"This is going to be the turtle civ" Yeah, no kidding, considering their icon is a turtle

"undo the ties of serfdom" potatomcwhiskey: plugs in serfdom

I am the lorax. I speak for the trees. But for some odd reason, they’re speaking Vietnamese.

The reason the Encampment isn't getting those benefit yields from the terrain is because it doesn't count as a specialty district (Edit: I mean the Thành specifically doesn't count as a specialty district)

I'm actually insanely excited for some early domination shenanigans with her - half cost encampment that doesn't eat a district slot + fast early culture = fun dom times. I'm thinking early dom into culture will actually be very, very viable - and what I plan on doing quite a bit haha.

Just saw your comment on the original video, then got this alert.

2:16 Yes Potato, remebering to which era civic named *Medieval* Faires belongs is really difficult...

9:13 Here we can see that the campus is receiving the extra science from adjacent rainforest under the districts 9:34 Here we can see that the builder can move through two hills, so the bonus movement applies to civilian units.

I can see Teddy Roosevelt sweating already

Are you looking forward to fighting Vietnam? I'm not, those defensive bonuses look insane, would much rather play them!

If Potato gets salty with AI crossbowmen, i would love to see his reaction to these unique units

"based on guerrilla tactics" When a soldier first sees an elephant "Oh, dear God. How can we hope to fight such a monster? It is a work of tactical GENIUS!"

new preserve district + early reforestation combo sounds pretty good

"This is the turtles dream civization." *Looks at the civ's turtle icon... Also if you check out that burning district you can see the tile popup, it says burning rainforest... so I'd say terrain is maintained. It's funny I see your reaction video before the actual trailer...

Imagine deciding that you're going to play a Domination game, and then you spawn next to Gaul and Vietnam. That would really break your will to continue

9:48 for a second I thought that the Volchien had a base movement of 4 til I saw the great general and I was terrified

The Thanh is a non-specialty district, which is why it can be placed anywhere. Super interested to see how this is used in the future, reminds me of Germany’s ability to get an extra district slot

I’m pretty sure extra yields are based on tile the district is on rather than the district itself. Marsh gives production, rainforest gives science, and forest give culture

Don't let this distract you from the fact Potato didn't build the Venetian Arsenal.

Fighting Vietnam is extremely accurate to history. “They’re in the trees!” Also there is no accident that their logo is the turtle (tortoise)...

Hey potato - looks like the building yields depends on the terrain you’re adding the district to rather than the district, marsh for production, rainforest for science and woods for culture. Thanks for all the great work!

"might not be true for Vietnam" he says as his cursor showed that the district tile had "rainforest burning" on it :D

The Thani isn't a specialty district so it doesn't have the woods/rainforest/marsh restriction. That is why they were able to build it on an open tile.

Potato: " MEDIEVAL faires is in the Late renaissance." Also the forest and marshes thing only applies to specialty districts and the Thành is classed as a non-specialty district, which raises the question can one city build multiple copies of a thành?

I'm really hoping they do another pass on the older civs at the end of the frontier pass.. Some of the new stuff seems OP in comparison

Gentlemen, ready your war weariness We are going to the Nam

Waiting for this as soon as I saw the trailer. I got the notification 4 seconds after refreshing your channel page XD This civ is going to be an enormous appeal powerhouse. I can't wait to play her with a heavy rainfall map!

Was hoping for Ho Chi Minh as the leader, but I like that the Civ team looked towards another part of Vietnamese history for the leader. Either way I'm excited to play as this Civ!

If woods etc don’t get erased by speciality districts, will the tiles around them have higher appeal? Some sort of hidden culture victory boost?

Great analysis. I have a few additional thoughts: 1.)as others seem to have noted, it's probable that the encampment buildings probably aren't getting the bonus because specialty districts are those that require a district slot from population, so encampments are specialty districts and thanhs are not. Another possibility could be that districts that do not receive adjacency bonuses (encampments and entertainments) don't get the bonus. 2.)I think they're one of the most spawn-reliant civs in the game because, while you can plant woods quite a bit earlier, that is still the late renaissance, and a LOT of the game has been decided by that point. If you can't get the core districts that you use before that point in the game, you're in trouble. 3.)one last negative - so specialty districts require being placed on one of those features - what if a volcano removes the feature that the district is on? The example they show is a forest fire, which doesn't remove the rainforest or woods - it transitions from burning woods to burnt woods and then back to woods. Volcanoes remove the feature entirely. So, does it remove the district as well? One would hope that you just lose the bonuses to buildings. 4.)Now for the positives, having encampments not counting against the district pop cap means there's no reason not to spam them out in every city(thereby increasing other districts adjacency while giving itself gobs of culture), which also means you'll have obscene amounts of great generals, and if you combine the combat and, especially the movement bonus of the generals in addition to the civ ability, her army can absolutely put Simon Bolivar to shame. 5.) for secret societies, having districts not remove the feature underneath them should mean that vampire castles should get not only the adjacency of the six districts surrounding it but the food and production base yields of these tiles as well, which makes them some of the best castles in the game (for example, the adjacency bonus of 2campuses, 2 industrial zones, and 2 holy sites in addition to 12 food and 12 production.)

For anyone who cannot understand Vietnamese just need to remember those: "Bà Triệu" (226 - 248 AD): Lady Triệu ("Bà" means Lady when you're greeting a woman or a way to call women who are way older than you) "Thành": City "Voi Chiến": Battle Elephants For Bà Triệu's unique quotes, here's the full version for you: "I would like to ride the storms, walk the waves, slay the orcas in the Eastern Sea, liberate our country, undo the ties of serfdom, rather than bowing myself to be the concubine of whatever man." Legends said she was 9 feet tall and was able to subdue the monstrous one-tusk white elephant at the mountain near her village, this elephant later became her mount. She was told to have a "voice like a temple bell", to eat many rice pecks, and walked 500 leagues every day with her beauty that could shake any man's soul. Every time she attacked, she rode the one-tusked white elephant, with her golden armor, charged the enemies, and terror them. She killed her sister-in-law for betraying her by foiling the plan of rebellion. In 248, Bà Triệu and her elder brother, Triệu Quốc Đạt launched a rebellion at Cửu Chân (Jiuzhen) commandery (Thanh Hoá province nowadays) against the Wu Chinese (Three Kingdoms in China), they quickly took the city but Triệu Quốc Đạt died during the attack (either being killed in battle or died of disease). Later she led her man to capture the Giao Chỉ (Jiaozhi) commandery (Hanoi) and became the empress. But the Wu sent Lu Yin and 6000 men to suppress the rebellion, he used both bribery and attacking supplies to cripple Bà Triệu's army. She and her army were pushed and surrounded in Tùng mountain (Thanh Hoá), where she decided to suicide in 248.

I demand a benefit that says "if America civ declares war on you, automatically win and laugh at them"

Thanks for your interesting and insightful comments re potential gameplay on all your first impression videos. They really want me to check out each civ in question.

Maybe lady of reed and marshes could be really good with this civ if you maintain marshes yields when you build a district.

11:22 I think it's because the Thanh description goes out of the way to say that it is *not* a Specialty District, probably to clarify that Nine Dragon River Delta shouldn't affect it.

The Thanh also says it isn't a specialty district, so might be able to build multiple per city.

It took me a while to really appreciate this game but now that I have the hundreds of hours of playtime required to develop nuanced strategies, I'm on the edge of my freakin' chair about these new civs. Honestly this is the best game I've ever played. Also I was convinced Vietnam was going to be lead by Ho Chi Minh! Can't wait for the 28th.

Love all the new videos mate. Thank you

Only 1 minute and the first "speaking trees" joke popped out.

Enemy: "Why does rainforest start speaking in Vietnamese?" Civ dev: "Cuz Vietnamese built districts on it. "

The district bonus is based on what you put your district on. If you put a commercial district on rainforest you would get +1 science. If on woods +1 culture, marsh +1 production

Hey @Potato, I think Vietnam is more suited for a science or militaristic victory backed by culture, like Gaul. Here is why: 1) They will need to prioritize campuses in order to survive to technically advanced AI units that may easily overcome the +10 combat bonus from Vietnam on the defense. Their only science bonus comes from placing districts in rainforest tiles, earning +1 science for each additional building. 2) This bonus does not scale well deeper into the game: a fully developed district in a rainforest tile would only generate +3 extra science per building (This could be balanced by increasing these yields when the buildings are fully powered, for example). Also, the player would achieve the full +3 yield bonuses per district very late into the game, with a high production cost. So Vietnam should prioritize industrial zones as well. 3) As the Theater Squares become their 3rd district priority, they can rely on their cheap Thành to generate Tourism later into the game. That’s how I could see a Culture victory being viable to them, but they would require very careful district placement so I think they are more inclined for a science/dom type. PS.: Big F for river flooded cities, island cities, desert cities and cities with active volcanoes

Am I the only one who thinks Lady Trieu is kind of cute?

When they were showing the damage/movement bonus when starting on a forest, the unit was in a district.

Vietnam is probably a nightmare to have as a neighbour when you play as Brazil

The ability to plant woods at Medieval Faires along with the new Grove district is insane. Earth goddess with this chick is going to be insane

*concerned Teddy Roosvelt noises*

-conquer new vietnamese city -chop out all of the tile features for production -sell completely denuded city back to them amazing

cant wait for your Vietnam upload! Already planning to buy good snacks for that video! :)

The bonus from district buildings is related to what feature they are built on, not what the district is. So all district buildings built on woods will always give additional culture, whether the district is a campus, theatre square, etc. Really excited for this civ!

@PotatoMcWhiskey It would seem the Thanh can be built on any tile because it is not a specialty district. The Nine River Dragon Delta trait specifies that only specialty districts require forest, rainforest or marsh. That would then explain why it didn't have the tile bonus in this video.

The yield types for buildings are not based on the district but on the terrain the district is on. the commercial hub is on marsh so it gets production, but a theater square on marsh would also get production

Vietnam: We are impenetrable! Babylon: (yawn) Release the bombards...

Great synergy with religion if production bonus for marsh tiles stacks with the Lady of Reeds and Marshes pantheon! Also, Holy Sites would have extra faith from adjacent forests since building districts does not remove features! Same goes for campus/rainforest.

I can see Vietnam (bonuses for districts on marshes, forests, river) add in Ley Lines (which always seem to occur on flat land) and standard resource mines (silver and copper and my oh my) and you will have very powerful cities. Then the encampment replaced by the Thanh generating culture and tourism, wow. Add in the Voi Chen launching out of their territory and getting +10 combat and +2 movement on a surge attack to start an early war and they can easily crush early enemy AI, to grow rapidly to support Ley Line growth later. Amazing. Just another new OP civ that played right should always win. Still sounds fun though. lol

Dear Mr. McWhiskey, Consuming your content makes playing Civ 6 even more enjoyable. Perhaps Firaxis should pay you for being such an effective ambassador! Thank you sir! -J

It looks like districts maintain their terrain features with Viernam, which is really cool. Now those "+1 adjacency for every 2 districts" and "+1 adjacency for every 2 forests(Holy Site)/Rainforests(Science)" can be combined to easily get high adjacency for Holy sites and Science districts.

The Thành is not a specialty district, so it's not subject to the Nine Dragon River Delta feature. For that reason, it 1- Can be built in a clear tile and; 2- it's buildings doesn't get the bonus from said feature. At the same time, aparently, the districts don't remove the feature they are built upon, so, as mentioned in the video, that's the reason for the Campus district getting +3 adjacency (+2 from rainforest, from a total of 5, and +1 from 2 adjacent districts, industrial zone and theater square).

Being able to plant woods that early also synergizes really well with the new Preserve district, and other appeal based things like Earth Goddess

I am Vietnamese, so proud to see Lady Triệu in this update =))

A strong culture civ!, they're gonna be one of my favourites next to the cree and ghauls

Just looking forward to playing this civ! Also, buying the frontier pass was a good idea for me - even though being made unemployed by the covid pandemic, my money was tight, it feels like I've gotten good value for the money. I've loved all the releases thus far.

The Thánh will be good for setting on the very edge of your cities and placing a city there, not only for the culture, but to defend your new city as well. Plus your new cities starting tiles will likely move to another tile you want for that city.

Love your videos potato ❤️❤️ Please continue the good job

As someone who generally plays turtle anyway to go for culture victories, I’m really liking this Civ.

The Thanh can be built anywhere according to the text description : the placement requirement applies to specialty districts but the Thanh is said to not be a specialty district.

I believe this civ can have enormous value from Holy site/culture: plenty of pantheons provide culture bonuses, and the three buildings for holy sites are quite fast to acquire, so you can get +3 culture holy sites that will always have some adjacency bonus with woods (which you can plant earlier). So, a mix of early-mid aggression to get a neighbour or potential culture civ out of the way, and cultural end game with an immunity to other domination civs is certainly going to be my idea:) Now the same applies to a campus built to get culture and grab at least 2 culture, who knows? Nice different civ

Other civs initiating war:Oh no Forest tiles!! Vietnam:(Happy Elephant Noise)

With their description, it sounds like districts don't remove woods/marsh/wetlands. If so, the tiles could still burn and it would also mean district diamonds don't have to give up those adjacencies. Sounds legit.

Also.... Guerilla Elephant Snipers! GUERILLA ELEPHANT SNIPERS Let that sink in for a bit...

The fact that their encampments get a major adjacentcy bonus is insane.

Excited!

I just realized that the forest fire screenshot we had from Firaxis when the Maya & Gran Colombia Pack was announced was Vietnam, because their districts are on fire and you can see woods popping out underneath their commercial hub.

Saw someone say on Reddit that normally placing districts does remove features but Kongo's Mbanzas don't, and pre-Vietnam were the only districts that acted as such

The extra yields are based on the feature you build on, also. Not based on the district

Well seems like the soothsayer is a hard counter against them.

"you can do a fighting retreat, or an attacking advance" -potato 2021

Imagine how many different yields a Holy Site could get now, you could combo Work Ethic for Production, the one Great Scientist that grants Science for adjacency, use a Gurdwara for Food, and then place it on Woods for Culture.

Imagine playing Vietnam and then teddy comes with his napalm wielding soothsayers

How to fight and cripple vietnam: 1.get a soothsayer 2. Napalm 3. ???? 4. Victory

Interesting and crazy synergy with Great People when you think about it. *Having the Mausoleum and Leonardo da Vinci or James Watt, Industrial Zones generating either +7 Culture if built in woods (yes, 6 coming from the workshop) or production value of (2x James Watt + adjacency.. my math has about +13 as best case for that). *A campus buffed with Hypatia, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein with a science output of upto +15 or 16 (all depending on adjacency), late game doubling as production. *A holy site (makes sense to going either Sacred Path pantheon (faith from rainforest) or River Goddess, assuming on map start of course). Depending on pantheon, adjacency and follower belief (thinking Choral Music (culture output based on faith) or Work Ethic (production output based on faith), founder belief of either Lay Ministry (Holy Site and Theatre Square = +1 Faith/Culture) or Stewardship (Campus and Commercial Hub = +1 Science/Gold) and the final addition of Hildegard (minimum of a +6 faith/science) holy site... Of course, those numbers are without policy and governor modifiers as well as being my thought on the yield of the districts

Good vid. I'm looking forward to your national parks video.

The new preserve district is going to pair sooo well with Vietnam. Because you can build free encampments, you can use the extra district slot to build preserves, which you can superpower with your extra early forests.

i think the bonus yields on the district buildings are not based on the type of district, but the type of terrain it is on, thats why they placed 1 on each of the 3. so its likely culture from woods, production from marsh, and science from rainforest. EDIT: come on potato, medieval faires is a medieval era thing. i went and confirmed before i opened my mouth here. further in the video they drop a campus on woods, and it too gets culture int he buildings too. im pretty confident now that its tied to the terrain. ANOTHER EDIT: derp, it confirms it in the plain text of the ability ;D yeah the yields are based on the terrain under it. and you are correct that the terrain stays in place, they explained it in the video saying that they have to be extra careful because forest fires can really cripple them.

The Thanh can be built anywhere, and also does not gain the yield bonuses, since it is not a specialty district.

It looks like the underlying feature is maintained, which is very interesting for adjacency given the things that get adjacency from rainforest.

Great video!

Regarding the Thanh placement in the demo vid... The Thanh is specified, in addition to not requiring population thresholds, to not be a Specialty District. This is important, because the Nine Dragon River Delta ability specifies that it is Specialty Districts that receive the bonus yields to their buildings. That's why the Thanh in the demo video is not getting any bonus yields from it's buildings. The ability doesn't apply to it. But that's also why the Thanh can be placed there. It is also exempt from the Marsh/Jungle/Forest requirement for Specialty District placement.... Because it is not a Specialty District. This may have ramifications for Adjacency Bonuses, depending on whether the bonus requires a Specialty District (Theatre, Commerce, etc) or just a District (GovPlaza, DilpoQuarter, Aqueduct, etc).

There isn't a forest underneath the Encampment because I'm pretty sure that would give the Holy Site a +2 adjacency (two districts and two woods), not +1 (just the two districts)

So I analyzed a few things to clarify some confusion! #1. The UD replacing the Encampment, they said, was NOT a "Specialty District" which means and they said Does Not use up the population requirement for, again, Specialty District as it Is Not one. This means, it Does Not need to be placed on Woods/Jungle/Marsh tiles, as only Specialty Districts have said requirement. #2 That means, you neither need to worry about placing Coastal Districts differently, nor Non-Specialty Districts including: Aqueducts, Dams, Canals, Neighborhoods, (their) Encampments, or (the new) Preserve. BUT, it does look like for the Gov Plaza and Diplo Quarter this requirement will need to be met, as well as, for flight-related Districts, aka, Aerodrome and Spaceport. #3 When the Specialty District is placed on the Woods/Jungle/Marsh they Are Not removed. (I can prove this mechanic was already in the game, not to say they couldn't add it in the next patch with this release, the Wonders that require to be placed on a Features never remove those Features. Mahabodhi Temple needs a forest, and said forest can still be used under the Wonder as part of a minor adj bonus, and same with Chicken Itza needing a jungle. (I would assume the same forMont St. Michel, but as it currently is, there are not minor adj needs with marsh features, so it's a moot point.)) This means you can plan and use the Adjacency Modifiers from Jungles for Campuses and Woods for Holy Sites when other Districts are on them. BUT, this is why they said to "be careful of Forest/Jungle Fires (as if we could even prevent them,) because without the removal of those Features they are obviously still there and thus the fire can spread from other adjacent Forest/Jungle tiles and spread to them, burning the District and their buildings. #3.5. I cannot say if a Forested or Jungled District tile can be a starting point for a Wild Fire though, as Wonders cannot be affected by Disasters and to that point, i have never an instance where I had a fire close enough to M. Temple or Chicken Itza that the fire spread continued through the Wonder's tile to another forest/jungle tile, respectively. #4. I will have to assume though, relating to Appeal there can be benefit and downsides to having these Features not destroyed with District placement. The Jungles and Marshes will still be around to give a -1 Appeal to tiles around them. The way around this is going Culture focused only and not caring about the little extra Science from Jungles or Production from Marshes and chopping them are replacing them with Forests in the mid-game. The downside is, if you wanna do that, you have to wait. The upside is, all those new or old growth forests give +1 Appeal (then old growth +2 in the late-game, as the old growth Appreal Effect will still be at the original Civic.) (#5. One of two things I do not know is if when you attack Vietnam and Raze one of their cities, will the Woods/Jungle/Marsh tiles under the vanishing/razed districts stay behind as Features or will they too be somehow tied to the districts and vanish in the razing of the whole city.) (#6. The other thing I do not know are related to Combat Bonuses. I assume the +5/+10 Combat Bonus on Woods/Jungles/Marsh is added on the Defense to the natural Feature Combat Bonus. Example: Say you are a Defending Unit on a Forested Hill in your own Vietnam's land, you would get the Special +10 Combat Bonus PLUS the +3 from it being a Hill and +3 more from it being a Forest. Furthermore, I assume you neither ignore it on the Offence like it wouldn't be ignored when defending. Example: As Vietnam, you attack an enemy unit on a Forested Plains, you would get a +5 Combat Bonus, but they would still get the +3 from the Forest Feature for their own defense. NOW THE BIG QUESTION: Say you are Defending Ranged unit with the Garrison promotion on a Jungle Hill covered by a Specialty district that has been Fortified for over 1 turn. IF NOTHING IS IGNORED, I would have to assume on top of the Ranged Unit's Base Combat for Defense, it would get additionally; +10 (Garrison Promotion), +3 & +3 (Jungle Hills), +6 (>1 turn Fortified), & +10 (Drive Out the Aggressors), for an extra Combat Defensive total of 32. And if that was their new Elephant Ranged Unit that has a 35 Base Combat Strength, that would be Defense of 67 as early as the Medieval Era. so...DAMN! lol) (EDIT UPDATE: #6.5. Will the Marsh tiles give Vietnam a +5/+10 then also the standard -3 from it being a Marsh? I'd think so, but it's also possible the positive modifiers supersede the original marsh feature combat modifier and it would just be the positive effects with no negative effects. But we shall see!)

The special encampment is mentioned to not be counted as a specialty district. So it doens't need to population and it doesn't need to be build on a feature, but it also misses out the feature bonus.

Pretty sure the extra yields you saw with the buildings are from the terrain type under the district. For example, the reason the Shrine got the extra culture is because the video showed them placing the Holy Site on a Woods tile.

The thanh doesn't need to be build on a feature because it isn't a specialty district.

The City Patron Goddess pantheon will actually be VERY useful for vietnam. You'll be able to place a Quick Thanh AND first specialty district in every city, since the Thanh, is not a specialty district. Could spam non special districts including the Thanh, then place a specialty district.

@potatomcwhiskey the description says that specialty districts can only be placed on woods rainforests and marshes. Thanh description says that it is not a specialty district. so no you do not need to build it on forest/marsh/rainforest in fact if you do you just destroy the feature without getting any benefit. Also from the wording of the nine dragon river delta thing yes you do preserve the original feature underneath the district which means rainforests will be super good for that double adjacency if you got a bunch of them next to eachother since you can get both district adjacency and rainforest adjacency at the same time on top of the extra science for the district. Id say in a jungle region of a map this civ can outscience korea easily even in the earlygame.

Since the new encampment doesn't cost pop it is not considered a specialty district. So they don't have to put it on forest/rainforest/marsh

Thank you for the really really, really great content you've been pumping out! I (we?) love it. Is there any chance you could make a short-ish video about hotkeys in civ 6, that you think are actually important for a smoother gameplay, even for multiplayer?

This civ is gonna be an absolute unit it remembers me of Civ 5 alexander

Was seeing if you gave it a rating, but I'm looking forward to the morning when I'm awake enough to play it. I love turtling and being hyperdefensive so this just goes into my plsystyle about as much as Babylon's eureka feature did.

i watch you because you're passionate about things i don't understand