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Viltrox EF-M2, Mitakon Zhongyi and RJ Lens Turbo | Focal Reducer Shootout

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Lucas Pfaff

Lucas Pfaff

Күн бұрын

Jump to 5:11 for the interesting comparisons :)
A little comparison between three low-cost focal reducers. Be prepared for some surprises!
In the run is the good ol' RJ Lens Turbo, Mitakons Zhongyi Lens Turbo and the Viltrox EF-M2 adapter, all go from EF to Micro Fourthirds.
Sorry, no links this time, they are all over the place! :)

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@areiacreations
@areiacreations 6 жыл бұрын
You can take the plastic off the back of any Canon EF-S lenses using your fingers or a flat screwdriver and they fit perfectly fine :)
@genjii931
@genjii931 6 жыл бұрын
Not *any* EF-S lens, but some. I did it with my EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS and was able to use it with my BMPCC 0.58x SpeedBooster; the IS evgen worked, though it really made a huge impact on battery life on my BMPCC. Some non-Canon EF-S lens are actually using the EF-style setup, just merely cover APS-C image circle, so they tend to work without modification, or so I've heard.
@areiacreations
@areiacreations 6 жыл бұрын
Right. Can confirm EF-S 17-55 2.8 and 24 2.8 working on the 0.58x. The IS does affect battery life a bit indeed. Only Canon seems to have that EF-S only plastic thing. Sigma for example releases their APS-C lens like the 18-35 with the standard EF mount.
@genjii931
@genjii931 6 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to seeing if there will be a SpeedBooster specific to the upcoming Pocket 4K. I'd also like to see a PL to MFT SpeedBooster some time; I don't think I've seen anything other than simple adapters for PL thus far. The GH5s and the upcoming Pocket 4K could certainly use those. Super35 PL to MFT should be possible.
@cmdr.shepard
@cmdr.shepard 6 жыл бұрын
Only Canon has EF-S. There won't be a BMPCC4K special speedbooster, the .64x one already takes it down to 1.21x so I don't know why you need one. And there's already a PL to MFT speedbooster.
@genjii931
@genjii931 6 жыл бұрын
Let me put it this way: Third party lensmakers carry APS-C lenses for Canon. There may be a special Speedbooster for the P4K because it's a 1.9x instead of 2x MFT sensor. Might be a special one coming for the GH5s as well, as they've implemented the sensor as multi-aspect. I checked and couldn't find a PL to MFT Speedbooster by Metabones, only adapters.
@Scope25
@Scope25 5 жыл бұрын
I own the RJ Lens Turbo. I used it on the Blackmagic Pocket 4K last week lol It would be good to see a viltrox M2 VS metabones
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to make such a comparison but I don't know anyone (at least locally) that I can borrow it from. It's too damn expensive to just buy and ridiculous in rentals. I still look here and there to make a video about that :)
@Albanez39
@Albanez39 5 жыл бұрын
There are videos compering them. Apparently, optic-wise they are the same. The only difference is the wiggle you get with the Metabones (which Lucas mentioned). I don't see any reason why someone would spend $650 on a Metabones speedbooster. You can get the same results with the Viltrox for $125.
@cavalrycome
@cavalrycome 6 жыл бұрын
I'm in Berlin and have a Metabones Speedbooster but it's MFT to Nikon so you wouldn't be able to attach the same lens to compare it with your others. It's also the BMPCC version of the Speedbooster so the rear element would get in the way of the shutter mechanism on the GH5.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
cavalrycome shame :( the BMPCC version has such a strong factor that it's tackling the edges a bit too much on MFT, so it's not really representive :( Nikon wouldn't be an issue, as I can adapt Nikon to my EF boosters too :)
@cavalrycome
@cavalrycome 6 жыл бұрын
Well, if you want to test them all on a BMPCC body instead of the GH5, I could help you out.
@Freddd95
@Freddd95 2 жыл бұрын
What does the tiny switch on the viltrox do? Not talking about the big one, which is for releasing the lens. Thanks!
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 2 жыл бұрын
AFAIK, you can change the aperture on automatic lenses when the camera is not capable to do it (like the old 2.5K BMCC). You need external power (Micro USB) then
@yenaurapourtoulmonde
@yenaurapourtoulmonde 4 жыл бұрын
Superb review, thanks! And very crisp as far it is "only" a HD video, nice job.
@yudiyuidarmawan9555
@yudiyuidarmawan9555 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your review....so much useful
@ichidomo
@ichidomo 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Lucas, thanks for this outstanding test. I have been thinking about getting the Viltrox soly for the foot mount in order to distribute the weight better on my gimbal in combination with anamorphic setups and my heavier M42/OLY/CY primes. I own the metabones in Nikon mount and the Lens Turbo ii in EF mount. The smeary edge performance of the Viltrox really put me off buying one. It's quite strange since there are only 2 examples on the net I could find actually talking about corner performance of the Viltrox compared to other focal reducers. Concerning the Lensturbo vs Lensturbo ii do you think they both have the same crop ratio of x0.75 or any difference in performance ? Since I have been dialing in x0.726 for my IBIS settings with the LTii on the gh5 I might try x0.75.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
With Lensturbo I vs II you mean Mitakon? Quite a few companies call theirs Lensturbo :o I never had the first version of it, I'm not quite sure if the v1 was even released for MFT (wasn't it only for E Mount?). Personally I don't feel the Viltrox has such a bad edge performance in comparison, especially keeping the other factors in mind. Yet funny enough, I dislike it for anamorphic setups because I get vignetting with an 58mm while the Mitakon won't give it to me, haha :) I have nolong lenses around, I really have to check with those.
@ichidomo
@ichidomo 6 жыл бұрын
I have the Zhongyi Lensturbo ii, at least that's written on the side. I thought version 1 for MFT had the blue spot issue, not sure if they had it for MFT tho. And indeed it vignettes less with scopes than the metabones due to the lesser ratio so that's beneficial. I just wish it had a foot so I could fly it on my gimbal with my rollei zeiss planar and scope (Zhongyi please make a foot version! ). I saw another comparison where the sides were completely smudged with massive CA compared to the same lens with a dumb adapter and bigger sensor. Since I don't always need infinity I'm thinking to get a cheap m42 to nikon adapter instead so I can fly the heavier non-nikon 50 mm primes. Btw did you notice a huge difference in 4:3 on the gh5 vs the gh5s FOV wise or is the wider ratio only in 16:9?
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
ichidomo it's definately smudgier than without an adapter, but compared to other adapters not terrible (as seen here). I think it also depends a lot on the focal length and aperture, I saw no lens perform well wide open on these things for example. The GH5s multiapect sensor is only making a difference in anything but 4:3, as 4:3 is the MFT standard; it's not bigger for 4:3, it only uses the available circle of light for aspects that are wider than that :) I do think that you have a tiny bit on crop on the GH5 because of the IBIS. If it wouldn't crop a tad, you'd have black borders when it moves
@mereview2615
@mereview2615 6 жыл бұрын
I have viltrox ef-m2 MFT (canon version). I think its better optic than zhongyi (nikon version). But AF on viltrox ef-m2 is not accurate with yongnuo 85mm f1.8. I'm using lumix GF9 / GX800. I return n get replacement unit (now is 3rd unit). But focus is still not accurate.
@I5H78
@I5H78 5 жыл бұрын
it could be that the yongnuo 85mm isnt compatible with adapters
@antoniolorisfilm2285
@antoniolorisfilm2285 6 жыл бұрын
Bro how did you get the samyang/rokinon lens to work with the viltrox? I have the 85mm samyang and it doesn't work with the viltrox. It says the attachment failed.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
S4k films my 35mm worked without any issue. Does yours have contacts? I'd try to tape the electrical contacts and try it like that, you don't need them anyway
@antoniolorisfilm2285
@antoniolorisfilm2285 6 жыл бұрын
Lucas Pfaff Yes please can you show how. A lot of people are having same problems also. In the gh5 group on Facebook. Please
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
S4k films do you really need someone to show you how to use some clear tape, a pair of scissors and how to apply that? :/ I can't recreate the problem so I can't know if it fixes it
@antoniolorisfilm2285
@antoniolorisfilm2285 6 жыл бұрын
Lucas Pfaff yaaa I was told its going work but not properly. Thanks bro.
@jasonlindquistmedia
@jasonlindquistmedia 6 жыл бұрын
it is possible to mount that lens on the viltrox, just have to mod it by cutting off some of the plastic on the back part of the lens, tutorials all over.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
jason lindquist that's good to know, but I guess you understand that I don't want to mount an 8yr old Kit Lens when I'm mainly interested in nice primes... :)
@RoyalIsmayilov
@RoyalIsmayilov 6 жыл бұрын
I got this Vlitrox EF-2 the main problem is infinity focus you have to screw inside optic and find a infinity but it is impossible if you know this pls let me know . I using this with GH5S and Sigma 18-35 F1.8 art lens . And i did update.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
Royal Ismayilov no issues with infinity focus on my end, I just adjust the glas element like shown :o
@RoyalIsmayilov
@RoyalIsmayilov 6 жыл бұрын
Lucas Pfaff i did a same thank but it is not a perfect result and always you have to do this 🤦🏻‍♂️. Thanks for video 👍🏻
@creativeworxstudio
@creativeworxstudio 5 жыл бұрын
I have the combo Gh5 + Sigma 18- 35 + Viltrox EF-M2 and it is doing noises while autofocusing. Are those noises normal ? Also there is a little gap around 2 mm between the sigma and the viltrox where I can move the sigma. Nice video btw, I love your content ^^
@krishnataveras8734
@krishnataveras8734 4 жыл бұрын
I am crazy but I bought the RJ Lens Turbo because I wanted the FD to M4/3 and Viltrox does not make it. Alos the RJ is so cheap now.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 4 жыл бұрын
It's not crazy if it works for you :) I think Zhongyi also have an FD version, but sometimes the price is just too right :)
@amanieux
@amanieux 5 жыл бұрын
every focal reducer cause a loss in sharpness but the question i have is : do you get a better contrast/sharpness if you stop down the lens by 1 stop when using the focal reducer vs not using the focal reducer at all (like the 18-35f1.8 sigma lens at 18mm@f1.8 without viltrox vs 25mm@f2.8 with the viltrox ) the idea is not using the focal reducer to gain 1 stop of light but using the focal reducer to improve image shapness+contrast by stopping down the lens by 1 stop which is compensated by the focal reducer adding 1 stop of light.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
While certainly not in the edges, in the center you usually get a sharper image indeed. So compared to wide-open, you get the same amount of light with a sharper image
@amanieux
@amanieux 5 жыл бұрын
@@LucasPfaff by the way the 0.68 you got instead of 0.71 was not due to the focus to infinity position you have changed (as it may have some focus breathing) ?
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
You mean the compensation for infinity? I don't think so actually. After all, it now fits all my lenses just fine (all hit infinity on the mark). If it has an impact though, it's still wider than the others which are all set up so I can hit inifnity on the mark :) I'm not quite getting what you mean with parfocal here as no zooms are involved?
@amanieux
@amanieux 5 жыл бұрын
@@LucasPfaff yes my mistake, i mismatched focus breathing and parafocal
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
@@amanieux ah I see! A lens might introduce some breathing but as I'm comparing only at the same focus distance this should be quite neglectable, as the breathing should always be the same. Maybe I try to compare at different focus distances to see if it has an impact (macro and infinity, the in-between is in this video (I think around 2m or so))
@_lando8255
@_lando8255 4 жыл бұрын
thank you dude
@creativeworxstudio
@creativeworxstudio 5 жыл бұрын
I have the combo Gh5 + Sigma 18- 35 + Viltrox EF-M2 and it is doing noises while autofocusing. Are those noises normal ? Also there is a little gap around 2 mm between the sigma and the viltrox where I can move the sigma. Nice video btw, I love your content ^^
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
I literally have no AF lenses to test this with :/ where is the noise coming from, the lens or the adapter? Does it happen with other adapters too? A 2mm gap is really really much. Or do you mean you can "overtwist" it by 2mm?
@timmcintyre75
@timmcintyre75 5 жыл бұрын
2mm is crazy, but a bit of af noise is normal
@alv1nxx
@alv1nxx 5 жыл бұрын
you can shave off the EF-S to a EF lens though !
@RhettThompsonFilm
@RhettThompsonFilm 5 жыл бұрын
Do you think the Lens Turbo's focal reduction inaccuracy would effect the GH5 stabilization when you enter in the focal length?
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
With a focal reducer, you need to give the GH5 the resulting focal length anyway. So just do the proper math for the Viltrox and type that in :)
@RhettThompsonFilm
@RhettThompsonFilm 5 жыл бұрын
Lucas Pfaff right but I’ve been using the advertised focal reduction applied on the lens turbo for manual lenses. I’ve also heard the viltrox doesn’t play well with manual only lenses, is this true?
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
@@RhettThompsonFilm to a degree, every listing of focal length is an approximation; after all this even changes slightly when you have focus breathing. So the 0.3 difference shouldn't be too hard on the math of the IBIS, after all it must have some sort of tolerance included. What did you hear regarding manual lenses? I literally have nothing else but manual lenses and can't complain
@RhettThompsonFilm
@RhettThompsonFilm 5 жыл бұрын
Lucas Pfaff maybe it was a metabones or something else. I’ve heard of people taping over the contacts on the adapter in order to get them to work before! Thanks for the info! Sticking with the lens turbo for now.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
@@RhettThompsonFilm ah I see. That may depend on the lenses (and probably adapters on them), I had no issues so far but I heard stuff like that before. It's an easy fix so I wouldn't bother too much :)
@princeharbinger
@princeharbinger 5 жыл бұрын
Viltrox M42-E Focal Reducer $587.99 seems a bit much compared to the Zhongyi at $150.00 Not sure I feel comfortable spending $587.99 from a seller in China with sketchy reviews. Any sites beside Ebay that are trustworthy for these focal reducers?
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 5 жыл бұрын
The viltrox retails for under 150, where did you look? I can even buy it locally on Amazon. Maybe try AliExpress
@princeharbinger
@princeharbinger 5 жыл бұрын
@@LucasPfaff I would be willing to pay $150.00 I'm not able to find it for that price however. Here's the link. www.ebay.com/itm/Viltrox-M42-E-Focal-Reducer-Adapter-For-M42-Lens-to-Sony-NEX-A7-a7R-a6000-Camera/282216331721?hash=item41b56779c9:g:rIkAAOSw8w1X~UsX
@germantank
@germantank 6 жыл бұрын
Grundgesetz, Artikel 1, Absatz 1, Wort 2. Definitiv!
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
germantank ich würde auch
@ivanriobla
@ivanriobla 6 жыл бұрын
awesome vid info
@monsieurd.6890
@monsieurd.6890 6 жыл бұрын
Biggest problem of metabones and co : in video non micro 4/3 lenses have a very bad autofocus and a very loud one. Usable in video only in manual mode.
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
Totally, glad I don't use AF at all :)
@DIYCameraGuy
@DIYCameraGuy 6 жыл бұрын
I bought the g85 today. Now I need a speed booster for FD to M4/3
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
DIYCameraGuy Viltrox only makes modern adapters it seems, so Zhongyi might be your best bet here! :)
@DIYCameraGuy
@DIYCameraGuy 6 жыл бұрын
cool thanks
@ChinhNguyen-bg4tz
@ChinhNguyen-bg4tz 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, is possible to mount a M42 lens to Viltrox EF-M2 to Panasonic Gh4
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
With a fitting M42-EF adapter, for sure :)
@ChinhNguyen-bg4tz
@ChinhNguyen-bg4tz 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Instead of getting m42 to m4/3 focal reducer I am thinking of getting the Viltrox EF-M2. What adapter ring will works?
@ChinhNguyen-bg4tz
@ChinhNguyen-bg4tz 6 жыл бұрын
Would this adapter work? Everydaysource Black M42 Lens to CAN EOS EF Camera Adapter www.amazon.ca/dp/B0080DJUZK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_taa_v0upBbDR7PSYQ
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
Chinh Nguyen any should work. Just make sure that your lens doesn't go too deep I to the body (e.g. metal spikes), because that can hit the Viltrox and then it won't fit
@NaviRetlav
@NaviRetlav 6 жыл бұрын
How about KIPON focal reducers ? Is it better than Viltrox ?
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
Navi Retlav I was fairly interested in them but everything I saw so far was awful, so I don't bothered as they are quite expensive for the performance
@NaviRetlav
@NaviRetlav 6 жыл бұрын
Here I'm looking mostly for the Medium Format to SONY E focal reducer ( to use the Mamia lenses ), and sadly the Viltrox doesn't make that kind of focal reducers ;( Any other suggestions than KIPON ?
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
Navi Retlav afaik Kipon is the only one which does those, they might be pretty neat, I can't tell as they're quite different from what I'm after here :(
@ngaihongmok3222
@ngaihongmok3222 6 жыл бұрын
Could it support Tamron 18-400?
@LucasPfaff
@LucasPfaff 6 жыл бұрын
It's not a very heavy lens, so mechanically I see no issues :) If you mean regarding the electronics, as I mentioned in the video I can't tell you anything about that :(
@ngaihongmok3222
@ngaihongmok3222 6 жыл бұрын
Thx!
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