If the only reason to take sergeants over voulgiers is to deal with missile heavy factions then why not just bring more sharpshooters instead? Sharpshooters deal with ranged units and thin infantry, voulgiers screen cav charges and crush any infantry who make it to your lines.

@@rickkybobby8118 heavy in sergeant w pikes, compliment w voulgiers, mainly bc of no shields. Charge cav and pepper w sharpshooter, then engage w infantryman. Reduce the loss of numbers

Can get some more of these videos pls 😌🤞👍

The stats on the weapon of the Voulgier is unfortunately showing you the one-handed stats of their weapon. Wielded two-handed, the voulge is easily comparable to the weapons of the other shock troops. And the Voulgiers definitely wield them two-handed.

@@HybridSol1221 No I don't think that's very good strategy. Easiest way to win is always to have more ranged troops and skirmish the enemy down. You put your voulgier infantry behind your ranged so they don't get shot, then charge them through your ranged troops if the enemy get too close. Charging your cav into the enemy is a good way to get them killed. Cav should also be held back and their mass used to blunt enemy cav charges and bog them down. Horse archers can be effective if tightly controlled by the player but there's just no need imo (unless you're doing a full horse archer army build).

The problem with testing is that you need to know how to read the results. Blindly thrusting the math is simply wrong. I have spent months playing the game with all the units it had to offer, with good and bad perks before making the videos and refining the testing. Testing in a vacuum as it's utilities, as does experiencing the troops with a good captain build on a campaign map. How do you think i got to the point were i am confident that the Aserai Veterans were the best on 1.7. and 1.8.? Not by testing. But by running a full Aserai Campaign with a good build. In 1.7. the Veterans were 6/8 if you looked just at the numbers. Or how, despite them being terrible in melee, i think the Wildlings are far better than the Oathsworns and a solid unit for a Battanian only army. Back in the day i had to show people that Crossbow units were overrated because of their low DP (Damage Potential) testings helps in showing what you are noticing on the field and improve your game. You don't just know which troops perform better, but you also understand what perks are needed to fix their weaknesses, or boost their strengths, or how to exploit an enemy army. Problem is that the data can be overwhelming and without an extensive experience of how troops AI works the findings are hard to explain. You should never trust only the numbers as you should also not trust only your experience. It's all relative and at times the paper lies or the experience is biased. The Legionaries might be great against T5 units but what if they are mediocre against lower tiers? That's when the tests throw you the curveball, if you know how to read the numbers you can evaluate accordingly. That's why i call the Legionary "the most reliable" but not "the best". The enemies don't bring enough high tiers for the Legionaries to shine in comparison to others. What i am trying to say is that you need the right balance of both and the willingness to never blindly trust either. Or else, if evaluating troops was just a matter of taking data anybody could do it well. Or if it was just a matter of personal experience anybody could do it well too.

Agreed the voulgier and billman are great flankers use say imperial infantry to lockdown the enemy line and have these guys come up for the side or rear of you can and they will just chew through the enemy (especially valuable when the fighting is too dense for your cavalry to brake through as they are really vulnerable if they get bogged down

Some axe have shield breaker perk, i don't think the vladian ones have it compare to the sturgian ones.

Absolutely but in most fights in never gets a chance to get off the ground in field engagements

Damn, those must be some serious "forth Eorlingas" moments.

did they change something with their bannerknights? i tried the same around a year ago and it was terrible. they even lost to archer occupied with shooting at my infantry. neither charging nor follow me charge worked the only thing that kinda worked was dismouning them close to them and let them engage on foot. against infantry they faired even worse. so i kinda wonder if they have rebalanced them.

@@thanquolrattenherz9665 you should learn to play mount and blade before you type such asinine drivel.

@@jarredlucas4000 dude they simply were shit at the time i wasnt the only one complaining about it at the time. when i played during the time the ai failed with couch lances on horse which led them pretty weak on charges since the overwhelming majority simply didnt hit. something i now tested they definitly fixed not only can the ai now circle charge in a good manner they also hit on charge. also i played this game from when it was released and the examples were simply to illustrate to which rate you had to go to make them work even against units they were supposed to be good against. so jarred spare me your git gud attitude if you have no idea about my skill level when you probably only know how to deploy fians in a working manner.

Totally agree but the better option because the game does not punish you enough for it is to just take the best unit type from each faction but I hate doing that. At most I mix only 2 cultures but I like a theme. Currently I have a khuzait/sturgia one as I try to sorta make the golden horde/rus

unless you're aserai who are just good at everything lol

​@@Deathelement53 the game doesn't punish you for having troops from multiple diffferent creatures, but depending on what stage of the game you're in it can be extremely difficult to hire large quantities of any troops from fiefs that don't belong to your faction

@@hannayapelekai1628 which is why i said i hated doing that

@@Deathelement53 ?

One of the Steward perks let's you discard weapons and armor to boost xp, at the end of battles once your fighting 100+ you can get loads of xp 10k+ depending on loot

If they can make it to the enemy lines through barrage or ranged attacks and cavalry running them down. Having some held back to protect your own ranged from an enemy melee advance would make sense.

Dw isn't in the game mate, lol

oh man thank you so much! very kind of you!

Vlandia is just vaguely western european in general, not just explicitly english and french. In fact, it might make more sense to say that they're frankish inspired, which would include the later HRE just as much as france.

@@darthplagueis13 Taleworlds gave them French Accents for the voice acting roles, and Battanians got British accents. Sturgia kind of got a German/Scandinavian infused accent. The Empire got the British "posh" accent.

​@@evalationx2649they made the game in a fictional world so they could do what they want. Why do you want history accuracy in a fictional setting

@@sultanofswag8901 Historical accuracy has little to do with it. It was a trash unit in history and it's a trash unit in this game. It was only around for about 100 years in our world and then done away with in favor of the armoured Pikeman.

@@evalationx2649 damn bro that's crazy but the game isn't real

How to you place individual units

TW is just lazy and can't be asked to remove it.

This is exactly what I was wondering as well, I've also watched Stratgaming have completely different opinions in terms of troop quality, and I think you're right it has to do with the perks. I hope he answers this question though.

@@vaspia19 There are no perks in custom battles. There is a mod called Enhanced Battle Test that allows you to be a captain and add the bonuses but generally it's not used, unless that's what you want to do or you have to test some units like the Sword Sisters or the Mercenary line. Also Cameron. From my 1.8. analysis i state the opposite. The Spearman is quite a good unit. the Voulgiers was screwed by the AI that didn't work thus the low score. But on 1.7. they were very solid, not amazing in comparison to other shock troopers but solid. On 1.0. they are around middle of the pack, the low armor is still an issue for them and even with captain perks there are at least 3 units that are simply better. I have played enough of the game to had the pleasure or displeasure to evaluate all units in 30+ years campaigns in the span of over an year. The Custom battle is indeed a vacuum but not as sealed as many thinks it is. You are free to argue with that, but that's what i think after testing units and playing the game for a good two years.

As the second comment points out, the on paper stats, and the actual gameplay outcomes are vastly different, mainly due to AI more often than not. For example, for the longest time, Sturgia was out and out the WORST faction, despite good stats. What screwed the Sturgia line was during the early and some mid builds of the game, the AI fighting would try to maintain a distance of 100 units. The was a problem of Stugia because their one handed axes, the most common one handed weapon, had a swing range shorter than 100. So Sturgian axemen and heavy Spearman would pull out their axes, and then BACK UP out of range of their swing, meanwhile most other factions primary one handed had over 100 range.

@@LyonExodus Thanks for the clarification, I must have missed that when I went back and double checked the video. I've played extensively myself but I've never done the controlled testing that you and the other guys have so I appreciate seeing it. I could have swore you said the Heavy Axeman was just better in all situations except the obvious anti-cav. I find myself relying on cavalry for most anti-cav anyway so I didn't think twice about it, but if you say they're solid then I wouldn't argue with you. I think testing in custom battles is valuable, and especially for the sake of just getting a baseline for the units.

The thing is, with various captain skills, they basically 1-shot unshielded infantry. And while they only have 1 quiver, compared to most archers bringing 2, their lower rate of fire means that they burn through the ammo only slightly faster than a tier 5 archer unit from other factions. They also have better range from what I have seen(probably due to their high missile speed) and do not lose much accuracy when tracking targets horizontally(ie, tracking enemy cav and such). Another nice thing about the Sharpshooter is, that once they have spent all their ammo(usually at a pretty good "per shot" value), they are all pretty competent melee fighters, having a shield and good sword, as well as decent armor(and 130 in one-handed and athletics, but so does all tier 5 ranged units from what I know).

Crossbowmen are going to get more value than any archer except Fians unless you’re fighting entirely tier 4 and below. When it comes to tier 5 or tier 6 units they just have too much armor for archers to compete. Again, the exception is Fian Champions because they have monstrously high bow skill and Bound Longbows. Fian’s will also die more frequently due to not having a shield. They are fantastic infantry and their 2h swords make them excellent shock troops when you need them to do it, but the Crossbowmen fill the more standard Shield Wall role when they need to which is much more valuable in most situations. I could probably take over all of Calradia with nothing but Sharpshooters. I couldn’t do that with Palatine Guard probably.

@@fendelphi the crossbow taking out lower tier infantry (which happens a lot) isn’t a significant upgrade over an archer with more than twice the ammo for me. Competent melee fighters sure, not good melee fighters which kind of gets them chewed up unless fighting recruits.

@@fendelphi people underestimate too much how much the damage and accuracy difference does... I can charge in myself to bait the archers to shoot me while shielded or picking off archers. but crossbowmen make that basically impossible for me, I found out the hard way even with the shield.

@@blakecheboygan Talking about Sharpshooters specifically here, their equipment and fighting skills actual equals or surpass most tier 4 infantry. They will generally perform much better than non-battanian Archers in sieges due to those same reasons(and for their cost, I will say that they might even surpass any other ranged unit during a siege in terms of efficiency. Fian Champions are devastating, but they also cost 50% more in upkeep, and they are vulnerable to flanking fire once they are fighting on the wall). As for their ammo, I would rather get 2-3 lucky hits on a head(guaranteed kills, fairly likely to be against enemy cav, as they like to charge ahead) with 18 shots(not to mention a bunch of body shots), than 15 wounding shots on various targets with 40 or so arrows. Archers are great for softening up multiple targets or finishing off wounded foes. Archers also have some benefits in terms of mobility(move and shoot), as they do not have a stationary reload process. But a good Crossbow can kill an enemy infantry with 1-2 shots, while it will require 2-3 shots on the same target with the Fian Champion(and with a higher chance of missing, requiring additional shots/longer time to kill). Against low tier fodder, Archers are better, but then again, everything can deal with that.

there are normal horses and war horses. make sure you have the correct kind.

They'll automatically do it :)

I agree with your point about cavalry. The thing with range units though is that they're the best troops for a siege defense and i find myself trying to fill my castles/towns with 2 of them for every 1 infantry man. Imperial archers and both crossbowman having so much armor and shields comes in huge for fighting infantry off the walls.

I'll bring that up in the rest of the guides that's a great point :)

Agreed. I've been looking for info on the best "value for money" troops as I often play as a bandit or merc with limited funds but virtually everyone only compares the highest tier troops.

It's entirely random unfortunately

@@italianspartacus Thanks! Is it the same set for all your units or will it be different individually? And does it change with the next battle?

@@TheGupp19 it's not random. If a unit has 3 templates the first unit will spawn with template 1, the second with template 2 and the third with the last template. In the end if you have a number of units that can be divided by the number of templates you will have an equal number of each one. That's why average armor of the template plays a bigger role than just considering the best or worst template. same goes for weapons. An example is the Veteran Falxman that has 1 template with a good helmet but the other with a terrible one. The average head armor of the unit is quite poor in the end. And for weapons a unit like the Legionary that has 2 templates with a mace and 1 with a sword will always have a 66% chance to have a mace and a 33% to have a sword across all the Legionaries in your army

they removed it going from warband its so dumb that was a good feature

Oh, and thanks for the video! Your channel is very instructive :)

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Battania is right next door if you want to be a traitor to your own people (being a traitor is good actually)

You know two doors down the sturgian war lord awaits another brother in-arms, we would warmly accept you into our family

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​@@jaystar9053 sturgians are tough until the trees start speaking Battanian

You can just turn on cheats and add the amount

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Shit I always pronounce the vlan in vlandia as vlan rather than vlan

Fian is not a fair comparison since noble line archer vs regular crossbow. And the Sharpshooter is the best crossbow unit having better accuracy vs fast targets and able to contribute to a shield wall once out of ammo. Banner Knight vs Cataphract is definitely arguable. Banner Knights are overall better vs other cav and doing damage while Cataphracts will perform better as disrupting archers and surviving. Voulgiers will karate chop Veteran Falxmen so not sure the reasoning for Falxmen being better. Legionarys are overall better than Sergeants except Sergeants have the longer spear vs cavalry.

@@VisibleNoises I saw a Falxman vs Voulgier video and the Voulgiers Lost. Same with Cataphracts V.S. Banner Knights, Also the Cataphracts survivability is what makes them better. Banner Knights are expensive and It's a huge bummer when they just die in mass. Vlandia's best Infantry Unit is also the Banner Knights but they still lose to the Legionnaires. Crossbows are Overall Worse than Bows and the Vlandian Sharpshooters have less ammo than all other ranged units. I'm not sure what your point was here though.