7Pro 4 күн бұрын
@@jollygoodfellow3957Luigi’s mustache does too.
@danydady6851
@danydady6851 4 күн бұрын
​@@jollygoodfellow3957 nah, they'll probably try anyway
@MegaPokefan97
@MegaPokefan97 Күн бұрын
It literally won't
@fluffypinkpandas
@fluffypinkpandas Ай бұрын
What annoys me more than the state of the gaming industry Are the consumers who buy the following psyops hook line and sinker and try to propagate the following nonsense to other people: -"free community Mods dont immortalize a game's lifespan or benefit its creators in any way" -"you need cosmetics or some form of p2w, lootbox, ads, dlc, or microtransaction for the game to make money" -"piracy is stealing and hurts the game" -"Buying extra stuff and preorders all support the devs and not the publisher" -"it has to have a progression or XP system to be a fun longterm experience" -"you shouldnt just 'have everything' out of the gate" -"you need centralized servers, because if a player were able to buy dedicated servers and host them it would have constant unplayable connection issues" -"stop complaining" -"paying a premium to play online is necessary" -"something requiring a link to your email, phone, and common password is necessary" -"its in alpha its supposed to be shitty - stop complaining" -"its in beta is supposed to be shitty - stop complaining" -"its only JUST came out - its supposed to need a week 1 patch - stop complaining" -"its only been out for 6 months - they are working on updates to fix all that stuff - stop complaining"
@clobzz
@clobzz 17 күн бұрын
literally real
@HypercomboProduction
@HypercomboProduction 16 күн бұрын
Was the pre alpha stuff about Multiversus? I heard they finished that one.
@fluffypinkpandas
@fluffypinkpandas 16 күн бұрын
@@HypercomboProduction about all pre alpha stuff. or even the eternal pre alpha known as star shitizen
@HypercomboProduction
@HypercomboProduction 16 күн бұрын
@@fluffypinkpandas ok, thanks!
@tynrova9639
@tynrova9639 4 күн бұрын
Someone get their child, they're crying.
@azroft2394
@azroft2394 Ай бұрын
Imagine getting mad at a train setting a house on fire in a non-profit mod
@Nemesis2005
@Nemesis2005 Ай бұрын
ah yes corporate copyright, with the rampant of AI, I am starting to be concern of the future of copyrights
@primus0348
@primus0348 22 күн бұрын
Corps are really making sure that you give them and only them Money with nothing in return, they're Truly Scumbags that don't deserve Fans Respect if they cant even Respect Fans of their IPs.
@onlyyoucanstopevil9024
@onlyyoucanstopevil9024 12 күн бұрын
COPYRIGHT STILL THERE, BUT HAVE NO ACTUAL POWER
@bronyinsticks
@bronyinsticks 3 күн бұрын
Honestly with the way humans are exploiting people and individual replacing everyone else using an AI to create what suits them should be a right for every individual. With the con of telling me that I am purchasing an object and then turning around and saying oh actually it was a license and we can take it whenever we feel like it for whatever reason we feel like it even if we charge you a hundred bucks for it. And the fact that severely disabled people need AI to be able to build stuff and enjoy their own creativity, and Elon musk is literally putting the ability to create things and control things with your mind in special privileged individuals while other individuals don't even have the privilege to use their voice to have chat GTP to do something for them because of abusers lying about how a I even learns and functions. Copyright protections shouldn't exist in the first place people should be free to express what they like and not associate with people trying to exploit them
@cleverman383
@cleverman383 Күн бұрын
You should have been concerned about copyright long ago.
@kepler6873
@kepler6873 13 күн бұрын
A lot of the tension between a community and a company can be eased with small clarifications, eg “We do not support modding, so when a new patch comes out things may be broken. If you do make stuff for our game, please keep it SFW and don’t touch our multiplayer mode. Our anti cheat will kill you”
@Anonymous-pw2vi
@Anonymous-pw2vi Ай бұрын
Minecraft is a VERY pro mods game, as I would bet you it would have died years ago if not for mods.
@thesenate1844
@thesenate1844 4 күн бұрын
Minecraft also lets you play any old version you like., so your favourite old mods are still avaliable
@JustJAY-eb1uy
@JustJAY-eb1uy 4 күн бұрын
@@thesenate1844except for the mobile version lol
@mentosvagabond
@mentosvagabond 3 күн бұрын
The game literally unplayable without optifine mod for people that has shit pc , just like me in 2016.
@antunderexist692
@antunderexist692 Күн бұрын
@@mentosvagabond or Sodium which ya right lmao
Ай бұрын
Jealousy. Its very common and pretty normal human vice.
@sean7221
@sean7221 13 күн бұрын
It's more prevalent in jews
@MIKE2111ful
@MIKE2111ful 10 күн бұрын
​@@sean7221😂😂😂
@bronyinsticks
@bronyinsticks 3 күн бұрын
It isn't jealousy it's a desire to control
@Neko-san
@Neko-san Ай бұрын
Remember when Valve introduced the idea of paid mods on Steam Workshop like in 2015? Thank God they've quickly gave up on that idea, or else the Steam Workshop would feel like the new App Store.
@dennisthemenace567
@dennisthemenace567 Ай бұрын
It would probably lead to more fun games if modders could easily sell downloads without valve/patreon demanding their overpriced fees
@lisaruhm6681
@lisaruhm6681 Ай бұрын
@@dennisthemenace567 or the opposite, of everything costing money.
@kreenbopulusmichael7205
@kreenbopulusmichael7205 Ай бұрын
valve gets way too much credit for how many lame things theyve released onto the world "loot boxes and battlepasses"
@SolantisA
@SolantisA Ай бұрын
Wasn't that Bethesda? I'm pretty sure Valve didn't do that on their own, they are quite content at negotiating with workshop creators to get their stuff into dota, csgo and tf2
@kreenbopulusmichael7205
@kreenbopulusmichael7205 Ай бұрын
@@SolantisA no, bethesda actually did it
@Makem12
@Makem12 Ай бұрын
In many cases, mods should fall under fair use for parody. I think a flying, fire breathing, Thomas the Tank Engine would fall under that. The problem modders face is that it is too expensive to fight the lawsuits.
@kaden-sd6vb
@kaden-sd6vb 15 күн бұрын
Good ol corporate-corrupted courts.
@VerdeMorte
@VerdeMorte 4 күн бұрын
SLAPP Suits have no place in corporate litigation
@Arguyus
@Arguyus 4 күн бұрын
There needs to be a modder protection fund so that the expense is covered for them.
@bronyinsticks
@bronyinsticks 3 күн бұрын
Well this might be the case in the circumstances where a person does not use AI in order to assist in creating a mod for themselves but if you are severely disabled to the point you need to use technology to create things you don't even have a right to copyright protection or fair use because you are not privileged to have that functioning body parts that can make things on your own
@scaper12123
@scaper12123 18 минут бұрын
That's exactly what these corpos count on
@LandonEmma
@LandonEmma Ай бұрын
It was litteraly a troll using a domain similar to Nintendo’s to make it seem like it was coming from Nintendo.
@aporue5893
@aporue5893 26 күн бұрын
ohhh.....that makes sense.
@dudemp4
@dudemp4 22 күн бұрын
its confirmed to be nintendo sadly
@rockysolid4200
@rockysolid4200 22 күн бұрын
Because the devs didn’t bother investigating.
@CaptainBloodsail
@CaptainBloodsail 14 күн бұрын
So the whole Destiny copyright thing again cause a guy was mad and wanted to cause damage to both the community and the company
@Manavine
@Manavine 14 күн бұрын
Nope, person in question was linked to a previous instance of someone who thought it was a troll and ignored and nearly got nuked for it.
@turokrambo5617
@turokrambo5617 Ай бұрын
Mods are literally....ways to play a game you wish was in the game. Or wanted....if you own the game. You should be allowed to do WHATEVER you want to it. As long as its not a Multiplayer game. Unless its a private server with friends and setups for players to try if they want to. Edit: fuck copyright laws. If the game is like OVER 10years old. Who cares if theres a SpongeBob mod in a game. Or Mario in a JDM racing game. Its old. And no one is shaming anyones brand. Literally doesn't harm people if they don't play the mods or even when they see vidoes of it. Like who cares?
@bronyinsticks
@bronyinsticks 3 күн бұрын
Heck we would even say we would support multiplayer in that context because you could simply just set it up to where everyone could cheat and they would have to try to win by out cheating one another it would be a competition like that. So you would have a section where the your competition was that you tried to out cheat the other person and then you would have the normal competition and you would have different cues for whatever you want it. We basically believe that you should be in the ability to engage with those that you wish to engage with so if you like to cheat using the game then others like to do so as well get the cheaters together. Under no circumstances do we believe that there should be a situation in which individuals should be allowed to tell people that they cannot cheat in a Minecraft section where the owner of the world is cheating
@bronyinsticks
@bronyinsticks 3 күн бұрын
As for the copyright laws claim we also agree with that one there are circumstances where they trademark and copyright things only to let them sit in a vault and die it's disgusting
@1mariomaniac
@1mariomaniac Күн бұрын
Heck I'm more likely to think less of your brand IF you take down the mod that uses your IP! 😆
@zimos9286
@zimos9286 15 күн бұрын
Banning mods is the equivalent of dodging the IRS, you're gonna lose at the end of the day and it will bite you in the ass...
@The_Dreamcaster
@The_Dreamcaster 17 сағат бұрын
Bars 🔥🔥🔥
@PreapRattanak
@PreapRattanak 21 күн бұрын
Valve encouraged it Counter Strike was a mod for Half Life until it became a standalone game same thing with Cry of Fear, Day of Defeat, Garry'mod, The Stanely Parable, Team Fortress Classic and more. It could be a potential for modders.
@1mariomaniac
@1mariomaniac Күн бұрын
Let's not forget that in the early days of FPS games, basically every successful game used the Doom engine or an engine heavily inspired by it. The famous "Doom clones" of the 90s such as Heretic and its sequel Hexen, Sigil, Rise of The Triad, Dark Forces, and Duke Nukem 3D are all effectively Doom mods. Heck the first 3 were made by _id_ and use the Doom engine. Edit: Oh wait, Rise of the Triad was on the Wolfenstein 3D engine my mistake.
@FelipeKana1
@FelipeKana1 Ай бұрын
About the family friendly argument, if a kid is already old and smart enough to know how to install mods, you can be ABSOLUTELY SURE he is already seeing NSFW stuff elsewhere. What one person mods in their games DOES NOT appears in others' games.
@bronyinsticks
@bronyinsticks 3 күн бұрын
Furthermore if they're just having problems with it not being family friendly because adults are playing the game. Just make separate systems one that adults cannot play and the other that kids cannot play that cannot interact with one another. This would stop kids from having access to adult content and adults. As well as stopping adults from having access to children which would lower the amount of online grooming that was happening.
@1mariomaniac
@1mariomaniac Күн бұрын
​@@bronyinsticks I can't think of an age verification system, though, that wouldn't either be easily exploited or very intrusive, especially when you're talking about kids.
@9hoot789
@9hoot789 Күн бұрын
@@bronyinsticks No actual reliable age verification besides legal ID verification exists that would actually properly protect those who aren't old enough. Nor would it be possible to separate them from those who are.
@9hoot789
@9hoot789 Күн бұрын
@FelipeKana1 That's an assumption, and a bad one. All of the most popular modding sites filter out sensitive results by default, making it harder accidentally find such content. Some even ban it altogether. As well as this, many companies, such as Mojang, intentionally ban and go after content that violates their values and vision for their game, such as not safe for work mods. This is not new, and it is not controversial. It's how it should be.
@blademasterzero
@blademasterzero Күн бұрын
@@bronyinstickswe do have access to parental controls though. Parents just refuse to use them because they don’t give a shit
@HappyLittleBoozer
@HappyLittleBoozer 28 күн бұрын
I am a living proof that mods increase market share - I have over 200 hours in Hearts of Iron and have never touched the base game. The sole reason I got this game is the Equestria at War mod, and in turn me playing the mod and talking about it made at least four of my friends buy HoI4 to play the mod in multiplayer. Also, no such thing as copyright. There is only copywrong. It's an archaic remnant of a bygone age, unfit for the modern day. It needs to be reworked from ground up, it's current essence shredded into oblivion.
@ClockShaft
@ClockShaft 14 күн бұрын
BASED TRVTHNVKE KEKERALD
@1mariomaniac
@1mariomaniac Күн бұрын
Shredded until nothing is copyleft*
@Omar-Asim
@Omar-Asim Ай бұрын
Title: "Video Game Mods Are In Danger" Conclusion: "Modding Won't Be Going Anywhere" 🙄
@v5hr1ke
@v5hr1ke 19 күн бұрын
True answer: "Modding Won't Be Going Anywhere, But These Are In Danger"
@nicksmith9
@nicksmith9 28 күн бұрын
DONT BUY 90% OF TRIPLE A!!
@02owo32
@02owo32 Ай бұрын
Modding Community carried Bethesda on their back
@jaredhebert942
@jaredhebert942 4 күн бұрын
And they're *_STILL_* carrying Bethesda in many areas from what I hear in many circles
@Aldenfenris
@Aldenfenris 12 сағат бұрын
One term comes to mind. Fan patch. When modders and players take in their hand to fix bugs and issues with a game
@lowrezbs8882
@lowrezbs8882 4 күн бұрын
Konami and crapcom hate modders, they get offended at the fact that modders add value to their games without having to pay them first.
@Hollowdude15
@Hollowdude15 Ай бұрын
I think video game mods will survive this problem in the future because some game developers will make video game mods be evolved and be different in the future of video games in their way so they don't have to worry about the problems you listed and I have optimistic that video game mods will be here for a long time and great video Going Indie :]
@DiabolicCrusher
@DiabolicCrusher Ай бұрын
As someone who loves modding games like gmod(hell, still has the highest playtime on my steam account, because of mods), skyrim, kenshi etc, bloody hell do i hate modern gaming. Bamco going after modders of Tekken 8 that create visual mods because they added Tekken shop to the game(without so much as warning people before release about it and specifically waited a month so people can't refund which is infuriating to say the least) and it'll cut the revenue from it because of lackluster free customization is the most relevant example and is one of the things that's wrong with modern gaming industry.
@zero00044
@zero00044 4 күн бұрын
Here's the thing about using copyrighted things in mods. As long as the character model and code is designed from scratch and not just copy and pasted from another game, and its being ditribited for free, it's considered fan art and 100% protected by freedom of artistic expression and parody law. It doesn't matter if it's making the character look bad or going against what the original creator and copyright owner intended for the character.
@lucas182512
@lucas182512 Ай бұрын
0:14 Todd's probably the biggest defender of mods in the AAA space. Sure, Bethesda can do better, especially when it comes to communication, but they've benefitted greatly from the mods made in their creation kits, and Todd knows this. To say "slowly creators of our favorite games have become hostile towards mods" and have Todd show up right after Rockstar (which is actually hostile) is VERY misleading.
@nocaptcha8110
@nocaptcha8110 Ай бұрын
He also released starfield hoping modders fix his game. Modders tried and said it wasn't worth lol
@gearsfan6669
@gearsfan6669 24 күн бұрын
@@nocaptcha8110 without the official mod tools it can't, can't expect them to do much beyond basic things when it's a whole new version of the Creation Engine, even if some things are the same the inner workings are completely different. With Skyrim and Fallout 4 the mod authors had years worth of experience in the engine because of games like New Vegas and Oblivion and the amount of available guides for those games being the stepping stones for mod authors of newer games to learn from, Starfield everyone is pretty much starting from scratch
@maxmikester8185
@maxmikester8185 19 күн бұрын
@lucas182512 You say that and then they updated fallout 4, breaking every mod right when the big mod Fallout London was gonna release. Of course they wanna may sure you are using their PAID MODS and not NEXUS!
@lucas182512
@lucas182512 19 күн бұрын
@@maxmikester8185 Which is why i said they could do better with communication. Echoing the words of the fallout london project lead. That said, people really overreact when bethesda releases patches "breaking their mods". If you mod bethesda games, you should know that running the game using the script extender will bypass any steam update. And even if steam updated your game, the first mod that gets released after those mod-breaking updates are version downgraders. You cant even say "but if I downgrade, i wont be able to install the newest mods", because the overwhelming majority of new mods maintain support for the the older, popular game version. This is true in both fallout 4 (v 1.10.163) and skyrim se (v 1.5.97). Personally, I would have simply released London for 1.10.163. People can simply downgrade.
@lucas182512
@lucas182512 19 күн бұрын
My problem with bethesda patches for old games like skyrim and fallout 4, is that they dont add anything. they are crap patches. the newest fallout 4 "next gen" patch makes a difference in consoles. it does nothing on pc. it just "breaks" mods. whatever, downgrade or skip the update (what I did)
@SomeFactsYouMightNotKnow
@SomeFactsYouMightNotKnow Ай бұрын
Many people play some games because of the mods 🤣🤣
@darksyde0418
@darksyde0418 3 күн бұрын
Wait a minute? How can the guy that made the Thomas the tank engine mod get into legal trouble? As I recall, there is a law called the parody act where if you get Thomas to set stuff on fire and such, thats a parody which falls under the 1st amendment.
@Legoguy9875
@Legoguy9875 15 күн бұрын
Terraria and Re-Logic are another great example of a game developer being open and communicative to the modding scene extremely well. Mod support for the game did start out as a community effort through Tmodloader, but Relogic would later begin to collaborate with the people behind TML to make it an official DLC for Steam, integrating its functionality into Steam Workshop, making it even easier to download and enjoy mods. On top of that, since Tmodloader runs off of a separate instance of the game, it's not negatively impacted by official game updates (when they inevitably happen anyway lol). They even work alongside modders themselves, giving them the resources and tools to begin the process of migrating their mods to the latest game version before releasing those builds to the public, meaning players don't have to wait for mods to be brought up to date. They're probably the best example you can find right now of a game developer interacting with their modding community in a positive way, apart from Valve and Epic anyway.
@RamChop451
@RamChop451 5 күн бұрын
Love how companies don't realize mods are actually promoting longevity
@mwwill5465
@mwwill5465 4 күн бұрын
Imagine if something like VRChat getting sued for simply letting their community create and upload famous fictional characters?
@cendresaphoenix1974
@cendresaphoenix1974 Күн бұрын
I think they did get into trouble for a bit there. These corporations are bitches in heat
@Kinaibhlan
@Kinaibhlan 13 күн бұрын
make the mods, don't tell anyone you're making them until they're done, don't put your name on them, release them into the wild, allow other modders to update them, join them in updating the mods posing as a random mod dev
@ego-lay_atman-bay
@ego-lay_atman-bay 4 күн бұрын
I love modding where's my water, because the game stores most of it's data in plain text xml files. I can add my own levels, object, images, etc, pretty quickly. Heck, I created a level editor for the game. Modding where's my water also kind of revived where's my water. Sure, there's not many tools for modding the game, but what we have is enough for people to create custom levels (easier then they had been doing for almost 10 years). Of course I also own the modding server, so you might be able to guess my stance on modding. Now, where's my water modding isn't all sunshine and rainbows. In order to share mods, people have to send their modified copy of wmw, which is technically illegal. I would love to make a rule against piracy in the modding server, but the problem is that I can't, because we have to share mods via a modified version of the full game. That's why I want to create a patcher with my next level efitor, that way we can just share zip files containinf all our modifications, but have people use their own copies of wmw to play mods (also this patcher would allow multiple mods at the same time, which is currently very had to do).
@Octo_Chara
@Octo_Chara Ай бұрын
Games N E E D mods. I use mods to add accessibility features that game devs don't add. I can't enjoy GTA V without adding a menu that allows me to skip levels that force me to shoot enemies from far away. I have a hard time enjoying Stardew valley without texture mods that makes the edges more visible. There are a lot more games that I don't know of yet that I could enjoy more with mods.
@TarynBeeswax
@TarynBeeswax 3 күн бұрын
Minecraft, as it exists today, would not have survived without mods. No SMPs, no big and crazy modpacks, immensely less replayability.
@armorbearer9702
@armorbearer9702 Ай бұрын
It sounds like the amount of mods allowed depends on the type of game and time. I can see fighting games limiting costume mods because the developers want to sell skins to players. That being said, it would be good to allow the mods after a certain period of time. I am thinking the best time would be when the developers announce they are no longer updating the game. This would allow the modders to go crazy and possibly draw in new people in. These new people buy the game and everyone wins.
@dudemp4
@dudemp4 22 күн бұрын
the problem for the publisher is that people wont buy the sequel
@ZacharyRodriguezVlogs
@ZacharyRodriguezVlogs 22 күн бұрын
Mods are the reason why Team Fortress 2 exists, and that’s why I’ll always support mods.
@enragedbard
@enragedbard 14 күн бұрын
Nintendo has always been openly hostile to mods. And a lot of japanese devs are somewhat also. Bethesda would never deny modding. It's what makes their games playable
@robbycooper6787
@robbycooper6787 4 күн бұрын
That gmod lawsuit didn’t do much because there’s like 177 pages when I searched up Mario
@ThatGreenSpy
@ThatGreenSpy 3 күн бұрын
This is one area where I think AI can help. If it can flood the market with indie games, then in time, the corporations' power over us will end.
@youtubestudiosucks978
@youtubestudiosucks978 2 күн бұрын
Dont forget to check for malware. It happens
@andersonsansonowski5644
@andersonsansonowski5644 11 күн бұрын
The key word is toy company: Nintendo does NOT treat games as games but more as TOYS so in a toy company, would u allow people to easily change the toy with no check of quality? No is probrably the answer right 'cause u wouldn't want anything like that
@marcoaraiza9381
@marcoaraiza9381 3 күн бұрын
The same people who want to ban mods also want to charge you per bullet in pvp games
@bronyinsticks
@bronyinsticks 3 күн бұрын
Well we will point out that when it comes to the Sims EA doesn't really have a right to get mad about the fact that the developers of mods are giving things away for free because it's literally their fault the same thing goes with Minecraft. It's literally in their TOS that they're not allowed to sell or paywall the mods.
@scotthayes5386
@scotthayes5386 Ай бұрын
Lethal company has crazy mods for a lil indie game
@DoctorFlux
@DoctorFlux Ай бұрын
Mods is insane important to the gaming industry i care say it is a piller that keep the industry going: alot of newer game dev. today started out as modder for a game becuase modding a game like a QoL mod, adding Goku to Smash & etc. is teaching how to do alot of the game dev. stuff in a alot easier entry barrier than open up a game engine a Smash like game pixelart styled called Rivals of Aether got Steam workshop: it got really boosted in playbase on that after it got launched mods dont hurt their brand infact its brings in new fans if it was not for the unwritting rule of thomas needs to be modded into a new game at this point people wont know about thomas in today´s age properly and that just 1 example of many
@conniptions6368
@conniptions6368 Ай бұрын
Greed will be the end of us. 🖤
@NeoVault_
@NeoVault_ 15 күн бұрын
Screw companies. What I mod is my game that I paid for, and I do what I please.
@kaden-sd6vb
@kaden-sd6vb 15 күн бұрын
More people should start calling it copyWRONG. Fight it at every opportunity. Never give in. Be the hydra.
@kin98100
@kin98100 Сағат бұрын
No idea how it is even possible to sue a modder for personalise a product they bought aslong as the dont monetize it. Everyone is allowed to alter a product they own for their artistic vision.
@BoehseToene
@BoehseToene 25 күн бұрын
me everytime i start a new rimworld run "this time i go vanilla!" ... 10 minutes later "atleast i should get some qol mods" 30 minutes and 600 mods later "well,next time vanilla"
@damndanieI
@damndanieI Ай бұрын
I remember over ten years ago someone from Arabian countries told me on skype how to install GTA 4 mods and it felt so magical to play with mods for the first time. Those were times
@LunarPriestessYT
@LunarPriestessYT 29 күн бұрын
Please no, modding games makes them so much more fun
@1mariomaniac
@1mariomaniac Күн бұрын
With the recent shutdown of Vimm's Lair by a seemingly coordinated mass take-down from multiple companies, and also the companies making it far more difficult to mod their games, it seems that video game companies are just trying to lose their most devoted playerbase. These people, the ones who mod the current games and emulate the old ones not sold anymore, they're the repeat customers. They love games so much that they're willing to go through the pain and effort of modding in extra content to keep playing. They love games so much that some people who have physical copies of old games will go through the process of dumping their rom online so other people can enjoy the game that's been long since abandoned. Its really sad what the gaming industry has come to, when these people, the most devoted and creative of the playerbase, are punished for being such.
@spaceghostmiid
@spaceghostmiid Ай бұрын
honestly i think what happened with nintendo and gmod is only an issue that can happen with platforms that have bulit in mod support. a lot of modding sites are based in countries that have way more relaxed ip law.
@SnowyRVulpix
@SnowyRVulpix 3 күн бұрын
Worth noting that using existing characters (pokemon, for example) has always been illegal. Its copyright violation.
@mahkhardy8588
@mahkhardy8588 15 күн бұрын
Stop 🛑 corporate greed. Good video, spread the word!
@Hollowdude15
@Hollowdude15 Ай бұрын
Congratulations on getting to 100k subscribers Going Indie and let's gooooooooooooooooo :]
@desu38
@desu38 Күн бұрын
3:27 A Hat in Time: "Hold my gears"
@JimBeaz
@JimBeaz 10 сағат бұрын
nintendo not wanting mods for their games: Normal any other studio not wanting any mods for their games: wtf is wrong with them?
@zephodb
@zephodb 4 күн бұрын
Mod support isn't what the problem is, it is when modern Devs believe 'wait, mods are expansions that we might want to sell later!' Those are the ones who are the 'illegal mods' groups. c.c Lots of them see the modders as 'competition', the big threat. >.>
@Aldenfenris
@Aldenfenris 12 сағат бұрын
Yep, you nailed it. If people can make their own content, then who will buy their own overpriced skin packs and minor updates hidden behind a dlc?.
@nibsj2887
@nibsj2887 14 күн бұрын
It always boils down to short sighted greed. This is usually what happens when studios grow into big bloated corps. They become inefficient and slow. They get stingy but they bleed from all sides. The employee pool grows so large that they can barely move in any direction. They begin leaning on the state to prop them up which affects all of us too. Same shit different industry but they usually end up collapsing in on their own weight. There will be a major downturn which will roll the Triple A market but it will be a renaissance for the independents.
@darkmatter-mc5iv
@darkmatter-mc5iv 16 күн бұрын
By copywriting certain mods and games the company themselves bring bad brand recognition because of that. How much did Pokemon suffered or Palworld grow when Nintendo took down the pokemon mods.
@MetalFalcon99
@MetalFalcon99 15 күн бұрын
I hope Todd realizes that mods sell his games
@captainmartin1801
@captainmartin1801 Күн бұрын
Companies in 2010 copyright was taken a lot better this year the copyright systems are crazy annoying
@user-fi1nv8mf4l
@user-fi1nv8mf4l 15 күн бұрын
If modders would just make stuff that is original. Copypasting copyrighted IP to games is not very productive use of your time and you will get bashed by the IP holder if the stuff gets popular at all. All the actually important mods are original content. DayZ didn't have to go copy any IP. Original TeamFortress or Counter-Strike, no IP theft. Dota, no need to steal anything. Just make mods without abusing other people's IPs already. And yes, I understand why modders do such things - they are usually young and don't really see the problem especially as it *is* legal for their personal use and fun. Problems being when they start distributing it... and big companies have no option - they HAVE to protect their IP.
@9hoot789
@9hoot789 Күн бұрын
Finally, a balanced take. Most people's kneejerk reaction to that kind of thing is emotionally charged and not well thought through (usually completely tossing aside legitimate criticism and concerns). There's always two sides to every problem.
@RustyhairedAlp9575
@RustyhairedAlp9575 Күн бұрын
Mods should only be subjected to copyright laws if there's a price attached to it
@gavenskyles-jones7086
@gavenskyles-jones7086 Ай бұрын
I’m not even a gamer but the quality of your videos is impressive, entertaining, and easy to follow… just subbed!!
@burntwaffle9858
@burntwaffle9858 4 күн бұрын
My favorite game to mod is Teardown, and that is because mods are a major part of it, and the devs even support it, and have an in game featured tab for mods. They even gave some of us the DLC pass for free which was something they could have easily not done, but it just shows that they do in some small way care.
@one-up7498
@one-up7498 Ай бұрын
Happy 100K subs!!
@catgamer1000official
@catgamer1000official 3 күн бұрын
Stress Level Zero, the developers for BONEWORKS, when they released BONELAB, it was a total flop, the SDK was nothing like promised and the campaign was a huge letdown, but the only reason the game stayed alive as well as the studio was because it was made to be modded, fans added in the ability to make things not intended and made the game better, which kept us waiting until the big update, Patch 4. Modders saved that game from killing the studio and going down in history negatively.
@boomer6056
@boomer6056 6 күн бұрын
When (or if) I ever make a game, I want to make sure that by the first month of release that people will have already modded in anime girls and/or Thomas the Tank Engine to my game. That's how much mod support that I want to add to my games.
@kirara2516
@kirara2516 20 сағат бұрын
I never would have touched Minecraft without mods.
@GilAzuara
@GilAzuara 4 күн бұрын
4:24 - 4:35 welcome to stellaris modding comunity where full teams of modders have been working day and night to keep their mods up to date due to the yearly changes to the main script which are around 6 or 7 per year.... god bless this diligent and brave souls!
@cendresaphoenix1974
@cendresaphoenix1974 Күн бұрын
If I can't mod your game I'm not playing your game
@9hoot789
@9hoot789 Күн бұрын
As cool as it sounds to say that, there's almost certainly a good number of exceptions where that hasn't held true.
@spencerjacobs4906
@spencerjacobs4906 3 күн бұрын
This is why I love developers that allow mods. Halo the Master Chief Collection was getting kind of old for me, and I love halo, but then I got it on PC and got some mods and it's awesome. Blade abd sorcery is the game it is because of mods same with contractors
@jonathanplooij3666
@jonathanplooij3666 14 күн бұрын
i hate it when so many good mods get lost thanks to copyright
@youtubeboyjamie4364
@youtubeboyjamie4364 13 сағат бұрын
There are many ways I've seen developpers handle fan creators. Nintendo: You already know. Bethesda: Poaching devs mid development causinga possibly big mod for Fallout 4 to be cancelled due to devs poached and brought to 76. Sega: Literally had fans help make a game (Sonic Mania) Mojang: Being inspired by mods and adding in features and stuff from said mods in their updates. Those are the only things I know of so far.
@blademasterzero
@blademasterzero Күн бұрын
Honestly if mods ever get prevented or stopped in any way then I’m just never going to play games again. And I’m not the only one who thinks like that. Half of the games I enjoy are exclusively because I’ve been able to alter and edit them with mods
@millo7295
@millo7295 Күн бұрын
Pro tip: make a game Company hates mods? Make a game out of the mods
@killuafanboy3812
@killuafanboy3812 6 күн бұрын
I mainly play games alone and not in multi-player so modding for me just makes gaming more exciting and fun. And the stuff is free usually so no need to wonder if I'll be able to buy a DLC this month or have to wait.
@felman87
@felman87 Ай бұрын
Congrats on 100k Subs!
@jaxsonmilanoski1082
@jaxsonmilanoski1082 2 күн бұрын
I hate it when companies hate fan content
@graye2799
@graye2799 14 күн бұрын
5:30, but that's a non-issue for developers. They released the tool to modify the game, they didn't tell their fans to break copyright.
@TheOswards306
@TheOswards306 17 күн бұрын
Here's the answer on how to save modes, abolish shareholding in general. The reason, is that they're the ones that're making companies money corrupt and terrible decisions like this. They give little to no effort of the effort of the product the company makes, care only about choices that would only give them a good profit instead of the consumers needs, and they're the biggest cause of causing companies to go bankruptcy for the copious amount of terrible choices they make companies make. Thumbs up if you all agree with me here.👍
@linkmon12
@linkmon12 Күн бұрын
We have the right to protest everyone. Also frick matel they ruined thomas
@Hepheat75
@Hepheat75 18 сағат бұрын
You destroy mods, you destroy the gaming industry.
@Mcbuzzerr
@Mcbuzzerr Ай бұрын
I saw you at a talk at my school, and got jump scared by seeing the face of someone I met on KZfaq because I had forgot we met lol
@MrDertien
@MrDertien 12 күн бұрын
If AAA game publishers were focused on making games that gamers want instead of playing the stock market to provide huge profits to profiteers who are not even gamers, the modding scene would be a lot smaller. So frankly? Fuck em.
@TheDawnofVanlife
@TheDawnofVanlife 4 күн бұрын
Mods are amazing, but I think current monetization models have just made mods too noticeable. there are times where this is okay and the developer/publisher embraces it and sees it as a net positive and times the publishers don't even want to acknowledge mods exist OR go to silent war with modders with an update to an old game people only buy to mod *cough*Bethesda*cough*. When mods were a thing for a niche dedicated online community and you basically had a digital tip jar for your fav mods, that was a little more under the radar, but with the rise of people playing games on PC, now there's this model of start modding, build up to a Patreon, get a following, and maybe even quit your job to mod. It also inherently puts pressure on modders to turn out content for contents sake instead of because inspired by something that sparked them while playing the game, they sometimes feel they need to 'be a modder' instead of an inspired player who mods. And that can kinda suck. So I am on the fence as to where mods are in 2024. How long til modding becomes the new DLC and is indistinguishable from it?
@chensasha9664
@chensasha9664 28 күн бұрын
Thanks a lot ! This came just in timeeee I'm doing copyright issues on video games 🤣
@poppyrider5541
@poppyrider5541 Ай бұрын
1. Threats on the internet deserve no mention. 2. Getting angry because a new game is getting patches is shortsighted at best and childish at worse. 3. There is nothing an ip owner can do as long as the modder isn't making it a paid service. I'm not a heavy modder but I've been doing it since Quake or Unreal. Running around as Homer, Batman and Bender with voice lines 'Bite my shinny metal.... Great times. Publishers and ip owners are shooting themselves in the foot by trying to lock this down.
@AnnCatsanndra
@AnnCatsanndra Ай бұрын
Strong disagree with 1. There's been enough times where people went from "exaggerated" threats online to active doxxing, sending questionable packages, or smashing people's windows that I think not only does it deserve mention, but the people responsible for making the threats should be heavily scrutinized by their community. And if the overall community sentiment towards threats against people who make the game one is modding is "eh, just ignore it" then people shouldn't be surprised when devs start actively shutting down communications with their community.
@poppyrider5541
@poppyrider5541 Ай бұрын
@@AnnCatsanndra You're wrong. 99.99% of threats made online are nonsense. You know this and I know this. If you think a threat is credible call the cops. Do you know what happens when you call the cops? They tell you not to talk about it. aka anyone complaining about it does not feel threatened.
@DeathClawDC
@DeathClawDC Ай бұрын
your 3 is wrong my free mods did get taken down by nintendo , even the gmod mods in steam workshop are being taken down
@tobyzilla2.074
@tobyzilla2.074 21 күн бұрын
​@DeathClawDC wait even other mods that aren't Nintendo are getting taken down including original mods that don't have a known ip in it
@SparkliOfficial
@SparkliOfficial 4 күн бұрын
Never thought I'd see modern day mario Talk to me in a youtube video What a great way to start a morning Love your mustache man ☕️❤
@cryingsmiles9010
@cryingsmiles9010 6 күн бұрын
Modding is a double edge sword. On one end, it is the easiest way to keep a game alive for a long time, with minimal to no effort. On the other end, you never know what is modded into the game. example, take a typical WW2 themed FPS game. When allowing modder to roam free, the possbility are endless. We have the harmless mod of adding a zombies, knights or spaceships. We can also have the R21 mod of female soldiers in bikini on the battlefield. We may also find the definately-should-not-be-modded Nazis and gas chambers. That is the core isse, we dont know what the modders will make. As such, I propose that modding should not be restricted, but must be regulated.
@tjhedgescout3052
@tjhedgescout3052 14 күн бұрын
Mods increase the shelf life of games, making them live longer than it's normal lifespan as it lets you personalize your experience.
@Rfisna
@Rfisna Күн бұрын
Nintendo is going to go out of their way to sue the alphabet for having the letter "M"
@FMHikari
@FMHikari 3 күн бұрын
Without mods, some games wouldn't even exist. At all.
@zigaudrey
@zigaudrey 22 күн бұрын
Modding is a great way to put our own challenge or story on an existing game. Or fan-translating! Depending on the nature of modding, it shows that the original game can be better or that thing can be fixed for a few hours. I got into modding because it is an activity idea, I share video and tools but the lack of resources for some lose me interest. For years of modding, I expected more. I am scared that if the dev focus on anti-modding tool, the game wouldn't be great.
@nickmudd
@nickmudd 12 күн бұрын
If it's PvP or a mod would impact someone else's experience, then it shouldn't be modded. But for single player games, PvE, old games...mod mod mod mod!!!
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