Vintage V100 CS set up part 1

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Sam Deeks

Sam Deeks

10 жыл бұрын

Warning: this is part 1 of a long video. Luckily, this part is short. Part 2 other ISN'T :-) But they're NOT meant to be watched for entertainment. They are for people considering buying a Reloved Guitar - that's a bog standard budget guitar given a thorough overhaul and set up to play properly.
In these two videos you'll see a Vintage brand V100 Cherry Sunburst Les Paul copy getting the Reloved treatment - and nearly getting the better of me. I paid quite a lot of money for this guitar and it had far more niggly faults than the previous seller outlined. First of these was an intermittent pickup selector switch, second was a broken tuner and third was an unresponsive truss rod. Oh, and fourth was a slightly out of position bridge (meaning I had to remove the bridge, take apart one of the saddles and reverse it to get the maximum intonation range out of it).
Not great for the money I paid for it. And by the time I get to the end of the second video, I'm starting to make mistakes (reversing the wrong saddle, then putting the bridge back on the wrong way...to name but two) and losing my usual good humour.
By the time I finished this guitar I had:
• Levelled, re-profiled and polished the frets
• Checked and adjusted the electrics
• Fixed then re-broken a broken tuner
• Upgraded the tuners with a new set of Wilkinson Vintage EZ-loks
• Restrung the guitar with new Ernie Ball 9s
• Polished out some paint repairs made by a previous owner
• Filed the nut slots
• Set the playing action (eventually)
• Intonated each string
That's 4.5hrs on this video and another hour on top of that changing the tuners and polishing the repairs. That's a LOT of work to make this guitar play as well as it now does - yet this guitar LOOKED the business when it arrived a couple of weeks ago. It just goes to show you...
By comparison, the black V100 we're also refurbishing although in a far worse state to look at (and not working when we got it) is proving to be much less trouble. And we only paid 1/3 as much for that one.
Even on a good day it takes us about 3hrs to inspect, dismantle, clean and properly set up a guitar so that it plays way better than it did when it came out of the factory or the shop. Don't forget, that's doing work that the factory doesn't do, the shop doesn't do and the person who had the guitar before you more than likely didn't do. But it still needs to be done and without it, your guitar probably plays like a dog.

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@verdaodamassa
@verdaodamassa 3 жыл бұрын
I'm really love a cherry Les Paul! That guitar is iconic... It's so FANTASTIQUE!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 3 жыл бұрын
Same here!
@musicslurp
@musicslurp 9 жыл бұрын
One of the most informative videos I've ever come across on youtube. What a genuine chap. Well done Sam. My next stop is your Ebay shop.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment, much appreciate it. I haven't quite got the hang of planning out having an eBay shop in a sensible, findable name... so you'll find me under 'sam_deek' :-) The only downside of doing a video for each guitar is that you *might* find it very boring to watch more than one - since I'll be saying the same thing over...and over....and over... :-)
@joeguitar75
@joeguitar75 8 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video. Everybody who wants to buy a guitar should watch this ! Thank you very much !
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Guitar You're welcome Joe. As with any opinion online, some people think it's useful and some just hate it :-) That's the way the world works. Glad you found it interesting. It was a long time ago - check out my most recent set ups - some different techniques and I also probably improved my explanations a bit too :-)
@anxiousmindmusic
@anxiousmindmusic 9 жыл бұрын
Love the passion and the work put in. Vintage guitars are perfect for this treatment because the hardware is so solid. I'm following your eBay shop waiting for the right guitar..
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Ashley - thanks! Let me know if there's anything particular you're looking for that I should aim at?
@andrewbutcher3391
@andrewbutcher3391 9 жыл бұрын
I actually spoke to Trev Wilkinson recently he's a very decent guy. I can understand the reason. Your explanation is sound too. Anyway I made the adjustment myself and it's fine now. The pickups and hardware on Fret King guitars are brilliant.
@OddTimeMan
@OddTimeMan 8 жыл бұрын
I picked up a Vintage V100 Icon about 8 years ago and it still plays and sounds great...after a little work. I went with a brass nut just to be different. It brings me back to the late '70's. I had a fret-dress and set-up done. And even though the Kluson-style tuners worked ok, I went with Gibson Modern tuners made by Grover because I just like them so much more. Everything else is stock and works great.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
Well worth tweaking and keeping :-)
@samkiely3855
@samkiely3855 9 жыл бұрын
You make a good point, honestly one of the best playing guitars I have is a £40 strat copy from cash converters
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 9 жыл бұрын
Sam Kiely Some of my favourite guitars have also cost around the £40 mark, so I'm in full agreement with you Sam
@andrewbutcher3391
@andrewbutcher3391 9 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have been playing the guitar for years and spent a lot of money buying and selling them but only recently discovered you don't have to pay a lot of money to get a decent guitar. I have a couple of really good Epiphones and a brilliant Greg Bennett guitar that cost £250 but seems better made than any of the Gibsons I have seen recently. I am really interested in a Vintage V100 as they seem to get great reviews but I bought a Fret King recently unseen but at a good price from the same family and the height of the strings in the nut is awful.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 9 жыл бұрын
Andrew Butcher Oh, that's a shame. I had hoped that Trev Wilkinson would have made sure of that kind of detail Andrew (the nut I mean). But it's no different from the vast majority of other guitars and brands - all with ridiculous heights over the 1st string. So far in all the guitars I've worked on I've not yet found one I couldn't make play well...you don't have to pay a lot of money to get a decent guitar but you DO have to invest time to set it up properly whatever you buy.
@RAX1Music
@RAX1Music 9 жыл бұрын
+Andrew Butcher If you're interested, I have a Vintage V100 CS for sale at present - £150. Pickup from Bournemouth or will deliver to UK. It's 3 years old but has only been played in the house - no gigging. Lovely guitar but I want to trade up to a Telecaster...
@andrewbutcher3391
@andrewbutcher3391 9 жыл бұрын
+RAX1Music Hi thanks for the offer. I just have too many guitars at the moment! I have a couple of high end ones on Ebay at the moment. I would have a look at the Fret King Tele style guitars. I have two a custom remade tele with three Lollar Vintage pickups a Strat pickup in the middle and a Jim Adkins Tele. Both great and a bit different.
@williampereira8868
@williampereira8868 9 жыл бұрын
So very well said and honest assessment of the guitar industry P.S.I like the bed room guitarist baaaa its ok but for a good bed room guitarist thank god we have people like you to take care of the problem.then again im from canada quebec and I can count on two of them for repairs if needed major that is that i know of like the old saying once you found one that you like you keep.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks William - appreciate your comment. Don't worry, I've been a 'bedroom guitarist' for about 35 years. Only in the last few months have finally got my act together to play in a band with real people :-) Stay well in Quebec, great to hear from Canadians. I just received the best tool I've bought so far this morning - the 'Bendernator' from a guitar tools maker in Canada. Just AWESOME, expect to see it in video shortly :-)
@williampereira8868
@williampereira8868 9 жыл бұрын
Sam Deeks Thanks that will be coll, Ill be watching
@undercrackers56
@undercrackers56 6 жыл бұрын
So these shops are missing out on a regular value-added income. It would be very reasonable to have an example guitar setup correctly by an in-shop luthier, but carries a price tag which shows the guitar price plus setup price. This instantly educates the customer into understanding that regular guitar maintenance is part of owning and using a quality instrument. It also ensures that customers would probably be more open to (more profitable) lesser brands, providing that they play beautifullly.
@kidda74
@kidda74 5 жыл бұрын
I've got one of those, it needs setting up properly other than that it's nice for the price!
@kenrandall4494
@kenrandall4494 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, Kenny Randall here, I would like to say again how much I enjoy watching your vids. I was wondering what you thought o f the Fernandes Les Paul, I have a superb one that I have done a lot of work to. I couldn't agree more with your ideas on lower priced guitars and I do the same as you, only for myself though as a hobby. I do like your little shed as you call it. Looks real Cosby, and I bet it has that nice workshop smell. More power to you, love it. Kenny.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+Ken Randall Hi Kenny, thanks for your comment :-) I've not seen a Fernandes Les Paul but I've heard they're quality instruments. I did set up a Burny Les Paul (that's another Fernandes brand, right?) so pretty much the same thing. It was very solid, nice guitar. I just came back from rehearsing and the two guitars I took were my home-made DIY SG (from a kit) and a £40 Westone Spectrum. I played the SG all evening, awesome guitar, awesome sound, fabulous to play and didn't have to tune it for 3hrs. Cost peanuts; just well set up :-)
@juancalunaes
@juancalunaes 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Very nice video. Where do you sell these guitars you set up? (any link information will be appreciated) thanks
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi there, thanks for your interest. Most of the videos here are of customer set ups with only a few being guitars I buy, set up and sell on. When I do have them for sale they are on my website here: reloved.guitars/index.html (with links through to eBay) But I don't have much on there at the moment, sorry! The Reloved Guitars Facebook page is more up-to-date with what I'm doing & selling: facebook.com/relovedguitars/
@jonmcdade7219
@jonmcdade7219 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam. I'm 61, a complete novice and I just bought a new Vintage V100 (Tobacco Sunburst) after doing what I think was reasonable product research and personal invetory for myself. I did this for me after decades of silly hesitation. Question: what should I be doing at this point in regard to setup should I being looking to have done? Should I find someone at the shop or locally to cover your suggestions? Thanks; your passion and authenticity are obvious; I'm glad found this video.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, thanks for your kind feedback - and congratulations on treating yourself to a nice Vintage V100, cos 'you're worth it' :-) What should you be doing regarding set up? Well, you could send it to me and I could do it; you could buy my eBook and follow the steps in there... or of course you could find a local technician to set it up for you. Just be aware that what many techs and repair shops call a 'set up' really means 'as far as we can adjust things without levelling the frets' which, in reality, means very little or often none at all. The reason why just about every set up in these videos features precision fret levelling is because all guitars come with uneven frets and because those uneven frets almost always prevent you setting the nice low action you want. If you ask a shop for a 'fret level' or 'fret dress' they will usually charge it as a separate activity to the set up and the two together will be fairly expensive. The set up on the Vintage V100 is likely to be 'playable' but far from it's optimum set up which can easily be low, fast and light - with some careful work on the frets and the nut slots.
@jonmcdade7219
@jonmcdade7219 7 жыл бұрын
Wow, that was a quick response; that speaks volumes. :-) I live in New Zealand, so shipping costs may be prohibitive. How does one acquire your ebook? Would reading it make me more conversant with a tech (or a pain in the ass). Or, should I take just take it home and get on with it, and then move on to all of the "fine tuning"? Again...thanks!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Jon McDade Ok yes postage to NZ could be a bit steep! :-) If you search 'reloved guitars' on Facebook you'll find my page and there's a 'pinned post' at the top of the page covering how to get my eBook. The eBook shows you how to do my complete set up (including precision fret levelling) with low-cost, everyday & DIY tools. Even if you didn't want to do the work yourself it would teach you all you'd need to brief a tech with exactly what you wanted done. With greetings to NZ! Sam
@jonmcdade7219
@jonmcdade7219 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much...I've subscribed!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon facebook.com/relovedguitars/photos/a.1434485003475282.1073741832.1434242346832881/1831237983799980/?type=3&theater The book is designed for step by step (plus links to videos for each part of the set up featured in the book)...even if you didn't want to try the set up yourself (I'm sure you would!) it would save you time and money knowing / understanding what to ask for when taking your guitar to a tech near you.
@andrewcanning1247
@andrewcanning1247 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a vintage v100 in iced tea, it's getting ready for new strings though, what gauge do they come with as standard? What do you recommend for them? Ta, Andy
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy - it all depends on your finger-strength & playing style. 9-42s will feel nice and bendy but a lot of people seem to like 10-46 on Les Paul style guitars because of the slightly shorter scale length. This makes 10s on a LP feel more like 9s on a Strat... If you've got the money Elixir make great electric guitar strings (the coated Nanoweb & Polyweb kind) but Ernie Ball, D'Addario and many other brands are decent quality for a lot less money per set.
@BadMotivator66
@BadMotivator66 8 жыл бұрын
what's your opinion on vintage vs epiphone and vintage vs rally? thanks!
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+Bad Motivator I've not played an Epiphone Les Paul copy (weirdly) so can't judge them. I prefer the two Rally LP copies I've played to any Vintage LP copies I've played for three main easons - but bear in mind these are of course subjective views. Firstly, I personally think the build quality of the Rallys was better. Secondly, I love the sound of the Rally pickups. Thirdly the neck set up and playability on the Rallys feels better to me.
@BadMotivator66
@BadMotivator66 8 жыл бұрын
thanks! yeah, i have a Rally flying V in white. there's nothing on the internet about them, and i've only ever seen one other. in the shop when i bought mine!! the hardware in fantastic quality! particularly the jack socked and 3 way are still very solid, and ive had it 5 years!! it's very odd you've not played an epiphone haha! i'm sure you'll get around to them eventually! thanks for the reply
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
I ought to get an Epiphone soon! :-)
@BadMotivator66
@BadMotivator66 8 жыл бұрын
:D
@_Yatzek_
@_Yatzek_ 8 жыл бұрын
quick question for Sam: wich one is better (in Your opinion) Vintage or Benton?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Jacek - I think the Vintage (so long as it's the Trevor Wilkinson era one)...reasons being minor but important: 1) the Vintage just *is* more resellable thanks to the brand / model being well known and likes and 2) Trev Wilkinson stuff is pretty good all round and he puts neat little innovations into his guitar designs...although not so many in the V100...
@jasoncoventon6866
@jasoncoventon6866 7 жыл бұрын
Sam I just got one of these in the Iced tea color how much do you charge to set one up like this?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jason - my fee is £100 which includes full precision fret levelling, new bone nut, the set up and set of strings. Takes me between 3 to 4 hours as you can see from my more recent (full length) videos. Fee free to email me at samdeeks@gmail.com if you'd like to discuss further - thanks!
@jasoncoventon6866
@jasoncoventon6866 7 жыл бұрын
Sam Deeks ok sounds great thank u
@VTlojol
@VTlojol 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the varnish of the finish is nitrocellulose and if the red color of the painting is aniline, would you have this information?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
The finish on these guitars is always polyurethane, almost no mass-produced Chinese guitars have nitro as I understand it
@VTlojol
@VTlojol 6 жыл бұрын
I understood, a luthier friend of mine said it was nitro, but I did not believe it.
@Chrismagdich
@Chrismagdich 6 жыл бұрын
Is your fretwork along the lines of using a Plek machine?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, the approach I used back in 2014 in this video was a straightforward 'flat neck, level frets with levelling file' approach that most people use. Since then I've adopted a 'levelling with the guitar fully strung in playing configuration' approach that has numerous advantages for me. I suppose both / either technique is like the Plek machine in so far as the aim is to achieve a more level fretboard. But the similarities end there really - the Plek machine is a very hi-tech machine that analyses the fret positions to the nth degree and levels them according to all that info. I've watched a fairly lengthy video with the Plek operators describing what they were doing with the Plek machine that didn't make a lot of sense to me. All I can say is that my current method gives very good results and you can do it yourself for virtually no money invested.
@Chrismagdich
@Chrismagdich 6 жыл бұрын
Sam Deeks thank you sir for your kind response!
@74quo
@74quo 7 жыл бұрын
hi,I'm interested in buying one of these,do you have any for sale? thanks
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, right now I don't have any V100s sorry but thanks for your interest.
@Doug5524
@Doug5524 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam, I must agree with you, but if this is £300.00 new I would sooner pay £320.00 to 350.00 to make it a great guitar it's such a shame
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Doug, thanks for commenting. This is a long time ago now but the basic reality hasn't changed: consumers buying a £200 guitar are really buying an unfinished item. They can either live with the uneven frets, rough edges and high action (at both ends usually) or they spend time and / or money sorting those things out - which makes it a £300 guitar. The reason the retailers sell guitars in that condition is, of course, for two simple reasons: 1) consumers demand the lowest price (which forces cost cutting) but 2) those customers buy whatever quality the manufacturer throws at them. From the retail / manufacturer's point of view you can't afford to change anything and anyway, why would you? The bulk of your market is still buying like crazy because - luckily - they don't yet know any different. This by the way is why my market is almost entirely in the 40yrs + age bracket. They've learned the difference and can afford to pay for it.
@Doug5524
@Doug5524 5 жыл бұрын
Can you tell me where you are based, thank you?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Doug - I'm in Devon, southwest UK. I do most of my set up work via courier, 100% no loss, no damage on around 500 guitar courier sends (thanks to my packaging!) so very safe.
@dronephotographyireland
@dronephotographyireland 4 жыл бұрын
First rule of fight club ,,,Always use a towel or similar to lay the guitar on,,,That was pretty much your only pitfall here....
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 4 жыл бұрын
In my defence it was 2014... I don't think I could afford a towel back then :-) Edited to add: although you can't see it in this lighting, the work surface was covered with carpet.
@vithaj7834
@vithaj7834 7 жыл бұрын
If you put it on youtube, anyone can watch it for whatever reason they want.
@mrcrappyguitarist
@mrcrappyguitarist 8 жыл бұрын
i understand what you're saying sam m8, but it still means that shops are selling guitars that need money spent on them to work properly. its all wrong, you should be able to buy an instrument from a shop thats 'bang on' from the get go. such is life my friend...
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
I'm with you: it should be done properly. I guess the sad reality is that too many people have bought too many unset up guitars for the manufacturers or the shops to feel they need to change that :-(
@mrcrappyguitarist
@mrcrappyguitarist 8 жыл бұрын
plus...if asked....im sure the retailers will offer to do a set up for you. at a cost, of course ;) lol.
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
mrcrappyguitarist At one big dealer, I asked about set ups. They said 'Our guitar techs are busy all the time doing repairs / modifications, they don't have time to do set ups on guitars we sell. Anyway, those guitars are always pretty well set up at the factory...." etc. "But would they do a full set up on this £1500 USA Gibson if I bought it?" I asked, holding a guitar that I'd just played (and which I'd found had intonation issues from the 1st fret action being too high). "Oh...I'm sure we could put on your choice of strings on for you...and set the action if you wanted" he said helpfully.
@remoteuser65
@remoteuser65 7 жыл бұрын
Where's Pt2?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Carl Windsor ''tis waiting until customer decides on custom decal...but if I don't hear from him soon I'll probably get it ready to sell on :-)
@remoteuser65
@remoteuser65 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam. I would so much like you to do mine. I love the sound of the guitar but I think it needs your magic touch. How do I go about joining the queue?
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 7 жыл бұрын
Email me on samdeeks at gmail dot com Carl we can discuss, happy to do it
@remoteuser65
@remoteuser65 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam
@colintraveller
@colintraveller 8 жыл бұрын
JHS can't and don't sell guitars direct from there website period thaat imo is bizarre you can only buy a vintage from a dealer or 2nd hand on ebay etc .. . they are only a distributor for the wilkinson brands and eq . Incidentally Harley bentons all come with trev wilkinsons eq ... but am still waiting on a guitar reviewer to do a review of both makes ..
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars
@SamDeeksRelovedGuitars 8 жыл бұрын
+colintraveller Yes, I noticed that the Harley Bentons started coming with more and more Wilkinson hardware over the last year or two. IIRC at the start, the HB hardware was unbranded.
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