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finally a developer perspective on vision pro, thank you!

i couldnt stop laughing when the cup hit the vision pro.

Thank you, I have searched soooo many videos for a few things, and you are the first person to address some of them! I wish you talked about these things a bit more, but thank you for touching on how you can use the Apple Vision Pro with a Magic Keyboard, in particular for programming without pairing a Mac! (I don't have a Mac)

I’m also a developer with a Vision Pro and this movie was pretty spot on with the same criticisms and praises I would’ve had

If you could open native Mac windows in the Vision Pro you wouldn't be limited to a screen at all, you would just open bunch of them and have them around you. I'd like to do this for recording music, you could have the DAW floating wherever you're playing instead of always having to go back to the laptop.

You're reviews are always the best, so informative and straight to the point while also being funny. Can't stop watching!

This is the most usefull video I've watched on the AVP. I think the best device will be lighter, multiple screens a bit like the approach visor by Immersible are apparently working on (remains to be seen in the wild yet) with 5 screens possible and you hook up to any of Windows, Mac, Linux as well and about 1k$. More of a visor than headset. I don't know what the comfortable weight is but the lightest appears to be 250g. The question remains if all the bells and whistles of Apple's approach are necessary for multiple different development projects and options envisioned that galvanizes development and use and interest? But for dev work I think the simpler model approach seems best for all the above reasons. This video did a brilliant job of showing how the AVP can be used for development and pros and cons some of which you'd only start to consider if wearing for a while but overall adding more screens will make a big difference to AVP for this dev use case, clearly. Did not realize the immersion background could be so nice also. A beach with setting sun seems a nice option?!

this is very interesting to me mostly because of how I feel looking at your eyes after you wore the thing, very informative

Thanks for the informative video. I think the Vision Pro is a good start. I am sure it will be amazing soon.

Great breakdown of gotchas and what to expect!

It's always the chicken or the egg with new Apple products. Without the new device out in the wild, there is no way to vet it and stress test it. While I understand the complaints especially because it is so expensive, this is to be expected on a first gen product. Kudos to Apple for the massive spending and tying up their engineering resources on a spec product that may or may not ever become successful. And that is why Apple has been as successful as they have been, taking chances, and betting the farm on products no one even asked for.

Fantastic video and really shows the challenges ahead to see what is really required to develop apps for this new product category from Apple.

Thanks for the wonderful review - sorry about your coffee mug :) that was a great laugh for the morning. This is exciting, and I hope there will be the ability for multiple functioning desktops, such as when you add a desktop(s) while working with a MacBook. Rather than needing to swipe between desktops, having those in the space you are working in would be interesting to see the functionality. Looking forward to the future.

Immersed running on my M2 MacBook Air & the Quest 3 allows me to have multiple virtual desktops of varying resolutions floating around me, with either passthrough or a virtual environment as my workspace. It works very well, with crisp text.

Good overview!

Thanks for showing the real experience

Best review yet 😅 Love how you started it

This was helpful as productivity was one of my primary interests in this device. Knowing the keyboard and mouse can join is good. What about apps like bbedt, notepad++, etc in terms of native compatibility? The VLC hack is great

Just something I'd like to add in case you don't know, theres a setting to change the height of the trigger for control center. The default is really low which is why you likely trigger it accidentally so often. I'd move it to the 5th setting which to me has been the top of my eyesight without tilting my head.

Thx for the video! :)

Nice video. I hope I can test one by myself soon. I live in Germany. This tec is interesting for me because I already work fulltime in VR. I work this way over 3 years now and it works for me.

Great video, Alex! As a low vision dev, I’m skeptical of being able to use the VP, but you’re helping me visualize hours I might use it. Thanks!

Very nice video all around. How would you compare the experience to using multiple screens with a Quest 3 and an app such as Immersed?

cool review - THX

Thanks! What do you think about pressure on our eyes while work with this device? Will it hurt eyes in long term?

Dude literally the 2 biggest issues I have that I have not seen anyone talk about. The drinking and folding laundry.

The location height of the control panel toggle button in your field of view can be adjusted to be less in your direct line of sight in the settings app.

Great video! Interesting to see the current state of the VP with every day issues like the coffee mug 😃 I see the potential of a device like this but I think there is a really long way to go. Biggest issue will be the form of the device as the goal would be "normal" glasses with such functionality. I imagine something like normal glasses which just act like a VR screen and the MacBook is doing all the processing.

Good video. Thanks. Cant imagine it, but far far away to get one in Europe

Great video, Alex. This is the real use case I am interested in. I’m sure it’s great for movies and such, but it seems that for most dev tasks it may be more limiting than useful so far. I would be interested, though, in how it is for doing AR/VR development. Is it more like an iPhone, where you really just use it for testing, but do the developing out of VR on the Mac? Also how about just VisionOS apps in Xcode for spatial computing?

Really good video!

You can move up the control center dot. Go to settings >> control center, then it’s slider on the top

I think the Vision Pro is really exciting! That said, I'm waiting for Vision Pro 5 before I jump in.

thanks Alex

When you use the insanely large resolutions for your MacBook display, can you also resize the viewport to be much larger? So I would then have to turn my head a bit to see either side of the viewport (think cinema style)? That seems like the ideal tradeoff if you're giving up all of your other monitors

Did you find that trackpad continuity across MacBook and visionOS apps worked as well as it does on the iPad?

That context menu (Little Green Dot) can be moved higher in your field of view. Settings > Control Center > Indicator Position

Kudos for the cup humour. I really giggled. The MacBook connection seems to work flawlessly but I have a Mac mini with a third party screen. Does it work the same way?

theres an expression that says "going around your ass to get to your elbow". with all the vids ive seen on vision pro for productivity, that expression fits perfectly as far as the justification for spacial computing being the use of multiple "virtual" display monitors rather than one nice physical display like a studio display. still love the vid Alex, keep up the good work.

Great Video Alex.. I've had an AVP since launch and find your video very well done, I agree with your points. I would add you can make the simulated Mac screen very large, and I don't see a degradation in quality. Weird hack I've noticed is stepping back allows me to make a bigger screen where I want it to be, then walk up to it, and the larger size is retained. While it's not 2 screens, you get very readable large screens, I think mine about 55" on my desk, and takes no space. Another thing I've noticed, I've switched back to the solo loop and find it as comfortable and much easier to adjust than the other, and the initial heavyness of the unit no longer bothers me, I think it's getting used to it. Sliding the solo loop up and down the back of my head helps to adjust how it lies on front.(I haven't seen anyone cover that yet, but subtle shifts up and down affect how it sits up front) A tip for drawing/whiteboard, simple place your app on a real wall and use it like a whiteboard with your fingers.. key is to put it on the wall. (I hope they make it so you can place notes flat, being able to push against something, even lightly improves the experience)

Those videos you make are great.

😂 the coffee scene. Just hilarious

what I'd like to know, though, is what the productivity is like in a development environment. What I imagine is that you'll be (because writing code is precise), on a physical keyboard to actually get work done. So a lot of the virtual keyboard tech is not a factor, true? So did you do anything with compilation as a part of the workflow, anything where Simulation as you would for developing an iOS app would require, and try in the VPro environment? Or is it just an expensive screen for the MBP?

Was genuinely curious if you'll get it. I need a programmer's opinion on whether this would be handy enough once we can put tabs from a single app into separate windows so I can have all my classes opened all around me in VSCode or if it's just a gimmick.

Nice video, thanks for it. I honestly don't use the screen mirroring so much because of the same reasons you mentioned. Coffee, for example, Lol. Since I'm working on an app and a game, I first did a game builder with Lua support. With that, I can work remotely, with unlimited native VisionOS windows and without the laptop. But I'm very much impressed so far with how nicely all works with RealityKit and SwiftUI.

stellar review for the usecase , grounded clear and exhaustive , also the tone is very pleasant =) so big nope to vision pro for work, its spacial sure, but not "computing" , more like entertainement and roaming

I think Immersed hinted they are making a Vision Pro app, which would fix the single screen issue. However, as someone mentioned, they are working on the Visor headset that's much lighter/cheaper (I'm still skeptical it'll be everything promised). I've used Immersed on Q3 and love it, but it's still not as convenient/comfortable as coding at my desk with multiple monitors.

I think that monitoring infrastructure will be great. One screen with Kubernetes dashboard, other with the cloud web console, etc

Question: Can you not drag the mac's projected screen out to be larger, using the bracket in the lower corners of the windows as you would the native apps? You can set the resolution to be higher then make the screen physically larger, no? Thanks!

Great video, also have a Vision Pro and this is the first review that I feel is in sync with my reality. I have not forced myself to dev on it yet and I need to get a Bluetooth keyboard. For me the killer use case is using it to watch movies on a plane. It’s nice to be in another world while trapped in a flying tin can.

Good video !

You can move the control center button up so it pops up less unless you very explicitly look up inside the headset. It’s a quick fix! 😁

Nice video… it gave me more clarity for replacing desktop with Vision Pro 👍🏽

Multiple screens would be amazing for this. And it’d be nice to be able to increase the screen size. Look at however many lines of code is whatever, but squinting isn’t fun. It’d be cool if I could make the workspace larger

FYI, you can change the height of the Control Center green pull-down arrow in the settings, if the default height is bothering you.

Great insight, I'm also a developer but I think I'll stick to my Quest 3 for gaming! Couple of things, why on earth did you not make the 5K monitor screen bigger? I was literally screaming at the video LOL and the shortcomings with lack of multiple monitor support can be overcome. I can see they are worried about bandwidth, but it's really not an issue with a good wifi 6 connection, unfortunately it doesn't support 6e like my $500 Quest 3. It should be possible to have maybe two 1440p monitors for example or three 1080p monitors so that should get better in the current headset.

I'm also a developer and I bought it on VisionPro and it's coming at the end of February. It's funny that it crashes with the cup. It's funny to think that's me in two weeks. I'm also planning to use Vision Pro for Windows and Mac (Mac mini, Macbook) to open multiple windows and use it for development. I tried to develop with Metapro before and failed, but I'm looking forward to it. But when I tried to make a desert in VR and develop it, I thought it was amazing, but I was a little disappointed to see that the keyboard was not visible. I'm looking forward to seeing how much better it will be with software updates over the years.

Great Video. How about a Video about the Vision Pro doing Admin-Stuff like using ssh or RDP to Windows Server, opening 10+ Putty Sessions there and switching between them. This would be great.

Have you ever walked down the street holding your iPad and had the thought, "man, I wish I could jump into this iPad!"? Good, me neither. No one has. No one ever will. VR is NOT a computer screen. VR is a dream shaped canvas.

There’s a slider in Settingsthat allows you to move the control center button much further up.

Curious if you can try using the iPad app Duet display in vision OS to use it to get a second display with your MacBook

yes, rd client app you using in macbook, that same app is available in ipad as well.

I get brain fog when I have the wrong posture, mainly head position. But I also like to switch up sitting positions a lot. So the main benefit I see with this thing is having a comfortable head position no matter where/how you sit.

Question: Is there a feature that indicates where your eyes were looking during screen recordings? Kind of like showing the location of taps in phone screen recordings. Having watched multiple demos now, the way the screen is foveated (thus out of focus depending on where you look) is ever-so slightly frustrating as a secondary viewer. But I think it'd help to know where the original viewer was looking at the time of recording. That way my eyes can kind of follow along with theirs to see things more sharply focused.

Alex, my recommendation would be to use the dual loop band. It’s tougher to fit correctly, but once you have your strap lengths dialed in, it will cause much less fatigue on your face.

Can you resize MacBook window on Vision Pro from the corner? To make it even bigger

LOL, how the coffee cup hit the Vision Pro when you tried to take a sip.

The pov vids on this is gonna go crazy

This is great, but there’s one other developer scenario that seems very high-potential - creating experiences in WebXR. I’ve learned about the community by working on Glitch (where many WebXR devs hang out), and it’s based entirely on open standards, dev can be done in any plaintext editor and works in most popular browsers (you can even make stuff without owning a Vision Pro!), and since it’s standards-based, the worlds or experiences you create can even run on other platforms. Would love to see what you think of building that way.

How about virtual screen from macbook, at max resolution and increase the size of the window to be like 100 inches? Or how about going into vision pro gives your mac multiple screens, so youre not limited to one mac screen sized box?? How about connecting to macbook and integrating mac apps to act like vision pro apps (seamless virtual screen)? Theres a long way to go until it would suit actual working. Also has to lose a lot of weight or fix weight distribution problems.

What is the app you were monitoring battery and CPU with?

Really want multi screen support for laptops, and bigger resolutions. End of the day my 3 monitors cost over 3k, if I could replace them with the Vision Pro plus have all new vr/ar apps as well, would be prefect. I would love a super large simulated monitor, 120 -180 degrees wide, do a lot of UML modeling and screen size is my biggest problem.

great Video

i really wonder if it works with non-apple bluetooth keyboards. I'm not an apple user for years now but just using things like steam-inhome-streaming, shadow and the browser app would be enough for me to use it productively and for gaming I guess.

I am saying it all the time - Apple products (except MacBook) they work perfectly in "ideal conditions"... But if you face bad conditions, you are so screwed.

Sorry if already covered... What is the app that shows CPU usage and whatnotof the VisionPro that you're using at 3:45 ?

have you tried making the screen bigger? might work with the highest quality

How is the 5K when you make the "screen" far larger in your view? As in, why not look at the corner and drag it out to be bigger? Might work well for coding to have a cinema screen size display at 5K

Thanks for the video. As we move to more advanced process nodes, there will be no need for future Vision Pros to have fans for cooling, which will make the device much smaller and lighter. I'm also hoping for better camera quality and maybe they can use machine learning to fix some of the issues. I want the battery pack to also function as a Thunderbolt 5 dock for wired connectivity. I also want the UI to use 3D objects instead of flat 2D objects.

I am happy about this video

Can you resize the Mac virtual display window. I can on quest 3.

7:56 can you scale up the virtual monitor? if that so I think it could be more confortable with the highest resolution

you forgot to try 5K but make the screen bigger, that might fix the issue of things not being clear while also benefiting from extra screen estate. would have loved to know if this helps. One more thing, if the vision pro is able to track the apple keyboard position, does that mean it will allow it to show when 100% immersed just how it does with the hands?

great video i agree with most what you said but the meta quest pro kinda blows this out the water too IMO would love a comparison

You mentioned about vnc. Can you please share the link or the name of the vnc which i can use to connect my windows and macbook devices remotely? TIA

Not having multiple screens is a huge deal breaker for me. I use an ultra wide monitor and a standard monitor when developing.

Why not set the resolution of the virtual MacBook screen in Vision Pro to the largest possible size, then position it close enough so everything is readable? That way you'd have the screen real estate equivalent to multiple large Mac monitors. Every app window could then be positioned without overlap and enough content to work efficiently. VisionOS apps could be on the periphery.

Curious why you chose to decrease the 5k resolution instead of enlarging the window - was that a preference or requirement because the window would be too large?

Alex, could you share your experience with Vision Pro + MacBook? Is it comfortable to work with a shared screen with Vision Pro? I heard that the screen is in focus only partly, where eyes are focused, and it's uncomfortable. Do your eyes get tired? If you choose between a MacBook screen and a virtual screen in VIsion Pro to work in ID - what do you recommend?

Like for the video :) but As I said earlier, it's a useless device for work (unless for testing/dev. internal apps) IMO, Once you buy it you'll have to get lots of "dongles-workarounds" just to get it to work a bit more comfortable like w/o the set. It was obvious 3K+ resolution per eye cannot give you the same sharpness of a monitor in a window, unless you go full screen or lower the resolution of the monitor. Also you lose all your external monitors and portability :) Did you see the size of the case? So instead of carrying just a macbook, you'll have to carry that case, + a macbook + an external keyboard (+ external touchbar). Dark environment issue, yeap, it's camera sensors, less light - higher ISO (noisy picture) and slower "shutter" speed (motion blur) I love how Apple releases a product and makes you think that it's perfect and then makes you to buy several other products just to fix issues with the already perfect product :) Not many people will admit that this was a bad deal for them, especially with that price.

If this gets smaller in size, like eyeglass size, it'd be amazing as I realized as I was testing it that I didn't have to switch between two eyeglasses -- which I do on my computer as I am both nearsighted and farsighted -- as Apple configured my prescription in minutes -- to use it.

you can adjust the hight of the pulldown menu button.

One question about 5k resoution. If you place that resolution, can you make the window insanely huge to compensate how small the text is?

Pls review Xreal Air 2 and when it is released the next model Air 2 Ultra.

That 5k resolution is what I'm looking to do. I like a lot of real estate. How usable/doable is it to pull the full 5k resolution window very close to you, or increase the virtual display size to max?

you need the overhead strap to relieve the pressure off your face lol. I will be getting one, but I will be waiting for a few Generations until they perfect it. I want to be able to work and game without having a physical monitor, allowing me to work literally anywhere.

Speaking of the cold coffee I Highly recommend the Ember coffee cup to keep your coffee warm during the day. Expensive but the comfort of never having a cold sip is worth it to me

How does it affect your eyes 👀 does it strain

I really liked the real world perspective in this video. AVP seems to hold promise, but it’s still kind of an experiment, a little like the first watch, which has really evolved. AVP will really need to advance on the weight, resolution and connectivity fronts for this use case. I’m kind of wondering if its potential is as a super evolved iPad coupled with a portable Pro XDR Display. Evolving the display tech and the connectivity will be the hard part.