If you mean "Super Classic" as the style of kit (because there was a "Super Classic" shell, too). Hollywood, later Big Beat, is 5-piece kit featuring 12/13 small toms and a 16" floor tom, 22" bass drum and a 14x5 snare drum (should be matching, but doesn't have to be). Super Classic, later Classic, was the same kit, just no 12" tom. Hardware changed with time, but is not specific to the type of kit, only the era when that kit would have appeared. Downbeat was a Ludwig's 14x4 wood snare drum. It was always suggested with a 20" bass and 12/14 tom combo. These days, people tend to think (partly because modern Ludwig advertising suggests it) its the 20/12/14 kit with whatever snare drum you wanna play, but actually, it's a suggested kit that went with a specific snare drum.

Hollywood configuration is 22x14, 12x8,12x8, 16x16.. Pro Beat 24x14, 13x9, 16x16 Big Beat is the same only with a 12x8 and 13x9. Downbeat 12x8, 14x14, 20x14 Super Classic, 22x14, 13x9, 16x16.. Custom ordered Super Beat is 13x9,16x16, 20x14. Granitone was implemented to protect the interior of the shell from moisture, just like Tama copied from Ludwig with their Zola coat interior in the early 80s.. Ludwig was all over the place when it came to their series and configurations..😂 They also made gold and silver silk finishes.

I'll have some of what you're smokin'! Good show guys!!!

My 1st kit was a '65 Blue Oyster Super Classic 13' 16' 22' that I modified to a Hollywood 5 piece with an orphan 12' Blue Oyster tom. Removed the rail consolette and mounted that 2 tom post. Played that set-up for 25 years. Still use the '65 Supraphonic snare drum.

Mine is a 72. It has clear interiors, an outer mahogany pliers with the lacquer clearcoat. And you forgot they had Ludwig standards before the rockers

Ludwig was unprepared for their own success in the mid to late 60's. Charlie Robbie from Robbie's Music showed me a letter he received where Ludwig was so overwhelmed with backorders that they would not be accepting any new orders from their distributors as production was backed up for 9 months.

thanks for answering a lot of my questions, appreciate the video

Great episode! Chris and Mike, this may help keep track of the various kits and their names. It's from my 1975 Ludwig catalog (from which I picked out my first kit, a Deluxe Classic) Unless otherwise indicated: all kits come with a Supraphonic snare, and 1 bass drum Rock Duo: 2 up, 2 down, 2 bass drums, all Atlas hw Pro Beat: 2 up, 2 down, all Atlas hw Big Beat: 2 up, 1 down, Atlas hihat and snare stands, flat base cymbal stands Hollywood: 2 up, 1 down, all flat base hw Super Classic: 1 up, 1 down, all flat base hw, cowbell mount and cymbal mount on bass drum Deluxe Classic: 1 up, 1 down, Atlas hihat and snare stands, flat base cymbal stands, no cymbal mount Jazzette: 1 up, 1 down, smaller sizes (12x18, 8x12, 14x14) Mach 4: 1 up, 1 down, Supersensitive snare, all Atlas hw Mach 5: 2 up, 1 down, Supersensitive snare, all Atlas hw Quadra-plus: 4 concert toms up, 1 double-headed tom down, all Atlas hw Octa-plus: 8 concert toms up, 1 double-headed tom down, 2 bass drums, all Atlas hw

Actually the red kit would be considered a Deluxe Classic as it has no bass drum mounted cymbal holder. Clear as mud eh?

I like the Hollywood configurations. Nice comparisons. Like and subscribed.

And it's Dave Lombardo!

The red kit you called super classic was a deluxe classic because it Didn’t have the cymbal mount on the bass drum. I have a Black Panther super classic from 1971, it has the cymbal mount on the Kik ala Bonzo’s kits!

They.went to 1/2inch spurs when they started the 6 ply.maple lay up.

Mike you should do an episode about how you came to DFD from MD and all the in between.

With the comment at 8:19 about some of the drum spurs not being long enough -- I have seen comments before from people saying that the mounting bracket on the inside of their older Ludwig bass drums can be flipped one of two different ways to get a different angle/length out of the spurs. Maybe your drums are like that as well! Hope it helps!

Videos like this don't help with identifying Ludwig drums and kits. Starting from a place of what seems skant knowledge only confuses matters. The old drum companies sold a lot of drum sets through the catalogues they produced. As kids in the 20th century we drummers drooled at the latest catalogues from Ludwig or whoever, wishing to own such drums at some time in the future. These companies cam up with drum sets or outfits which included eveything you needed to buy and start playing, including sticks, brushes, cowbells, stool etc. This was an outfit. To make choosing an outfit easier, these catalogue outfits were given a name, Big Beat, Hollywood, Super Classic etc. So, when a seller offers 4 Ludwig drums, these are not drum sets, outfits or kits, they are merely groups of drums, and at best a shell pack or shell set. You cannot go out immediately and play with them as you have no hardware, pedals sticks, a stool etc., just a few drums. So when I see a for sale ad offering a Super Classic kit but the seller really only has 3 drums for sale, I have to ask myself why they believe they are selling a Super Classic kit. It's neither a kit, and because all the parts that would have appeared in the catalogue for a Super Classic outfit are not there, especially the 400 snare drums in almost every instance, I see that drummers and dealers have lost the significance of these advertising monickers used by the drum companies. Worse still is a sibgle drum, say a floor tom offered as a Super Classic tom - but there is no such thing. They are Classic Series drums. Even shells weren't offered as Classic or Super Classic to well after the Super Classic outfit name was hatched. As generations move on, all this information is suffering from the effects of Chinese Whispers, as information gets more and more distorted. .All these old catalogues are available for drummers to see if they search, I'd just ask that sellers and dealers really do the research on what they are selling before tagging groups of drums with the exotic names of complete outfits, which they clearly are not unless all the constiuent parts are included.

With all due respect,study the catalog,s.

The rail mount (super classic) is basically a virgin bass drum. the hollywood is… well…

That Red Silk kit is not a Super Classic, it's actually a Deluxe Classic! ;) The Super Classic would have had a shell-mounted cymbal arm holder on the kick drum for the ride. The Deluxe Classic, which was introduced in the late '60s, came with different hardware including a cymbal stand which took the place of the shell-mounted cymbal holder.

Even through the 80’s. The Rockers Series is kind of a cluster. Lol. They had Standard lugs, mini and large classic lugs, clear maple interiors, granitone and a weird pale painted color interior. 😓. Some with metal hoops. Some with wood. Some with inlays. Some with not. Trods and claws… some I’ve seen with the higher end rods and claws. And some with the cheaper style combos. One thing they all have in common…. They sound great and are inexpensive. But hard to sell

And I thought Rogers were confusing...

You can get longer Gullwing legs made by Ludwig

I learned nothing from this.

You're lucky there I still.a vintage drum market,but you need to do your home work a bit better.

Big beat would be 14x24 bass drum fyi.

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Know what I learned from this? Nothin’. But entertaining ah tho 😂

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I knew someone with "double rail tom holder one on each side of bass drum.....he said he got a better angle that way then with the common "tree double tom mount" you see on that ugly ass sin finish drum set. I also knew someone with this same ugly ass sin finish drum set.......THAT FINISH IS UGLY! In my humble opinion. Take care and I enjoyed your video.