I'm so sorry to hear about that. It must've been so tough for your father.

Lucky for him that US mainland was safe from the war. Unlike Vietnamese people at that time, they hadnt had any safe haven to come back from injured, to get married, to have kids, to have ONLY six buddies died from the war until the war ended. We normally have HUNDREDS of friends and relatives died here and there. So, thanks USA from comming uninvitedly. Yeah, the US veterans are the Biggest victims of the war.

​@@syquydinh8794he has more of a life than you'll ever have.

🤣🤣🤣 instead of reading my comment carefully to fathom how the war look like from the other side and all of its consequences, you chose to judge me with your ignorance and bias. @coolman6139

@@syquydinh8794 says the guy doing what aboutism. Like no dude one side suffering more is not an excuse for the other side to not be felt bad about at all.

Well, Ho Chi Minh was already a socialist/communist by the time of the Versailles Conference so it isn’t like being ignored is what pushed him to the left, but otherwise yeah it’s unfortunate

Yup

@@JohnBrownsBody from what i know he was a nationalist and that he was fighting for his country independent not for politic, the OSS part of the CIA reached out for him during mid ww2 to fight the japanese

@@some_random_vietnamese7551 Ho Chi Minh's communism and his nationalism were inseparable - it isn't a "one or the other" thing. Like others in his time, he believed that one could not be a true nationalist and desire full independence and self-sufficiency from colonial powers if one did not break with an exploitative global market, aka capitalism. With that being said. he was an opportunist who was willing to make alliances with the likes of the United States if it would end colonial rule in Vietnam, but most politicians are.

Ho Chi Minh name It's Nguyen sinh cung

This comment does a disservice to the majority of men, who actually volunteered against a communist threat.

@@hawx00145 Given that this exact phrase was told to me by an American Vietnam veteran who volunteered, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

@@hawx00145 There was no communist threat. The biggest threat was American aggression.

@@hawx00145 That was practically no one. For most of the "volunteers" it was either "volunteer" for some military position that was less likely to get them killed or be drafted as cannon fodder. And of course there was no communist threat. The threat was to the Vietnamese people, who just wanted the colonizers out. Much like Ruzzia is doing to Ukraine today, the French and Americans were the invaders who had no business being there at all, and committed countless atrocities against the people.

It’s not like the Vietnamese were fighting for freedom. US was trying to prevent communism which was a very threatening thing back then. This was during the Cold War after all

Great idea 💡

God I would love to see that!

@@abthedragon4921 Same here, I hope that Oversimplified's next video is also about the Vietnam war. It's been something like 8 months since his last video, I guess we'll see...

@@majesticfirebird2310I mean Oversimplified has “higher production quality” so no wonder it takes so long lol

Oversimplified is an unfunny shill

This just isn’t true. A persistent myth. Ho Chi Minh was a dedicated communist to the core, but he was very strategic and was willing to compromise dogma in order to achieve overall objectives.

Although the U.S. opposed Ho because he was a Communist, the leader once explained, "It was patriotism, *not Communism* , that inspired me."

@@greenz051 My point exactly

@@greenz051 And yet this is a misquote which you copy and pasted off of the PBS website. If you go and actually look at the origin of the quote, the context changes the entire meaning. Among Ho Chi Minh's collected works, published in 1960, was the essay "The Path Which Led Me To Leninism". In this essay, Ho Chi Minh states: "At first, patriotism, not yet communism, led me to have confidence in Lenin, in the Third International. Step by step, along the struggle, by studying Marxism-Leninism parallel with participation in practical activities, I gradually came upon the fact that only socialism and communism can liberate the oppressed nations and the working people throughout the world from slavery." The point being that Ho Chi Minh did not see any contradiction between patriotism and communism, and in fact believed that you could not have serious patriotism without a communist society which would rid the nations of the vestiges of imperialism. If you don't believe me you can google it, but that quote is a misquote that people throw around a lot without finding the full original statement. The original essay the misquote comes from is in full here ( www.marxists.org/reference/archive/ho-chi-minh/works/1960/04/x01.htm )

@@greenz051 and @oliversherman2414 --Ho cited both patriotism and loyalty to the (international) communist cause as personal motivations. Occasionally, he extolled one over the other, but only tactically, to match his message to the listener, as was necessary to maintain a political balancing act. As @JohnBrownsBody explained here, Ho’s patriotism was inextricable from his communist conviction, and vice-versa.

Yeah uhm no. The US didn't torture and use tiger cages that was the Vietcong dumb dumb 😂. Also Vietnam loves America nowadays. Hell we are their main ally and their entire country is attempting 2 become a shell of what our economy is like.

Thank you for learning thw war from our perspective as well.

Wilson was a pretty rubbish and generally ineffective president IMHO.

@@jamesboyle6134Wilson is bar none the worst President of all time. Every failed US “intervention” sits on him, because his policies on intervention still stand today.

@@jamesboyle6134 Don't forget that he was a vapid racist.

Even if Wilson, an ardent racist and not particularly anti-colonial, somehow agreed to meet Ho Chi Minh and champion his cause, the French would’ve just ignored it. It’s not so much Wilson’s fault as the collective fault of the Allied powers.

It's actually not true if Ho Chi Minh ever went to Versailles because a lot about Ho Chi Minh was fabricated after he was basically put under house arrest in a coup in the early 60's and the regime used him as a figurehead

He actually already did one. It's called "The Conflicts in The North (of Ireland)" and is pretty good.

Forgotten? It's the one that's still going on today. There was no peace treaty, only a continuing armistice in an ongoing cold war that could turn hot any day, now with nukes.

It was because of the antiwar protesters that the U.S. lost. Not because of any military failures.

@@Dr.Fatherland If you lose a war due to morale failure, you still lose a war.

its true that the USA got their asses handed to them in vietnam, but the USA commited unspeakable atrocities and genocide against millions. this was as much a war as it was a massacre of vietnamese civillians by US forces.

@@Dr.Fatherland 20 years of war with no progress is a military failures.

​@@samwill7259no shit but saying they kicked our asses is hilariously downplaying had brutally we fucked them up and how little damage they did 2 us. 😂

Soviet Afghan War would be an interesting one to do too as it would have big geo political consequences to that entire reason as well as leading to the fall of the USSR.

Then you should also recognize many of this video’s inaccuracies and many pieces of our history that wasnt even included

Read Nick tulse’s “kill anything that moves” for the sobering reality of American war crimes in south Vietnam.

To their credit, the Viets really knew how to bury the hatchet after the war. Kinda like how the Philippines treated Japanese after World War 2.

Vietnamese people didnt choose to be your enemy. Your country made us your enemy 😅😅😅.

Idk I mean even though Vietnam fell to Communism, it would be the last. No other country would dare adopt Common because of the threat of US intervention. I’d say that’s a win

@@SeniorJr815 Still a lost. Vietnam have to adopt Communism for national independence. The Domino Theory was a fraud and it's nonexistent.

vietnam was not a disaster because the US failed, vietnam was a disaster because of the ungodly amounts of wanton destruction caused IN vietnam. What happened in the USA was absolutely nothing compared to what the USA was doing in vietnam

that or something else

You can't understand ANY war completely.

It’s really simple honestly Vietnam declared independence, white people didn’t like that because they wanted to be the ones to exploit the resources of the land. They started a war instead of simply granting Vietnam independence.

How sad

Weird that they still fly a flag that isn't recognised by any country

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​@@tntkit❤

Just a little Easter egg. His original comic book origin was that he was captured in Vietnam

Tell that to the three million dead…

@@JohnDRuddyMannyMan like i said, in a strategical standpoint where numbers matter. We lost there’s no denying it, but the american dream is what managed to survive because of our presence and how freedom was implemented

@@guavajumex Yeah, what a dream. About 4 million slaughtered, hundreds of children born each year with birth defects, cancers, missing limbs, because of American chemical warfare, thousands killed, mostly children, from American unexploded ordnance. No reparations ever paid. Keep your American dream.

​@@JohnDRuddyMannyManI did I laughed while I did 2 🤡. Vietnam loves America in the modern day their fight against America wasn't even top 5 of their worst wars go cry white boy.

Holy fucking shit dude, what the fuck did I just read. Did you really REALLY just write this? Vietnamese wanted independence, and they got independence and the United States did everything in their power to destroy their will. Destroy their people, destroy their culture, unless an army of racist sociopaths to murder and rape the population in a genocide. And what you take away from that is that the war was ultimately both a victory (which it wasn’t) and good (which it isn’t) Educate yourself before you write bullshit. Even this video for as rushed and mild as it is does not take up this line of reasoning.

But a small mistake tho, the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened, pure propaganda effort by the US

@@vdragon7468 They do mention that in the video, that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was false but was used to airstrike North Vietnam and have congress allow LBJ to escalate the situation further.

@@diegoquezada3193 the 2nd one he confirmed is false but the first one he never did

@@vdragon7468this is why I think LBJ was a bad president he opposed civil rights in his first years of law making and sent troops to Vietnam instead of just military advisors like what JFK and Dwight did.

there were few soviets soilders, i dont know about chinese though

​@@sandeepadhikari3907Actually Soviets mostly take advisory role. Radar, SAMs, high tech weaponry, the Soviet supplied and instructed us how to use them.

make no mistake, in vietnam the US forces killed a disproportionately high amount of the vietnamese because they were much much more poorly armed, and the USA was murdering civillians left right and centre, search and destroy missions would leave 6 dead for every weapon captured. the USA's actions in vietnam are as accurately described as war as they are genocide.

We did not take any foreign combatants from them.

The chemical you're referring to is called "agent orange", which was mostly dioxin. Agent orange and napalm were both used in the war.

agent orange, napalm, white phosphorus bomb, M67 flame thrower tank ..they used what they got except the nuclearbomb

He almost certainly will, but Ruzzia has to be defeated first.

It's more than that, after the Japanese defeat in WW2, Britain sent forces into what was at the time Indochina and if they had been given more support by the French and particularly Americans, would have succeeded where both the French and Americans failed.

I know! I wish I could! Drawing these takes time and I still have to supplement this channel with other external projects to pay the bills. If my Patreon can support me more full time, you’d totally be getting more content more often! Patreon.com/johndruddy ;)

Don't care, bad profile picture so your opinion is automatically voided

@@gamermoment5724 ok adolf

And the bulb doesn't light.

@@bennelong8451 L lol

Won't make a difference, Americans have their hands tied behind their back with Washington meddling with tactical and strategic decisions. In short, put more Americans in Vietnam, a lot more casualties will be getting out.

Dumb. Your grandfather should have been sent to the war then so there is no current you speaking bs. The vietnamese already prepared to fight another ten years so yes come at it.

China will never declare on taiwan. Their policy has always been to try and peacefully reunify with the island just like they did with hong kong. Problem is ofc taiwan doesn't want it lmao

Even Ho Chi Minh's enemies love Him

Just call it NLF

No, Vietnam is why we call them "baby killer".

3 million dead with only 60k friendly dead. But yeah no we got our asses kicked 😂.

Also it seems like you forget the soviets actively helped out and Vietnam at that time had one of the most robust anti air systems at that time. It wasn't tHeY gIt BeAt By RIcE fArMezrs. It's wow we killed all your proper.mikitaty equipment and your only option was 2 hide among women and children and booby trap everything. And even then we slaughtered the enemy so bad our people considered it a genocide and demanded that we leave.

Sympathy is your reaction

@@JohnDRuddyMannyMan What specifically do you mean? By the way, sorry if I came across as rude in the comment, I love your content and this video was really good as well in general.

@@fsexplorer9727 I don't believe Mr. Ruddy is actually extending sympathy to them. In fact, I strongly suspect his sympathies are with the former peasants.

@@jonc4403 I know, he was generally really good on the topic as always, I was just interested in the language used when the land was redistributed.

Because they are human, many of the North Vietnamese landlords was indeed wrongly treated. Land reforms are necessary for that period to re-distribute wealth more evenly, I do not attest to that, if not even support that. Yet the land reforms in NV not only did not result in compensation for the owners but also led to many deaths. The land reform was chaotic as it was lead by greed and long-built hatred and many commoners was peer-pressured by others to throw accusations towards the now powerless landlord class, because they do not want to be seen as "land-lord sympathizer" accusations that they would not have thrown otherwise. My great great grandfather was a minor landlord, he is known in the region for giving out generous loan and a significant of those were not required to be given back. When he was accused on the grounds of his wealth, he was executed. Yet because of his good deeds and lack of evil, many peasants, powerless to protect him, instead did what they can to repay, they buried him and marked his body. Thanks to that, decades later after unification, my family were able to go back to North Vietnam (from SV) to find his body and properly bury it; a blessing as many bodies were never marked and found. Another point is that a large number of the landlords that are executed were supporters of Viet Minh as they used their wealth to aid the revolution with many of their children are serving military within the People's army. For example, Nguyễn Thị Năm, a wealthy businesswomen and land-owner in North Vietnam contributed endless wealth and land towards the cause of revolution. Her property used to house many important figure in NV like Võ Nguyễn Giáp, Lê Đức Thọ, Trường Chinh. Her two sons were in the People's army and she was the leader of the Vietnam Women's Union in her province yet it did not stop her to become one of the earliest victim if execution in the land-reform. Ho Chi Minh lost all his de-facto power in the VCP after the land-reform for a reason, he had to do an official apology to the public for a reason after the land-reform was done, not because of the idea of land-reform but how it was chaotically conducted and how many it killed.

"The vast majority of the south vietnamese people literally wanted to unite with Ho Chi Minh" Are you kidding me????

How close?

Actually they did and lost. You can search up the operation linebacker 2

bro still wanna win the war his grandpa lost,

@@sandeepadhikari3907 I'm Bolivian. I have no interest in defending the Vietnam war. At that time, my great uncle was busy defending the homeland from the terrorist invasion by racist and homophobe Che Guevara.

@@MrAlegeniale Brazil was close allies with the US before or after the US destroyed the democratically elected Brazillian government and replaced it with a bunch of killers & torturers?

From what I been learning, Brazil would be ended up in a bad state if they send the soldiers to Vietnam, if you remember Cuba, the spark of revolutionary to against USA from turning Latin America countries into their's backyards so yeah Brazil would ended up even more worse if they taken part in the war

@@MrAlegenialeoh damn your grandpa was the bad guy

Lmao how so when the asses whose we kicked were white american